alittle
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by alittle on Dec 16, 2013 14:04:08 GMT 1, Took the plunge about a year ago, and use it exclusively now. Still have a few pieces with Conservation Clear from prior to that time, and the difference is night and day. Will never go back. It is more expensive, but in a way that helps make better choices, as you have to put some real though in to what is going up on the wall.
Took the plunge about a year ago, and use it exclusively now. Still have a few pieces with Conservation Clear from prior to that time, and the difference is night and day. Will never go back. It is more expensive, but in a way that helps make better choices, as you have to put some real though in to what is going up on the wall.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by murdock on Dec 16, 2013 20:21:45 GMT 1, I'm in the same boat. I use Optium Acrylic whenever I can afford it 
I'm in the same boat. I use Optium Acrylic whenever I can afford it |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by iamzero on Dec 16, 2013 20:26:47 GMT 1, I got told from the rep that the museum is simply con clear with an extra coating to stop the reflection. How true that is I don't know as I only buy con clear and he was a rep and is therefore born to lie?
I got told from the rep that the museum is simply con clear with an extra coating to stop the reflection. How true that is I don't know as I only buy con clear and he was a rep and is therefore born to lie?
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Manty on Dec 16, 2013 20:33:34 GMT 1, I got told from the rep that the museum is simply con clear with an extra coating to stop the reflection. How true that is I don't know as I only buy con clear and he was a rep and is therefore born to lie?
not all reps are born to lie :-)
Many are pretty honest
Don't know the answer to your question though
Though wiki says thus---
An antireflective or anti-reflection (AR) coating is a type of optical coating applied to the surface of lenses and other optical devices to reduce reflection. This improves the efficiency of the system since less light is lost. In complex systems such as a telescope, the reduction in reflections also improves the contrast of the image by elimination of stray light. This is especially important in planetary astronomy. In other applications, the primary benefit is the elimination of the reflection itself, such as a coating on eyeglass lenses that makes the eyes of the wearer more visible to others, or a coating to reduce the glint from a covert viewer's binoculars or telescopic sight.
Many coatings consist of transparent thin film structures with alternating layers of contrasting refractive index. Layer thicknesses are chosen to produce destructive interference in the beams reflected from the interfaces, and constructive interference in the corresponding transmitted beams. This makes the structure's performance change with wavelength and incident angle, so that color effects often appear at oblique angles. A wavelength range must be specified when designing or ordering such coatings, but good performance can often be achieved for a relatively wide range of frequencies: usually a choice of IR, visible, or UV is offered.
I got told from the rep that the museum is simply con clear with an extra coating to stop the reflection. How true that is I don't know as I only buy con clear and he was a rep and is therefore born to lie? not all reps are born to lie :-) Many are pretty honest Don't know the answer to your question though Though wiki says thus--- An antireflective or anti-reflection (AR) coating is a type of optical coating applied to the surface of lenses and other optical devices to reduce reflection. This improves the efficiency of the system since less light is lost. In complex systems such as a telescope, the reduction in reflections also improves the contrast of the image by elimination of stray light. This is especially important in planetary astronomy. In other applications, the primary benefit is the elimination of the reflection itself, such as a coating on eyeglass lenses that makes the eyes of the wearer more visible to others, or a coating to reduce the glint from a covert viewer's binoculars or telescopic sight. Many coatings consist of transparent thin film structures with alternating layers of contrasting refractive index. Layer thicknesses are chosen to produce destructive interference in the beams reflected from the interfaces, and constructive interference in the corresponding transmitted beams. This makes the structure's performance change with wavelength and incident angle, so that color effects often appear at oblique angles. A wavelength range must be specified when designing or ordering such coatings, but good performance can often be achieved for a relatively wide range of frequencies: usually a choice of IR, visible, or UV is offered. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by iamzero on Dec 16, 2013 20:50:02 GMT 1, True about the same coating as lenses to stop the reflection.
The fact about reps is still open for debate.
True about the same coating as lenses to stop the reflection.
The fact about reps is still open for debate.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by murdock on Dec 16, 2013 21:27:30 GMT 1, Sure, it's a coat, but the kicker for me is that museum "plexi" is really as invisible as can be and as good as unbreakable if you don't take the hammer to it.
