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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by tartarus on May 8, 2017 11:57:06 GMT 1, You do realise brexit hasn't actually happened yet and a general election has just been called that this is a central issue within? Yes? This sounds like an excuse. The subject has been done over and Over and over again. Like I said it's a nice image it's just a little late.
You do realise brexit hasn't actually happened yet and a general election has just been called that this is a central issue within? Yes? This sounds like an excuse. The subject has been done over and Over and over again. Like I said it's a nice image it's just a little late. Dont you think it might be more about the way chairman May is going to smash us out of Europe? That has become way more obvious as we go along, so maybe thats why the star is getting smashed rather than just removed. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Rouen Cathedral on May 8, 2017 11:58:38 GMT 1, This sounds like an excuse. The subject has been done over and Over and over again. Like I said it's a nice image it's just a little late. Dont you think it might be more about the way chairman May is going to smash us out of Europe? That has become way more obvious as we go along, so maybe thats why the star is getting smashed rather than just removed.
Maybe. Does that make the work more current? Slightly. Does it change the fact that the topic has been worked over and over again? Nope.
This sounds like an excuse. The subject has been done over and Over and over again. Like I said it's a nice image it's just a little late. Dont you think it might be more about the way chairman May is going to smash us out of Europe? That has become way more obvious as we go along, so maybe thats why the star is getting smashed rather than just removed. Maybe. Does that make the work more current? Slightly. Does it change the fact that the topic has been worked over and over again? Nope. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by milo99 on May 8, 2017 11:59:14 GMT 1, You do realise brexit hasn't actually happened yet and a general election has just been called that this is a central issue within? Yes? This sounds like an excuse. The subject has been done over and Over and over again. Like I said it's a nice image it's just a little late.
Art doesn't need an excuse
You do realise brexit hasn't actually happened yet and a general election has just been called that this is a central issue within? Yes? This sounds like an excuse. The subject has been done over and Over and over again. Like I said it's a nice image it's just a little late. Art doesn't need an excuse |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by avec art on May 8, 2017 12:01:53 GMT 1, The issue is pertinent to the future of Britain. Even if the result is a forgone conclusion, there is the option of tactical voting to potentially influence whether we have a hard or soft brexit.
The issue is pertinent to the future of Britain. Even if the result is a forgone conclusion, there is the option of tactical voting to potentially influence whether we have a hard or soft brexit.
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by tartarus on May 8, 2017 12:04:14 GMT 1, Dont you think it might be more about the way chairman May is going to smash us out of Europe? That has become way more obvious as we go along, so maybe thats why the star is getting smashed rather than just removed. Maybe. Does that make the work more current? Slightly. Does it change the fact that the topic has been worked over and over again? Nope.
as for over and over again, strong and stable!!!!
Dont you think it might be more about the way chairman May is going to smash us out of Europe? That has become way more obvious as we go along, so maybe thats why the star is getting smashed rather than just removed. Maybe. Does that make the work more current? Slightly. Does it change the fact that the topic has been worked over and over again? Nope. Maybe he wanted to have his say, thats what painting on walls is about for some. I dont really get why you think its an issue to use the subject. Its as current as it gets, its really important and its important to the election too. as for over and over again, strong and stable!!!! |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Rouen Cathedral on May 8, 2017 12:10:20 GMT 1, Maybe. Does that make the work more current? Slightly. Does it change the fact that the topic has been worked over and over again? Nope. Maybe he wanted to have his say, thats what painting on walls is about for some. I dont really get why you think its an issue to use the subject. Its as current as it gets, its really important and its important to the election too. as for over and over again, strong and stable!!!!
Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired.
Like I said I like the image.
Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius.
Maybe. Does that make the work more current? Slightly. Does it change the fact that the topic has been worked over and over again? Nope. Maybe he wanted to have his say, thats what painting on walls is about for some. I dont really get why you think its an issue to use the subject. Its as current as it gets, its really important and its important to the election too. as for over and over again, strong and stable!!!! Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Deleted on May 8, 2017 12:14:16 GMT 1, 
www.voxeurop.eu/en/content/news-brief/4931129-brexit-would-put-europe-stake
An interesting article worth reading about Brexit.
The mural in Dover or wherever it is in UK would have worked very well if it was painted in Brussels. As The Brexit mob in UK would just buff the EU flag with all it's stars completely.
