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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by anodyne13 on Apr 21, 2011 5:22:00 GMT 1, A couple facts about flipping:
- the fewer flippers there are the more you will have to pay for a print that you missed out on from source. So if you like a print that has more potential buyers than prints, you would want for as many flippers as possible to buy the print so it is cheaper to purchase.
- the idea that a print that was sold to a flipper would have otherwise gone directly to you is a false premise with a very low probability of actually happening. It would most likely go to another collector thus taking another print out of the secondary market causing the price you will have to pay to go up.
- the only reason flipping is an issue is that some artists choose to price their prints below what the market price for them is. This automatically creates a very predictable arbitrage situation. Thus the artist themselves create the flippers by pricing below market.
I know when I miss out on a release I hope that lots of flippers are trying to flip it in order to create more supply and bring the selling price lower. I do not understand how everyone doesn't come to the same conclusion.
A couple facts about flipping:
- the fewer flippers there are the more you will have to pay for a print that you missed out on from source. So if you like a print that has more potential buyers than prints, you would want for as many flippers as possible to buy the print so it is cheaper to purchase.
- the idea that a print that was sold to a flipper would have otherwise gone directly to you is a false premise with a very low probability of actually happening. It would most likely go to another collector thus taking another print out of the secondary market causing the price you will have to pay to go up.
- the only reason flipping is an issue is that some artists choose to price their prints below what the market price for them is. This automatically creates a very predictable arbitrage situation. Thus the artist themselves create the flippers by pricing below market.
I know when I miss out on a release I hope that lots of flippers are trying to flip it in order to create more supply and bring the selling price lower. I do not understand how everyone doesn't come to the same conclusion.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by shakey1181 on Apr 21, 2011 8:12:31 GMT 1, Loads of interesting points, obviously an issue that effects a lot of people in this game. I think more than everyday flipping (i.e on ebay by day of release) I was more interested in what i would term supposedly 'justifiable' flipping.
the person has bought a print for ยฃ100, held onto it for 6-12 months and for whatever reason (and sometimes the reasons are the funniest bit) decided to sell at current market rate, say ยฃ500.
My argument is that this is exactly the same as 'textbook' flipping, but seems to carry on all the time on this forum.
I understand flipping is the nature of the beast, but it just surprises me that a lot of people who complain about it, seem to do exactly the same, albeit with a longer time having elapsed in between.
Again, i'm not saying the flipping industry is wholly a bad thing, I've picked up loads of things on here, which although frustrated a bit by the person selling so soon for above cost, they have invariably been lovely people to deal with and always dealt at fair prices.
Loads of interesting points, obviously an issue that effects a lot of people in this game. I think more than everyday flipping (i.e on ebay by day of release) I was more interested in what i would term supposedly 'justifiable' flipping.
the person has bought a print for ยฃ100, held onto it for 6-12 months and for whatever reason (and sometimes the reasons are the funniest bit) decided to sell at current market rate, say ยฃ500.
My argument is that this is exactly the same as 'textbook' flipping, but seems to carry on all the time on this forum.
I understand flipping is the nature of the beast, but it just surprises me that a lot of people who complain about it, seem to do exactly the same, albeit with a longer time having elapsed in between.
Again, i'm not saying the flipping industry is wholly a bad thing, I've picked up loads of things on here, which although frustrated a bit by the person selling so soon for above cost, they have invariably been lovely people to deal with and always dealt at fair prices.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Brushstrokes 75 on Apr 21, 2011 8:45:34 GMT 1, It has nothing to do with what you call textbook flipping, you're omitting that the market can go both ways over 6 months or 1 year...
Usually with flipping it rarely go both ways (rarely not never).
It just doesn't make any sense to compare. I'll compare it again with financial markets. Art is the closest thing (with real estate) that is close to how works a financial market.
Basically, for you daytrading is the same thing than a 6/12 month "investment" in a company. Implications aren't the same.
Daytrading = flipping = you just want to make a buck/you don't care about the art or the artist/you create an instant artificial bubble
6/12 months investment = you still wanted the art at some point/you believe in the artist & his potential/you take a risk higher than flipping (market can go sideways after a year.
You also omit that buying art is an addiction that is quite expensive. People are constantly buying more stuff & while their collection develop they just want bigger pieces (not everyone has unlimited budget or space).
