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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Rouen Cathedral on Feb 11, 2020 2:01:01 GMT 1, I think this is the reason we are seeing noticeably huge inflation of prices from source nowadays. People here talking about the ridiculous pricing of Avant Arte, Counter Editions etc, but I think this is the way things are going, unfortunately. It has become a problem and its no different to what was happening with gig ticket resellers years ago. Gig tickets for popular artists are now tiered pricing. Even from source they hold back tickets to sell at a premium aftermarket price. I'm wafflin a bit and, but it's the fuckin Internet that's done all this. Too many online galleries hyping, flipping and dumping, before moving on to the next new thing.
Itโs such a crazy predicament. As you mention many places list at higher start prices and things donโt sell out.. Ironically if they had listed for half value the pieces would probably be flippable and may sell for more then the high list price.
I think this is the reason we are seeing noticeably huge inflation of prices from source nowadays. People here talking about the ridiculous pricing of Avant Arte, Counter Editions etc, but I think this is the way things are going, unfortunately. It has become a problem and its no different to what was happening with gig ticket resellers years ago. Gig tickets for popular artists are now tiered pricing. Even from source they hold back tickets to sell at a premium aftermarket price. I'm wafflin a bit and, but it's the fuckin Internet that's done all this. Too many online galleries hyping, flipping and dumping, before moving on to the next new thing. Itโs such a crazy predicament. As you mention many places list at higher start prices and things donโt sell out.. Ironically if they had listed for half value the pieces would probably be flippable and may sell for more then the high list price. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Express Post on Feb 11, 2020 2:13:11 GMT 1, It isn't sustainable.
Flipping only happens to the sample. It doesn't mean there is enough liquidity for the whole run at the higher price.
For a sound business model, it is better to have constant sales and a cashflow.
Forgo that little bit extra and stay in business to produce more than to go all out and watch things sit.
And if you constantly price too high, people lose interest. Then the business and the artist both miss out.
I think this is the reason we are seeing noticeably huge inflation of prices from source nowadays. People here talking about the ridiculous pricing of Avant Arte, Counter Editions etc, but I think this is the way things are going, unfortunately. It has become a problem and its no different to what was happening with gig ticket resellers years ago. Gig tickets for popular artists are now tiered pricing. Even from source they hold back tickets to sell at a premium aftermarket price. I'm wafflin a bit and, but it's the fuckin Internet that's done all this. Too many online galleries hyping, flipping and dumping, before moving on to the next new thing. Itโs such a crazy predicament. As you mention many places list at higher start prices and things donโt sell out.. Ironically if they had listed for half value the pieces would probably be flippable and may sell for more then the high list price.
It isn't sustainable. Flipping only happens to the sample. It doesn't mean there is enough liquidity for the whole run at the higher price. For a sound business model, it is better to have constant sales and a cashflow. Forgo that little bit extra and stay in business to produce more than to go all out and watch things sit. And if you constantly price too high, people lose interest. Then the business and the artist both miss out. I think this is the reason we are seeing noticeably huge inflation of prices from source nowadays. People here talking about the ridiculous pricing of Avant Arte, Counter Editions etc, but I think this is the way things are going, unfortunately. It has become a problem and its no different to what was happening with gig ticket resellers years ago. Gig tickets for popular artists are now tiered pricing. Even from source they hold back tickets to sell at a premium aftermarket price. I'm wafflin a bit and, but it's the fuckin Internet that's done all this. Too many online galleries hyping, flipping and dumping, before moving on to the next new thing. Itโs such a crazy predicament. As you mention many places list at higher start prices and things donโt sell out.. Ironically if they had listed for half value the pieces would probably be flippable and may sell for more then the high list price. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by touchdowntodd on Feb 11, 2020 3:03:00 GMT 1, On the flip side, pun intended, what about the art that is worths**t after you paid $x a few years earlier. It is not like the gallery or the artist is going to pay you back the difference.
A LOT of people are going to realize this truth soon lol
On the flip side, pun intended, what about the art that is worths**t after you paid $x a few years earlier. It is not like the gallery or the artist is going to pay you back the difference. A LOT of people are going to realize this truth soon lol |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by jimmyjam on Feb 11, 2020 3:19:49 GMT 1, Man, you definitely didnโt go through the housing or dot.com crash in the early 2000s.
