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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 15, 2007 21:42:58 GMT 1, There's so much wrong with that I just dunno where to begin. Has anyone ever broken into your house? Don't you worry that the person breaking in has a gun as well? 
Exactly part of my point... and to be fair, most burglaries don't occur during sleeping hours. I could probably understand ownership of firearms in a country like South Africa, where interpersonal crime is rampant, often extraordinarily violent and perpetrated by those with no concept of consequences... but firearm ownership because of property crime is complete overkill and engenders a society of fear, rather than emboldening the citizens it merely emboldens the perpetrators... meanwhile both are in more fear and now, with GUNS!!! Just dunno where this fits in any logical society... the last person who should have a loaded gun is someone in fear.
There's so much wrong with that I just dunno where to begin. Has anyone ever broken into your house? Don't you worry that the person breaking in has a gun as well? Exactly part of my point... and to be fair, most burglaries don't occur during sleeping hours. I could probably understand ownership of firearms in a country like South Africa, where interpersonal crime is rampant, often extraordinarily violent and perpetrated by those with no concept of consequences... but firearm ownership because of property crime is complete overkill and engenders a society of fear, rather than emboldening the citizens it merely emboldens the perpetrators... meanwhile both are in more fear and now, with GUNS!!! Just dunno where this fits in any logical society... the last person who should have a loaded gun is someone in fear. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by aj on Dec 15, 2007 21:43:38 GMT 1, I only shoot things with my camera, it also makes for a nicer subject to discus.
Peace mate.
Merry xmas everyone ;D
I only shoot things with my camera, it also makes for a nicer subject to discus.
Peace mate.
Merry xmas everyone ;D
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 21:46:45 GMT 1, I live in the desert and enjoy going out on my ATV and doing some target shooting. I also sleep better at night knowing I have a loaded 45 three feet away from me in case someone broke into my house. I don't hunt but for those that do I'm not judgmental. When I'm out they go into a locked gun cabinet hidden in a closet. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon but rarely do. There's so much wrong with that I just dunno where to begin. Has anyone ever broken into your house?
Yes, when I lived in Napa California. They didn't get in because I heard them trying to get into the garage. To make a long story short I held them until the police got there. Per the police one of them was carrying a 38. I never saw the 38 because I wouldn't let them move an inch until the police came. Would they have used it against me? Who knows.
I live in the desert and enjoy going out on my ATV and doing some target shooting. I also sleep better at night knowing I have a loaded 45 three feet away from me in case someone broke into my house. I don't hunt but for those that do I'm not judgmental. When I'm out they go into a locked gun cabinet hidden in a closet. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon but rarely do. There's so much wrong with that I just dunno where to begin. Has anyone ever broken into your house? Yes, when I lived in Napa California. They didn't get in because I heard them trying to get into the garage. To make a long story short I held them until the police got there. Per the police one of them was carrying a 38. I never saw the 38 because I wouldn't let them move an inch until the police came. Would they have used it against me? Who knows. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 21:55:29 GMT 1, Don't you worry that the person breaking in has a gun as well? Exactly part of my point... and to be fair, most burglaries don't occur during sleeping hours. I could probably understand ownership of firearms in a country like South Africa, where interpersonal crime is rampant, often extraordinarily violent and perpetrated by those with no concept of consequences... but firearm ownership because of property crime is complete overkill and engenders a society of fear, rather than emboldening the citizens it merely emboldens the perpetrators... meanwhile both are in more fear and now, with GUNS!!! Just dunno where this fits in any logical society... the last person who should have a loaded gun is someone in fear.
I respect and understand your point. We come from different cultures and as such have different opinions. In the US it's been part of our culture from the beginning and is in our Bill of Rights.
I've traveled around the world quite a bit and have always made sure I understand the culture a bit before I get to a new country. I might not agree with some of the things I've seen but I understand and respect the differences. Just because a person does things differently than me (or my country) doesn't make it wrong.
