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Prints in Tubes, by .dappy on Jan 1, 2016 23:16:13 GMT 1, don't forget wickes/B&Q etc and use a length of drain pipe c£5 ... double layer cardboard for the ends, each layer at 90degrees to eachother and then duct tape to seal.
don't forget wickes/B&Q etc and use a length of drain pipe c£5 ... double layer cardboard for the ends, each layer at 90degrees to eachother and then duct tape to seal.
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Prints in Tubes, by met on Jan 2, 2016 3:50:48 GMT 1,
My general position is that works on paper, to the extent possible or practicable, should never be rolled.
When buying prints for example from Pictures On Walls, I'd always try to collect them in person with a portfolio (when this could be done, up to the time before POW moved from its Commercial Street premises). If businesses or private sellers are based in locations inconvenient to get to, and I sense they know what they're doing in terms of packing techniques and materials, I'll often offer to pay more to arrange for flat shipping.
That said, I do understand the convenience and cost benefits of shipping in cardboard or plastic tubes.
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Regarding the tubes you've purchased, they are inappropriate for posting artwork, and even more so if shipping overseas:
1. With cardboard tubes, a thickness of 2 mm is fine for storage or for transporting items yourself, e.g. taking a print from your home to the office.
However, for postage purposes, you should have a minimum tube thickness of 3 mm. 2 mm is taking a gamble that the tube will get crushed in transit. Regardless of the financial or sentimental value of the art being sent, or the ease with which it can be replaced, I don't believe such a gamble is worth taking — especially bearing in mind the relatively low cost of appropriate postal tubes.
2. On the link you listed, I see no 2 mm-thick tubes that are larger than 76.2 mm / 3" in diameter.
Unless the work on paper is small-format, e.g. A4 or A3 in size, then 3" is too narrow in my opinion. It will require the art to be rolled too tightly. This significantly increases the chances of handling and minor rolling creases. It will also result in the art being more difficult and taking longer to flatten out afterwards.
For editioned works of a standard format and printed with regular inks on commonly-used types of fine art paper, I'd advise a minimum tube diameter of 4". Although noticeably more expensive (£10+ per tube), I am much more comfortable when diameters of 6" or 8" are used, sawn down in length if necessary.
[9 or 10 years ago, Lazarides Gallery was using extra-wide tubes (possibly 12") for some Banksy Kate prints, the latter measuring 70 cm x 70 cm. I think this was ideal for work of that size and value, despite certain clients apparently complaining about the tubes being unwieldy.]
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Suitable postage tubes can easily be sourced from eBay or elsewhere. For one 4"-diameter cardboard tube, you should expect to pay at least £3 to £5.
There are plenty of other suppliers, but check out the website for Defendapack which Coach already referred to above. The company is based in Coventry, offers free shipping, and prices are cheaper direct than if ordering through its eBay shop. Here's the relevant page:
www.defendapack.com/Postal_Tubes_Cardboard_Poster_mailing_tubes
My general position is that works on paper, to the extent possible or practicable, should never be rolled. When buying prints for example from Pictures On Walls, I'd always try to collect them in person with a portfolio (when this could be done, up to the time before POW moved from its Commercial Street premises). If businesses or private sellers are based in locations inconvenient to get to, and I sense they know what they're doing in terms of packing techniques and materials, I'll often offer to pay more to arrange for flat shipping. That said, I do understand the convenience and cost benefits of shipping in cardboard or plastic tubes. ----------- Regarding the tubes you've purchased, they are inappropriate for posting artwork, and even more so if shipping overseas: 1. With cardboard tubes, a thickness of 2 mm is fine for storage or for transporting items yourself, e.g. taking a print from your home to the office. However, for postage purposes, you should have a minimum tube thickness of 3 mm. 2 mm is taking a gamble that the tube will get crushed in transit. Regardless of the financial or sentimental value of the art being sent, or the ease with which it can be replaced, I don't believe such a gamble is worth taking — especially bearing in mind the relatively low cost of appropriate postal tubes. 2. On the link you listed, I see no 2 mm-thick tubes that are larger than 76.2 mm / 3" in diameter. Unless the work on paper is small-format, e.g. A4 or A3 in size, then 3" is too narrow in my opinion. It will require the art to be rolled too tightly. This significantly increases the chances of handling and minor rolling creases. It will also result in the art being more difficult and taking longer to flatten out afterwards. For editioned works of a standard format and printed with regular inks on commonly-used types of fine art paper, I'd advise a minimum tube diameter of 4". Although noticeably more expensive (£10+ per tube), I am much more comfortable when diameters of 6" or 8" are used, sawn down in length if necessary. [9 or 10 years ago, Lazarides Gallery was using extra-wide tubes (possibly 12") for some Banksy Kate prints, the latter measuring 70 cm x 70 cm. I think this was ideal for work of that size and value, despite certain clients apparently complaining about the tubes being unwieldy.] ----------- Suitable postage tubes can easily be sourced from eBay or elsewhere. For one 4"-diameter cardboard tube, you should expect to pay at least £3 to £5. There are plenty of other suppliers, but check out the website for Defendapack which Coach already referred to above. The company is based in Coventry, offers free shipping, and prices are cheaper direct than if ordering through its eBay shop. Here's the relevant page: www.defendapack.com/Postal_Tubes_Cardboard_Poster_mailing_tubes |
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Prints in Tubes, by clairey on Jan 3, 2016 12:27:47 GMT 1, Thanks both thats really helpful :-)
Thanks both thats really helpful :-)
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Prints in Tubes, by Street Art Fan on Jan 3, 2016 13:59:36 GMT 1, I always make sure to place two balls of crumpled tissue paper inside the tube, at both ends. After I place the print inside and seal it up, I give the tube a gentle little shake to make sure that the print's immobile. Sandwiching the print between crumpled paper like this prevents it from sliding around while in transit.
