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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 22:08:48 GMT 1, Its probably because its quite small, most were bigger.
Its probably because its quite small, most were bigger.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by sohohoho on Aug 7, 2014 22:10:18 GMT 1, So they do, my bad. I was looking at generic images via Google.
So they do, my bad. I was looking at generic images via Google.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Cornish Crayon on Aug 7, 2014 22:42:05 GMT 1, I spotted that the second I saw it, I don't own it but it it looks like that's the error......... nevermind still a corker dude  It's not that as mine's got that splash.
i guess I was looking for a fault.........
you out too have quality taste Mr headfall 
I spotted that the second I saw it, I don't own it but it it looks like that's the error......... nevermind still a corker dude It's not that as mine's got that splash. Oh!!!!! i guess I was looking for a fault......... you out too have quality taste Mr headfall |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by taz66 on Aug 22, 2014 16:54:42 GMT 1, There is a pulp fiction a supposed back door Banksy on Ebay
There is a pulp fiction a supposed back door Banksy on Ebay
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by craigf on Aug 22, 2014 17:29:51 GMT 1, There is a pulp fiction a supposed back door Banksy on Ebay
There is a pulp fiction a supposed back door Banksy on Ebay For ยฃ1,500 or best offer, they are taking the michael somewhat!!! |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by taz66 on Aug 22, 2014 21:13:06 GMT 1, Yup deffo, I just brought a toxic Mary and it cost a lot more than that but it's an image I love
Yup deffo, I just brought a toxic Mary and it cost a lot more than that but it's an image I love
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 22:51:13 GMT 1, A friend and non-forum member is looking to buy a backdoor print. Anyone have one they'd be looking to unload?
(and before anyone says "friend" means it's really just for me - let me correct you. if it was for me I'd have no problem saying so  )
A friend and non-forum member is looking to buy a backdoor print. Anyone have one they'd be looking to unload? (and before anyone says "friend" means it's really just for me - let me correct you. if it was for me I'd have no problem saying so ) |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 4:25:34 GMT 1, Been thinking about this lately; isn't advertising an inauthentic Banksy print as a 'backdoor' print - regardless of whether or not it is in fact a backdoor print - a bad idea? Especially assuming most of these persons did not buy directly from the person at the printer (online from a guy who says he worked there doesn't count  ?
Calling them backdoor prints is starting to seem moot/detrimental, since it's really impossible to verify by anyone but the original buyer and creates so much room for scamming/fraud. And honestly, even if you bought it from the apparent original buyer who you know extremely well, there is no way you can know with complete certainty it is an actual backdoor print without some sort of e-mail correspondence b/w the original buyer and the printer person; you're still just trusting someone (I know that sounds bleak, but let's be real - some people lie to close friends). So it's kind of like perpetuating a potential falsehood, even if the chance is really small.
Seeing how a possible majority of backdoor prints are bought/sold through here, maybe everyone can start just calling them 'authentic-quality replicas' or something to help people from getting screwed. I just feel like the concept of the backdoor Banksy print has resulted in a ton of people spending much more money than they should, and if we shut it down here it could help fix that and actual scamming on places like ebay.
Been thinking about this lately; isn't advertising an inauthentic Banksy print as a 'backdoor' print - regardless of whether or not it is in fact a backdoor print - a bad idea? Especially assuming most of these persons did not buy directly from the person at the printer (online from a guy who says he worked there doesn't count ? Calling them backdoor prints is starting to seem moot/detrimental, since it's really impossible to verify by anyone but the original buyer and creates so much room for scamming/fraud. And honestly, even if you bought it from the apparent original buyer who you know extremely well, there is no way you can know with complete certainty it is an actual backdoor print without some sort of e-mail correspondence b/w the original buyer and the printer person; you're still just trusting someone (I know that sounds bleak, but let's be real - some people lie to close friends). So it's kind of like perpetuating a potential falsehood, even if the chance is really small. Seeing how a possible majority of backdoor prints are bought/sold through here, maybe everyone can start just calling them 'authentic-quality replicas' or something to help people from getting screwed. I just feel like the concept of the backdoor Banksy print has resulted in a ton of people spending much more money than they should, and if we shut it down here it could help fix that and actual scamming on places like ebay. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by bone on Mar 18, 2015 4:30:44 GMT 1, Been thinking about this lately; isn't advertising an inauthentic Banksy print as a 'backdoor' print - regardless of whether or not it is in fact a backdoor print - a bad idea? Especially assuming most of these persons did not buy directly from the person at the printer (online from a guy who says he worked there doesn't count ? Calling them backdoor prints is starting to seem moot/detrimental, since it's really impossible to verify by anyone but the original buyer and creates so much room for scamming/fraud. And honestly, even if you bought it from the apparent original buyer who you know extremely well, there is no way you can know with complete certainty it is an actual backdoor print without some sort of e-mail correspondence b/w the original buyer and the printer person; you're still just trusting someone (I know that sounds bleak, but let's be real - some people lie to close friends). So it's kind of like perpetuating a potential falsehood, even if the chance is really small. Seeing how a possible majority of backdoor prints are bought/sold through here, maybe everyone can start just calling them 'authentic-quality replicas' or something to help people from getting screwed. I just feel like the concept of the backdoor Banksy print has resulted in a ton of people spending much more money than they should, and if we shut it down here it could help fix that and actual scamming on places like ebay.
