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Flipping Art • The Debate, by eD on Aug 12, 2021 17:50:50 GMT 1, Don't hate the player, hate the game – that's how I see flippers.
Would I feel any better if I buy from a gallery/auction as opposed to a flipper - even though they will both pull my pants down on the price? Only difference is galleries legitimise flipping. They give you a bit of paper that says ‘oh, yeah, this is all legit’ and playing by the rules gives us all a nice warm feeling inside right! Disdain for flippers is just the result of supply and demand being demonised by a timeline and a shop front. It happens at every single level in the art world (Geneva Freeport anyone?) Its difficult to accept that the sensibilities of the artists and art are not reflected in the fundamentals of commerce.
Don't hate the player, hate the game – that's how I see flippers.
Would I feel any better if I buy from a gallery/auction as opposed to a flipper - even though they will both pull my pants down on the price? Only difference is galleries legitimise flipping. They give you a bit of paper that says ‘oh, yeah, this is all legit’ and playing by the rules gives us all a nice warm feeling inside right! Disdain for flippers is just the result of supply and demand being demonised by a timeline and a shop front. It happens at every single level in the art world (Geneva Freeport anyone?) Its difficult to accept that the sensibilities of the artists and art are not reflected in the fundamentals of commerce.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by nobokov on Aug 12, 2021 18:30:59 GMT 1, If everyone had to sign a legally binding and enforceable contract to never sell their art, how many people would actually buy art? Everyone will sell art at some point in their lives and anyone buying some art hopes that one day it will be worth more than you pay. Sometimes you have to wait a lifetime, sometimes the value increases immediately. If 5 minutes after you buy something, that piece of paper is worth 5 times what you paid, you evaluate the profit against your enjoyment from keeping and displaying it. It's just common sense.
The only downside of all the flipping going on is that it jacked up the prices for most prints and now galleries expect you on release to pay secondary or tertiary prices for unproven artists. Something that was $250, two years ago is now $2000+ on release. It's ridiculous.
If everyone had to sign a legally binding and enforceable contract to never sell their art, how many people would actually buy art? Everyone will sell art at some point in their lives and anyone buying some art hopes that one day it will be worth more than you pay. Sometimes you have to wait a lifetime, sometimes the value increases immediately. If 5 minutes after you buy something, that piece of paper is worth 5 times what you paid, you evaluate the profit against your enjoyment from keeping and displaying it. It's just common sense.
The only downside of all the flipping going on is that it jacked up the prices for most prints and now galleries expect you on release to pay secondary or tertiary prices for unproven artists. Something that was $250, two years ago is now $2000+ on release. It's ridiculous.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by NYart on Aug 12, 2021 19:26:33 GMT 1, If everyone had to sign a legally binding and enforceable contract to never sell their art, how many people would actually buy art? Everyone will sell art at some point in their lives and anyone buying some art hopes that one day it will be worth more than you pay. Sometimes you have to wait a lifetime, sometimes the value increases immediately. If 5 minutes after you buy something, that piece of paper is worth 5 times what you paid, you evaluate the profit against your enjoyment from keeping and displaying it. It's just common sense. The only downside of all the flipping going on is that it jacked up the prices for most prints and now galleries expect you on release to pay secondary or tertiary prices for unproven artists. Something that was $250, two years ago is now $2000+ on release. It's ridiculous.
For me it’s pretty simple whether I buy something at retail, or keep/sell after I purchase. Do I like it for the price/value, or is there something I’d enjoy more for that money? I bought the Hirst Currency for $2000 because for that amount of money I’d love a small Hirst original. I ended up selling the NFT already because for the prices they’re going for I can buy something I’d like way more. I had full intentions of exchanging it for the physical piece in two months, but money talks, I’ll get something else with the proceeds and enjoy the hell out of that instead.
It definitely does suck getting priced out of artists I enjoy thanks to the secondary prices but, that’s life I suppose.