I always make sure to place two balls of crumpled tissue paper inside the tube, at both ends. After I place the print inside and seal it up, I give the tube a gentle little shake to make sure that the print's immobile. Sandwiching the print between crumpled paper like this prevents it from sliding around while in transit.
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Prints in Tubes, by globalplanb on Jan 3, 2016 16:03:55 GMT 1, I always make sure to place two balls of crumpled tissue paper inside the tube, at both ends. After I place the print inside and seal it up, I give the tube a gentle little shake to make sure that the print's immobile. Sandwiching the print between crumpled paper like this prevents it from sliding around while in transit.
I've used this technique a couple of times but found if you use too much either end to immobilise the print you can accidentally crease the edges. So take care.
I always make sure to place two balls of crumpled tissue paper inside the tube, at both ends. After I place the print inside and seal it up, I give the tube a gentle little shake to make sure that the print's immobile. Sandwiching the print between crumpled paper like this prevents it from sliding around while in transit. I've used this technique a couple of times but found if you use too much either end to immobilise the print you can accidentally crease the edges. So take care. |
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Prints in Tubes, by globalplanb on Jan 3, 2016 16:07:23 GMT 1, Hi, I am selling a few prints at the moment and just a bit worried about getting the ones that have been stored flat into a postal tube. I have ordered some decent tubes and some acid free tissue paper but just wondered if anyone had any tips for me as want to make sure I don't damage the prints! thanks in advance :-)
As long as your only loosely rolling them in order to post in these tubes the prints should be fine and should flatten again easily.
Hi, I am selling a few prints at the moment and just a bit worried about getting the ones that have been stored flat into a postal tube. I have ordered some decent tubes and some acid free tissue paper but just wondered if anyone had any tips for me as want to make sure I don't damage the prints! thanks in advance :-) As long as your only loosely rolling them in order to post in these tubes the prints should be fine and should flatten again easily. |
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Prints in Tubes, by Street Art Fan on Jan 3, 2016 16:51:11 GMT 1, I always make sure to place two balls of crumpled tissue paper inside the tube, at both ends. After I place the print inside and seal it up, I give the tube a gentle little shake to make sure that the print's immobile. Sandwiching the print between crumpled paper like this prevents it from sliding around while in transit. I've used this technique a couple of times but found if you use too much either end to immobilise the print you can accidentally crease the edges. So take care.
I always make sure to place two balls of crumpled tissue paper inside the tube, at both ends. After I place the print inside and seal it up, I give the tube a gentle little shake to make sure that the print's immobile. Sandwiching the print between crumpled paper like this prevents it from sliding around while in transit. I've used this technique a couple of times but found if you use too much either end to immobilise the print you can accidentally crease the edges. So take care. You're absolutely right globalplanb. That's why it's important to roll the print in enough kraft paper so that the edges of the print don't come into contact with the crumpled tissue paper. |
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Prints in Tubes, by slevin on Jan 3, 2016 17:29:39 GMT 1, Also worth taping the crumpled paper to the tube caps to stop them accidentally going inside the rolled up poster in transit.
Also worth taping the crumpled paper to the tube caps to stop them accidentally going inside the rolled up poster in transit.
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Prints in Tubes, by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 18:06:24 GMT 1, send it flat
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send it flat
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Prints in Tubes, by clairey on Jan 3, 2016 18:24:54 GMT 1, Thanks Bren that is very useful. I will take a look at the link you provided. :-)
Thanks Bren that is very useful. I will take a look at the link you provided. :-)
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Prints in Tubes, by rgc on Jan 3, 2016 18:26:49 GMT 1, I get the sense that folding it is a bad idea then!! 