BUT...
As long as the current stock market, employment data and housing market in the US is still strong... the art market is probably not going anywhere for a bit. Even when the Coronavirus is going on the f*cking stocks are still going up. Talk about a manipulate market... stocks.
Man, you definitely didnโt go through the housing or dot.com crash in the early 2000s.
BUT...
As long as the current stock market, employment data and housing market in the US is still strong... the art market is probably not going anywhere for a bit. Even when the Coronavirus is going on the f*cking stocks are still going up. Talk about a manipulate market... stocks.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Jaylove on Feb 11, 2020 3:27:01 GMT 1, I think this is the reason we are seeing noticeably huge inflation of prices from source nowadays. People here talking about the ridiculous pricing of Avant Arte, Counter Editions etc, but I think this is the way things are going, unfortunately. It has become a problem and its no different to what was happening with gig ticket resellers years ago. Gig tickets for popular artists are now tiered pricing. Even from source they hold back tickets to sell at a premium aftermarket price. I'm wafflin a bit and, but it's the fuckin Internet that's done all this. Too many online galleries hyping, flipping and dumping, before moving on to the next new thing.
Yep. It's pretty sad what's going on.
I think this is the reason we are seeing noticeably huge inflation of prices from source nowadays. People here talking about the ridiculous pricing of Avant Arte, Counter Editions etc, but I think this is the way things are going, unfortunately. It has become a problem and its no different to what was happening with gig ticket resellers years ago. Gig tickets for popular artists are now tiered pricing. Even from source they hold back tickets to sell at a premium aftermarket price. I'm wafflin a bit and, but it's the fuckin Internet that's done all this. Too many online galleries hyping, flipping and dumping, before moving on to the next new thing. Yep. It's pretty sad what's going on. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by pada1 on Feb 11, 2020 5:24:42 GMT 1, A secondary market is just a mandatory and healthy element for an investment. It benefits to all actors to the primary market, artists, galleries, curators, collectors,etc. We have to differentiate the place where the flipping is happening and the act.
What bothers most in flipping is not the morale part of it but the fact that it generates an ask/offer for the sole purpose of investing. Naturally, someone buying for making money will sell for more. And since the prices arenโt regulated or indexed in any factual and observable parameter, the whole thing becomes very subjective and the seller(s) become kings (given that the market is not liquid).
As many stated in earlier posts, this is not atypical to the Art market. Change the asset from painting to other commodities (concert tickets, shoes, cards, oil and rare metals) or event shares, bonds, loans, etc. What is missing here is just some laws that regulate the markets and their actors, both primary and secondary.
Even if the Art market is quite old, it is nowadays as mature as the cryptocurrenciesโ. Wild and young, quick buck to be made through obvious arbitration oportunities.
A secondary market is just a mandatory and healthy element for an investment. It benefits to all actors to the primary market, artists, galleries, curators, collectors,etc. We have to differentiate the place where the flipping is happening and the act.
What bothers most in flipping is not the morale part of it but the fact that it generates an ask/offer for the sole purpose of investing. Naturally, someone buying for making money will sell for more. And since the prices arenโt regulated or indexed in any factual and observable parameter, the whole thing becomes very subjective and the seller(s) become kings (given that the market is not liquid).
As many stated in earlier posts, this is not atypical to the Art market. Change the asset from painting to other commodities (concert tickets, shoes, cards, oil and rare metals) or event shares, bonds, loans, etc. What is missing here is just some laws that regulate the markets and their actors, both primary and secondary.
Even if the Art market is quite old, it is nowadays as mature as the cryptocurrenciesโ. Wild and young, quick buck to be made through obvious arbitration oportunities.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Express Post on Feb 11, 2020 6:14:08 GMT 1, What triggers a few on here are the for sale threads two minutes after a sellout.
Some honorable mentions go to the wife/art police doesn't like, or not enough wallspace. Just contact the gallery and have them cancel the sale. Easy-fcukin-peasy.
A favourite of mine is cookiemonster needing the funds to operate on her cat's blueball situation. Quite the mess that one.
