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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by mammal2 on Sept 28, 2008 20:24:14 GMT 1, What is? Like the Rat. Outsourcing is the future. Do it from the pub when ever possible.
What is? Like the Rat. Outsourcing is the future. Do it from the pub when ever possible.
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by butterfly on Sept 29, 2008 10:35:17 GMT 1, Fantastic image, I love it !
Like an artchitect, B draws the sketches and plans while another team implements them.
Plus he does not get caught...
Fantastic image, I love it !
Like an artchitect, B draws the sketches and plans while another team implements them.
Plus he does not get caught...
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by Fake on Sept 29, 2008 11:08:43 GMT 1, We know when Banksy puts it up on his website or not..??.....
We know when Banksy puts it up on his website or not..??.....
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by Deleted on Sept 29, 2008 11:44:01 GMT 1, Has anybody asked Vermin to authenticate this piece yet?...............what? have I missed something?
Has anybody asked Vermin to authenticate this piece yet?...............what? have I missed something?
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by farmergeddon on Sept 29, 2008 12:11:11 GMT 1, Broader than Broadway!
Broader than Broadway!
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by cutty on Sept 29, 2008 23:14:21 GMT 1, Has anybody asked Vermin to authenticate this piece yet?...............what? have I missed something?
I am pretty sure I saw it in the latest L&T flyer.
I think it goes up for auction next week? ??/
HA
Has anybody asked Vermin to authenticate this piece yet?...............what? have I missed something? I am pretty sure I saw it in the latest L&T flyer. I think it goes up for auction next week? ??/ HA |
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by robbsutt on Sept 30, 2008 1:16:31 GMT 1, I'd be hanging on to your Banksy's if I were you.
I'd be hanging on to your Banksy's if I were you.
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by ricosg11 on Sept 30, 2008 3:47:32 GMT 1, the upcoming news, whatever it may be, will do nothing for the price of your screen prints. not trying to be a dick, just realistic. Nothing happened during the ghetto last year and that was one of the most publicized, philanthropic events in quite some time. Whatver is coming will be great, but if youre looking foward to it to push prices youre sorely mistaken.
the upcoming news, whatever it may be, will do nothing for the price of your screen prints. not trying to be a dick, just realistic. Nothing happened during the ghetto last year and that was one of the most publicized, philanthropic events in quite some time. Whatver is coming will be great, but if youre looking foward to it to push prices youre sorely mistaken.
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by moleman on Sept 30, 2008 8:50:43 GMT 1, cant see how you can call it a banksy unless the man is up there. it will make no difference if you kne who he was i would not recognise hirst in the street full of people.
Nice work all the same
cant see how you can call it a banksy unless the man is up there. it will make no difference if you kne who he was i would not recognise hirst in the street full of people.
Nice work all the same
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by worlddomination on Sept 30, 2008 9:51:14 GMT 1, Of course it's a Banksy and everyone knows that there is a NY show it's the worst best kept secret of the year. Could it possibly coincide with an SG in NY too and a release of the Sale Ends print over crimbo...... who knows!
Of course it's a Banksy and everyone knows that there is a NY show it's the worst best kept secret of the year. Could it possibly coincide with an SG in NY too and a release of the Sale Ends print over crimbo...... who knows!
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by Nuno on Sept 30, 2008 10:50:27 GMT 1, the 2nd dec is not a sunday is it?
the 2nd dec is not a sunday is it?
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by doublehelix on Sept 30, 2008 11:12:57 GMT 1, Couple of interesting posts from here seem to have disappeared! Silky?
Couple of interesting posts from here seem to have disappeared! Silky?
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by doublehelix on Sept 30, 2008 11:16:51 GMT 1, The secondary market unofficial exhibition in NYC opened on 2nd December last year.
The secondary market unofficial exhibition in NYC opened on 2nd December last year.
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by achtungbono on Sept 30, 2008 11:49:20 GMT 1, I like it, if its not Banksy, then its a curiously Banksy style image
I like it, if its not Banksy, then its a curiously Banksy style image
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by motor on Sept 30, 2008 11:49:55 GMT 1, Frankie, did you delete your post?
Frankie, did you delete your post?
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by Daniel Silk on Sept 30, 2008 11:59:11 GMT 1, Couple of interesting posts from here seem to have disappeared! Silky?
