tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 31, 2018 17:25:51 GMT 1, In defence of Graffiti Prints (albeit I donโt think they need to have one, since they have been doing a terrific job): the only (I think) p/p Iโve got from them (a Martin Whatson) is numbered on the COA as 1/1. Hence, I find it quite unlikely that they make tons of them... Besides, having A/Ps and P/Ps unnumbered is quite common. And thatโs ok as long as the source is reputable, and Graffiti Prints definitively is.
What pp image would that be ?
In defence of Graffiti Prints (albeit I donโt think they need to have one, since they have been doing a terrific job): the only (I think) p/p Iโve got from them (a Martin Whatson) is numbered on the COA as 1/1. Hence, I find it quite unlikely that they make tons of them... Besides, having A/Ps and P/Ps unnumbered is quite common. And thatโs ok as long as the source is reputable, and Graffiti Prints definitively is. What pp image would that be ?
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 31, 2018 17:44:47 GMT 1, Hey guys
GP, the solution is very simple. On the web site, add another subpage, add the item with detailed info like: artist name, production, amount of PP / APโs, main edition, special edition, private edition, anniversary edition, hand made edition etc..... Size info, paper type, printing style....... Also add how many of each edition are sold till date Problem solved
And for the complainers, if you have unsigned stuff, complains, proof it with pictures. Stop buying from releases to make quick money
This thread is going out of ......
Happy new year to all ๐พ๐ฅ๐ท๐ธ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ง๐
No timeout, but peace for now
Hey guys
GP, the solution is very simple. On the web site, add another subpage, add the item with detailed info like: artist name, production, amount of PP / APโs, main edition, special edition, private edition, anniversary edition, hand made edition etc..... Size info, paper type, printing style....... Also add how many of each edition are sold till date Problem solved
And for the complainers, if you have unsigned stuff, complains, proof it with pictures. Stop buying from releases to make quick money
This thread is going out of ......
Happy new year to all ๐พ๐ฅ๐ท๐ธ๐ผ๐ฐ๐ง๐
No timeout, but peace for now
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 17:53:59 GMT 1, Oh so now it's about trust. You call me a fool for trusting but now admit to trusting others.... ๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค Seems like you don't actually know what you are buying. Just another trusting collector. After posting that question 4-5 times, how great does it feel to write that response? Yes Id like to trust the artists/boutique that the number my numbered prints are telling the truth. Still doesn't take the fact away that we aren't given the exact amount of GP aps and pps.
So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you?
At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints.
Oh so now it's about trust. You call me a fool for trusting but now admit to trusting others.... ๐ค๐ค๐ค๐ค Seems like you don't actually know what you are buying. Just another trusting collector. After posting that question 4-5 times, how great does it feel to write that response? Yes Id like to trust the artists/boutique that the number my numbered prints are telling the truth. Still doesn't take the fact away that we aren't given the exact amount of GP aps and pps. So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints.
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 31, 2018 17:56:56 GMT 1, After posting that question 4-5 times, how great does it feel to write that response? Yes Id like to trust the artists/boutique that the number my numbered prints are telling the truth. Still doesn't take the fact away that we aren't given the exact amount of GP aps and pps. So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints.
Peace
After posting that question 4-5 times, how great does it feel to write that response? Yes Id like to trust the artists/boutique that the number my numbered prints are telling the truth. Still doesn't take the fact away that we aren't given the exact amount of GP aps and pps. So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints. Peace
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by bentheartfan on Dec 31, 2018 18:01:17 GMT 1, Every AP I have on my walls, which are I believe all bought directly from artists, are unnumbered, but have AP on them. I don't think the artists are lacking integrity, it just is what it is.
Every AP I have on my walls, which are I believe all bought directly from artists, are unnumbered, but have AP on them. I don't think the artists are lacking integrity, it just is what it is.
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 31, 2018 18:01:35 GMT 1, Every AP I have on my walls, which are I believe all bought directly from artists, are unnumbered, but have AP on them. I don't think the artists are lacking integrity, it just is what it is.