Been thinking about this lately; isn't advertising an inauthentic Banksy print as a 'backdoor' print - regardless of whether or not it is in fact a backdoor print - a bad idea? Especially assuming most of these persons did not buy directly from the person at the printer (online from a guy who says he worked there doesn't count ? Calling them backdoor prints is starting to seem moot/detrimental, since it's really impossible to verify by anyone but the original buyer and creates so much room for scamming/fraud. And honestly, even if you bought it from the apparent original buyer who you know extremely well, there is no way you can know with complete certainty it is an actual backdoor print without some sort of e-mail correspondence b/w the original buyer and the printer person; you're still just trusting someone (I know that sounds bleak, but let's be real - some people lie to close friends). So it's kind of like perpetuating a potential falsehood, even if the chance is really small. Seeing how a possible majority of backdoor prints are bought/sold through here, maybe everyone can start just calling them 'authentic-quality replicas' or something to help people from getting screwed. I just feel like the concept of the backdoor Banksy print has resulted in a ton of people spending much more money than they should, and if we shut it down here it could help fix that and actual scamming on places like ebay. I would assume that any "backdoor" print is fake. They defiantly aren't worth anymore in my eyes then a repro being that there is no real way to validate it being backdoor. Also, being a backdoor print kind of implies it was stolen/created without Banksys blessing. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by bonesy on Mar 18, 2015 8:31:56 GMT 1, Even an email from the printer himself (whoever that is) doesn't make a backdoor print anymore legit than a bootleg photocopy, the print is either legit and recognized by Pest Control or it isn't.
Trying to rank which stolen or fake prints are better than others is the result of good marketing by sellers of these prints and a gullablness of buyers willing to settle for something and rationalize their decision to themselves. A backdoor print with an email from the POW counter persons nephew might hold weight on here (funny as it is) but don't expect that email to get you anymore for your high quality bootleg outside of this internet message board.
Even an email from the printer himself (whoever that is) doesn't make a backdoor print anymore legit than a bootleg photocopy, the print is either legit and recognized by Pest Control or it isn't.
Trying to rank which stolen or fake prints are better than others is the result of good marketing by sellers of these prints and a gullablness of buyers willing to settle for something and rationalize their decision to themselves. A backdoor print with an email from the POW counter persons nephew might hold weight on here (funny as it is) but don't expect that email to get you anymore for your high quality bootleg outside of this internet message board.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by barryh on Mar 18, 2015 11:26:20 GMT 1, Back door print means, stolen test print... I wouldn't butter it up any other way.
Back door print means, stolen test print... I wouldn't butter it up any other way.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Philpenn on Mar 18, 2015 14:54:08 GMT 1, "Factory sample."
"Factory sample."
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 15:01:08 GMT 1, I would assume that any "backdoor" print is fake. They defiantly aren't worth anymore in my eyes then a repro being that there is no real way to validate it being backdoor. Also, being a backdoor print kind of implies it was stolen/created without Banksys blessing.
That's even better right? Like a bonus! Because i thought graffiti and everything associated with graffiti was/is supposed to be (a little bit) illegal and shady?
I would assume that any "backdoor" print is fake. They defiantly aren't worth anymore in my eyes then a repro being that there is no real way to validate it being backdoor. Also, being a backdoor print kind of implies it was stolen/created without Banksys blessing. That's even better right? Like a bonus! Because i thought graffiti and everything associated with graffiti was/is supposed to be (a little bit) illegal and shady? |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by alittle on Mar 18, 2015 16:13:33 GMT 1, Who cares? Some people want to believe in a fairy tale. Let them.
Who cares? Some people want to believe in a fairy tale. Let them.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 20:49:03 GMT 1, Who cares? Some people want to believe in a fairy tale. Let them.
Adding any extra value to a print during sale by saying it's a backdoor print or semi-authentic, true or not, just seems like a blatant shady swindle move when viewed from a certain perspective. It's like one step away from that super shady guy who sells fake originals "in the style of" certain artists on ebay, or just straight art forgery.