I get the sense that folding it is a bad idea then!! |
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Prints in Tubes, by ed on Jan 3, 2016 18:31:33 GMT 1, If anyone's in Bristol and wants tubes I've got dozens of various sizes, tended not to throw them away for some reason
If anyone's in Bristol and wants tubes I've got dozens of various sizes, tended not to throw them away for some reason
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Prints in Tubes, by Dibbs 45 on Jan 3, 2016 18:45:13 GMT 1,
I get the sense that folding it is a bad idea then!!
On Stik dancers they were folded. No not a good idea.
I get the sense that folding it is a bad idea then!! On Stik dancers they were folded. No not a good idea. |
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Prints in Tubes, by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 19:01:38 GMT 1, I get the sense that folding it is a bad idea then!! 
I get the sense that folding it is a bad idea then!! That's for only shipping flat. Be sure to blue tac the corners to each other so they don't come loose during shipment. Also, when they ask for insurance, they mean what you paid for the tube. Good luck |
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Prints in Tubes, by dotdot on Jan 3, 2016 20:51:36 GMT 1, don't forget the gloves - the paper and the ends - you may find you've rolled then it doesn't fit - so patience is your friend.
ensure you have a large flat surface to work on - without specs of any kind - before you start.
take your time !
oh and one last thing - pack it in the way you'd wish to it arrive if you'd bought it... with utmost respect and patience.
the days of seeing a jd arrive in a tube - are long gone - anyone remember them ! -
(my reaction was something akin to abject FEAR)
don't forget the gloves - the paper and the ends - you may find you've rolled then it doesn't fit - so patience is your friend. ensure you have a large flat surface to work on - without specs of any kind - before you start. take your time ! oh and one last thing - pack it in the way you'd wish to it arrive if you'd bought it... with utmost respect and patience. the days of seeing a jd arrive in a tube - are long gone - anyone remember them ! - (my reaction was something akin to abject FEAR) |
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Prints in Tubes, by clairey on Jan 3, 2016 22:56:06 GMT 1, If anyone's in Bristol and wants tubes I've got dozens of various sizes, tended not to throw them away for some reason
If anyone's in Bristol and wants tubes I've got dozens of various sizes, tended not to throw them away for some reason Thanks Ed but i'm in West Sussex and I threw most of mine away when moving house :-( |
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Prints in Tubes, by rebelate on Jan 4, 2016 8:21:34 GMT 1, I only use uLine heavy duty in both 3" and 4" depending on dimensions/size of print but always in .125" thick. I haven't had a problem with not even one being damaged yet, they are very strong and sturdy.
www.uline.com/grp_74_heavyduty/Heavy-Duty-Kraft-Tubes
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Prints in Tubes, by Dive Jedi on Jan 4, 2016 23:10:24 GMT 1, If I may add my 10 cents : I purchased prints from a Thai gallery and they sent the prints in plastic sewer pipes ( do I need to add: new ones...). Which made perfect sense to me.
They are much wider then carton , much stronger and better resistent to water.
You can buy 10 feet pipes and cut them to whatever size you want.
Might be cheaper as well..... Just fabricate a cap with some thick plastic and a lot of tape.
But I do try to send as much flat as possible. Saves the print and the buyer 2 weeks of flattening.
If I may add my 10 cents : I purchased prints from a Thai gallery and they sent the prints in plastic sewer pipes ( do I need to add: new ones...). Which made perfect sense to me.
They are much wider then carton , much stronger and better resistent to water.
You can buy 10 feet pipes and cut them to whatever size you want.
Might be cheaper as well..... Just fabricate a cap with some thick plastic and a lot of tape.
But I do try to send as much flat as possible. Saves the print and the buyer 2 weeks of flattening.
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Prints in Tubes, by rebelate on Jan 5, 2016 2:07:12 GMT 1, If I may add my 10 cents : I purchased prints from a Thai gallery and they sent the prints in plastic sewer pipes ( do I need to add: new ones...). Which made perfect sense to me. They are much wider then carton , much stronger and better resistent to water. You can buy 10 feet pipes and cut them to whatever size you want. Might be cheaper as well..... Just fabricate a cap with some thick plastic and a lot of tape. But I do try to send as much flat as possible. Saves the print and the buyer 2 weeks of flattening.
1. I feel like if you were to open a claim on a damaged tube, I feel like the courier company may blame the shipper saying that it is not a suitable form of packaging since the tube was made for plumbing and not necessarily shipping.
2. That somebody some where is going to get curious enough, whether it's security or customs, to want to open it up and look inside. Basically, they could look like pipe bombs. lol
Otherwise yes, no brainer, I'd be shipping using cut up drain pipes from Home Depot instead in a heart beat!