If everyone had to sign a legally binding and enforceable contract to never sell their art, how many people would actually buy art? Everyone will sell art at some point in their lives and anyone buying some art hopes that one day it will be worth more than you pay. Sometimes you have to wait a lifetime, sometimes the value increases immediately. If 5 minutes after you buy something, that piece of paper is worth 5 times what you paid, you evaluate the profit against your enjoyment from keeping and displaying it. It's just common sense. The only downside of all the flipping going on is that it jacked up the prices for most prints and now galleries expect you on release to pay secondary or tertiary prices for unproven artists. Something that was $250, two years ago is now $2000+ on release. It's ridiculous. For me it’s pretty simple whether I buy something at retail, or keep/sell after I purchase. Do I like it for the price/value, or is there something I’d enjoy more for that money? I bought the Hirst Currency for $2000 because for that amount of money I’d love a small Hirst original. I ended up selling the NFT already because for the prices they’re going for I can buy something I’d like way more. I had full intentions of exchanging it for the physical piece in two months, but money talks, I’ll get something else with the proceeds and enjoy the hell out of that instead. It definitely does suck getting priced out of artists I enjoy thanks to the secondary prices but, that’s life I suppose. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jimini Cricket on Aug 12, 2021 19:37:52 GMT 1, House rules for flipping on this board should be:
1. Don't list it before they have shipped.
2. Photos.
3. No fishing, come with a price.
House rules for flipping on this board should be:
1. Don't list it before they have shipped.
2. Photos.
3. No fishing, come with a price.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by mikegood on Oct 2, 2021 14:29:10 GMT 1, No one asked / mentioned flipping before the "No resell" period is over... One dude on here was trying to flip the recent JC before even getting it, lmao.
There are so many levels to this and you get different levels of hate/love for each:
#1. Flip before shipped.
#2. Flip once received.
#3. Store away "in flat file" (you ALL got these...), flip in a few months or "5 years" ...
****You must REALLY love the art to store it away flat in a file for so long, I guess. lmao.
#4. Flip on Stockx or eBay so no one knows you flipped it - LOL
#5. Flip here to get hated on, unless you're in bucket #3, apparently.
#6. Flip to/with gallery or auction house.
#7. Bless another collector who missed out for cost when you can make profit 
****how many of you have gotten 2 of something from a drop any given one away to a random collector (not a close friend) in this forum or elsewhere for the same as you purchased it for, when you could have flipped it for 2x+? Not talking about a 'brick' you bought extra of.. something actually profitable- Until you've done this, get off your high horse.
No one asked / mentioned flipping before the "No resell" period is over... One dude on here was trying to flip the recent JC before even getting it, lmao. There are so many levels to this and you get different levels of hate/love for each: #1. Flip before shipped. #2. Flip once received. #3. Store away "in flat file" (you ALL got these...), flip in a few months or "5 years" ... ****You must REALLY love the art to store it away flat in a file for so long, I guess. lmao. #4. Flip on Stockx or eBay so no one knows you flipped it - LOL #5. Flip here to get hated on, unless you're in bucket #3, apparently. #6. Flip to/with gallery or auction house. #7. Bless another collector who missed out for cost when you can make profit ****how many of you have gotten 2 of something from a drop any given one away to a random collector (not a close friend) in this forum or elsewhere for the same as you purchased it for, when you could have flipped it for 2x+? Not talking about a 'brick' you bought extra of.. something actually profitable- Until you've done this, get off your high horse. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Lroy on Oct 2, 2021 19:00:12 GMT 1, Flipping on this forum entails people working together as a group/s exchanging private messages and creating a so called demand by individuals who are all working together. Dealers hiding their identities for obvious reasons and also on other platforms like whats app facebook private groups or whatever. A lot are on the Game app' Discord. I have nothing against flippers, I have a lot of mates flipping - I have not enough good computer to rivalize anyway ), the only problem comes when the galeries or merchants ( as Avant Arte 's Parla or Markling Message trains ) leaves people buy more than one artwork, it takes the place of other potential buyers as they buy it per lot of 3 or more... Only for flipping.