Actually the Brexit mob in England is truer as Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to remain in the EU.
As for a better brexit Britain. All the pro Brexit propaganda and lies and playing with words double speak achieved is to divide the UK for decades to come and not so much isolate UK in any financial way as the wealthy will always be OK and foreign money will own the most profitable parts of the UK anyway. Leaving the low paid and low income self employed fighting for the crumbs left behind by the likes of Farages rich parasitic backers etc.
www.voxeurop.eu/en/content/news-brief/4931129-brexit-would-put-europe-stake An interesting article worth reading about Brexit. The mural in Dover or wherever it is in UK would have worked very well if it was painted in Brussels. As The Brexit mob in UK would just buff the EU flag with all it's stars completely. Actually the Brexit mob in England is truer as Northern Ireland and Scotland voted to remain in the EU. As for a better brexit Britain. All the pro Brexit propaganda and lies and playing with words double speak achieved is to divide the UK for decades to come and not so much isolate UK in any financial way as the wealthy will always be OK and foreign money will own the most profitable parts of the UK anyway. Leaving the low paid and low income self employed fighting for the crumbs left behind by the likes of Farages rich parasitic backers etc.
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by cyberkid on May 8, 2017 12:15:32 GMT 1, the size, the location, the cracks...a brilliant work from banksy !
the size, the location, the cracks...a brilliant work from banksy !
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Lroy on May 8, 2017 12:20:03 GMT 1, the size, the location, the cracks...a brilliant work from banksy !
i agree , the more I see it the most I like it !
the size, the location, the cracks...a brilliant work from banksy ! i agree , the more I see it the most I like it ! |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by adewilliams on May 8, 2017 12:22:49 GMT 1, location obviously perfect but why a workman and why has he got a bucket? I sort of get it
location obviously perfect but why a workman and why has he got a bucket? I sort of get it
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by cyberkid on May 8, 2017 12:23:15 GMT 1, the size, the location, the cracks...a brilliant work from banksy ! i agree , the more I see it the most I like it !
btw, congrats to france !
not sure if macron is a good one, but for sure better than lepen !
the size, the location, the cracks...a brilliant work from banksy ! i agree , the more I see it the most I like it ! btw, congrats to france ! not sure if macron is a good one, but for sure better than lepen ! |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by tartarus on May 8, 2017 12:24:17 GMT 1, Maybe he wanted to have his say, thats what painting on walls is about for some. I dont really get why you think its an issue to use the subject. Its as current as it gets, its really important and its important to the election too. as for over and over again, strong and stable!!!! Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius.
Maybe he wanted to have his say, thats what painting on walls is about for some. I dont really get why you think its an issue to use the subject. Its as current as it gets, its really important and its important to the election too. as for over and over again, strong and stable!!!! Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius. but it isnt a double standard, if its you thats missing the point of the piece. Not saying you are, but it could be why you dont get that its relevant if that is the case. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Rouen Cathedral on May 8, 2017 12:59:25 GMT 1, Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius. but it isnt a double standard, if its you thats missing the point of the piece. Not saying you are, but it could be why you dont get that its relevant if that is the case.
How is it not a double standard?
Bambi paints a la la la trump parody gets the whole 'oh how original" or 'trump how original' blah blah blah it's junk and a junk topic.
Banksy paints a brexit mural and gets praise while hundreds of other artists have already done some rendition of the same work and topic.
I get banksy has a greater history and more success but should that matter on a new work when it's being viewed on its own merits.
Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius. but it isnt a double standard, if its you thats missing the point of the piece. Not saying you are, but it could be why you dont get that its relevant if that is the case. How is it not a double standard? Bambi paints a la la la trump parody gets the whole 'oh how original" or 'trump how original' blah blah blah it's junk and a junk topic. Banksy paints a brexit mural and gets praise while hundreds of other artists have already done some rendition of the same work and topic. I get banksy has a greater history and more success but should that matter on a new work when it's being viewed on its own merits. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Rouen Cathedral on May 8, 2017 13:03:54 GMT 1, location obviously perfect but why a workman and why has he got a bucket? I sort of get it
Why is there a bucket. recycled stencil?