Nothing to do with me 
I actually come back on this thread to look at it again myself ;D but its gone 
Couple of interesting posts from here seem to have disappeared! Silky? Nothing to do with me I actually come back on this thread to look at it again myself ;D but its gone |
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by doublehelix on Sept 30, 2008 15:25:29 GMT 1, Couple of interesting posts from here seem to have disappeared! Silky? Nothing to do with me I actually come back on this thread to look at it again myself ;D but its gone
Spooky! Frankie?
Couple of interesting posts from here seem to have disappeared! Silky? Nothing to do with me I actually come back on this thread to look at it again myself ;D but its gone Spooky! Frankie? |
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by seidbereit on Sept 30, 2008 15:49:08 GMT 1, I side with Silky, while also understanding Jon's comments. Fact of the matter: if Banksy isn't up on that wall painting himself, then let's not call it a "BANKSY." If Banksy isn't doing this himself, then how is it any different than me downloading one of his stencils and spray-painting it on a wall myself? Fair point. Although, you could argue that the actual art is the creation of the idea. How it is then transposed becomes irrelevant. If this were a massive Nike advertisement (like the one shown on the colossal media website) is it still a Nike advertisement even thought Phil Knight isn't out there painting it or is it a copy of a Nike advertisement? This is an advertisement for Banksy (as is all of his street work). I see no problem with him commissioning this work to be done. I don't see why anyone should. It in no way lessens the creative value of the art. Ironically, this is a painting of a rat painting itself. Self-recognition is considered the highest form of intelligence. anyone else understand this irony?! By Banksy not painting this piece he references the art and the situation. The whole concept can therefore be considered a Banksy art project.
The paragraph I've marked yellow kind of jumped out at me when I read it.... just thinking aloud here, but the following poorly ordered thoughts were those which immediately sprang to mind:
a) is it some sort of statement on the current Pest Control / Vermin debate? (The large rat being PC, the smaller poor replication of a rat being Vermin)
b) a hint at the fact that not all Banksy street pieces are in fact completed by the hand of Banksy (ergo, why should PC then authenticate them as such)
c) the general widespread nature of fake "goods" (the "I love NY t-shirt" logo probably being one of the most faked/copied/bastardised logos which has ever been thought up)
Extremely intriguing stuff and a great thread Jay; I look forward to seeing some more pics when the gantry has been removed! (Hope all's good by the way - long time no hear! ;D)
I side with Silky, while also understanding Jon's comments. Fact of the matter: if Banksy isn't up on that wall painting himself, then let's not call it a "BANKSY." If Banksy isn't doing this himself, then how is it any different than me downloading one of his stencils and spray-painting it on a wall myself? Fair point. Although, you could argue that the actual art is the creation of the idea. How it is then transposed becomes irrelevant. If this were a massive Nike advertisement (like the one shown on the colossal media website) is it still a Nike advertisement even thought Phil Knight isn't out there painting it or is it a copy of a Nike advertisement? This is an advertisement for Banksy (as is all of his street work). I see no problem with him commissioning this work to be done. I don't see why anyone should. It in no way lessens the creative value of the art. Ironically, this is a painting of a rat painting itself. Self-recognition is considered the highest form of intelligence. anyone else understand this irony?! By Banksy not painting this piece he references the art and the situation. The whole concept can therefore be considered a Banksy art project.The paragraph I've marked yellow kind of jumped out at me when I read it.... just thinking aloud here, but the following poorly ordered thoughts were those which immediately sprang to mind: a) is it some sort of statement on the current Pest Control / Vermin debate? (The large rat being PC, the smaller poor replication of a rat being Vermin) b) a hint at the fact that not all Banksy street pieces are in fact completed by the hand of Banksy (ergo, why should PC then authenticate them as such) c) the general widespread nature of fake "goods" (the "I love NY t-shirt" logo probably being one of the most faked/copied/bastardised logos which has ever been thought up) Extremely intriguing stuff and a great thread Jay; I look forward to seeing some more pics when the gantry has been removed! (Hope all's good by the way - long time no hear! ;D) |
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by Alan Craig on Sept 30, 2008 15:51:51 GMT 1, nice post
nice post
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by gozgoz on Sept 30, 2008 15:55:52 GMT 1, jaypaav seidbereit has posted one of the most insightful on this baord for months!
jaypaav seidbereit has posted one of the most insightful on this baord for months!
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by Harveyn on Sept 30, 2008 16:48:13 GMT 1, Great post Seid. Where have you been?
Great post Seid. Where have you been?
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by seidbereit on Sept 30, 2008 19:07:39 GMT 1, Great post Seid. Where have you been?