Flipping on this forum entails people working together as a group/s exchanging private messages and creating a so called demand by individuals who are all working together. Dealers hiding their identities for obvious reasons and also on other platforms like whats app facebook private groups or whatever. A lot are on the Game app' Discord. I have nothing against flippers, I have a lot of mates flipping - I have not enough good computer to rivalize anyway ), the only problem comes when the galeries or merchants ( as Avant Arte 's Parla or Markling Message trains ) leaves people buy more than one artwork, it takes the place of other potential buyers as they buy it per lot of 3 or more... Only for flipping.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by MattWolf on Oct 6, 2021 8:52:54 GMT 1, Flipping on this forum entails people working together as a group/s exchanging private messages and creating a so called demand by individuals who are all working together. Dealers hiding their identities for obvious reasons and also on other platforms like whats app facebook private groups or whatever. A lot are on the Game app' Discord. I have nothing against flippers, I have a lot of mates flipping - I have not enough good computer to rivalize anyway ), the only problem comes when the galeries or merchants ( as Avant Arte 's Parla or Markling Message trains ) leaves people buy more than one artwork, it takes the place of other potential buyers as they buy it per lot of 3 or more... Only for flipping.
I believe they sold over 1300 of these. Not very flipper friendly 
Flipping on this forum entails people working together as a group/s exchanging private messages and creating a so called demand by individuals who are all working together. Dealers hiding their identities for obvious reasons and also on other platforms like whats app facebook private groups or whatever. A lot are on the Game app' Discord. I have nothing against flippers, I have a lot of mates flipping - I have not enough good computer to rivalize anyway ), the only problem comes when the galeries or merchants ( as Avant Arte 's Parla or Markling Message trains ) leaves people buy more than one artwork, it takes the place of other potential buyers as they buy it per lot of 3 or more... Only for flipping.
I believe they sold over 1300 of these. Not very flipper friendly |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Daniel Silk on Aug 8, 2022 6:05:04 GMT 1, What are the top excuses used by Flippers when selling on a piece of Art?
The one I keep seeing posted on sales threads is -
"The Wife doesn't like it" or "The wife won't let me hang it on the Wall, so I have to sell it" 😂
I have even see one that say that and they haven't actually received the art yet 😂 They order it, and post it straight up for sale, with the reason the Wife doesn't like it 🤣
What other classic excuses have you heard?
What are the top excuses used by Flippers when selling on a piece of Art?
The one I keep seeing posted on sales threads is -
"The Wife doesn't like it" or "The wife won't let me hang it on the Wall, so I have to sell it" 😂
I have even see one that say that and they haven't actually received the art yet 😂 They order it, and post it straight up for sale, with the reason the Wife doesn't like it 🤣
What other classic excuses have you heard?
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Lroy on Oct 27, 2022 18:40:22 GMT 1, I can't see links nor pics on here, why ? am I alone in that case ? Censorship ? Anyway we can't read this article as we have to be a member of Artnet ! so ? nothing
I can't see links nor pics on here, why ? am I alone in that case ? Censorship ? Anyway we can't read this article as we have to be a member of Artnet ! so ? nothing |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by yoss on Oct 27, 2022 22:19:33 GMT 1, you have to be a member to read the full report...sorry i didn't mention that earlier...
you have to be a member to read the full report...sorry i didn't mention that earlier...
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by LJCal on Oct 28, 2022 2:49:45 GMT 1, I think very soon many artists will be begging for flippers to buy their work, in fact the way things are going you're going to see both galleries and artists get a lot less picky. What many fail to grasp is probably a majority of collectors are in it for the money or at least have one eye on it, once artists remove liquidity from their market there will be fewer collectors willing to put their hard earned money into their works. The number of buyers willing to lock up tens, hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars with no scope of being able to recover it if they want or need the money, are going to become pretty thin on the ground in the near future.
I think very soon many artists will be begging for flippers to buy their work, in fact the way things are going you're going to see both galleries and artists get a lot less picky. What many fail to grasp is probably a majority of collectors are in it for the money or at least have one eye on it, once artists remove liquidity from their market there will be fewer collectors willing to put their hard earned money into their works. The number of buyers willing to lock up tens, hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars with no scope of being able to recover it if they want or need the money, are going to become pretty thin on the ground in the near future.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jaylove on Oct 29, 2022 13:55:38 GMT 1, I think very soon many artists will be begging for flippers to buy their work, in fact the way things are going you're going to see both galleries and artists get a lot less picky. What many fail to grasp is probably a majority of collectors are in it for the money or at least have one eye on it, once artists remove liquidity from their market there will be fewer collectors willing to put their hard earned money into their works. The number of buyers willing to lock up tens, hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars with no scope of being able to recover it if they want or need the money, are going to become pretty thin on the ground in the near future.