Sure, it's a coat, but the kicker for me is that museum "plexi" is really as invisible as can be and as good as unbreakable if you don't take the hammer to it.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Manty on Dec 16, 2013 21:27:35 GMT 1, True about the same coating as lenses to stop the reflection. The fact about reps is still open for debate.
True about the same coating as lenses to stop the reflection. The fact about reps is still open for debate. Nothing wrong with a bit of debating. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by iamzero on Dec 16, 2013 21:55:00 GMT 1, If it makes you feel any better dude my dislike for estate agents and architects runs a lot deeper. 
If it makes you feel any better dude my dislike for estate agents and architects runs a lot deeper. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Quinnster on Dec 19, 2013 9:04:37 GMT 1, If it makes you feel any better dude my dislike for estate agents and architects runs a lot deeper.ย
Estate agents don't get me started on them....
If it makes you feel any better dude my dislike for estate agents and architects runs a lot deeper.ย Estate agents don't get me started on them.... |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by johnnyh on Dec 19, 2013 9:38:11 GMT 1, All daft in my book why spend all that money when u can't see it. Seems a waste really.
I found putting no glass in works just as well. I tell people it's Museum Extra.
All daft in my book why spend all that money when u can't see it. Seems a waste really.
I found putting no glass in works just as well. I tell people it's Museum Extra.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 14:40:04 GMT 1, The one glass I completely avoid is standard non reflective glass, it sucks the life out of a good print, deadens the colour and sharpness, not so bad tight against an image (don't) but once you raise it a mount or two the prints a sad sorry version of it's former self. Museum is excellent if you can afford it, True Vue conservation is most of my customers choice when worried about fading. Plexi's a g!t for scratching etc but great for shipping(and kids) although most buyers like to see it out of the frame with higher end stuff.
The one glass I completely avoid is standard non reflective glass, it sucks the life out of a good print, deadens the colour and sharpness, not so bad tight against an image (don't) but once you raise it a mount or two the prints a sad sorry version of it's former self. Museum is excellent if you can afford it, True Vue conservation is most of my customers choice when worried about fading. Plexi's a g!t for scratching etc but great for shipping(and kids) although most buyers like to see it out of the frame with higher end stuff.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by iamzero on Dec 19, 2013 16:01:15 GMT 1, I'm just testing a new artglass uv to replace Con Clear as it's meant to be a lot clearer.
I'm just testing a new artglass uv to replace Con Clear as it's meant to be a lot clearer.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by student42 on Dec 19, 2013 16:19:43 GMT 1, I found putting no glass in works just as well. I tell people it's Museum Extra.
Sunlight, even if it is not direct, will cause significant fading over long periods of time, even with archival inks. They are fade resistant not fade proof. Non-archival inks can fade quite a bit in just a couple of years without UV protection.
Additionally air contains many impurities that build up as grime on your walls over time, especially in the vicinity of a kitchen, which will also destroy your artwork.
Not using some sort of UV protective glass is highly ill advised if you care about the longevity of your artwork.
However, for disposable/replaceable open edition type prints, This is not a bad way to go.
Anything I put glass over is done with Museum. The difference in protection plus lack of glare (without the haze of nonglare glass) is clearly evident and worth the money IMHO. If you shop around you can find it pretty cheap. I can get an 18x24" piece for about $40-50 (US) locally at a hobby store. Unfortunately if you go to a frame store they will try to charge you at least 2 to 4 times as much.
I found putting no glass in works just as well. I tell people it's Museum Extra. Sunlight, even if it is not direct, will cause significant fading over long periods of time, even with archival inks. They are fade resistant not fade proof. Non-archival inks can fade quite a bit in just a couple of years without UV protection. Additionally air contains many impurities that build up as grime on your walls over time, especially in the vicinity of a kitchen, which will also destroy your artwork. Not using some sort of UV protective glass is highly ill advised if you care about the longevity of your artwork. However, for disposable/replaceable open edition type prints, This is not a bad way to go. Anything I put glass over is done with Museum. The difference in protection plus lack of glare (without the haze of nonglare glass) is clearly evident and worth the money IMHO. If you shop around you can find it pretty cheap. I can get an 18x24" piece for about $40-50 (US) locally at a hobby store. Unfortunately if you go to a frame store they will try to charge you at least 2 to 4 times as much. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 16:56:06 GMT 1, I'm just testing a new artglass uv to replace Con Clear as it's meant to be a lot clearer. 