Peace
Every AP I have on my walls, which are I believe all bought directly from artists, are unnumbered, but have AP on them. I don't think the artists are lacking integrity, it just is what it is. Peace
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ransacked99
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Dec 31, 2018 18:18:42 GMT 1, After posting that question 4-5 times, how great does it feel to write that response? Yes Id like to trust the artists/boutique that the number my numbered prints are telling the truth. Still doesn't take the fact away that we aren't given the exact amount of GP aps and pps. So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints.
No I personally have not seen any artist I collect sell unnumbered prints. If they did, I would question it as well. We went through this for 5 pages. And no we don't have a max number from GP so not sure why you keep thinking that. Judging by Snik and GP's responses, they don't even know what the number is due to overages and damaged prints. How about this? Maybe let me make this simple for you because too many words is probably confusing you. How many in that "max number" are aps and pps? Exact numbers in that "max number".
After posting that question 4-5 times, how great does it feel to write that response? Yes Id like to trust the artists/boutique that the number my numbered prints are telling the truth. Still doesn't take the fact away that we aren't given the exact amount of GP aps and pps. So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints. No I personally have not seen any artist I collect sell unnumbered prints. If they did, I would question it as well. We went through this for 5 pages. And no we don't have a max number from GP so not sure why you keep thinking that. Judging by Snik and GP's responses, they don't even know what the number is due to overages and damaged prints. How about this? Maybe let me make this simple for you because too many words is probably confusing you. How many in that "max number" are aps and pps? Exact numbers in that "max number".
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 31, 2018 18:31:41 GMT 1, So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints. No I personally have not seen any artist I collect sell unnumbered prints. If they did, I would question it as well. We went through this for 5 pages. And no we don't have a max number from GP so not sure why you keep thinking that. Judging by Snik and GP's responses, they don't even know what the number is due to overages and damaged prints. How about this? Maybe let me make this simple for you because too many words is probably confusing you. How many in that "max number" are aps and pps? Exact numbers in that "max number".
Peace (English)
So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints. No I personally have not seen any artist I collect sell unnumbered prints. If they did, I would question it as well. We went through this for 5 pages. And no we don't have a max number from GP so not sure why you keep thinking that. Judging by Snik and GP's responses, they don't even know what the number is due to overages and damaged prints. How about this? Maybe let me make this simple for you because too many words is probably confusing you. How many in that "max number" are aps and pps? Exact numbers in that "max number". Peace (English)
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 31, 2018 18:43:00 GMT 1, All would seem a bit odd to the average buyer debating about edition numbers , some people rely on an exact numbers rather than just relying on word of mouth you can't quibble with stone facts .
When buying prints Some people make a fuss if a print is left in its original tube too long Some it is an issue to sell a print framed with out seeing the back What Backboard materials made off? Slight Ripples in prints? Slightly dinged corners ? If COa is present ? Tape marks on backs off prints ? Is it numbered as it's a edition %!of a main run but yet unnumbered All of the above can be seen as valid yet some see as nonsense and others it makes no difference , Each person has their own criteria to meet when buying Issue here is at the price point prints are now released ยฃ1000-ยฃ2000 it is a very valid question to ask , If released at ยฃ50-ยฃ200 an issue would not arise , Think about if you collect every release as some people do , that's ยฃ5k gbp easily over a year or two and some will want confirmation rather than seeing their assets worthless later on, others that just buy the odd print would not care less All reputable galleries and artists number also to safeguard for themselves . And at the prices now , no one is buying to make a quick buck , they go to genuine fans that have missed out and like the security of purchasing from source rather than eBay. Check eBay completed sales , very sporadic sales and most go unsold.
All would seem a bit odd to the average buyer debating about edition numbers , some people rely on an exact numbers rather than just relying on word of mouth you can't quibble with stone facts .