I think very soon many artists will be begging for flippers to buy their work, in fact the way things are going you're going to see both galleries and artists get a lot less picky. What many fail to grasp is probably a majority of collectors are in it for the money or at least have one eye on it, once artists remove liquidity from their market there will be fewer collectors willing to put their hard earned money into their works. The number of buyers willing to lock up tens, hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars with no scope of being able to recover it if they want or need the money, are going to become pretty thin on the ground in the near future. I’ve been saying this. And it will indeed happen. With asset prices falling and liquidity getting dried up…you think people are going to still spend obscene amounts of money on these artists without much return? Not happening. This is why I stopped buying this year. See what happened to NFTs? I expect the same thing with most artists. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Ace on Oct 29, 2022 18:10:21 GMT 1, Totally agree - collectors are in for the value and this is given if the market is liquid. Don't forget that flippers help the hype of an artist itself and flippers/buyers are now benefitting of a market that is more transparent both in terms of source and information, something which previously was limited for galleries and firms which operates in the art industry as a business model
Totally agree - collectors are in for the value and this is given if the market is liquid. Don't forget that flippers help the hype of an artist itself and flippers/buyers are now benefitting of a market that is more transparent both in terms of source and information, something which previously was limited for galleries and firms which operates in the art industry as a business model
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jimini Cricket on Oct 29, 2022 23:54:11 GMT 1, Too much mediocre art being hyped up. Szabolcs Bozo, Felix Treadwell, Catherine Repko, looking at all of you
Too much mediocre art being hyped up. Szabolcs Bozo, Felix Treadwell, Catherine Repko, looking at all of you
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Daniel Silk on Nov 22, 2022 5:35:53 GMT 1, Out of the top artists talked about most on this forum, I wonder what percentage of each new release is purchased with the idea to Flip it?
I would guess it's maybe over 50% maybe as high as 70% in some cases?
Out of the top artists talked about most on this forum, I wonder what percentage of each new release is purchased with the idea to Flip it?
I would guess it's maybe over 50% maybe as high as 70% in some cases?
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 8:14:05 GMT 1, Out of the top artists talked about most on this forum, I wonder what percentage of each new release is purchased with the idea to Flip it? I would guess it's maybe over 50% maybe as high as 70% in some cases? The ambitions of both buyers are different. I know artists who don't do any flipping and don't put anything up for auction, they want to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands, and then there are artists who every bum has, whether it's just a poster or a 50k print. Maybe a better question ... HOW MUCH FLIPPERS ARE HERE IN THE BOARD ?
Out of the top artists talked about most on this forum, I wonder what percentage of each new release is purchased with the idea to Flip it? I would guess it's maybe over 50% maybe as high as 70% in some cases? I think it depends on the artist. Every artist has a different layer of buyers. It's a bit like with cars, without stepping on anyone's toes, an Aston Martin owner usually has more style and more understatment as a Ferrari driver. The ambitions of both buyers are different. I know artists who don't do any flipping and don't put anything up for auction, they want to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands, and then there are artists who every bum has, whether it's just a poster or a 50k print. Maybe a better question ... HOW MUCH FLIPPERS ARE HERE IN THE BOARD ?
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Fuzzyduck121 on Nov 22, 2022 8:56:45 GMT 1, Too much mediocre art being hyped up. Szabolcs Bozo, Felix Treadwell, Catherine Repko, looking at all of you
don’t get this comment at all
firstly Repko and Treadwell is like apples and oranges
and also, and I say this as a holder of repko, she has zero flip potential so why even mention it on this thread ?