A secondary market is just a mandatory and healthy element for an investment. It benefits to all actors to the primary market, artists, galleries, curators, collectors,etc. We have to differentiate the place where the flipping is happening and the act. What bothers most in flipping is not the morale part of it but the fact that it generates an ask/offer for the sole purpose of investing. Naturally, someone buying for making money will sell for more. And since the prices arenโt regulated or indexed in any factual and observable parameter, the whole thing becomes very subjective and the seller(s) become kings (given that the market is not liquid). As many stated in earlier posts, this is not atypical to the Art market. Change the asset from painting to other commodities (concert tickets, shoes, cards, oil and rare metals) or event shares, bonds, loans, etc. What is missing here is just some laws that regulate the markets and their actors, both primary and secondary. Even if the Art market is quite old, it is nowadays as mature as the cryptocurrenciesโ. Wild and young, quick buck to be made through obvious arbitration oportunities.
What triggers a few on here are the for sale threads two minutes after a sellout. Some honorable mentions go to the wife/art police doesn't like, or not enough wallspace. Just contact the gallery and have them cancel the sale. Easy-fcukin-peasy. A favourite of mine is cookiemonster needing the funds to operate on her cat's blueball situation. Quite the mess that one. A secondary market is just a mandatory and healthy element for an investment. It benefits to all actors to the primary market, artists, galleries, curators, collectors,etc. We have to differentiate the place where the flipping is happening and the act. What bothers most in flipping is not the morale part of it but the fact that it generates an ask/offer for the sole purpose of investing. Naturally, someone buying for making money will sell for more. And since the prices arenโt regulated or indexed in any factual and observable parameter, the whole thing becomes very subjective and the seller(s) become kings (given that the market is not liquid). As many stated in earlier posts, this is not atypical to the Art market. Change the asset from painting to other commodities (concert tickets, shoes, cards, oil and rare metals) or event shares, bonds, loans, etc. What is missing here is just some laws that regulate the markets and their actors, both primary and secondary. Even if the Art market is quite old, it is nowadays as mature as the cryptocurrenciesโ. Wild and young, quick buck to be made through obvious arbitration oportunities. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by pada1 on Feb 11, 2020 6:42:06 GMT 1, I understand that.
But believing that the secondary market should only exist months or years after the first sale is just not being realistic.
The problems i see are:
- artworks are badly priced in the secondary market. Galleries/artists donโt evaluate well what they offer. This offer instant arbitration in the secondary market.
- ridiculous justifications in the secondary markets arenโt the problem. They are just nature reflex from people who wants to protect themselves from social judgement. The problem is the shaming that generates such laughable arguments.
I understand that.
But believing that the secondary market should only exist months or years after the first sale is just not being realistic.
The problems i see are:
- artworks are badly priced in the secondary market. Galleries/artists donโt evaluate well what they offer. This offer instant arbitration in the secondary market.
- ridiculous justifications in the secondary markets arenโt the problem. They are just nature reflex from people who wants to protect themselves from social judgement. The problem is the shaming that generates such laughable arguments.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Daniel Silk on Feb 11, 2020 12:14:21 GMT 1, If artists made unlimited editions wouldnโt that end the flippers game?
If artists made unlimited editions wouldnโt that end the flippers game?
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Happy Shopper on Feb 11, 2020 12:30:52 GMT 1, If artists made unlimited editions wouldnโt that end the flippers game?
And the collecting game.
If artists made unlimited editions wouldnโt that end the flippers game? And the collecting game. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by purpleandred on Feb 11, 2020 12:54:31 GMT 1, It's nice to buy art for the walls instead of seeing new editions as potential "investment opportunities".
I know this sounds naive but bare in mind artists have every right to make as much money as they possibly can while they're still the perceived flavour of the month.
I say this within the loose and every expanding framework of the Urban Art/Instagram scene.
I also feel there is an unfair pointing of fingers to some sales threads when it doesn't take much investigation to see that many well established members are equally as guilty & complicit in the secondary resale market. The Heni Hirst editions were flipped like Macdonalds burgers yet there was hardly an uproar because most of these were bought by five star members who were on the buyers list.
Easy way round this dilema, it's a utopian approach of buying art for the sake of enjoying it as opposed to storing it in a flat file for perceived future monitory gain.
I'm off to pick flowers and strum my acoustic guitar while snacking on a vegan sausage roll (from Gregs)
It's nice to buy art for the walls instead of seeing new editions as potential "investment opportunities".