Don't you worry that the person breaking in has a gun as well? Exactly part of my point... and to be fair, most burglaries don't occur during sleeping hours. I could probably understand ownership of firearms in a country like South Africa, where interpersonal crime is rampant, often extraordinarily violent and perpetrated by those with no concept of consequences... but firearm ownership because of property crime is complete overkill and engenders a society of fear, rather than emboldening the citizens it merely emboldens the perpetrators... meanwhile both are in more fear and now, with GUNS!!! Just dunno where this fits in any logical society... the last person who should have a loaded gun is someone in fear. I respect and understand your point. We come from different cultures and as such have different opinions. In the US it's been part of our culture from the beginning and is in our Bill of Rights. I've traveled around the world quite a bit and have always made sure I understand the culture a bit before I get to a new country. I might not agree with some of the things I've seen but I understand and respect the differences. Just because a person does things differently than me (or my country) doesn't make it wrong. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 15, 2007 22:00:47 GMT 1, There's so much wrong with that I just dunno where to begin. Has anyone ever broken into your house? Yes, when I lived in Napa California. They didn't get in because I heard them trying to get into the garage. To make a long story short I held them until the police got there. Per the police one of them was carrying a 38. I never saw the 38 because I wouldn't let them move an inch until the police came. Would they have used it against me? Who knows.
And if guns werent a part of the situation, them hearing you would have scared them away... after all they were attempting to break in to steal something rather than to harm you, someone who wants to indiscriminately harm another seeks out and confirms the victim has no defense mecanism first, or less of a mecanisn than they have, or is totally out of their mind - and this is actually extremely (extraordinarily so) rare in all societies, a true edge-case and if this very, very vague chance is the reasoning behind gun ownership then fear really is the prevailing factor and that just aint good... escalation in weaponry really doesnt solve anything and protects no one.
There's so much wrong with that I just dunno where to begin. Has anyone ever broken into your house? Yes, when I lived in Napa California. They didn't get in because I heard them trying to get into the garage. To make a long story short I held them until the police got there. Per the police one of them was carrying a 38. I never saw the 38 because I wouldn't let them move an inch until the police came. Would they have used it against me? Who knows. And if guns werent a part of the situation, them hearing you would have scared them away... after all they were attempting to break in to steal something rather than to harm you, someone who wants to indiscriminately harm another seeks out and confirms the victim has no defense mecanism first, or less of a mecanisn than they have, or is totally out of their mind - and this is actually extremely (extraordinarily so) rare in all societies, a true edge-case and if this very, very vague chance is the reasoning behind gun ownership then fear really is the prevailing factor and that just aint good... escalation in weaponry really doesnt solve anything and protects no one. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 15, 2007 22:11:25 GMT 1, Exactly part of my point... and to be fair, most burglaries don't occur during sleeping hours. I could probably understand ownership of firearms in a country like South Africa, where interpersonal crime is rampant, often extraordinarily violent and perpetrated by those with no concept of consequences... but firearm ownership because of property crime is complete overkill and engenders a society of fear, rather than emboldening the citizens it merely emboldens the perpetrators... meanwhile both are in more fear and now, with GUNS!!! Just dunno where this fits in any logical society... the last person who should have a loaded gun is someone in fear. I respect and understand your point. We come from different cultures and as such have different opinions. In the US it's been part of our culture from the beginning and is in our Bill of Rights.
No, its not actually... right to bear arms isnt the same as the right to own semi automatic weapons. And the reasoning behind it being in the Bill of Rights isnt for personal protection, its actually for protection against a state gone wrong... you got all those guns and a myriad of very valid excuses and reason and still Bush, Cheney et al get away scot free!