location obviously perfect but why a workman and why has he got a bucket? I sort of get it Why is there a bucket. recycled stencil? |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by tartarus on May 8, 2017 13:07:35 GMT 1, but it isnt a double standard, if its you thats missing the point of the piece. Not saying you are, but it could be why you dont get that its relevant if that is the case. How is it not a double standard? Bambi paints a la la la trump parody gets the whole 'oh how original" or 'trump how original' blah blah blah it's junk and a junk topic. Banksy paints a brexit mural and gets praise while hundreds of other artists have already done some rendition of the same work and topic. I get banksy has a greater history and more success but should that matter on a new work when it's being viewed on its own merits.
but it isnt a double standard, if its you thats missing the point of the piece. Not saying you are, but it could be why you dont get that its relevant if that is the case. How is it not a double standard? Bambi paints a la la la trump parody gets the whole 'oh how original" or 'trump how original' blah blah blah it's junk and a junk topic. Banksy paints a brexit mural and gets praise while hundreds of other artists have already done some rendition of the same work and topic. I get banksy has a greater history and more success but should that matter on a new work when it's being viewed on its own merits. re read what i said. Im not going to get involved with someone playing Theresa May and swerving what has just been said and just repeating themselves. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Rouen Cathedral on May 8, 2017 13:18:04 GMT 1, How is it not a double standard? Bambi paints a la la la trump parody gets the whole 'oh how original" or 'trump how original' blah blah blah it's junk and a junk topic. Banksy paints a brexit mural and gets praise while hundreds of other artists have already done some rendition of the same work and topic. I get banksy has a greater history and more success but should that matter on a new work when it's being viewed on its own merits. re read what i said. Im not going to get involved with someone playing Theresa May and swerving what has just been said and just repeating themselves.
Even if your interpretation is correct it still doesn't make it much more relevant then any of the other 100 brexit works that occurred months ago.
But banksy is banksy I guess.
How is it not a double standard? Bambi paints a la la la trump parody gets the whole 'oh how original" or 'trump how original' blah blah blah it's junk and a junk topic. Banksy paints a brexit mural and gets praise while hundreds of other artists have already done some rendition of the same work and topic. I get banksy has a greater history and more success but should that matter on a new work when it's being viewed on its own merits. re read what i said. Im not going to get involved with someone playing Theresa May and swerving what has just been said and just repeating themselves. Even if your interpretation is correct it still doesn't make it much more relevant then any of the other 100 brexit works that occurred months ago. But banksy is banksy I guess. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by milo99 on May 8, 2017 13:41:12 GMT 1, Bucket to keep the tools in, keeping I old school. Not good to climb a ladder with hammer and chisel in hand
Bucket to keep the tools in, keeping I old school. Not good to climb a ladder with hammer and chisel in hand
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Coach on May 8, 2017 14:00:25 GMT 1, Maybe he wanted to have his say, thats what painting on walls is about for some. I dont really get why you think its an issue to use the subject. Its as current as it gets, its really important and its important to the election too. as for over and over again, strong and stable!!!! Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius.
Hang on. You posted a picture of a Banksy piece recently. Your point being that people like it only because it's Banksy.
Weren't the responses that it was a poor piece?
Maybe he wanted to have his say, thats what painting on walls is about for some. I dont really get why you think its an issue to use the subject. Its as current as it gets, its really important and its important to the election too. as for over and over again, strong and stable!!!! Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius. Hang on. You posted a picture of a Banksy piece recently. Your point being that people like it only because it's Banksy. Weren't the responses that it was a poor piece? |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Sturban Has Saggy Tits on May 8, 2017 14:22:36 GMT 1, Seriously Rouen Cathedral, your never ending digs at Banksy on this forum are getting very 'troll like'.
You are continually asking question after question as soon as there is anything positive posted about Banksy. It seems that the only answers you want to hear are the ones you believe to be correct.
Do you like Banksy? If not, why are you on a forum which began as the Banksy forum? I don't like Robbie Williams, but I wouldn't go to a Robbie Williams forum and try and tell people he is crap and that the Irish ginger bloke is better and writes better songs.
Discussions and opinons are good, but maybe ease off a little at all the hate for Banksy you seem to be throwing about.