Hi Neil, I was away for a while a few weeks ago but since then I've just been very busy. Been reading some of the threads here every now and again, but haven't posted a lot. A lot of threads I looked at where you'd expect normal discussion (e.g. that vermin statement one) just deteriorated into two-camp slanging matches though - not that it surprised me - so any inclination I may have had with respect to posting soon vanished. Hey-ho.
Have I missed any new developments in your collection? <-- world's stupidest question!
;D
Great post Seid. Where have you been? Hi Neil, I was away for a while a few weeks ago but since then I've just been very busy. Been reading some of the threads here every now and again, but haven't posted a lot. A lot of threads I looked at where you'd expect normal discussion (e.g. that vermin statement one) just deteriorated into two-camp slanging matches though - not that it surprised me - so any inclination I may have had with respect to posting soon vanished. Hey-ho. Have I missed any new developments in your collection? <-- world's stupidest question! ;D |
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by mammal2 on Sept 30, 2008 21:53:19 GMT 1,
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by spirit on Sept 30, 2008 22:00:49 GMT 1, bloody hell, that video was removed quick!
bloody hell, that video was removed quick!
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by RBK on Oct 1, 2008 6:31:51 GMT 1, Fair point. Although, you could argue that the actual art is the creation of the idea. How it is then transposed becomes irrelevant. If this were a massive Nike advertisement (like the one shown on the colossal media website) is it still a Nike advertisement even thought Phil Knight isn't out there painting it or is it a copy of a Nike advertisement? This is an advertisement for Banksy (as is all of his street work). I see no problem with him commissioning this work to be done. I don't see why anyone should. It in no way lessens the creative value of the art. Ironically, this is a painting of a rat painting itself. Self-recognition is considered the highest form of intelligence. anyone else understand this irony?! By Banksy not painting this piece he references the art and the situation. The whole concept can therefore be considered a Banksy art project.The paragraph I've marked yellow kind of jumped out at me when I read it.... just thinking aloud here, but the following poorly ordered thoughts were those which immediately sprang to mind: a) is it some sort of statement on the current Pest Control / Vermin debate? (The large rat being PC, the smaller poor replication of a rat being Vermin) b) a hint at the fact that not all Banksy street pieces are in fact completed by the hand of Banksy (ergo, why should PC then authenticate them as such) c) the general widespread nature of fake "goods" (the "I love NY t-shirt" logo probably being one of the most faked/copied/bastardised logos which has ever been thought up) Extremely intriguing stuff and a great thread Jay; I look forward to seeing some more pics when the gantry has been removed! (Hope all's good by the way - long time no hear! ;D)
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d) Banksy is in NYC and didn't want everyone and their momma coming out to 'unmask' and/or bother him while he put up a huge piece all by himself.
Fair point. Although, you could argue that the actual art is the creation of the idea. How it is then transposed becomes irrelevant. If this were a massive Nike advertisement (like the one shown on the colossal media website) is it still a Nike advertisement even thought Phil Knight isn't out there painting it or is it a copy of a Nike advertisement? This is an advertisement for Banksy (as is all of his street work). I see no problem with him commissioning this work to be done. I don't see why anyone should. It in no way lessens the creative value of the art. Ironically, this is a painting of a rat painting itself. Self-recognition is considered the highest form of intelligence. anyone else understand this irony?! By Banksy not painting this piece he references the art and the situation. The whole concept can therefore be considered a Banksy art project.The paragraph I've marked yellow kind of jumped out at me when I read it.... just thinking aloud here, but the following poorly ordered thoughts were those which immediately sprang to mind: a) is it some sort of statement on the current Pest Control / Vermin debate? (The large rat being PC, the smaller poor replication of a rat being Vermin) b) a hint at the fact that not all Banksy street pieces are in fact completed by the hand of Banksy (ergo, why should PC then authenticate them as such) c) the general widespread nature of fake "goods" (the "I love NY t-shirt" logo probably being one of the most faked/copied/bastardised logos which has ever been thought up) Extremely intriguing stuff and a great thread Jay; I look forward to seeing some more pics when the gantry has been removed! (Hope all's good by the way - long time no hear! ;D) d) Banksy is in NYC and didn't want everyone and their momma coming out to 'unmask' and/or bother him while he put up a huge piece all by himself. |
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by butterfly on Oct 1, 2008 10:50:08 GMT 1, The paragraph I've marked yellow kind of jumped out at me when I read it.... just thinking aloud here, but the following poorly ordered thoughts were those which immediately sprang to mind: a) is it some sort of statement on the current Pest Control / Vermin debate? (The large rat being PC, the smaller poor replication of a rat being Vermin) b) a hint at the fact that not all Banksy street pieces are in fact completed by the hand of Banksy (ergo, why should PC then authenticate them as such) c) the general widespread nature of fake "goods" (the "I love NY t-shirt" logo probably being one of the most faked/copied/bastardised logos which has ever been thought up) Extremely intriguing stuff and a great thread Jay; I look forward to seeing some more pics when the gantry has been removed! (Hope all's good by the way - long time no hear! ;D) d) Banksy is in NYC and didn't want everyone and their momma coming out to 'unmask' and/or bother him while he put up a huge piece all by himself.