Exactly part of my point... and to be fair, most burglaries don't occur during sleeping hours. I could probably understand ownership of firearms in a country like South Africa, where interpersonal crime is rampant, often extraordinarily violent and perpetrated by those with no concept of consequences... but firearm ownership because of property crime is complete overkill and engenders a society of fear, rather than emboldening the citizens it merely emboldens the perpetrators... meanwhile both are in more fear and now, with GUNS!!! Just dunno where this fits in any logical society... the last person who should have a loaded gun is someone in fear. I respect and understand your point. We come from different cultures and as such have different opinions. In the US it's been part of our culture from the beginning and is in our Bill of Rights. No, its not actually... right to bear arms isnt the same as the right to own semi automatic weapons. And the reasoning behind it being in the Bill of Rights isnt for personal protection, its actually for protection against a state gone wrong... you got all those guns and a myriad of very valid excuses and reason and still Bush, Cheney et al get away scot free! |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 22:16:34 GMT 1, Yes, when I lived in Napa California. They didn't get in because I heard them trying to get into the garage. To make a long story short I held them until the police got there. Per the police one of them was carrying a 38. I never saw the 38 because I wouldn't let them move an inch until the police came. Would they have used it against me? Who knows. And if guns weren't a part of the situation, them hearing you would have scared them away... after all they were attempting to break in to steal something rather than to harm you, someone who wants to indiscriminately harm another seeks out and confirms the victim has no defense mechanism first, or less of a mecanisn than they have, or is totally out of their mind - and this is actually extremely (extraordinarily so) rare in all societies, a true edge-case and if this very, very vague chance is the reasoning behind gun ownership then fear really is the prevailing factor and that just aint good... escalation in weaponry really doesnt solve anything and protects no one.
You make valid points but all I know is I'm here enjoying my day. I'll tell you one thing though, I was glad I had a gun at the time. We live in different times. The "bad" guys are often hyped up on Meth so any rationalization can be thrown out the window as far as what they would or wouldn't do. I have a right to protect myself and my property and like many others choose to take the precautions necessary to do so. Imagine how brazen the bad guys would be if they knew only they were armed?
Yes, when I lived in Napa California. They didn't get in because I heard them trying to get into the garage. To make a long story short I held them until the police got there. Per the police one of them was carrying a 38. I never saw the 38 because I wouldn't let them move an inch until the police came. Would they have used it against me? Who knows. And if guns weren't a part of the situation, them hearing you would have scared them away... after all they were attempting to break in to steal something rather than to harm you, someone who wants to indiscriminately harm another seeks out and confirms the victim has no defense mechanism first, or less of a mecanisn than they have, or is totally out of their mind - and this is actually extremely (extraordinarily so) rare in all societies, a true edge-case and if this very, very vague chance is the reasoning behind gun ownership then fear really is the prevailing factor and that just aint good... escalation in weaponry really doesnt solve anything and protects no one. You make valid points but all I know is I'm here enjoying my day. I'll tell you one thing though, I was glad I had a gun at the time. We live in different times. The "bad" guys are often hyped up on Meth so any rationalization can be thrown out the window as far as what they would or wouldn't do. I have a right to protect myself and my property and like many others choose to take the precautions necessary to do so. Imagine how brazen the bad guys would be if they knew only they were armed? |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by baracass on Dec 15, 2007 22:21:43 GMT 1, Criminal intent aside, mentally unstable people that are pissed off with their lot in life have easy access to firearms and that's a fucked up combination that's protected by your Bill of Rights.
Criminal intent aside, mentally unstable people that are pissed off with their lot in life have easy access to firearms and that's a fucked up combination that's protected by your Bill of Rights.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 22:26:13 GMT 1, I respect and understand your point. We come from different cultures and as such have different opinions. In the US it's been part of our culture from the beginning and is in our Bill of Rights. No, its not actually... right to bear arms isnt the same as the right to own semi automatic weapons. And the reasoning behind it being in the Bill of Rights isnt for personal protection, its actually for protection against a state gone wrong... you got all those guns and a myriad of very valid excuses and reason and still Bush, Cheney et al get away scot free!
Then you must be aware of this: (and I agree with you on automatic weapons)
A recent memorandum opinion for the U.S. Attorney General states:
"For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms. [O]ur examination of the original meaning of the Amendment provides extensive reasons to conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right, and no persuasive basis for either the collective-right or quasi-collective-right views. [T]he broader history of the Anglo-American right of individuals to have and use arms, from England's Revolution of 1688-1689 to the ratification of the Second Amendment a hundred years later, leads to the same conclusion. Finally, the first hundred years of interpretations of the Amendment, and especially the commentaries and case law in the pre-Civil War period closest to the Amendment's ratification, confirm what the text and history of the Second Amendment require."