It has nothing to do with what you call textbook flipping, you're omitting that the market can go both ways over 6 months or 1 year...
Usually with flipping it rarely go both ways (rarely not never).
It just doesn't make any sense to compare. I'll compare it again with financial markets. Art is the closest thing (with real estate) that is close to how works a financial market.
Basically, for you daytrading is the same thing than a 6/12 month "investment" in a company. Implications aren't the same.
Daytrading = flipping = you just want to make a buck/you don't care about the art or the artist/you create an instant artificial bubble
6/12 months investment = you still wanted the art at some point/you believe in the artist & his potential/you take a risk higher than flipping (market can go sideways after a year.
You also omit that buying art is an addiction that is quite expensive. People are constantly buying more stuff & while their collection develop they just want bigger pieces (not everyone has unlimited budget or space).
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Harveyn on Apr 21, 2011 9:30:36 GMT 1, You also omit that buying art is an addiction that is quite expensive. People are constantly buying more stuff & while their collection develop they just want bigger pieces (not everyone has unlimited budget or space).
This sums it up perfectly for me. I imagine or hope it is the same for many? Okay there may be a few people who only buy to sell and have no real love of art but I would hope for the majority it is as per the sentiment detailed above.
The only amendment I would add is while their collection and tastes develop/change.
You also omit that buying art is an addiction that is quite expensive. People are constantly buying more stuff & while their collection develop they just want bigger pieces (not everyone has unlimited budget or space). This sums it up perfectly for me. I imagine or hope it is the same for many? Okay there may be a few people who only buy to sell and have no real love of art but I would hope for the majority it is as per the sentiment detailed above. The only amendment I would add is while their collection and tastes develop/change. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by shaunyboy on Apr 21, 2011 11:36:02 GMT 1, If the buyer is buying solely to sell on at a higher price then they are a flipper. Only the flipper themselves know what is going on inside their own head so only they know that they are flippers.
On the other side, I've seen many examples of decent folk on here buying prints they don't want for whatever reason and selling at price paid.
If the buyer is buying solely to sell on at a higher price then they are a flipper. Only the flipper themselves know what is going on inside their own head so only they know that they are flippers.
On the other side, I've seen many examples of decent folk on here buying prints they don't want for whatever reason and selling at price paid.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Daniel Silk on Apr 21, 2011 11:41:44 GMT 1, I would say flipping is when somebody buys a piece and sells it straight away to try and make a profit.
I would say selling anything after say about 6 months is not flipping.
I would say flipping is when somebody buys a piece and sells it straight away to try and make a profit.
I would say selling anything after say about 6 months is not flipping.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by PUD on Apr 21, 2011 12:20:54 GMT 1, I don't think any of us who bought a Banksy 'back in the day' when you could pick up a signed Rat for ยฃ75 could really be classed as flippers, its those that had and still have no interest in the artwork other than ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ's
There are 2 different communities that hate the flippers, the first are those who (like me) used to be able to buy art at leisure, with no bun fights etc and now cant get hold of new art because of greedy bastards (The last Banksy I managed to buty from source was color Trolleys!!)
The second are the flippers themselves who hate other flippers for preventing them from getting their hands on a print for easy money!
Hate it as I do, i doubt you will ever stop it, unless of course the next Banksy print is priced at ยฃ3500.00 each for an edition of 500, then we would see who are the true admirers of his work!!
I don't think any of us who bought a Banksy 'back in the day' when you could pick up a signed Rat for ยฃ75 could really be classed as flippers, its those that had and still have no interest in the artwork other than ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ's
There are 2 different communities that hate the flippers, the first are those who (like me) used to be able to buy art at leisure, with no bun fights etc and now cant get hold of new art because of greedy bastards (The last Banksy I managed to buty from source was color Trolleys!!)
The second are the flippers themselves who hate other flippers for preventing them from getting their hands on a print for easy money!
Hate it as I do, i doubt you will ever stop it, unless of course the next Banksy print is priced at ยฃ3500.00 each for an edition of 500, then we would see who are the true admirers of his work!!
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by caddyshack on Apr 21, 2011 12:23:10 GMT 1, I would say flipping is when somebody buys a piece and sells it straight away to try and make a profit. I would say selling anything after say about 6 months is not flipping.
Here's my twopence worth.
If you buy a print with the sole intention of selling in as soon as they are sold out and with the intention of making a quick few quid, then you are a low life and a flipper.