I know this sounds naive but bare in mind artists have every right to make as much money as they possibly can while they're still the perceived flavour of the month.
I say this within the loose and every expanding framework of the Urban Art/Instagram scene.
I also feel there is an unfair pointing of fingers to some sales threads when it doesn't take much investigation to see that many well established members are equally as guilty & complicit in the secondary resale market. The Heni Hirst editions were flipped like Macdonalds burgers yet there was hardly an uproar because most of these were bought by five star members who were on the buyers list.
Easy way round this dilema, it's a utopian approach of buying art for the sake of enjoying it as opposed to storing it in a flat file for perceived future monitory gain.
I'm off to pick flowers and strum my acoustic guitar while snacking on a vegan sausage roll (from Gregs)
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 13:04:42 GMT 1, Hilariously disingenuous to read gallery owners saying flipping, "hurts artists' careers". What they mean is it takes control of artists' careers away from gallery owners. Everyone quoted is talking about how artists are becoming too valuable too fast. Their interest is still purely on the artist rising in value, but they want it to be a source of cash over many years. If the great unwashed start profiting from the art, the galleries have to raise their prices and risk a burst bubble. Well, they don't have to, but they choose to because money matters. They're trying to protect their investment.
The artists mentioned whose careers were "ruined" are still selling at $20,000 and $66,000, which is still very, very successful for an artist (I am not familiar with either so I don't know their work). Their ability to produce work and sell it has not changed. What's changed is they're no longer the hot thing who can sell for hundreds of thousands. If you want to play the game of trying to be the hot thing, be prepared for the fact you'll cool.
Hilariously disingenuous to read gallery owners saying flipping, "hurts artists' careers". What they mean is it takes control of artists' careers away from gallery owners. Everyone quoted is talking about how artists are becoming too valuable too fast. Their interest is still purely on the artist rising in value, but they want it to be a source of cash over many years. If the great unwashed start profiting from the art, the galleries have to raise their prices and risk a burst bubble. Well, they don't have to, but they choose to because money matters. They're trying to protect their investment.
The artists mentioned whose careers were "ruined" are still selling at $20,000 and $66,000, which is still very, very successful for an artist (I am not familiar with either so I don't know their work). Their ability to produce work and sell it has not changed. What's changed is they're no longer the hot thing who can sell for hundreds of thousands. If you want to play the game of trying to be the hot thing, be prepared for the fact you'll cool.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by kashi on Feb 16, 2020 19:57:37 GMT 1, I'm not sure that I've ever bought a print from source, let alone in some sort of 'drop' frenzy.
My thoughts are that there is no need to have the 'latest' 'freshest' etc. I prefer long-term.
We all know the feeling of loving a piece of art 'so much', but then maybe the scales dropping from our eyes after a year or 2. (I won't name the artists that have been my own personal bubbles!)
If you are prepared to wait a while for the fuss to die down, the 'market' to move on, and find that you still think this scrawled on bit of paper is a bit of brilliance come to Earth, then that is maybe a better time to buy. If its got too expensive, tough luck (buy the poster), but 9 times out of 10, it will be at less than original pricing ... or at least the stuff I like seems to be.
You can then live with this wonder on your wall for as long as you please.
Since widening my horizons to art of earlier times, I've found that really wonderful prints (& some originals) by the famous artists of the early & mid 20th Century are SO MUCH better value than the latest must-have piece of so-called 'urban' & 'contemporary' art. It it will not support a living artist of course, but it makes for great walls.
I'm not sure that I've ever bought a print from source, let alone in some sort of 'drop' frenzy.
My thoughts are that there is no need to have the 'latest' 'freshest' etc. I prefer long-term.
We all know the feeling of loving a piece of art 'so much', but then maybe the scales dropping from our eyes after a year or 2. (I won't name the artists that have been my own personal bubbles!)
If you are prepared to wait a while for the fuss to die down, the 'market' to move on, and find that you still think this scrawled on bit of paper is a bit of brilliance come to Earth, then that is maybe a better time to buy. If its got too expensive, tough luck (buy the poster), but 9 times out of 10, it will be at less than original pricing ... or at least the stuff I like seems to be.
You can then live with this wonder on your wall for as long as you please.