When buying prints Some people make a fuss if a print is left in its original tube too long Some it is an issue to sell a print framed with out seeing the back What Backboard materials made off? Slight Ripples in prints? Slightly dinged corners ? If COa is present ? Tape marks on backs off prints ? Is it numbered as it's a edition %!of a main run but yet unnumbered All of the above can be seen as valid yet some see as nonsense and others it makes no difference , Each person has their own criteria to meet when buying Issue here is at the price point prints are now released ยฃ1000-ยฃ2000 it is a very valid question to ask , If released at ยฃ50-ยฃ200 an issue would not arise , Think about if you collect every release as some people do , that's ยฃ5k gbp easily over a year or two and some will want confirmation rather than seeing their assets worthless later on, others that just buy the odd print would not care less All reputable galleries and artists number also to safeguard for themselves . And at the prices now , no one is buying to make a quick buck , they go to genuine fans that have missed out and like the security of purchasing from source rather than eBay. Check eBay completed sales , very sporadic sales and most go unsold.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 18:44:58 GMT 1, So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints. No I personally have not seen any artist I collect sell unnumbered prints. If they did, I would question it as well. We went through this for 5 pages. And no we don't have a max number from GP so not sure why you keep thinking that. Judging by Snik and GP's responses, they don't even know what the number is due to overages and damaged prints. How about this? Maybe let me make this simple for you because too many words is probably confusing you. How many in that "max number" are aps and pps? Exact numbers in that "max number".
Just cause you haven't seen it or they haven't been sold yet doesn't mean they don't exist. Standard practice would assume their are left over ones for potential damaged editions.
With your concern I don't see how you haven't gotten clarification on that.
GP stated max 10% didn't they?
So you have no proof your trusted botiques don't have unnumbered ones laying around do you? At least in GPs case we know the max number. You can't say that about your prints. No I personally have not seen any artist I collect sell unnumbered prints. If they did, I would question it as well. We went through this for 5 pages. And no we don't have a max number from GP so not sure why you keep thinking that. Judging by Snik and GP's responses, they don't even know what the number is due to overages and damaged prints. How about this? Maybe let me make this simple for you because too many words is probably confusing you. How many in that "max number" are aps and pps? Exact numbers in that "max number". Just cause you haven't seen it or they haven't been sold yet doesn't mean they don't exist. Standard practice would assume their are left over ones for potential damaged editions. With your concern I don't see how you haven't gotten clarification on that. GP stated max 10% didn't they?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 31, 2018 18:45:43 GMT 1, All would seem a bit odd to the average buyer debating about edition numbers , some people rely on an exact numbers rather than just relying on word of mouth you can't quibble with stone facts . When buying prints Some people make a fuss if a print is left in its original tube too long Some it is an issue to sell a print framed with out seeing the back What Backboard materials made off? Slight Ripples in prints? Slightly dinged corners ? If COa is present ? Tape marks on backs off prints ? Is it numbered as it's a edition %!of a main run but yet unnumbered All of the above can be seen as valid yet some see as nonsense and others it makes no difference , Each person has their own criteria to meet when buying Issue here is at the price point prints are now released ยฃ1000-ยฃ2000 it is a very valid question to ask , If released at ยฃ50-ยฃ200 an issue would not arise , Think about if you collect every release as some people do , that's ยฃ5k gbp easily over a year or two and some will want confirmation rather than seeing their assets worthless later on, others that just buy the odd print would not care less All reputable galleries and artists number also to safeguard for themselves . And at the prices now , no one is buying to make a quick buck , they go to genuine fans that have missed out and like the security of purchasing from source rather than eBay. Check eBay completed sales , very sporadic sales and most go unsold.
Stone facts? No.