If you buy a print because you like it, or the artist, or both and then decide a week later that you either don't like it in the flesh, were drunk when you bought it and didn't realise what you were buying, or need to sell it quickly to fund another purchase, then that is okay to sell it. I think most people would admit to this.
I would say flipping is when somebody buys a piece and sells it straight away to try and make a profit. I would say selling anything after say about 6 months is not flipping. Here's my twopence worth. If you buy a print with the sole intention of selling in as soon as they are sold out and with the intention of making a quick few quid, then you are a low life and a flipper. If you buy a print because you like it, or the artist, or both and then decide a week later that you either don't like it in the flesh, were drunk when you bought it and didn't realise what you were buying, or need to sell it quickly to fund another purchase, then that is okay to sell it. I think most people would admit to this. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Chris Keegan on Apr 21, 2011 12:23:29 GMT 1, Certain artists like to sell to the public at 'affordable' prices. That the average art enthusiast can afford. If the open Market value of the work sky rockets it creates a problem that can be exploited. In comes flipping. It's hard work creating a print run of 500. Let alone enough to subdue the flippers.
The paradox being if you print editions of too many, you get seen to be exploiting and profiting from your fans.
If you print to little you are the one that gets exploited. Also making it harder for genuine fans in the process.
Certain artists like to sell to the public at 'affordable' prices. That the average art enthusiast can afford. If the open Market value of the work sky rockets it creates a problem that can be exploited. In comes flipping. It's hard work creating a print run of 500. Let alone enough to subdue the flippers.
The paradox being if you print editions of too many, you get seen to be exploiting and profiting from your fans.
If you print to little you are the one that gets exploited. Also making it harder for genuine fans in the process.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by stickitup on Apr 21, 2011 12:26:19 GMT 1, does that indicate and legitamise your selling habbits silky?
does that indicate and legitamise your selling habbits silky?
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by wizzy on Apr 21, 2011 12:29:16 GMT 1, Wish i was fast enough off the ball at releases, i could flip like a bastard and makes loads of bonce!.
Wish i was fast enough off the ball at releases, i could flip like a bastard and makes loads of bonce!.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by rottenredrooster on Apr 21, 2011 12:57:05 GMT 1, I don't think any of us who bought a Banksy 'back in the day' when you could pick up a signed Rat for ยฃ75 could really be classed as flippers, its those that had and still have no interest in the artwork other than ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ's There are 2 different communities that hate the flippers, the first are those who (like me) used to be able to buy art at leisure, with no bun fights etc and now cant get hold of new art because of greedy bastards (The last Banksy I managed to buty from source was color Trolleys!!) The second are the flippers themselves who hate other flippers for preventing them from getting their hands on a print for easy money! Hate it as I do, i doubt you will ever stop it, unless of course the next Banksy print is priced at ยฃ3500.00 each for an edition of 500, then we would see who are the true admirers of his work!!
You wouldn't see the true admirers of his work if the prints were priced at ยฃ3500. It would cut out those would can just barely afford ยฃ450.
I don't think any of us who bought a Banksy 'back in the day' when you could pick up a signed Rat for ยฃ75 could really be classed as flippers, its those that had and still have no interest in the artwork other than ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ's There are 2 different communities that hate the flippers, the first are those who (like me) used to be able to buy art at leisure, with no bun fights etc and now cant get hold of new art because of greedy bastards (The last Banksy I managed to buty from source was color Trolleys!!) The second are the flippers themselves who hate other flippers for preventing them from getting their hands on a print for easy money! Hate it as I do, i doubt you will ever stop it, unless of course the next Banksy print is priced at ยฃ3500.00 each for an edition of 500, then we would see who are the true admirers of his work!! You wouldn't see the true admirers of his work if the prints were priced at ยฃ3500. It would cut out those would can just barely afford ยฃ450. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Daniel Silk on Apr 21, 2011 13:52:15 GMT 1, does that indicate and legitamise your selling habbits silky?