Since widening my horizons to art of earlier times, I've found that really wonderful prints (& some originals) by the famous artists of the early & mid 20th Century are SO MUCH better value than the latest must-have piece of so-called 'urban' & 'contemporary' art. It it will not support a living artist of course, but it makes for great walls.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Express Post on Apr 5, 2020 0:06:35 GMT 1, Hands up, who made this vid?
18:50 talks about the Fairey Egalitรฉ print.
Hands up, who made this vid?
18:50 talks about the Fairey Egalitรฉ print.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by moron on Apr 6, 2020 0:14:27 GMT 1, What utter conceited tosh. Art is a commodity like any other, speculators help prop up the markets of many artists. This is just galleries bitching that traders and auction houses are eating their lunch.
What utter conceited tosh. Art is a commodity like any other, speculators help prop up the markets of many artists. This is just galleries bitching that traders and auction houses are eating their lunch. In which way is art a commodity? |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by moron on Apr 6, 2020 0:23:30 GMT 1, It's nice to buy art for the walls instead of seeing new editions as potential "investment opportunities". I know this sounds naive but bare in mind artists have every right to make as much money as they possibly can while they're still the perceived flavour of the month. I say this within the loose and every expanding framework of the Urban Art/Instagram scene. I also feel there is an unfair pointing of fingers to some sales threads when it doesn't take much investigation to see that many well established members are equally as guilty & complicit in the secondary resale market. The Heni Hirst editions were flipped like Macdonalds burgers yet there was hardly an uproar because most of these were bought by five star members who were on the buyers list. Easy way round this dilema, it's a utopian approach of buying art for the sake of enjoying it as opposed to storing it in a flat file for perceived future monitory gain. I'm off to pick flowers and strum my acoustic guitar while snacking on a vegan sausage roll (from Gregs)
Wonder how many declare their flipping income to the tax man?
It's nice to buy art for the walls instead of seeing new editions as potential "investment opportunities". I know this sounds naive but bare in mind artists have every right to make as much money as they possibly can while they're still the perceived flavour of the month. I say this within the loose and every expanding framework of the Urban Art/Instagram scene. I also feel there is an unfair pointing of fingers to some sales threads when it doesn't take much investigation to see that many well established members are equally as guilty & complicit in the secondary resale market. The Heni Hirst editions were flipped like Macdonalds burgers yet there was hardly an uproar because most of these were bought by five star members who were on the buyers list. Easy way round this dilema, it's a utopian approach of buying art for the sake of enjoying it as opposed to storing it in a flat file for perceived future monitory gain. I'm off to pick flowers and strum my acoustic guitar while snacking on a vegan sausage roll (from Gregs) bought by five star members who work together on this forum, hyping and flipping and posting fake wanted posts for the art that they are actually flipping. Wonder how many declare their flipping income to the tax man? |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by jeanmichel on Aug 11, 2020 20:39:30 GMT 1, A many a year ago..... I bought art when it was cheap, and when I mean cheap, I bought Banksy works for ยฃ60, invaders for a few pounds etc...
I recently bought a Connor Harrington, received and didnโt like it.
I am being asked how much I am selling it for and people
Want it at the probe I paid for it... the Banksy pieces I have in my loft I donโt lie, thatโs worth over ยฃ100k each, do you want me to sell them at price too? What is the difference?? For fucks sake, stop what you are doing, reflect on who you are, and get a life.
Rant over!
Jealous c**t!
A many a year ago..... I bought art when it was cheap, and when I mean cheap, I bought Banksy works for ยฃ60, invaders for a few pounds etc...
I recently bought a Connor Harrington, received and didnโt like it.
I am being asked how much I am selling it for and people
Want it at the probe I paid for it... the Banksy pieces I have in my loft I donโt lie, thatโs worth over ยฃ100k each, do you want me to sell them at price too? What is the difference?? For fucks sake, stop what you are doing, reflect on who you are, and get a life.
Rant over!
Jealous c**t!
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Masong on Aug 11, 2020 21:03:17 GMT 1, Is this thread all about how much money you have?
Is this thread all about how much money you have?
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Winks on Aug 11, 2020 21:15:01 GMT 1, You sound Jarred off
You sound Jarred off
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by wrigs on Aug 11, 2020 21:16:23 GMT 1, Random thread
Random thread
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 21:19:51 GMT 1, Loft life! Anne Frank and wanksy getting it on ๐
Loft life! Anne Frank and wanksy getting it on ๐
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by graeme on Aug 11, 2020 21:21:01 GMT 1, How many pieces do you have in your loft and where do you live?