You have edition size facts sure. But you have no idea if any others exist. That's a fact
All would seem a bit odd to the average buyer debating about edition numbers , some people rely on an exact numbers rather than just relying on word of mouth you can't quibble with stone facts . When buying prints Some people make a fuss if a print is left in its original tube too long Some it is an issue to sell a print framed with out seeing the back What Backboard materials made off? Slight Ripples in prints? Slightly dinged corners ? If COa is present ? Tape marks on backs off prints ? Is it numbered as it's a edition %!of a main run but yet unnumbered All of the above can be seen as valid yet some see as nonsense and others it makes no difference , Each person has their own criteria to meet when buying Issue here is at the price point prints are now released ยฃ1000-ยฃ2000 it is a very valid question to ask , If released at ยฃ50-ยฃ200 an issue would not arise , Think about if you collect every release as some people do , that's ยฃ5k gbp easily over a year or two and some will want confirmation rather than seeing their assets worthless later on, others that just buy the odd print would not care less All reputable galleries and artists number also to safeguard for themselves . And at the prices now , no one is buying to make a quick buck , they go to genuine fans that have missed out and like the security of purchasing from source rather than eBay. Check eBay completed sales , very sporadic sales and most go unsold. Stone facts? No. You have edition size facts sure. But you have no idea if any others exist. That's a fact
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 31, 2018 18:50:28 GMT 1, All would seem a bit odd to the average buyer debating about edition numbers , some people rely on an exact numbers rather than just relying on word of mouth you can't quibble with stone facts . When buying prints Some people make a fuss if a print is left in its original tube too long Some it is an issue to sell a print framed with out seeing the back What Backboard materials made off? Slight Ripples in prints? Slightly dinged corners ? If COa is present ? Tape marks on backs off prints ? Is it numbered as it's a edition %!of a main run but yet unnumbered All of the above can be seen as valid yet some see as nonsense and others it makes no difference , Each person has their own criteria to meet when buying Issue here is at the price point prints are now released ยฃ1000-ยฃ2000 it is a very valid question to ask , If released at ยฃ50-ยฃ200 an issue would not arise , Think about if you collect every release as some people do , that's ยฃ5k gbp easily over a year or two and some will want confirmation rather than seeing their assets worthless later on, others that just buy the odd print would not care less All reputable galleries and artists number also to safeguard for themselves . And at the prices now , no one is buying to make a quick buck , they go to genuine fans that have missed out and like the security of purchasing from source rather than eBay. Check eBay completed sales , very sporadic sales and most go unsold. Stone facts? No. You have edition size facts sure. But you have no idea if any others exist. That's a fact
Peace Fred (Peace in Danish, Norwegian, Swedish) Frieden (Peace in German) Rauha (Peace in Finish) Aman ( Peace in Urdu) Shanti (Peace in Hindi) Salam ( Peace in Arabic)
All would seem a bit odd to the average buyer debating about edition numbers , some people rely on an exact numbers rather than just relying on word of mouth you can't quibble with stone facts . When buying prints Some people make a fuss if a print is left in its original tube too long Some it is an issue to sell a print framed with out seeing the back What Backboard materials made off? Slight Ripples in prints? Slightly dinged corners ? If COa is present ? Tape marks on backs off prints ? Is it numbered as it's a edition %!of a main run but yet unnumbered All of the above can be seen as valid yet some see as nonsense and others it makes no difference , Each person has their own criteria to meet when buying Issue here is at the price point prints are now released ยฃ1000-ยฃ2000 it is a very valid question to ask , If released at ยฃ50-ยฃ200 an issue would not arise , Think about if you collect every release as some people do , that's ยฃ5k gbp easily over a year or two and some will want confirmation rather than seeing their assets worthless later on, others that just buy the odd print would not care less All reputable galleries and artists number also to safeguard for themselves . And at the prices now , no one is buying to make a quick buck , they go to genuine fans that have missed out and like the security of purchasing from source rather than eBay. Check eBay completed sales , very sporadic sales and most go unsold. Stone facts? No. You have edition size facts sure. But you have no idea if any others exist. That's a fact Peace Fred (Peace in Danish, Norwegian, Swedish) Frieden (Peace in German) Rauha (Peace in Finish) Aman ( Peace in Urdu) Shanti (Peace in Hindi) Salam ( Peace in Arabic)
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by printminx on Dec 31, 2018 19:00:45 GMT 1, Every AP I have on my walls, which are I believe all bought directly from artists, are unnumbered, but have AP on them. I don't think the artists are lacking integrity, it just is what it is. Hi I am a fine art printmaker and I was always taught that only the edition of a print is numbered. The number of Artist Proofs should be no more than 10% of the total number of the edition and are not part of the edition. Artist proofs are supposed to be the prints leading up to the final edition version and would generally be in other colours or finishes and would each be a unique print and not numbered. As for spares of the edition to cover any damaged ones, then once the edition has been sold and all copies delivered safely the spares along with the printers proof should be destroyed as they are not part of the edition or the artists proofs. Some artists may keep these for their own records but there is no way that they should have more importance than the official print edition or artist proofs. I know rules are made to be broken but it just causes confusion and resentment and all the arguing that's been going on in this thread with the issue still being unresolved. Happy New Year to all, give a little love!!