I would rather artists like repko are never flippable so high quality original paintings stay affordable to me
Too much mediocre art being hyped up. Szabolcs Bozo, Felix Treadwell, Catherine Repko, looking at all of you don’t get this comment at all firstly Repko and Treadwell is like apples and oranges and also, and I say this as a holder of repko, she has zero flip potential so why even mention it on this thread ? I would rather artists like repko are never flippable so high quality original paintings stay affordable to me |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jimini Cricket on Nov 22, 2022 21:21:36 GMT 1, Too much mediocre art being hyped up. Szabolcs Bozo, Felix Treadwell, Catherine Repko, looking at all of you don’t get this comment at all firstly Repko and Treadwell is like apples and oranges and also, and I say this as a holder of repko, she has zero flip potential so why even mention it on this thread ? I would rather artists like repko are never flippable so high quality original paintings stay affordable to me
I don't even have an art collection.
Too much mediocre art being hyped up. Szabolcs Bozo, Felix Treadwell, Catherine Repko, looking at all of you don’t get this comment at all firstly Repko and Treadwell is like apples and oranges and also, and I say this as a holder of repko, she has zero flip potential so why even mention it on this thread ? I would rather artists like repko are never flippable so high quality original paintings stay affordable to me Don't get too worked up over what I say. I don't even have an art collection. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by chazawalla on Nov 23, 2022 19:07:21 GMT 1, I have three main principles in my modest collecting.
1. I won’t buy anything I don’t want to display.
2. I don’t buy with profit in mind, but if I’m spending significant money I want to know I can get that back down the road, a $1,000+ picture is an investment, otherwise I’d just go to Etsy and put the rest into my margin account.
3. And finally, when I do sell its because I’m bored of that piece and ready to change it up, and using the funds to buy the next one. And if its worth more than I paid great, thats how I can afford bigger pieces in the future!
To me thats what art collecting is. While flippers are just scalpers trying to make a quick buck, like that redditor who was complaining that his nine orders of yesterdays Kaws release all got cancelled. Fuck that guy.
But I will admit, the flipper crowd is probably good for market liquidity.
I have three main principles in my modest collecting.
1. I won’t buy anything I don’t want to display.
2. I don’t buy with profit in mind, but if I’m spending significant money I want to know I can get that back down the road, a $1,000+ picture is an investment, otherwise I’d just go to Etsy and put the rest into my margin account.
3. And finally, when I do sell its because I’m bored of that piece and ready to change it up, and using the funds to buy the next one. And if its worth more than I paid great, thats how I can afford bigger pieces in the future!
To me thats what art collecting is. While flippers are just scalpers trying to make a quick buck, like that redditor who was complaining that his nine orders of yesterdays Kaws release all got cancelled. Fuck that guy.
But I will admit, the flipper crowd is probably good for market liquidity.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Charlie Bronson on Nov 23, 2022 20:29:33 GMT 1, It’s simple, do what you like with what you buy. I’ve bought a bunch of pieces, with the intent to flip them. Thing is, I’ve always ended up keeping them, except one time, about 12 years ago, when I flipped an Audrey Kawasaki print and made a whopping $80 after shipping. I think I keep them because I either like the pieces, or i’m too lazy to list, pack up and ship out. Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬
It’s simple, do what you like with what you buy. I’ve bought a bunch of pieces, with the intent to flip them. Thing is, I’ve always ended up keeping them, except one time, about 12 years ago, when I flipped an Audrey Kawasaki print and made a whopping $80 after shipping. I think I keep them because I either like the pieces, or i’m too lazy to list, pack up and ship out. Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Artsy 1 on Nov 24, 2022 18:42:14 GMT 1, I know this post may cause issues, and I apologise if you dont like people who flip art.
I am a developer and I make monitors for art sites, and am interested with working with someone who can provide information and in return i can provide checkout scripts and monitors to maximise success.
You can see how they look and what other sites i currently have covered.
I am able to make them for any site and they will respond with half a second of the site launching the item.