If I may add my 10 cents : I purchased prints from a Thai gallery and they sent the prints in plastic sewer pipes ( do I need to add: new ones...). Which made perfect sense to me. They are much wider then carton , much stronger and better resistent to water. You can buy 10 feet pipes and cut them to whatever size you want. Might be cheaper as well..... Just fabricate a cap with some thick plastic and a lot of tape. But I do try to send as much flat as possible. Saves the print and the buyer 2 weeks of flattening. This is how a few people I know do it also. They actually have end caps for a $1 each specifically made for the pipes. However there are two things that have kept me away of going with this method. 1. I feel like if you were to open a claim on a damaged tube, I feel like the courier company may blame the shipper saying that it is not a suitable form of packaging since the tube was made for plumbing and not necessarily shipping. 2. That somebody some where is going to get curious enough, whether it's security or customs, to want to open it up and look inside. Basically, they could look like pipe bombs. lol Otherwise yes, no brainer, I'd be shipping using cut up drain pipes from Home Depot instead in a heart beat! |
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Prints in Tubes, by ryzer on Mar 11, 2016 2:59:38 GMT 1, www.yazoomills.com
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Prints in Tubes, by yobaby on Jan 3, 2017 17:05:22 GMT 1, Hey
At what stage does a tubed print become damaged? ( how long's a piece of string you say?)
I've often wondered whether say, a hand finished print stored rolled up in a tube would be wrecked after 6 months or 3 years?
How often would you suggest removing a tubed print before retubing?
I ask this as some folk seem to keep their prints rolled and never bother flattening them. I'm curious to hear peoples take on this.
Thanks
Hey
At what stage does a tubed print become damaged? ( how long's a piece of string you say?)
I've often wondered whether say, a hand finished print stored rolled up in a tube would be wrecked after 6 months or 3 years?
How often would you suggest removing a tubed print before retubing?
I ask this as some folk seem to keep their prints rolled and never bother flattening them. I'm curious to hear peoples take on this.
Thanks
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Prints in Tubes, by soam24 on Jan 3, 2017 18:02:59 GMT 1, Keeping any sort of paper rolled up for an extensive amount of time is a bad idea.
Portfolio's
Flat File's
Foam core sandwhich's
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Keeping any sort of paper rolled up for an extensive amount of time is a bad idea.
Portfolio's
Flat File's
Foam core sandwhich's
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Prints in Tubes, by yobaby on Jan 3, 2017 18:07:27 GMT 1, Yeah I get that but I'm asking at what stage does the damage set in.
Surely there's a definitive timeframe damage starts to occur? I ask because I've come across a number of people who've been storing prints tubed for some time now and openly admit to this when trying to sell these on.
Yeah I get that but I'm asking at what stage does the damage set in.
Surely there's a definitive timeframe damage starts to occur? I ask because I've come across a number of people who've been storing prints tubed for some time now and openly admit to this when trying to sell these on.
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Prints in Tubes, by soam24 on Jan 3, 2017 18:12:18 GMT 1, I would hope they would say the print has been in a tube for x amount of time. I think it would be a print by print basis.
The type of paper, how heavy of ink.. etc etc.
I would hope they would say the print has been in a tube for x amount of time. I think it would be a print by print basis.
The type of paper, how heavy of ink.. etc etc.
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Prints in Tubes, by soam24 on Jan 3, 2017 18:12:48 GMT 1, so in short, there is no real answer here that you're looking for. i.e. day 30, the print forms waves.
so in short, there is no real answer here that you're looking for. i.e. day 30, the print forms waves.
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Prints in Tubes, by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 18:31:05 GMT 1, I guess it depends on many factors like the thickness of the paper and also if a screenprint on the thickness of the ink used and layers etc.
Plus where it is stored in the tube and humidity etc. Either way stored flat or left in a tube the print should be stored in a ventilated place where damp and mould cannot work it's way into the paper over a longish amount of time.
Most drawings and art on paper are stored flat in museums and collections.
I guess it depends on many factors like the thickness of the paper and also if a screenprint on the thickness of the ink used and layers etc.
Plus where it is stored in the tube and humidity etc. Either way stored flat or left in a tube the print should be stored in a ventilated place where damp and mould cannot work it's way into the paper over a longish amount of time.
Most drawings and art on paper are stored flat in museums and collections.
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Prints in Tubes, by iamzero on Jan 3, 2017 18:56:24 GMT 1, I've just been give a Mau Mau Fox Mask for Christmas and the missus has had it it the tube for over a year and it went flat in a few hours by itself.
I've just been give a Mau Mau Fox Mask for Christmas and the missus has had it it the tube for over a year and it went flat in a few hours by itself.
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