Every AP I have on my walls, which are I believe all bought directly from artists, are unnumbered, but have AP on them. I don't think the artists are lacking integrity, it just is what it is. Hi I am a fine art printmaker and I was always taught that only the edition of a print is numbered. The number of Artist Proofs should be no more than 10% of the total number of the edition and are not part of the edition. Artist proofs are supposed to be the prints leading up to the final edition version and would generally be in other colours or finishes and would each be a unique print and not numbered. As for spares of the edition to cover any damaged ones, then once the edition has been sold and all copies delivered safely the spares along with the printers proof should be destroyed as they are not part of the edition or the artists proofs. Some artists may keep these for their own records but there is no way that they should have more importance than the official print edition or artist proofs. I know rules are made to be broken but it just causes confusion and resentment and all the arguing that's been going on in this thread with the issue still being unresolved. Happy New Year to all, give a little love!!
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 31, 2018 19:07:03 GMT 1, Words other than โPeaceโ or non silence on this thread will be replied with Peace
Words other than โPeaceโ or non silence on this thread will be replied with Peace
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 31, 2018 19:17:42 GMT 1, All would seem a bit odd to the average buyer debating about edition numbers , some people rely on an exact numbers rather than just relying on word of mouth you can't quibble with stone facts . When buying prints Some people make a fuss if a print is left in its original tube too long Some it is an issue to sell a print framed with out seeing the back What Backboard materials made off? Slight Ripples in prints? Slightly dinged corners ? If COa is present ? Tape marks on backs off prints ? Is it numbered as it's a edition %!of a main run but yet unnumbered All of the above can be seen as valid yet some see as nonsense and others it makes no difference , Each person has their own criteria to meet when buying Issue here is at the price point prints are now released ยฃ1000-ยฃ2000 it is a very valid question to ask , If released at ยฃ50-ยฃ200 an issue would not arise , Think about if you collect every release as some people do , that's ยฃ5k gbp easily over a year or two and some will want confirmation rather than seeing their assets worthless later on, others that just buy the odd print would not care less All reputable galleries and artists number also to safeguard for themselves . And at the prices now , no one is buying to make a quick buck , they go to genuine fans that have missed out and like the security of purchasing from source rather than eBay. Check eBay completed sales , very sporadic sales and most go unsold. Stone facts? No. You have edition size facts sure. But you have no idea if any others exist. That's a fact ๐คทโโ๏ธ๐ด
All would seem a bit odd to the average buyer debating about edition numbers , some people rely on an exact numbers rather than just relying on word of mouth you can't quibble with stone facts . When buying prints Some people make a fuss if a print is left in its original tube too long Some it is an issue to sell a print framed with out seeing the back What Backboard materials made off? Slight Ripples in prints? Slightly dinged corners ? If COa is present ? Tape marks on backs off prints ? Is it numbered as it's a edition %!of a main run but yet unnumbered All of the above can be seen as valid yet some see as nonsense and others it makes no difference , Each person has their own criteria to meet when buying Issue here is at the price point prints are now released ยฃ1000-ยฃ2000 it is a very valid question to ask , If released at ยฃ50-ยฃ200 an issue would not arise , Think about if you collect every release as some people do , that's ยฃ5k gbp easily over a year or two and some will want confirmation rather than seeing their assets worthless later on, others that just buy the odd print would not care less All reputable galleries and artists number also to safeguard for themselves . And at the prices now , no one is buying to make a quick buck , they go to genuine fans that have missed out and like the security of purchasing from source rather than eBay. Check eBay completed sales , very sporadic sales and most go unsold. Stone facts? No. You have edition size facts sure. But you have no idea if any others exist. That's a fact ๐คทโโ๏ธ๐ด