(e) Or the big rat represents an American 'Colossal' rat caught in the Act drawing a Banksy rat.
The paragraph I've marked yellow kind of jumped out at me when I read it.... just thinking aloud here, but the following poorly ordered thoughts were those which immediately sprang to mind: a) is it some sort of statement on the current Pest Control / Vermin debate? (The large rat being PC, the smaller poor replication of a rat being Vermin) b) a hint at the fact that not all Banksy street pieces are in fact completed by the hand of Banksy (ergo, why should PC then authenticate them as such) c) the general widespread nature of fake "goods" (the "I love NY t-shirt" logo probably being one of the most faked/copied/bastardised logos which has ever been thought up) Extremely intriguing stuff and a great thread Jay; I look forward to seeing some more pics when the gantry has been removed! (Hope all's good by the way - long time no hear! ;D) d) Banksy is in NYC and didn't want everyone and their momma coming out to 'unmask' and/or bother him while he put up a huge piece all by himself. (e) Or the big rat represents an American 'Colossal' rat caught in the Act drawing a Banksy rat. |
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by Deleted on Oct 1, 2008 11:21:49 GMT 1, So when we find out this is not a Banksy (unless I have missed an announcement in which case I apologise) are some people still going to wax lyrical about this piece's subversive and profound message. Or are those people going to collect work by the advertising agency with the same blind passion and religious fervour demonstrated for this.
If however it is by the man himself then I don't agree that it doesn't matter that he didnt paint it either. Warhol's method of 'factory' reproduction were part of the philosophy which underpinned his work. Banksy can't claim this. His work has a personal dialogue with the viewer which is central to the best street work of any artist.
I dont mind people helping with colour fills on large areas, thats been going on forever. Saves valuable time when you're working illegally. BUT the work must be by the artists hand imo.
It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds.
Sorry to ramble but I'm trying to work in between sentences and keep getting caught 
So when we find out this is not a Banksy (unless I have missed an announcement in which case I apologise) are some people still going to wax lyrical about this piece's subversive and profound message. Or are those people going to collect work by the advertising agency with the same blind passion and religious fervour demonstrated for this. If however it is by the man himself then I don't agree that it doesn't matter that he didnt paint it either. Warhol's method of 'factory' reproduction were part of the philosophy which underpinned his work. Banksy can't claim this. His work has a personal dialogue with the viewer which is central to the best street work of any artist. I dont mind people helping with colour fills on large areas, thats been going on forever. Saves valuable time when you're working illegally. BUT the work must be by the artists hand imo. It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds. Sorry to ramble but I'm trying to work in between sentences and keep getting caught |
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by mammal2 on Oct 1, 2008 11:29:54 GMT 1, Advert - N BRIEF: n. - A public promotion of some product or service v. - Make reference to; Make a more or less disguised reference to; Give heed (to).
Advert - N BRIEF: n. - A public promotion of some product or service v. - Make reference to; Make a more or less disguised reference to; Give heed (to).
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by edcase on Oct 1, 2008 11:37:24 GMT 1, jaypaav seidbereit has posted one of the most insightful on this baord for months!
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Banksy Rat Mural in NYC - New York, by doublehelix on Oct 1, 2008 11:39:15 GMT 1, If however it is by the man himself then I don't agree that it doesn't matter that he didnt paint it either.
Banksy has used artisans to create his work before, such as this piece:
I don't see how the NYC mural is any different. The idea that a contemporary artist post Duchamp has to craft every or any part of his work is archaic in the extreme, you're talking about craft, not art.
If however it is by the man himself then I don't agree that it doesn't matter that he didnt paint it either. Banksy has used artisans to create his work before, such as this piece: I don't see how the NYC mural is any different. The idea that a contemporary artist post Duchamp has to craft every or any part of his work is archaic in the extreme, you're talking about craft, not art. |
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