At the end of the day what anyone does with their money or property is up to them  Nobody can tell them what they can and cant do with it.
does that indicate and legitamise your selling habbits silky? At the end of the day what anyone does with their money or property is up to them Nobody can tell them what they can and cant do with it. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 16:14:18 GMT 1, I don't think any of us who bought a Banksy 'back in the day' when you could pick up a signed Rat for ยฃ75 could really be classed as flippers, its those that had and still have no interest in the artwork other than ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ's There are 2 different communities that hate the flippers, the first are those who (like me) used to be able to buy art at leisure, with no bun fights etc and now cant get hold of new art because of greedy bastards (The last Banksy I managed to buty from source was color Trolleys!!) The second are the flippers themselves who hate other flippers for preventing them from getting their hands on a print for easy money! Hate it as I do, i doubt you will ever stop it, unless of course the next Banksy print is priced at ยฃ3500.00 each for an edition of 500, then we would see who are the true admirers of his work!! You wouldn't see the true admirers of his work if the prints were priced at ยฃ3500. It would cut out those would can just barely afford ยฃ450.
I remember when Banksy prints were ยฃ75 a time. I thought ยฃ75 for a print edition of bla bla. f**k that. Theres Banky's everywhere in Bristol. Why buy a print, when you can get the real thing for free. Besides there is no way that I would have ever been able to afford/justify it at the time anyway.
I agree with most of the points you make Pud, but ยฃ3.5k isn't a test at all. what % of the population do people think could afford that?.
With 4 kids, 5 and under I just wouldn't have any art on my walls at all, without the odd bit of wheeler dealing.
I for one am glad the crazy times of a few years back are over. It was far to consuming, staying up until 2am almost every night. Getting worked up/stressed about missing out on a print.
Originals are the way to go, save on framing costs if you want to and if your patient catch the next Neate, Parla or Banksy when (if you can afford it) maybe for the cost of a Signed Banksy at source. Patients is the key. Theres always something else pretty around the corner  .
I don't think any of us who bought a Banksy 'back in the day' when you could pick up a signed Rat for ยฃ75 could really be classed as flippers, its those that had and still have no interest in the artwork other than ยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃยฃ's There are 2 different communities that hate the flippers, the first are those who (like me) used to be able to buy art at leisure, with no bun fights etc and now cant get hold of new art because of greedy bastards (The last Banksy I managed to buty from source was color Trolleys!!) The second are the flippers themselves who hate other flippers for preventing them from getting their hands on a print for easy money! Hate it as I do, i doubt you will ever stop it, unless of course the next Banksy print is priced at ยฃ3500.00 each for an edition of 500, then we would see who are the true admirers of his work!! You wouldn't see the true admirers of his work if the prints were priced at ยฃ3500. It would cut out those would can just barely afford ยฃ450. I remember when Banksy prints were ยฃ75 a time. I thought ยฃ75 for a print edition of bla bla. f**k that. Theres Banky's everywhere in Bristol. Why buy a print, when you can get the real thing for free. Besides there is no way that I would have ever been able to afford/justify it at the time anyway. I agree with most of the points you make Pud, but ยฃ3.5k isn't a test at all. what % of the population do people think could afford that?. With 4 kids, 5 and under I just wouldn't have any art on my walls at all, without the odd bit of wheeler dealing. I for one am glad the crazy times of a few years back are over. It was far to consuming, staying up until 2am almost every night. Getting worked up/stressed about missing out on a print. Originals are the way to go, save on framing costs if you want to and if your patient catch the next Neate, Parla or Banksy when (if you can afford it) maybe for the cost of a Signed Banksy at source. Patients is the key. Theres always something else pretty around the corner . |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by jakek on Apr 21, 2011 17:39:46 GMT 1, Originals are the way to go, save on framing costs if you want to and if your patient catch the next Neate, Parla or Banksy when (if you can afford it) maybe for the cost of a Signed Banksy at source.
It's taking the thread a little off tangent but i think Slammer's point is very true and more interesting (and we've had plenty of definitions of flippers already).
For the price of a banksy print on the seconday market you can get originals by almost all of the established artists in the "scene". It won't have the banksy kudos but will have been worked on rather than printed by someone else and briefly scribbled on (those pictures of the last obey prints lined up for signing show just what a souless part of the process that is).
But probably more excitingly is the huge amount of art available for under ยฃ50 or ยฃ100 - these artists aren't going to make you a fortune but you can get great work which means a lot to you for a fraction of the price of some of the prints you see on here. Just get along to local art fairs or college shows and have fun!
ps - there are a lot of prints popping up on here for high prices (the sickboy/insect, btoy in the last few hours) - are these still selling? or are they selling so few now that they're trying to make more on each print?
the sickboy one in particular seems expensive when he's being doing great photos and bins for a fraction of the price.