Who cares? Some people want to believe in a fairy tale. Let them. Empathy, I suppose. Because money spent on fairy tales can go toward better purposes, like providing for their families or charitable endeavors, rather than into the pocket of a sale puffer. Adding any extra value to a print during sale by saying it's a backdoor print or semi-authentic, true or not, just seems like a blatant shady swindle move when viewed from a certain perspective. It's like one step away from that super shady guy who sells fake originals "in the style of" certain artists on ebay, or just straight art forgery. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 18:43:58 GMT 1, I thought "back door" meant stolen.
I thought "back door" meant stolen.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by biggles on Mar 19, 2015 21:17:54 GMT 1, I thought "back door" meant stolen.
I thought "back door" meant stolen. No it's a terminology used in porn |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by biggles on Mar 19, 2015 21:23:59 GMT 1, I thought "back door" meant stolen. No it's a terminology used in porn
I thought "back door" meant stolen. No it's a terminology used in porn As in Back door babes, a masterpiece of the genre |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by aberdoom on Mar 19, 2015 22:09:00 GMT 1, I thought "back door" meant stolen.
meh buy WCP! If you want the image without having to pay for a PC COA...
I thought "back door" meant stolen. I thought it was just a term used to get more money from your fake banksy? meh buy WCP! If you want the image without having to pay for a PC COA... |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by A.R.T. on Mar 19, 2015 23:17:10 GMT 1, Anybody spending money on back door prints is crazy. You're better off buying a WCP print. Both are going to be worth the same in the long run.
Anybody spending money on back door prints is crazy. You're better off buying a WCP print. Both are going to be worth the same in the long run.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by chads007 on Mar 20, 2015 0:21:51 GMT 1, Wcp are fakes through and through...PC is simply an administrative process which doesn't recognise bd's by self regulating rules it has set. ..but does not mean they're on the same tier as Wcp. That is why Wcp sell for 50 or whatever and why bd considerably more. BD will always have a place in the market for collectors who can't fork out 4-5 figures on a stamped and pc'd print. I'm sure forensic art experts will validate bd coming from the same paper and screen runs as the original set.
Wcp are fakes through and through...PC is simply an administrative process which doesn't recognise bd's by self regulating rules it has set. ..but does not mean they're on the same tier as Wcp. That is why Wcp sell for 50 or whatever and why bd considerably more. BD will always have a place in the market for collectors who can't fork out 4-5 figures on a stamped and pc'd print. I'm sure forensic art experts will validate bd coming from the same paper and screen runs as the original set.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by A.R.T. on Mar 20, 2015 0:29:03 GMT 1, Wcp are fakes through and through...PC is simply an administrative process which doesn't recognise bd's by self regulating rules it has set. ..but does not mean they're on the same tier as Wcp. That is why Wcp sell for 50 or whatever and why bd considerably more. BD will always have a place in the market for collectors who can't fork out 4-5 figures on a stamped and pc'd print. I'm sure forensic art experts will validate bd coming from the same paper and screen runs as the original set.ย
BD's are a waste of money no matter how you try to justify it. Only those who own them try to validate them and give them a place in the market.
Wcp are fakes through and through...PC is simply an administrative process which doesn't recognise bd's by self regulating rules it has set. ..but does not mean they're on the same tier as Wcp. That is why Wcp sell for 50 or whatever and why bd considerably more. BD will always have a place in the market for collectors who can't fork out 4-5 figures on a stamped and pc'd print. I'm sure forensic art experts will validate bd coming from the same paper and screen runs as the original set.ย BD's are a waste of money no matter how you try to justify it. Only those who own them try to validate them and give them a place in the market. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Amber Halo on Mar 20, 2015 0:29:12 GMT 1, If I offered you, say a GR on silver foil, a rare but not unknown BD, for postage costs only, would you reject it on the basis that you would consider it stolen property & thus is morally unacceptable? Open question.
If I offered you, say a GR on silver foil, a rare but not unknown BD, for postage costs only, would you reject it on the basis that you would consider it stolen property & thus is morally unacceptable? Open question. I've been following your posts long enough to know, that one would be wise to accept ANY of your art you cared to send someone.... Also, I've never been all that high on morality when free cool shit might be involved. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by chads007 on Mar 20, 2015 0:31:13 GMT 1, Wcp are fakes through and through...PC is simply an administrative process which doesn't recognise bd's by self regulating rules it has set. ..but does not mean they're on the same tier as Wcp. That is why Wcp sell for 50 or whatever and why bd considerably more. BD will always have a place in the market for collectors who can't fork out 4-5 figures on a stamped and pc'd print. I'm sure forensic art experts will validate bd coming from the same paper and screen runs as the original set. BD's are a waste of money no matter how you try to justify it. Only those who own them try to validate them and give them a place in the market.