I'm just testing a new artglass uv to replace Con Clear as it's meant to be a lot clearer. Let me guess....you've put it down somewhere and can't now find it! |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by chads007 on Dec 19, 2013 17:50:05 GMT 1, Avoid ultravue in any case, its non reflective but it only blocks 65% uv & is not conservation standard. Truvue conservation clear or museum, latter if there's lots of detail in the work
Avoid ultravue in any case, its non reflective but it only blocks 65% uv & is not conservation standard. Truvue conservation clear or museum, latter if there's lots of detail in the work
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by iamzero on Dec 19, 2013 19:09:17 GMT 1, Dude if you can get museum glass for that price then you need to be shipping it to the U.K. I've been on the phone for an hour this morning with a new framing materials supplier and there's not a hope in hell you can buy museum for that money. The new artglass uv is pretty much the same spec as con clear but with the orange tint and ripple effect, a little more money but I'll see if it worth it.
I do know that if I was on 4x more than average wage I'd use nothing but museum but I along with other people around here that I frame for can't justify that price tag of 6x con clear per sheet.
Dude if you can get museum glass for that price then you need to be shipping it to the U.K. I've been on the phone for an hour this morning with a new framing materials supplier and there's not a hope in hell you can buy museum for that money. The new artglass uv is pretty much the same spec as con clear but with the orange tint and ripple effect, a little more money but I'll see if it worth it.
I do know that if I was on 4x more than average wage I'd use nothing but museum but I along with other people around here that I frame for can't justify that price tag of 6x con clear per sheet.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by johnnyh on Dec 21, 2013 7:29:36 GMT 1, I found putting no glass in works just as well. I tell people it's Museum Extra. Sunlight, even if it is not direct, will cause significant fading over long periods of time, even with archival inks. They are fade resistant not fade proof. Non-archival inks can fade quite a bit in just a couple of years without UV protection. Additionally air contains many impurities that build up as grime on your walls over time, especially in the vicinity of a kitchen, which will also destroy your artwork. Not using some sort of UV protective glass is highly ill advised if you care about the longevity of your artwork. However, for disposable/replaceable open edition type prints, This is not a bad way to go. Anything I put glass over is done with Museum. The difference in protection plus lack of glare (without the haze of nonglare glass) is clearly evident and worth the money IMHO. If you shop around you can find it pretty cheap. I can get an 18x24" piece for about $40-50 (US) locally at a hobby store. Unfortunately if you go to a frame store they will try to charge you at least 2 to 4 times as much.
I found putting no glass in works just as well. I tell people it's Museum Extra. Sunlight, even if it is not direct, will cause significant fading over long periods of time, even with archival inks. They are fade resistant not fade proof. Non-archival inks can fade quite a bit in just a couple of years without UV protection. Additionally air contains many impurities that build up as grime on your walls over time, especially in the vicinity of a kitchen, which will also destroy your artwork. Not using some sort of UV protective glass is highly ill advised if you care about the longevity of your artwork. However, for disposable/replaceable open edition type prints, This is not a bad way to go. Anything I put glass over is done with Museum. The difference in protection plus lack of glare (without the haze of nonglare glass) is clearly evident and worth the money IMHO. If you shop around you can find it pretty cheap. I can get an 18x24" piece for about $40-50 (US) locally at a hobby store. Unfortunately if you go to a frame store they will try to charge you at least 2 to 4 times as much. Eh......I do use glass really |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by duggyfresh on Apr 23, 2014 17:25:21 GMT 1, Just stumbled across this ant thoughts?
www.ukiyoe-gallery.com/sunfade.htm
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by iamzero on Apr 23, 2014 17:42:16 GMT 1, Slightly worrying.
Slightly worrying.
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johnnyh
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by johnnyh on Apr 23, 2014 17:42:55 GMT 1, Mmmmmm very interesting just goes to show the ink used in printing seems to make all the difference
Cheers for that chap....never would have thought it made so little difference
Mmmmmm very interesting just goes to show the ink used in printing seems to make all the difference
Cheers for that chap....never would have thought it made so little difference
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by duggyfresh on Apr 23, 2014 18:11:15 GMT 1, Yeah was looking for some cheap framing and found one that fitted the print with mounting included, but no uv protection. So done a bit of research, not saying correct it either, but I did buy Giclee print that said it was uv protected, so maybe there is something more about the inks!!