Originals are the way to go, save on framing costs if you want to and if your patient catch the next Neate, Parla or Banksy when (if you can afford it) maybe for the cost of a Signed Banksy at source. It's taking the thread a little off tangent but i think Slammer's point is very true and more interesting (and we've had plenty of definitions of flippers already). For the price of a banksy print on the seconday market you can get originals by almost all of the established artists in the "scene". It won't have the banksy kudos but will have been worked on rather than printed by someone else and briefly scribbled on (those pictures of the last obey prints lined up for signing show just what a souless part of the process that is). But probably more excitingly is the huge amount of art available for under ยฃ50 or ยฃ100 - these artists aren't going to make you a fortune but you can get great work which means a lot to you for a fraction of the price of some of the prints you see on here. Just get along to local art fairs or college shows and have fun! ps - there are a lot of prints popping up on here for high prices (the sickboy/insect, btoy in the last few hours) - are these still selling? or are they selling so few now that they're trying to make more on each print? the sickboy one in particular seems expensive when he's being doing great photos and bins for a fraction of the price. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by des77 on Apr 21, 2011 17:44:14 GMT 1, Originals are the way to go, save on framing costs if you want to and if your patient catch the next Neate, Parla or Banksy when (if you can afford it) maybe for the cost of a Signed Banksy at source. It's taking the thread a little off tangent but i think Slammer's point is very true and more interesting (and we've had plenty of definitions of flippers already).
not if you have a new gallery to promote 
... that was a joke
Originals are the way to go, save on framing costs if you want to and if your patient catch the next Neate, Parla or Banksy when (if you can afford it) maybe for the cost of a Signed Banksy at source. It's taking the thread a little off tangent but i think Slammer's point is very true and more interesting (and we've had plenty of definitions of flippers already). not if you have a new gallery to promote ... that was a joke |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by hlarmy on Apr 21, 2011 17:49:45 GMT 1, Valid points UFC Slammer and Jakek, but a problem with both those arguments is that:
(1) originals take up a lot more space. I took that view a few years ago, sold most of my prints and bought loads of lovely originals (canvasses) from various artists and then moved to Oz for the best part of a year and have since moved back and into a small flat and have nowhere to keep all these canvasses, hence I am trying to sell quite a few of them as they're currently being wasted when they should be on someone's wall. Therefore I would argue that for that reason alone, prints are the way forward
(2) you are assuming that people buy art for the aesthetics only, when in reality I would guess that the majority buy art with one eye on value, and future appreciation.
Valid points UFC Slammer and Jakek, but a problem with both those arguments is that: (1) originals take up a lot more space. I took that view a few years ago, sold most of my prints and bought loads of lovely originals (canvasses) from various artists and then moved to Oz for the best part of a year and have since moved back and into a small flat and have nowhere to keep all these canvasses, hence I am trying to sell quite a few of them as they're currently being wasted when they should be on someone's wall. Therefore I would argue that for that reason alone, prints are the way forward (2) you are assuming that people buy art for the aesthetics only, when in reality I would guess that the majority buy art with one eye on value, and future appreciation. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by jakek on Apr 21, 2011 18:01:47 GMT 1, (1) originals take up a lot more space. {text removed}(2) you are assuming that people buy art for the aesthetics only, when in reality I would guess that the majority buy art with one eye on value, and future appreciation.
I've got some great sketches that are postcard sized or A4 and love them.
With regards to the second point i think you may be right. But i think this bubble has well and truely burst and the only serious money people are likely to make is buy flipping prints from the big names.
I'm lucky enough to have quite full walls now, and when it comes to buying art i decide whether any new piece would displace one of my exisiting pieces...and that takes the money out of the equation to a certain extent. (and also means i've not bought much new lately)
(1) originals take up a lot more space. {text removed}(2) you are assuming that people buy art for the aesthetics only, when in reality I would guess that the majority buy art with one eye on value, and future appreciation. I've got some great sketches that are postcard sized or A4 and love them. With regards to the second point i think you may be right. But i think this bubble has well and truely burst and the only serious money people are likely to make is buy flipping prints from the big names. I'm lucky enough to have quite full walls now, and when it comes to buying art i decide whether any new piece would displace one of my exisiting pieces...and that takes the money out of the equation to a certain extent. (and also means i've not bought much new lately) |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by des77 on Apr 21, 2011 18:23:32 GMT 1, Valid points UFC Slammer and Jakek, but a problem with both those arguments is that: (1) originals take up a lot more space.