I know this post may cause issues, and I apologise if you dont like people who flip art. I am a developer and I make monitors for art sites, and am interested with working with someone who can provide information and in return i can provide checkout scripts and monitors to maximise success. You can see how they look and what other sites i currently have covered. I am able to make them for any site and they will respond with half a second of the site launching the item. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Meskell on Nov 24, 2022 18:55:37 GMT 1, Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬
Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬 It baffles me whenever I see that seasoned collectors have stored posters in their tubes. I'd purchase a dinged poster before I'd buy one that has been sitting in a tube for years. More baffling is how some of them use this as a selling point. "Only removed to take pictures!" |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by eyectopus on Nov 24, 2022 19:14:16 GMT 1, Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬 It baffles me whenever I see that seasoned collectors have stored posters in their tubes. I'd purchase a dinged poster before I'd buy one that has been sitting in a tube for years. More baffling is how some of them use this as a selling point. "Only removed to take pictures!"
Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬 It baffles me whenever I see that seasoned collectors have stored posters in their tubes. I'd purchase a dinged poster before I'd buy one that has been sitting in a tube for years. More baffling is how some of them use this as a selling point. "Only removed to take pictures!" I always wonder how much damage they cause by quickly unrolling these prints for photos. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by amz on Nov 24, 2022 20:47:39 GMT 1, This makes a lot of sense. In reality most of us are not wealthy collectors with $ to spend on whatever whenever. Like all purchases really you might sell it on (donate if of no value) however art can have such high costs $1000s+. Selling on enables more buying down the line. Just a cycle.
This makes a lot of sense. In reality most of us are not wealthy collectors with $ to spend on whatever whenever. Like all purchases really you might sell it on (donate if of no value) however art can have such high costs $1000s+. Selling on enables more buying down the line. Just a cycle.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Jimini Cricket on Nov 24, 2022 21:30:00 GMT 1, Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬 It baffles me whenever I see that seasoned collectors have stored posters in their tubes. I'd purchase a dinged poster before I'd buy one that has been sitting in a tube for years. More baffling is how some of them use this as a selling point. "Only removed to take pictures!"
Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬 It baffles me whenever I see that seasoned collectors have stored posters in their tubes. I'd purchase a dinged poster before I'd buy one that has been sitting in a tube for years. More baffling is how some of them use this as a selling point. "Only removed to take pictures!" They are small business owners. Everything has a price. Dan Nguyen aka Dan.Win resells his editions and originals. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by eyectopus on Nov 24, 2022 22:12:26 GMT 1, This makes a lot of sense. In reality most of us are not wealthy collectors with $ to spend on whatever whenever. Like all purchases really you might sell it on (donate if of no value) however art can have such high costs $1000s+. Selling on enables more buying down the line. Just a cycle.
This makes a lot of sense. In reality most of us are not wealthy collectors with $ to spend on whatever whenever. Like all purchases really you might sell it on (donate if of no value) however art can have such high costs $1000s+. Selling on enables more buying down the line. Just a cycle. There is a difference between flipping and selling on down the line imo. Flipping is planned prior to purchase usually and done with only a regard for profit. A lot of collectors change pieces in their collections over time and sell to make room and funds for other pieces. |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Acme Thunderer on Nov 24, 2022 22:30:10 GMT 1, This makes a lot of sense. In reality most of us are not wealthy collectors with $ to spend on whatever whenever. Like all purchases really you might sell it on (donate if of no value) however art can have such high costs $1000s+. Selling on enables more buying down the line. Just a cycle. There is a difference between flipping and selling on down the line imo. Flipping is planned prior to purchase usually and done with only a regard for profit. A lot of collectors change pieces in their collections over time and sell to make room and funds for other pieces.
Flippers tend to be new accounts with not many posts (mainly FS posts) and selling something recently released, such as this post just now…
This makes a lot of sense. In reality most of us are not wealthy collectors with $ to spend on whatever whenever. Like all purchases really you might sell it on (donate if of no value) however art can have such high costs $1000s+. Selling on enables more buying down the line. Just a cycle. There is a difference between flipping and selling on down the line imo. Flipping is planned prior to purchase usually and done with only a regard for profit. A lot of collectors change pieces in their collections over time and sell to make room and funds for other pieces. You will often find that collectors are those who have been on the forum for a while. Flippers tend to be new accounts with not many posts (mainly FS posts) and selling something recently released, such as this post just now… |
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Humble Art Collector on Nov 24, 2022 22:32:26 GMT 1, From the conversations I have had with other artists, galleries and collectors they see flipping as people looking to make a quick cheap buck at someone else's expense. Maybe it is a hobby, maybe it is a small business, maybe it is a full time gig. What I think mostly annoys artists and other collectors is that "most" flippers are not lovers of the art they are buying and they in it ONLY for the opportunity. Artist hate this because it comes at the expense of their collectors getting the art at the intended price. They see the argument that they should love flippers as false because:
- They end up with the same sells.