Yeah was looking for some cheap framing and found one that fitted the print with mounting included, but no uv protection. So done a bit of research, not saying correct it either, but I did buy Giclee print that said it was uv protected, so maybe there is something more about the inks!!
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by iamzero on Apr 23, 2014 19:19:39 GMT 1, I think the inks make all the difference. Modern inks are designed for minimal fading as far as I'm aware but as a self framer I'd still buy Con Clear over standard float glass any day.
I think the inks make all the difference. Modern inks are designed for minimal fading as far as I'm aware but as a self framer I'd still buy Con Clear over standard float glass any day.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 19:29:28 GMT 1, I think the inks make all the difference. Modern inks are designed for minimal fading as far as I'm aware but as a self framer I'd still buy Con Clear over standard float glass any day.
I think the inks make all the difference. Modern inks are designed for minimal fading as far as I'm aware but as a self framer I'd still buy Con Clear over standard float glass any day. Hey man, do you make your frames from scratch? Or order them online, I wouldn't mind framing afew bits my self. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by iamzero on Apr 23, 2014 21:32:20 GMT 1, I make everything from scratch dude from lengths of moulding to glass cutting and mounting.
I make everything from scratch dude from lengths of moulding to glass cutting and mounting.
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alittle
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by alittle on May 3, 2014 14:36:15 GMT 1, I wouldn't put too much stock in to this experiment. These old inks are particularly volatile and fade very quickly.
I wouldn't put too much stock in to this experiment. These old inks are particularly volatile and fade very quickly.
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Sohoria on Jun 27, 2014 14:28:21 GMT 1, I actually think for a 1 or 2 year solution this would be feasible  making me think now to do something similar. If the glass is protected with a layer that does block 98% UV once applied as long as artwork is not touching the glass think good idea for getting work straight up onto the walls.
I actually think for a 1 or 2 year solution this would be feasible making me think now to do something similar. If the glass is protected with a layer that does block 98% UV once applied as long as artwork is not touching the glass think good idea for getting work straight up onto the walls. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by curiousgeorge on Jun 27, 2014 18:20:04 GMT 1, Don't cut corners would be my advice
And get a couple more quotes.ยฃ80 isn't really a high price to pay for years of peace of mind IMO
Don't cut corners would be my advice
And get a couple more quotes.ยฃ80 isn't really a high price to pay for years of peace of mind IMO
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by Sohoria on Jun 27, 2014 18:47:20 GMT 1, I was thinking rather than a print in a portfolio be quick and cheap way to get up onto the walls but will take a look at the link
Link makes for interesting and worrying reading :/ definitely good to know about these things especially if you don't go the museum glass route.
I was thinking rather than a print in a portfolio be quick and cheap way to get up onto the walls but will take a look at the link Link makes for interesting and worrying reading :/ definitely good to know about these things especially if you don't go the museum glass route. |
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UV Protection Glass โข Museum Glass, by johnnyh on Jun 27, 2014 19:24:26 GMT 1, Without getting into which and what is better. Think def look at the piece your framรฎng.
What is it's financial worth as a piece?
Consider how much sunlight it will actually see...
How long will the piece actually spend up on your wall before you change it or flog it.
Most pieces sold at auction are considerably older than the recent influx of protected glass(I think!!) and it does not seem to have done them any harm.
A lot of framing and glass costs are a bit of a waste of time in my honest view...note I did spend a small fortune on framing and glass some of which is worth it and some of it not. Just suggest you really look at the costs as some of the framing and glass alters the cost of a piece dramatically. Originals in general require none of this additional cost
Without getting into which and what is better. Think def look at the piece your framรฎng.
What is it's financial worth as a piece?
Consider how much sunlight it will actually see...
How long will the piece actually spend up on your wall before you change it or flog it.
Most pieces sold at auction are considerably older than the recent influx of protected glass(I think!!) and it does not seem to have done them any harm.
A lot of framing and glass costs are a bit of a waste of time in my honest view...note I did spend a small fortune on framing and glass some of which is worth it and some of it not. Just suggest you really look at the costs as some of the framing and glass alters the cost of a piece dramatically. Originals in general require none of this additional cost
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making me think now to do something similar. If the glass is protected with a layer that does block 98% UV once applied as long as artwork is not touching the glass think good idea for getting work straight up onto the walls. 