Surely that depends which artist you buy ?
Valid points UFC Slammer and Jakek, but a problem with both those arguments is that: (1) originals take up a lot more space. Surely that depends which artist you buy ? |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Francis on Apr 21, 2011 18:38:15 GMT 1, it depends on how much you are liked on here
it depends on how much you are liked on here
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 19:27:04 GMT 1, Valid points UFC Slammer and Jakek, but a problem with both those arguments is that: (1) originals take up a lot more space. I took that view a few years ago, sold most of my prints and bought loads of lovely originals (canvasses) from various artists and then moved to Oz for the best part of a year and have since moved back and into a small flat and have nowhere to keep all these canvasses, hence I am trying to sell quite a few of them as they're currently being wasted when they should be on someone's wall. Therefore I would argue that for that reason alone, prints are the way forward (2) you are assuming that people buy art for the aesthetics only, when in reality I would guess that the majority buy art with one eye on value, and future appreciation.
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I've a couple of Neate prints I would swap for a Neate original if you happen to have one .
(2)Probably hit the nail on the head.
Valid points UFC Slammer and Jakek, but a problem with both those arguments is that: (1) originals take up a lot more space. I took that view a few years ago, sold most of my prints and bought loads of lovely originals (canvasses) from various artists and then moved to Oz for the best part of a year and have since moved back and into a small flat and have nowhere to keep all these canvasses, hence I am trying to sell quite a few of them as they're currently being wasted when they should be on someone's wall. Therefore I would argue that for that reason alone, prints are the way forward (2) you are assuming that people buy art for the aesthetics only, when in reality I would guess that the majority buy art with one eye on value, and future appreciation. (1) I've a couple of Neate prints I would swap for a Neate original if you happen to have one . (2)Probably hit the nail on the head. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 19:30:32 GMT 1, It's taking the thread a little off tangent but i think Slammer's point is very true and more interesting (and we've had plenty of definitions of flippers already). not if you have a new gallery to promote ... that was a joke
It's weird being blue. i remember when i was black and looking at people who were blue and thinking(not very well hidden agenda).
Of course I know your joking D77 .
It's taking the thread a little off tangent but i think Slammer's point is very true and more interesting (and we've had plenty of definitions of flippers already). not if you have a new gallery to promote ... that was a joke It's weird being blue. i remember when i was black and looking at people who were blue and thinking(not very well hidden agenda). Of course I know your joking D77 . |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by gibbin82 on Apr 21, 2011 20:06:22 GMT 1, Some thoughts on the matter:
Flipper
1.A person that lives from another and benefits by deriving profit at the others expense
2.Gets benefit from another but has a detrimental effect on it.
3.A person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return
Note: all of these are also dictionary definitions of PARASITE
Art is about the visual communication of thoughts and feelings and not about making money, when the financial side of things takes precedence then IMO that is flipping.
Some thoughts on the matter:
Flipper
1.A person that lives from another and benefits by deriving profit at the others expense
2.Gets benefit from another but has a detrimental effect on it.
3.A person who habitually relies on or exploits others and gives nothing in return
Note: all of these are also dictionary definitions of PARASITE
Art is about the visual communication of thoughts and feelings and not about making money, when the financial side of things takes precedence then IMO that is flipping.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by wizzy on Apr 21, 2011 20:16:31 GMT 1, Doesnt really matter what anyone thinks does it though? its not illegal or anything, if it was half the Galleries that flog this stuff would be in trouble. Leaves a nasty taste when a person misses out on a release but surely a proportion of those missing out will only be pissed off because they cant flip it, the ones that wanted it for what it is just have to deal with it and thats that, life cant be bleedin roses all the time!. Now if someone could provide me with a signed Banksy for about 2k that i can then sell on for around 2500 i would be quite flipping happy with that ta.