- Flippers are not helping get more sells because they are ONLY buying from the artists that would sell out anyway
- they do not care about the artist or the art per se
- if the economy or market is down they will stop buying that artists art. You do not see flippers on Zed1, Saner Edgar, Alex Senna, Farid Rueda, etc.
- most importantly they keep it out of the hands of fans who cannot afford originals and who the original price was targeted towards
Mostly they see it as a lazy opportunistic pursuit of $ not much different than scalping tickets or drug dealing (not my words but a real conversation) not a very honest profession but also not much they can do about it.
From the conversations I have had with other artists, galleries and collectors they see flipping as people looking to make a quick cheap buck at someone else's expense. Maybe it is a hobby, maybe it is a small business, maybe it is a full time gig. What I think mostly annoys artists and other collectors is that "most" flippers are not lovers of the art they are buying and they in it ONLY for the opportunity. Artist hate this because it comes at the expense of their collectors getting the art at the intended price. They see the argument that they should love flippers as false because:
- They end up with the same sells.
- Flippers are not helping get more sells because they are ONLY buying from the artists that would sell out anyway
- they do not care about the artist or the art per se
- if the economy or market is down they will stop buying that artists art. You do not see flippers on Zed1, Saner Edgar, Alex Senna, Farid Rueda, etc.
- most importantly they keep it out of the hands of fans who cannot afford originals and who the original price was targeted towards
Mostly they see it as a lazy opportunistic pursuit of $ not much different than scalping tickets or drug dealing (not my words but a real conversation) not a very honest profession but also not much they can do about it.
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Flipping Art • The Debate, by Charlie Bronson on Nov 25, 2022 1:02:33 GMT 1, Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬 It baffles me whenever I see that seasoned collectors have stored posters in their tubes. I'd purchase a dinged poster before I'd buy one that has been sitting in a tube for years. More baffling is how some of them use this as a selling point. "Only removed to take pictures!"
I have taken just a few pieces that sat in their tubes for years, to frame up, and I haven’t seen any paper damage, cracking etc. I take the piece out of the tube, and let it sit untouched for a few weeks, then slowly unfold it bit by bit every few days, until it’s ready as it’ll ever be to get framed(it never lays flat without weights). Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I haven’t seen any visible damage to any of the ones I’ve done that with. I’m sure there is some damage if you look at the paper under a microscope, but I’m not worried about it.
Whatever the reasons, I have many pieces that are still in their original packaging, tubes included😬 It baffles me whenever I see that seasoned collectors have stored posters in their tubes. I'd purchase a dinged poster before I'd buy one that has been sitting in a tube for years. More baffling is how some of them use this as a selling point. "Only removed to take pictures!" Not to sound like a dick, but it’s a bunch of shit I really don’t care about…Brainwash, Kawasaki, Keyes, some Fairey; not really worried about it. I bought every Brainwash that he released in his first two years of being an “artist”, around 2008/2009. His prints were around $100 then. Worth a lot more now, but I’m not bothered with the idea of keeping them in their tubes; same thing with my old Faireys etc. I have taken just a few pieces that sat in their tubes for years, to frame up, and I haven’t seen any paper damage, cracking etc. I take the piece out of the tube, and let it sit untouched for a few weeks, then slowly unfold it bit by bit every few days, until it’s ready as it’ll ever be to get framed(it never lays flat without weights). Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I haven’t seen any visible damage to any of the ones I’ve done that with. I’m sure there is some damage if you look at the paper under a microscope, but I’m not worried about it. |
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