Seriously Rouen Cathedral, your never ending digs at Banksy on this forum are getting very 'troll like'. You are continually asking question after question as soon as there is anything positive posted about Banksy. It seems that the only answers you want to hear are the ones you believe to be correct. Do you like Banksy? If not, why are you on a forum which began as the Banksy forum? I don't like Robbie Williams, but I wouldn't go to a Robbie Williams forum and try and tell people he is crap and that the Irish ginger bloke is better and writes better songs. Discussions and opinons are good, but maybe ease off a little at all the hate for Banksy you seem to be throwing about. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Rouen Cathedral on May 8, 2017 14:43:56 GMT 1, Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius. Hang on. You posted a picture of a Banksy piece recently. Your point being that people like it only because it's Banksy. Weren't the responses that it was a poor piece?
Not really. Maybe a couple people said it wasn't good. Which honestly it isn't.
Oh there's no issue. Just pointing out the double standard of how people view art and how if it's by banksy it's automatically relavant and great. If it's not then it's a lame tired. Like I said I like the image. Banksy's greatest work of art is how he manipulates the viewpoint of his fans. Now that's genius. Hang on. You posted a picture of a Banksy piece recently. Your point being that people like it only because it's Banksy. Weren't the responses that it was a poor piece? Not really. Maybe a couple people said it wasn't good. Which honestly it isn't. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Rouen Cathedral on May 8, 2017 14:44:44 GMT 1, Seriously Rouen Cathedral, your never ending digs at Banksy on this forum are getting very 'troll like'. You are continually asking question after question as soon as there is anything positive posted about Banksy. It seems that the only answers you want to hear are the ones you believe to be correct. Do you like Banksy? If not, why are you on a forum which began as the Banksy forum? I don't like Robbie Williams, but I wouldn't go to a Robbie Williams forum and try and tell people he is crap and that the Irish ginger bloke is better and writes better songs. Discussions and opinons are good, but maybe ease off a little at all the hate for Banksy you seem to be throwing about.
I'm only asking questions cause no one ever answers them. That's telling.
I like banksy. I do however think he is a little overrated. It is what it is though.
Seriously Rouen Cathedral, your never ending digs at Banksy on this forum are getting very 'troll like'. You are continually asking question after question as soon as there is anything positive posted about Banksy. It seems that the only answers you want to hear are the ones you believe to be correct. Do you like Banksy? If not, why are you on a forum which began as the Banksy forum? I don't like Robbie Williams, but I wouldn't go to a Robbie Williams forum and try and tell people he is crap and that the Irish ginger bloke is better and writes better songs. Discussions and opinons are good, but maybe ease off a little at all the hate for Banksy you seem to be throwing about. I'm only asking questions cause no one ever answers them. That's telling. I like banksy. I do however think he is a little overrated. It is what it is though. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Unica on May 8, 2017 14:48:59 GMT 1, re read what i said. Im not going to get involved with someone playing Theresa May and swerving what has just been said and just repeating themselves. Even if your interpretation is correct it still doesn't make it much more relevant then any of the other 100 brexit works that occurred months ago. But banksy is banksy I guess.
re read what i said. Im not going to get involved with someone playing Theresa May and swerving what has just been said and just repeating themselves. Even if your interpretation is correct it still doesn't make it much more relevant then any of the other 100 brexit works that occurred months ago. But banksy is banksy I guess. Just out of interest as I can't seem to find any other Brexit murals by noted artists, certainly not any that come close to this one. Can you let me know which artists have done them and where, so I can be better informed? |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by tartarus on May 8, 2017 14:50:09 GMT 1, Seriously Rouen Cathedral , your never ending digs at Banksy on this forum are getting very 'troll like'. You are continually asking question after question as soon as there is anything positive posted about Banksy. It seems that the only answers you want to hear are the ones you believe to be correct. Do you like Banksy? If not, why are you on a forum which began as the Banksy forum? I don't like Robbie Williams, but I wouldn't go to a Robbie Williams forum and try and tell people he is crap and that the Irish ginger bloke is better and writes better songs. Discussions and opinons are good, but maybe ease off a little at all the hate for Banksy you seem to be throwing about. I'm only asking questions cause no one ever answers them. That's telling. I like banksy. I do however think he is a little overrated. It is what it is though.
More like you never pay any attention to what anyone says and then ask the same question in some shrouded way.