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 31, 2018 19:19:16 GMT 1, Stone facts? No. You have edition size facts sure. But you have no idea if any others exist. That's a fact ๐คทโโ๏ธ๐ด
Peace
Stone facts? No. You have edition size facts sure. But you have no idea if any others exist. That's a fact ๐คทโโ๏ธ๐ด Peace
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tab1
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 31, 2018 19:23:01 GMT 1, Every AP I have on my walls, which are I believe all bought directly from artists, are unnumbered, but have AP on them. I don't think the artists are lacking integrity, it just is what it is. Hi I am a fine art printmaker and I was always taught that only the edition of a print is numbered. ย The number of Artist Proofs should be no more than 10% of the total number of the edition and are not part of the edition. Artist proofs are supposed to be the prints leading up to the final edition version and would generally be in other colours or finishes and would each be a unique print and not numbered. As for spares of the edition to cover any damaged ones, then once the edition has been sold and all copies delivered safely the spares along with the printers proof should be destroyed as they are not part of the edition or the artists proofs. Some artists may keep these for their own records but there is no way that they should have more importance than the official print edition or artist proofs. I know rules are made to be broken but it just causes confusion and resentment and all the arguing that's been going on in this thread with the issue still being unresolved. Happy New Year to all, give a little love!!
That would be like throwing money down the drain!
Every AP I have on my walls, which are I believe all bought directly from artists, are unnumbered, but have AP on them. I don't think the artists are lacking integrity, it just is what it is. Hi I am a fine art printmaker and I was always taught that only the edition of a print is numbered. ย The number of Artist Proofs should be no more than 10% of the total number of the edition and are not part of the edition. Artist proofs are supposed to be the prints leading up to the final edition version and would generally be in other colours or finishes and would each be a unique print and not numbered. As for spares of the edition to cover any damaged ones, then once the edition has been sold and all copies delivered safely the spares along with the printers proof should be destroyed as they are not part of the edition or the artists proofs. Some artists may keep these for their own records but there is no way that they should have more importance than the official print edition or artist proofs. I know rules are made to be broken but it just causes confusion and resentment and all the arguing that's been going on in this thread with the issue still being unresolved. Happy New Year to all, give a little love!! That would be like throwing money down the drain!
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desperado
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Dec 31, 2018 19:23:40 GMT 1, Hi I am a fine art printmaker and I was always taught that only the edition of a print is numbered. ย The number of Artist Proofs should be no more than 10% of the total number of the edition and are not part of the edition. Artist proofs are supposed to be the prints leading up to the final edition version and would generally be in other colours or finishes and would each be a unique print and not numbered. As for spares of the edition to cover any damaged ones, then once the edition has been sold and all copies delivered safely the spares along with the printers proof should be destroyed as they are not part of the edition or the artists proofs. Some artists may keep these for their own records but there is no way that they should have more importance than the official print edition or artist proofs. I know rules are made to be broken but it just causes confusion and resentment and all the arguing that's been going on in this thread with the issue still being unresolved. Happy New Year to all, give a little love!! That would be like throwing money down the drain!