I respect and understand your point. We come from different cultures and as such have different opinions. In the US it's been part of our culture from the beginning and is in our Bill of Rights. No, its not actually... right to bear arms isnt the same as the right to own semi automatic weapons. And the reasoning behind it being in the Bill of Rights isnt for personal protection, its actually for protection against a state gone wrong... you got all those guns and a myriad of very valid excuses and reason and still Bush, Cheney et al get away scot free!Then you must be aware of this: (and I agree with you on automatic weapons) A recent memorandum opinion for the U.S. Attorney General states: "For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms. [O]ur examination of the original meaning of the Amendment provides extensive reasons to conclude that the Second Amendment secures an individual right, and no persuasive basis for either the collective-right or quasi-collective-right views. [T]he broader history of the Anglo-American right of individuals to have and use arms, from England's Revolution of 1688-1689 to the ratification of the Second Amendment a hundred years later, leads to the same conclusion. Finally, the first hundred years of interpretations of the Amendment, and especially the commentaries and case law in the pre-Civil War period closest to the Amendment's ratification, confirm what the text and history of the Second Amendment require." |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 15, 2007 22:27:35 GMT 1, And if guns weren't a part of the situation, them hearing you would have scared them away... after all they were attempting to break in to steal something rather than to harm you, someone who wants to indiscriminately harm another seeks out and confirms the victim has no defense mechanism first, or less of a mecanisn than they have, or is totally out of their mind - and this is actually extremely (extraordinarily so) rare in all societies, a true edge-case and if this very, very vague chance is the reasoning behind gun ownership then fear really is the prevailing factor and that just aint good... escalation in weaponry really doesnt solve anything and protects no one. You make valid points but all I know is I'm here enjoying my day. I'll tell you one thing though, I was glad I had a gun at the time. We live in different times. The "bad" guys are often hyped up on Meth so any rationalization can be thrown out the window as far as what they would or wouldn't do. I have a right to protect myself and my property and like many others choose to take the precautions necessary to do so. Imagine how brazen the bad guys would be if they knew only they were armed?
Precisely, remove the guns from all! This is precisely the point and cannot be dismissed out of hand, a deadhead out of it on whatever with no access to weaponry is fairly harmless to anyone other than themselves or their charges... armed with a gun and placed into a society ruled by fear and he becomes public enemy number one when in fact he really is societal public victim number one. The right to bear arms has been greatly misappropriated and is used by all sides as a reason behind continuation of the "very screwed up" status quo... "it's pride fucking with you" seriously.. my stepfather used to have and warn me to have a massive maglite for fending off intruders, he's never had a single intruder, I've had several... still dont have that maglite and I feel absolutely safe and sound living in the middle of a city, which is generally where society's detritus congregate... meanwhile he lives in a lovely little commuter village (may as well be a desert) and swears by his never held in anger maglite. The incidences (on both sides of the atlantic) where a murder or gun assault is commited with no motive whatsoever is so limited and rare that it is absolutely no basis whatsoever for relaxation of total and complete gun control.
And if guns weren't a part of the situation, them hearing you would have scared them away... after all they were attempting to break in to steal something rather than to harm you, someone who wants to indiscriminately harm another seeks out and confirms the victim has no defense mechanism first, or less of a mecanisn than they have, or is totally out of their mind - and this is actually extremely (extraordinarily so) rare in all societies, a true edge-case and if this very, very vague chance is the reasoning behind gun ownership then fear really is the prevailing factor and that just aint good... escalation in weaponry really doesnt solve anything and protects no one. You make valid points but all I know is I'm here enjoying my day. I'll tell you one thing though, I was glad I had a gun at the time. We live in different times. The "bad" guys are often hyped up on Meth so any rationalization can be thrown out the window as far as what they would or wouldn't do. I have a right to protect myself and my property and like many others choose to take the precautions necessary to do so. Imagine how brazen the bad guys would be if they knew only they were armed? Precisely, remove the guns from all! This is precisely the point and cannot be dismissed out of hand, a deadhead out of it on whatever with no access to weaponry is fairly harmless to anyone other than themselves or their charges... armed with a gun and placed into a society ruled by fear and he becomes public enemy number one when in fact he really is societal public victim number one. The right to bear arms has been greatly misappropriated and is used by all sides as a reason behind continuation of the "very screwed up" status quo... "it's pride fucking with you" seriously.. my stepfather used to have and warn me to have a massive maglite for fending off intruders, he's never had a single intruder, I've had several... still dont have that maglite and I feel absolutely safe and sound living in the middle of a city, which is generally where society's detritus congregate... meanwhile he lives in a lovely little commuter village (may as well be a desert) and swears by his never held in anger maglite. The incidences (on both sides of the atlantic) where a murder or gun assault is commited with no motive whatsoever is so limited and rare that it is absolutely no basis whatsoever for relaxation of total and complete gun control. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 22:30:44 GMT 1, Criminal intent aside, mentally unstable people that are pissed off with their lot in life have easy access to firearms and that's a f**ked up combination that's protected by your Bill of Rights.