Wcp are fakes through and through...PC is simply an administrative process which doesn't recognise bd's by self regulating rules it has set. ..but does not mean they're on the same tier as Wcp. That is why Wcp sell for 50 or whatever and why bd considerably more. BD will always have a place in the market for collectors who can't fork out 4-5 figures on a stamped and pc'd print. I'm sure forensic art experts will validate bd coming from the same paper and screen runs as the original set. BD's are a waste of money no matter how you try to justify it. Only those who own them try to validate them and give them a place in the market. I own one and so do many others here. My OPINION would be unchanged if I didn't own one and/or owned a PC print. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Howard Johnson on Mar 20, 2015 0:37:02 GMT 1, It's understandable that PC doesn't want to reward people for these stolen prints, but extending authentication to these would essentially create another tier of banksy prints and serve as nice entry level pieces to new collectors. Also, it would deter scammers and provide clarity to unsophisticated collectors (assuming they could accurately tell what was official).
The warhol market is littered with similarly situated backdoor and unsigned pieces, and I believe the authentication board was able to issue certs for them before they disbanded.
It's understandable that PC doesn't want to reward people for these stolen prints, but extending authentication to these would essentially create another tier of banksy prints and serve as nice entry level pieces to new collectors. Also, it would deter scammers and provide clarity to unsophisticated collectors (assuming they could accurately tell what was official).
The warhol market is littered with similarly situated backdoor and unsigned pieces, and I believe the authentication board was able to issue certs for them before they disbanded.
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by mc9205 on Mar 20, 2015 0:40:02 GMT 1, lol
lol
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Hairbland on Mar 20, 2015 0:42:49 GMT 1, I would assume that any "backdoor" print is fake.ย They defiantly aren't worth anymore in my eyes then a repro being that there is no real way to validate it being backdoor. Also, being a backdoor print kind of implies it was stolen/created without Banksys blessing. That's even better right? Like a bonus! Because i thought graffiti and everything associated with graffiti was/is supposed to be (a little bit) illegal and shady?
Illegal and shady if part of the marketing plan by most these days, in fact Illegal & Shady a good graffiti team name. Available exclusively at Urban Outfitters. In 16 color ways, on found aluminum.
I think those that buy/sell back door prints get what they bargain for, I could care less what they are called.
I would assume that any "backdoor" print is fake.ย They defiantly aren't worth anymore in my eyes then a repro being that there is no real way to validate it being backdoor. Also, being a backdoor print kind of implies it was stolen/created without Banksys blessing. That's even better right? Like a bonus! Because i thought graffiti and everything associated with graffiti was/is supposed to be (a little bit) illegal and shady? Illegal and shady if part of the marketing plan by most these days, in fact Illegal & Shady a good graffiti team name. Available exclusively at Urban Outfitters. In 16 color ways, on found aluminum. I think those that buy/sell back door prints get what they bargain for, I could care less what they are called. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Hairbland on Mar 20, 2015 0:46:14 GMT 1, It's understandable that PC doesn't want to reward people for these stolen prints, but extending authentication to these would essentially create another tier of banksy prints and serve as nice entry level pieces to new collectors.
This would be an example of letting the terrorists win.
It's understandable that PC doesn't want to reward people for these stolen prints, but extending authentication to these would essentially create another tier of banksy prints and serve as nice entry level pieces to new collectors. This would be an example of letting the terrorists win. |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 1:14:13 GMT 1,
BD's are a waste of money no matter how you try to justify it. Only those who own them try to validate them and give them a place in the market. I own one and so do many others here. My OPINION would be unchanged if I didn't own one and/or owned a PC print.
Honest question: would your opinion be changed if you were given unexpected yet irrefutable proof that your back door print is fake? (assuming you now have a very good reason to believe it's real)
BD's are a waste of money no matter how you try to justify it. Only those who own them try to validate them and give them a place in the market. I own one and so do many others here. My OPINION would be unchanged if I didn't own one and/or owned a PC print. Honest question: would your opinion be changed if you were given unexpected yet irrefutable proof that your back door print is fake? (assuming you now have a very good reason to believe it's real) |
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Backdoor Banksy Prints, by alittle on Mar 20, 2015 1:22:50 GMT 1, I place no value on something that can not and will not be authenticated. The further down the line the prints goes, the less plausible the story becomes.
Now, if I knew the printer and I received them direct, I would happily enjoy the prints for what they are as I would know their true origin and "legitimacy" first hand.
I place no value on something that can not and will not be authenticated. The further down the line the prints goes, the less plausible the story becomes.
Now, if I knew the printer and I received them direct, I would happily enjoy the prints for what they are as I would know their true origin and "legitimacy" first hand.
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