Peace
Hi I am a fine art printmaker and I was always taught that only the edition of a print is numbered. ย The number of Artist Proofs should be no more than 10% of the total number of the edition and are not part of the edition. Artist proofs are supposed to be the prints leading up to the final edition version and would generally be in other colours or finishes and would each be a unique print and not numbered. As for spares of the edition to cover any damaged ones, then once the edition has been sold and all copies delivered safely the spares along with the printers proof should be destroyed as they are not part of the edition or the artists proofs. Some artists may keep these for their own records but there is no way that they should have more importance than the official print edition or artist proofs. I know rules are made to be broken but it just causes confusion and resentment and all the arguing that's been going on in this thread with the issue still being unresolved. Happy New Year to all, give a little love!! That would be like throwing money down the drain! Peace
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Dec 31, 2018 19:26:45 GMT 1, That would be like throwing money down the drain! Peace
Hey your cheating to get posts count up๐๐๐ฌ
That would be like throwing money down the drain! Peace Hey your cheating to get posts count up๐๐๐ฌ
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by .dappy on Dec 31, 2018 19:32:31 GMT 1, ... I think everybody has had their say at least seven times each in this thread ...
... and as it's New Year's Eve and everybody should be watching: Graham Norton / Jools Holland / Jane McDonald / Game of Thrones boxset / HBO / etc ... delete as necessary ...
I'm going to lock this thread for a little while ... to give everybody a rest ...
... I think everybody has had their say at least seven times each in this thread ...
... and as it's New Year's Eve and everybody should be watching: Graham Norton / Jools Holland / Jane McDonald / Game of Thrones boxset / HBO / etc ... delete as necessary ...
I'm going to lock this thread for a little while ... to give everybody a rest ...
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by thomasmer on Jan 6, 2019 13:58:13 GMT 1, Why wouldn't you number APs PPs ?
Why wouldn't you number APs PPs ?
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by ransacked99 on Jan 6, 2019 15:21:44 GMT 1, Why wouldn't you number APs PPs ?
Listen, I understand GP has its loyal followers and they can do no wrong in their eyes. As you can see from my original post, I have my own assumptions and issues with them all revolving around the AP and PP numbering situation plus a couple other stories I've heard When selling prints to a limited market, there should be a fixed number you're selling. Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen, not sold during a public sale for market value. If GP wants to come In here and give us exact numbers, it would solve all of this. But he won't because to me he doesn't even know himself.
Why wouldn't you number APs PPs ? Listen, I understand GP has its loyal followers and they can do no wrong in their eyes. As you can see from my original post, I have my own assumptions and issues with them all revolving around the AP and PP numbering situation plus a couple other stories I've heard When selling prints to a limited market, there should be a fixed number you're selling. Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen, not sold during a public sale for market value. If GP wants to come In here and give us exact numbers, it would solve all of this. But he won't because to me he doesn't even know himself.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Jan 6, 2019 15:24:20 GMT 1, Hey your cheating to get posts count up๐๐๐ฌ
Yes iโm getting even more. After making peace Iโll ask admin on UA to reset it to 0
My introduction into urban / street art was Fight club from CH that Iโve never get chance to own because things like this.
Peace
Hey your cheating to get posts count up๐๐๐ฌ Yes iโm getting even more. After making peace Iโll ask admin on UA to reset it to 0 My introduction into urban / street art was Fight club from CH that Iโve never get chance to own because things like this. Peace
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Dexter Bulldog on Jan 6, 2019 15:24:38 GMT 1, Thereโs two things I canโt figure out this morning Why dappy reopened this thread to start the same cycle And why do I keep reading this soap opera
Thereโs two things I canโt figure out this morning Why dappy reopened this thread to start the same cycle And why do I keep reading this soap opera
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Masong on Jan 6, 2019 15:28:35 GMT 1, Thereโs two things I canโt figure out this morning Why dappy reopened this thread to start the same cycle And why do I keep reading this soap opera
I was thinking exactly the same thing except I had third. Why does tab1 keep digging out old threads
Thereโs two things I canโt figure out this morning Why dappy reopened this thread to start the same cycle And why do I keep reading this soap opera I was thinking exactly the same thing except I had third. Why does tab1 keep digging out old threads
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by tab1 on Jan 6, 2019 15:42:33 GMT 1, Thereโs two things I canโt figure out this morning Why dappy reopened this thread to start the same cycle And why do I keep reading this soap opera I was thinking exactly the same thing except I had third. Why does tab1 keep digging out old threads
Boredom on a Sunday Just to show not an issue adding edition numbers as own in house artists did so before joining , as a few keep asking? 8 separate threads discussing the same from many others , Note it's random other threads with no relation that I dig up too
Thereโs two things I canโt figure out this morning Why dappy reopened this thread to start the same cycle And why do I keep reading this soap opera I was thinking exactly the same thing except I had third. Why does tab1 keep digging out old threads Boredom on a Sunday Just to show not an issue adding edition numbers as own in house artists did so before joining , as a few keep asking? 8 separate threads discussing the same from many others , Note it's random other threads with no relation that I dig up too
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 15:43:56 GMT 1, Thereโs two things I canโt figure out this morning Why dappy reopened this thread to start the same cycle And why do I keep reading this soap opera I was thinking exactly the same thing except I had third. Why does tab1 keep digging out old threads i had a 4th thought, the darts is back on but itโs only the BDO so happy to miss 26 after 26 after 26 and each leg finishing on double 1.