Not so. While you don't need a permit or license in my state to have a gun anyone buying one still needs to have their name run thru the felon list and Federal law prohibits anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective,” as well as those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, from buying a gun.
Criminal intent aside, mentally unstable people that are pissed off with their lot in life have easy access to firearms and that's a f**ked up combination that's protected by your Bill of Rights. Not so. While you don't need a permit or license in my state to have a gun anyone buying one still needs to have their name run thru the felon list and Federal law prohibits anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective,” as well as those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, from buying a gun. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 22:37:02 GMT 1, You make valid points but all I know is I'm here enjoying my day. I'll tell you one thing though, I was glad I had a gun at the time. We live in different times. The "bad" guys are often hyped up on Meth so any rationalization can be thrown out the window as far as what they would or wouldn't do. I have a right to protect myself and my property and like many others choose to take the precautions necessary to do so. Imagine how brazen the bad guys would be if they knew only they were armed? Precisely, remove the guns from all! This is precisely the point and cannot be dismissed out of hand, a deadhead out of it on whatever with no access to weaponry is fairly harmless to anyone other than themselves or their charges... armed with a gun and placed into a society ruled by fear and he becomes public enemy number one when in fact he really is societal public victim number one. The right to bear arms has been greatly misappropriated and is used by all sides as a reason behind continuation of the "very screwed up" status quo... "it's pride f**king with you" seriously.. my stepfather used to have and warn me to have a massive maglite for fending off intruders, he's never had a single intruder, I've had several... still dont have that maglite and I feel absolutely safe and sound living in the middle of a city, which is generally where society's detritus congregate... meanwhile he lives in a lovely little commuter village (may as well be a desert) and swears by his never held in anger maglite. The incidences (on both sides of the atlantic) where a murder or gun assault is commited with no motive whatsoever is so limited and rare that it is absolutely no basis whatsoever for relaxation of total and complete gun control.
Ahhh..We finally agree on something  But how do you remove all the guns and I mean ALL the guns. Do you think the bad guys are going to turn them in?
You make valid points but all I know is I'm here enjoying my day. I'll tell you one thing though, I was glad I had a gun at the time. We live in different times. The "bad" guys are often hyped up on Meth so any rationalization can be thrown out the window as far as what they would or wouldn't do. I have a right to protect myself and my property and like many others choose to take the precautions necessary to do so. Imagine how brazen the bad guys would be if they knew only they were armed? Precisely, remove the guns from all! This is precisely the point and cannot be dismissed out of hand, a deadhead out of it on whatever with no access to weaponry is fairly harmless to anyone other than themselves or their charges... armed with a gun and placed into a society ruled by fear and he becomes public enemy number one when in fact he really is societal public victim number one. The right to bear arms has been greatly misappropriated and is used by all sides as a reason behind continuation of the "very screwed up" status quo... "it's pride f**king with you" seriously.. my stepfather used to have and warn me to have a massive maglite for fending off intruders, he's never had a single intruder, I've had several... still dont have that maglite and I feel absolutely safe and sound living in the middle of a city, which is generally where society's detritus congregate... meanwhile he lives in a lovely little commuter village (may as well be a desert) and swears by his never held in anger maglite. The incidences (on both sides of the atlantic) where a murder or gun assault is commited with no motive whatsoever is so limited and rare that it is absolutely no basis whatsoever for relaxation of total and complete gun control. Ahhh..We finally agree on something But how do you remove all the guns and I mean ALL the guns. Do you think the bad guys are going to turn them in? |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 15, 2007 22:45:54 GMT 1, Precisely, remove the guns from all! This is precisely the point and cannot be dismissed out of hand, a deadhead out of it on whatever with