Seriously Rouen Cathedral , your never ending digs at Banksy on this forum are getting very 'troll like'. You are continually asking question after question as soon as there is anything positive posted about Banksy. It seems that the only answers you want to hear are the ones you believe to be correct. Do you like Banksy? If not, why are you on a forum which began as the Banksy forum? I don't like Robbie Williams, but I wouldn't go to a Robbie Williams forum and try and tell people he is crap and that the Irish ginger bloke is better and writes better songs. Discussions and opinons are good, but maybe ease off a little at all the hate for Banksy you seem to be throwing about. I'm only asking questions cause no one ever answers them. That's telling. I like banksy. I do however think he is a little overrated. It is what it is though. No one ever answers your questions? Heard it all now!!! More like you never pay any attention to what anyone says and then ask the same question in some shrouded way. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Coach on May 8, 2017 14:57:43 GMT 1, Plonker.... its not even happened yet !! It kind of has though! Over the last few months Britain has not been invited to various EU leaders' events because we're inevitably leaving. My view is this is a pretty average piece that like so many other Banksy pieces would be buffed already if not for his celebrity. Comments above of this making a good print, bet no one would touch it if this was a Renne Gargon or similar.
Hey letiss, hope you are well.
The " you wouldn't like this if it weren't by Banksy" argument (apologies for the crass paraphrase) is one that is used often, and it's difficult to argue against, as it's hypothetical. So I can't say for certain what my reaction would be if I saw this without knowing it's by Banksy, just as you cannot know.
I like to think however, that if I see a piece by Banksy that I think is poor, I wouldn't fawn over it, and likewise, if this had been by Renne I would be applauding it. I like to think that my art appreciation is not quite so shallow.
There are people who are Banksy fans, who don't think this piece is that impressive. That's just fine. But the piece works for me. Perhaps because I have passionate feelings about brexit and Europe.
Plonker.... its not even happened yet !! It kind of has though! Over the last few months Britain has not been invited to various EU leaders' events because we're inevitably leaving. My view is this is a pretty average piece that like so many other Banksy pieces would be buffed already if not for his celebrity. Comments above of this making a good print, bet no one would touch it if this was a Renne Gargon or similar. Hey letiss, hope you are well. The " you wouldn't like this if it weren't by Banksy" argument (apologies for the crass paraphrase) is one that is used often, and it's difficult to argue against, as it's hypothetical. So I can't say for certain what my reaction would be if I saw this without knowing it's by Banksy, just as you cannot know. I like to think however, that if I see a piece by Banksy that I think is poor, I wouldn't fawn over it, and likewise, if this had been by Renne I would be applauding it. I like to think that my art appreciation is not quite so shallow. There are people who are Banksy fans, who don't think this piece is that impressive. That's just fine. But the piece works for me. Perhaps because I have passionate feelings about brexit and Europe. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Coach on May 8, 2017 14:58:36 GMT 1, Hang on. You posted a picture of a Banksy piece recently. Your point being that people like it only because it's Banksy. Weren't the responses that it was a poor piece? Not really. Maybe a couple people said it wasn't good. Which honestly it isn't.
I agree. It's certainly not one if his best.
But are we going to hold artists to such high account, that everything they produce has to be amazing?!
Hang on. You posted a picture of a Banksy piece recently. Your point being that people like it only because it's Banksy. Weren't the responses that it was a poor piece? Not really. Maybe a couple people said it wasn't good. Which honestly it isn't. I agree. It's certainly not one if his best. But are we going to hold artists to such high account, that everything they produce has to be amazing?! |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by sameoldthing on May 8, 2017 16:22:14 GMT 1, Great piece. It Could be saying vote LABOUR!
Great piece. It Could be saying vote LABOUR!
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Rouen Cathedral on May 8, 2017 16:36:09 GMT 1, Not really. Maybe a couple people said it wasn't good. Which honestly it isn't. I agree. It's certainly not one if his best. But are we going to hold artists to such high account, that everything they produce has to be amazing?!
Of course not. Like I said it's nice.
There's a difference between what you are saying and the natural tendency of many to say 'oh the new 'insert popular artist' is amazing without even giving it a second though and then turning around and doing the opposite for a lesser popular artist.