How many pieces do you have in your loft and where do you live?
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Lazarus II on Aug 11, 2020 21:21:08 GMT 1,
needs a bit of oxygene perhaps?
needs a bit of oxygene perhaps? |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Lazarus II on Aug 11, 2020 21:23:11 GMT 1, How many pieces do you have in your loft and where do you live?
i have a loft insulation company, gladly do you a cheap quote but iโll need to undertake a full survey.
How many pieces do you have in your loft and where do you live? i have a loft insulation company, gladly do you a cheap quote but iโll need to undertake a full survey. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 21:24:55 GMT 1, Is this the thread where the guy is selling Banksy loft prints for cost?
1. deelish
Is this the thread where the guy is selling Banksy loft prints for cost?
1. deelish
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by mrizzle on Aug 11, 2020 21:27:19 GMT 1, Just an observation but this is a peculiar thread. In your for sale post you said that your circumstances had changed and that this was the reason for sale - not that you didnโt like it. You also encouraged offers and then later said that you were offering it at cost. Now youโve started a thread about flipping and mentioned not selling it at cost so itโs reasonable to assume youโre keen to sell it for more than you paid.
I generally try not to post anything inflammatory or unkind and my post isnโt intended to be such but Iโm really just confused!!
Just an observation but this is a peculiar thread. In your for sale post you said that your circumstances had changed and that this was the reason for sale - not that you didnโt like it. You also encouraged offers and then later said that you were offering it at cost. Now youโve started a thread about flipping and mentioned not selling it at cost so itโs reasonable to assume youโre keen to sell it for more than you paid.
I generally try not to post anything inflammatory or unkind and my post isnโt intended to be such but Iโm really just confused!!
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Dive Jedi on Aug 11, 2020 21:33:45 GMT 1, Loft life! Anne Frank and wanksy getting it on ๐
Loft life! Anne Frank and wanksy getting it on ๐ wow...... |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 21:41:47 GMT 1, Loft life! Anne Frank and wanksy getting it on ๐ wow......
Donโt tell me . You are going to remove any thought of a simple loft joke. Turn it into a nazi thing and ruin everything.., ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ
Go paint a shit shark Jedi ๐ฉ
Loft life! Anne Frank and wanksy getting it on ๐ wow...... Donโt tell me . You are going to remove any thought of a simple loft joke. Turn it into a nazi thing and ruin everything.., ๐คฆ๐ผโโ๏ธ Go paint a shit shark Jedi ๐ฉ |
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avec art
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by avec art on Aug 11, 2020 21:51:56 GMT 1, no it's an authentic response to feeling annoyed by buyers talking down his price, trying to break him down to sell at cost, and accuse him of flipping (not necessarily in that order).
The op is simply pointing out that the same attitude is not adopted when we're talking about Banksy. So a reasonable degree of hypocrisy is being exhibited here.
Ultimately the market will decide I think
no it's an authentic response to feeling annoyed by buyers talking down his price, trying to break him down to sell at cost, and accuse him of flipping (not necessarily in that order).
The op is simply pointing out that the same attitude is not adopted when we're talking about Banksy. So a reasonable degree of hypocrisy is being exhibited here.
Ultimately the market will decide I think
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Masong on Aug 11, 2020 21:54:01 GMT 1, no it's an authentic response to feeling annoyed by buyers talking down his price, trying to break him down to sell at cost, and accuse him of flipping (not necessarily in that order). The op is simply pointing out that the same attitude is not adopted when we're talking about Banksy. So a reasonable degree of hypocrisy is being exhibited here. Ultimately the market will decide I think
If you canโt handle somebody offering you less than you want for something, then maybe selling isnโt your game.
no it's an authentic response to feeling annoyed by buyers talking down his price, trying to break him down to sell at cost, and accuse him of flipping (not necessarily in that order). The op is simply pointing out that the same attitude is not adopted when we're talking about Banksy. So a reasonable degree of hypocrisy is being exhibited here. Ultimately the market will decide I think If you canโt handle somebody offering you less than you want for something, then maybe selling isnโt your game. |
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