Thereโs two things I canโt figure out this morning Why dappy reopened this thread to start the same cycle And why do I keep reading this soap opera I was thinking exactly the same thing except I had third. Why does tab1 keep digging out old threads i had a 4th thought, the darts is back on but itโs only the BDO so happy to miss 26 after 26 after 26 and each leg finishing on double 1.
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by desperado on Jan 6, 2019 15:50:12 GMT 1, Peace
Peace
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Graffiti Prints archive vaults open today, by nighthawk on Jan 6, 2019 16:00:33 GMT 1, Why wouldn't you number APs PPs ? Listen, I understand GP has its loyal followers and they can do no wrong in their eyes. As you can see from my original post, I have my own assumptions and issues with them all revolving around the AP and PP numbering situation plus a couple other stories I've heard When selling prints to a limited market, there should be a fixed number you're selling. Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen, not sold during a public sale for market value. If GP wants to come In here and give us exact numbers, it would solve all of this. But he won't because to me he doesn't even know himself.
This comment you just made is beyond wrong: "Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen"
For the love of God, did you not take grade 5 Math as a kid? 10% (of whatever the run is) is a fixed number!! So if the run is 175, you can count on up to 17.5 AP's and PP's. Get it? Maybe they print 5 PP's and 12 AP's. Every print run is different, so the number of AP's and PP's will change. They would naturally keep most for damage replacements etc, and then decide what to do with the rest. So in this case, they do a "vault" sale, and sell them.
And yes, some printmakers # their AP's and PP's, but from what I've seen MOST actually don't! I have a ton of AP prints marked "AP" only. So GP isn't doing anything wrong here either (IMO).
Maybe time to give it a rest fellas?!
Why wouldn't you number APs PPs ? Listen, I understand GP has its loyal followers and they can do no wrong in their eyes. As you can see from my original post, I have my own assumptions and issues with them all revolving around the AP and PP numbering situation plus a couple other stories I've heard When selling prints to a limited market, there should be a fixed number you're selling. Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen, not sold during a public sale for market value. If GP wants to come In here and give us exact numbers, it would solve all of this. But he won't because to me he doesn't even know himself. This comment you just made is beyond wrong: "Saying there are "10% APs and PPs" isn't a fixed number. How many aps and how many pps? That's my question and an answer I'm not getting from anyone. Other artists do sell aps and pps unnumbered as proven by a few posts but it's not many and from what I've seen" For the love of God, did you not take grade 5 Math as a kid? 10% (of whatever the run is) is a fixed number!! So if the run is 175, you can count on up to 17.5 AP's and PP's. Get it? Maybe they print 5 PP's and 12 AP's. Every print run is different, so the number of AP's and PP's will change. They would naturally keep most for damage replacements etc, and then decide what to do with the rest. So in this case, they do a "vault" sale, and sell them. And yes, some printmakers # their AP's and PP's, but from what I've seen MOST actually don't! I have a ton of AP prints marked "AP" only. So GP isn't doing anything wrong here either (IMO). Maybe time to give it a rest fellas?!
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