Not really. Maybe a couple people said it wasn't good. Which honestly it isn't. I agree. It's certainly not one if his best. But are we going to hold artists to such high account, that everything they produce has to be amazing?! Of course not. Like I said it's nice. There's a difference between what you are saying and the natural tendency of many to say 'oh the new 'insert popular artist' is amazing without even giving it a second though and then turning around and doing the opposite for a lesser popular artist. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by sleazus1slord on May 8, 2017 16:51:02 GMT 1, Awesome piece, huge scale and in great detail. Must have been a team of a least two or three to manage the large stencils, and a special lift platform. Scaffolding or a scissor lift wouldn't cut it for that height and width. Astonished at the criticism of the piece, and it's relevance in regard to timing. UK doesn't even officially leave the EU until 3/29/2019. There would have been no street pieces to offer commentary on any world issues had it not been for banksy. This entire forum probably wouldn't exist. The other artist's who were mentioned styles are completely derivative of the one B originated, so literally cannot be accused of copying them ever. He fathered this sub-genre, and he's still light years ahead in terms of skill and vision. Accuse your Dad of copying something you did. He'll be like "bitch, I made you" Look, Banksy is without a doubt my favorite living artist and will arguably be remembered as one of the worlds most influential artists, but are you really "astonished" by the negligible level of what I would hardly even call "criticism" on this thread? A few people mentioning the theme here has been attempted in various ways? It takes nothing away from the great new B piece and this thread has remained overwhelmingly positive from what I've read. No need to be overly dramatic about it all. Separately, I can't tell if you were being serious with your statement "There would have been no street pieces to offer commentary on any world issues had it not been for banksy"... 
Let's play a game, find all the artists on this forum who never wrote graffiti. I mean tags, bombing, throw ups, burners, stickers, markers, rail yard beat downs, the whole bit. What is inherently 'urban' about there work? Nothing. Banksy alone lends them the street credibility, so all that follow are grandfathered in. They don't need to earn any of their own stripes, if they can borrow some elements of his style. The observer assimilates these elements into the artists own story, giving them instant recognition as being authentically urban. Even though they went to art school on Daddy's dime and never spent a cold night on a high rooftop with icy rollers and frozen index fingers.
Awesome piece, huge scale and in great detail. Must have been a team of a least two or three to manage the large stencils, and a special lift platform. Scaffolding or a scissor lift wouldn't cut it for that height and width. Astonished at the criticism of the piece, and it's relevance in regard to timing. UK doesn't even officially leave the EU until 3/29/2019. There would have been no street pieces to offer commentary on any world issues had it not been for banksy. This entire forum probably wouldn't exist. The other artist's who were mentioned styles are completely derivative of the one B originated, so literally cannot be accused of copying them ever. He fathered this sub-genre, and he's still light years ahead in terms of skill and vision. Accuse your Dad of copying something you did. He'll be like "bitch, I made you" Look, Banksy is without a doubt my favorite living artist and will arguably be remembered as one of the worlds most influential artists, but are you really "astonished" by the negligible level of what I would hardly even call "criticism" on this thread? A few people mentioning the theme here has been attempted in various ways? It takes nothing away from the great new B piece and this thread has remained overwhelmingly positive from what I've read. No need to be overly dramatic about it all. Separately, I can't tell if you were being serious with your statement "There would have been no street pieces to offer commentary on any world issues had it not been for banksy"... Alright, you asked for it. His influence on the street art genre can't be overstated. He transcended graffiti and inspired a generation of artists that never would have picked up a spray can otherwise. What Retna, Saber, Pose, Risk, Kaws, Futura, Daze, Seen, all have in common is that they actually have a background in graffiti, not 30 second spraying of irreverent stencil pieces with social commentary. Had he never proliferated the scene, there would still be political graffiti, but by no means would they be well cut multi layered stenciled characters playing out a satirical scene. I would also venture a guess that sonnets would be nowhere in our literary lexicon without the existence of Shakespeare, or our understanding of special relativity without Einstein. Astronomy without Copernicus. Mathematics without Pythagoras. Can't be overstated. There would still be graffiti, but this quasi-urban gallery aspirational 'street art' sub-genre wouldn't have ever developed. There's such high demand for his work that it birthed a whole scene of non graffiti inspired 'street art', that's where the genres split. Let's play a game, find all the artists on this forum who never wrote graffiti. I mean tags, bombing, throw ups, burners, stickers, markers, rail yard beat downs, the whole bit. What is inherently 'urban' about there work? Nothing. Banksy alone lends them the street credibility, so all that follow are grandfathered in. They don't need to earn any of their own stripes, if they can borrow some elements of his style. The observer assimilates these elements into the artists own story, giving them instant recognition as being authentically urban. Even though they went to art school on Daddy's dime and never spent a cold night on a high rooftop with icy rollers and frozen index fingers. |