Doesnt really matter what anyone thinks does it though? its not illegal or anything, if it was half the Galleries that flog this stuff would be in trouble. Leaves a nasty taste when a person misses out on a release but surely a proportion of those missing out will only be pissed off because they cant flip it, the ones that wanted it for what it is just have to deal with it and thats that, life cant be bleedin roses all the time!. Now if someone could provide me with a signed Banksy for about 2k that i can then sell on for around 2500 i would be quite flipping happy with that ta.
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 23:20:55 GMT 1, Doesnt really matter what anyone thinks does it though? its not illegal or anything, if it was half the Galleries that flog this stuff would be in trouble. Leaves a nasty taste when a person misses out on a release but surely a proportion of those missing out will only be pissed off because they cant flip it, the ones that wanted it for what it is just have to deal with it and thats that, life cant be bleedin roses all the time!. Now if someone could provide me with a signed Banksy for about 2k that i can then sell on for around 2500 i would be quite flipping happy with that ta.
Both you and I queued at the Vermin show, talking pies etc and neither of us bought anything(actually I did buy a pie). Truth is we both knew they were likely to end up being worth alot more on ebay.
Come and snuggle up with us at the next Banksy print release. I'll bring a Pie from Brizzle for you.
Doesnt really matter what anyone thinks does it though? its not illegal or anything, if it was half the Galleries that flog this stuff would be in trouble. Leaves a nasty taste when a person misses out on a release but surely a proportion of those missing out will only be pissed off because they cant flip it, the ones that wanted it for what it is just have to deal with it and thats that, life cant be bleedin roses all the time!. Now if someone could provide me with a signed Banksy for about 2k that i can then sell on for around 2500 i would be quite flipping happy with that ta. Both you and I queued at the Vermin show, talking pies etc and neither of us bought anything(actually I did buy a pie). Truth is we both knew they were likely to end up being worth alot more on ebay. Come and snuggle up with us at the next Banksy print release. I'll bring a Pie from Brizzle for you. |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Apr 22, 2011 3:06:33 GMT 1, I would say flipping is when somebody buys a piece and sells it straight away to try and make a profit. I would say selling anything after say about 6 months is not flipping.
Agree Dan... & yes its part of the scene.. I was thinking Art aside which other collectables get flipped quickly/make financial gain??
Last year i told the misses i wanted to buy some 'Grange wine' (out of my small bonus) for special occasions, i knew nothing about it (apart from the ones i have sampled were very nice  .. Did some research & yes its gets flipped the same - people queuing up to buy a case then flipping on ebay/Grays etc. www.perthnow.com.au/penfolds-grange-released/story-e6frg4nl-1225710238039
I regular check ebay out and there are bidding wars all the time.
I will be in the queue for the next release whenever that is
I would say flipping is when somebody buys a piece and sells it straight away to try and make a profit. I would say selling anything after say about 6 months is not flipping. Agree Dan... & yes its part of the scene.. I was thinking Art aside which other collectables get flipped quickly/make financial gain?? Last year i told the misses i wanted to buy some 'Grange wine' (out of my small bonus) for special occasions, i knew nothing about it (apart from the ones i have sampled were very nice .. Did some research & yes its gets flipped the same - people queuing up to buy a case then flipping on ebay/Grays etc. www.perthnow.com.au/penfolds-grange-released/story-e6frg4nl-1225710238039 I regular check ebay out and there are bidding wars all the time. I will be in the queue for the next release whenever that is |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2011 7:47:42 GMT 1, Be prepared for a load of English students in the queue now you've let that one out of the bag JJS.......
Be prepared for a load of English students in the queue now you've let that one out of the bag JJS.......
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by hlarmy on Apr 22, 2011 8:05:02 GMT 1, Thanks for the heads up...
With the exception of art and wine, what else is good for flipping .... just out of interest you see 
Thanks for the heads up... With the exception of art and wine, what else is good for flipping .... just out of interest you see |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by Ruggs on Apr 22, 2011 8:09:30 GMT 1, Thanks for the heads up... With the exception of art and wine, what else is good for flipping .... just out of interest you see
A pancake! ;D
Thanks for the heads up... With the exception of art and wine, what else is good for flipping .... just out of interest you see A pancake! ;D |
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Flipping Art โข The Debate, by jusdeep on Apr 22, 2011 8:13:49 GMT 1, The bird ;D
The bird ;D
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Nobody can tell them what they can and cant do with it. 
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.. Did some research & yes its gets flipped the same - people queuing up to buy a case then flipping on ebay/Grays etc. 