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Peter Bengtsen on May 8, 2017 17:06:42 GMT 1, Look, Banksy is without a doubt my favorite living artist and will arguably be remembered as one of the worlds most influential artists, but are you really "astonished" by the negligible level of what I would hardly even call "criticism" on this thread? A few people mentioning the theme here has been attempted in various ways? It takes nothing away from the great new B piece and this thread has remained overwhelmingly positive from what I've read. No need to be overly dramatic about it all. Separately, I can't tell if you were being serious with your statement "There would have been no street pieces to offer commentary on any world issues had it not been for banksy"... Alright, you asked for it. His influence on the street art genre can't be overstated. He transcended graffiti and inspired a generation of artists that never would have picked up a spray can otherwise. What Retna, Saber, Pose, Risk, Kaws, Futura, Daze, Seen, all have in common is that they actually have a background in graffiti, not 30 second spraying of irreverent stencil pieces with social commentary. Had he never proliferated the scene, there would still be political graffiti, but by no means would they be well cut multi layered stenciled characters playing out a satirical scene. I would also venture a guess that sonnets would be nowhere in our literary lexicon without the existence of Shakespeare, or our understanding of special relativity without Einstein. Astronomy without Copernicus. Mathematics without Pythagoras. Can't be overstated. There would still be graffiti, but this quasi-urban gallery aspirational 'street art' sub-genre wouldn't have ever developed. There's such high demand for his work that it birthed a whole scene of non graffiti inspired 'street art', that's where the genres split.
This argument is based on contrafactual speculation, and is ultimately meaningless.
It seems that in your scenario, had the individuals you mention not come along, their various achievements would never have been accomplished. This is certainly possible. However, one could also imagine that if these specific individuals had not made their respective achievements, someone else would eventually have done essentially the same thing they did, to much the same effect.
Since events happened to unfold the way they actually did, there is no way of knowing how things would have been if Banksy (or any of the other individuals mentioned) were taken out of the equation.
---------------------------------------------- Read more about The Street Art World---------------------------------------------- Look, Banksy is without a doubt my favorite living artist and will arguably be remembered as one of the worlds most influential artists, but are you really "astonished" by the negligible level of what I would hardly even call "criticism" on this thread? A few people mentioning the theme here has been attempted in various ways? It takes nothing away from the great new B piece and this thread has remained overwhelmingly positive from what I've read. No need to be overly dramatic about it all. Separately, I can't tell if you were being serious with your statement "There would have been no street pieces to offer commentary on any world issues had it not been for banksy"... Alright, you asked for it. His influence on the street art genre can't be overstated. He transcended graffiti and inspired a generation of artists that never would have picked up a spray can otherwise. What Retna, Saber, Pose, Risk, Kaws, Futura, Daze, Seen, all have in common is that they actually have a background in graffiti, not 30 second spraying of irreverent stencil pieces with social commentary. Had he never proliferated the scene, there would still be political graffiti, but by no means would they be well cut multi layered stenciled characters playing out a satirical scene. I would also venture a guess that sonnets would be nowhere in our literary lexicon without the existence of Shakespeare, or our understanding of special relativity without Einstein. Astronomy without Copernicus. Mathematics without Pythagoras. Can't be overstated. There would still be graffiti, but this quasi-urban gallery aspirational 'street art' sub-genre wouldn't have ever developed. There's such high demand for his work that it birthed a whole scene of non graffiti inspired 'street art', that's where the genres split. This argument is based on contrafactual speculation, and is ultimately meaningless.
It seems that in your scenario, had the individuals you mention not come along, their various achievements would never have been accomplished. This is certainly possible. However, one could also imagine that if these specific individuals had not made their respective achievements, someone else would eventually have done essentially the same thing they did, to much the same effect.
Since events happened to unfold the way they actually did, there is no way of knowing how things would have been if Banksy (or any of the other individuals mentioned) were taken out of the equation.
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BANKSY in Dover, Brexit, by Lroy on May 8, 2017 17:45:21 GMT 1, Great piece. It Could be saying vote LABOUR!
thanks ! An answer !
Great piece. It Could be saying vote LABOUR! thanks ! An answer ! |
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