no access to weaponry is fairly harmless to anyone other than themselves or their charges... armed with a gun and placed into a society ruled by fear and he becomes public enemy number one when in fact he really is societal public victim number one. The right to bear arms has been greatly misappropriated and is used by all sides as a reason behind continuation of the "very screwed up" status quo... "it's pride f**king with you" seriously.. my stepfather used to have and warn me to have a massive maglite for fending off intruders, he's never had a single intruder, I've had several... still dont have that maglite and I feel absolutely safe and sound living in the middle of a city, which is generally where society's detritus congregate... meanwhile he lives in a lovely little commuter village (may as well be a desert) and swears by his never held in anger maglite. The incidences (on both sides of the atlantic) where a murder or gun assault is commited with no motive whatsoever is so limited and rare that it is absolutely no basis whatsoever for relaxation of total and complete gun control. Ahhh..We finally agree on something But how do you remove all the guns and I mean ALL the guns. Do you think the bad guys are going to turn them in?
The practicalities of dealing with a situation should be no excuse for inertia for dealing with that situation.
How many people have to die over nickels and dimes, thrown away comments and misunderstandings before some form of positive action is taken. Its the prevalence that engenders it though, imo, pass the law, hold regular amnesties and stop making the f**king things and the bullets... any other course of action is to in some way condone the "massacres and misunderstandings" as simply a "downside" to an extraordinarily limited upside.
Precisely, remove the guns from all! This is precisely the point and cannot be dismissed out of hand, a deadhead out of it on whatever with no access to weaponry is fairly harmless to anyone other than themselves or their charges... armed with a gun and placed into a society ruled by fear and he becomes public enemy number one when in fact he really is societal public victim number one. The right to bear arms has been greatly misappropriated and is used by all sides as a reason behind continuation of the "very screwed up" status quo... "it's pride f**king with you" seriously.. my stepfather used to have and warn me to have a massive maglite for fending off intruders, he's never had a single intruder, I've had several... still dont have that maglite and I feel absolutely safe and sound living in the middle of a city, which is generally where society's detritus congregate... meanwhile he lives in a lovely little commuter village (may as well be a desert) and swears by his never held in anger maglite. The incidences (on both sides of the atlantic) where a murder or gun assault is commited with no motive whatsoever is so limited and rare that it is absolutely no basis whatsoever for relaxation of total and complete gun control. Ahhh..We finally agree on something But how do you remove all the guns and I mean ALL the guns. Do you think the bad guys are going to turn them in? The practicalities of dealing with a situation should be no excuse for inertia for dealing with that situation. How many people have to die over nickels and dimes, thrown away comments and misunderstandings before some form of positive action is taken. Its the prevalence that engenders it though, imo, pass the law, hold regular amnesties and stop making the f**king things and the bullets... any other course of action is to in some way condone the "massacres and misunderstandings" as simply a "downside" to an extraordinarily limited upside. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by dime683 on Dec 15, 2007 22:46:23 GMT 1, mixing guns with art on this forum. bad idea. im all for guns though.
mixing guns with art on this forum. bad idea. im all for guns though.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by baracass on Dec 15, 2007 22:53:46 GMT 1, Criminal intent aside, mentally unstable people that are pissed off with their lot in life have easy access to firearms and that's a f**ked up combination that's protected by your Bill of Rights. Not so. While you don't need a permit or license in my state to have a gun anyone buying one still needs to have their name run thru the felon list and Federal law prohibits anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective,” as well as those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, from buying a gun.
What about the "mentally defective" people who have committed some pretty horrendous mass murders with guns in recent years? Why weren't they on the felon list in the first place? Because it only takes one time to go crackers.
Criminal intent aside, mentally unstable people that are pissed off with their lot in life have easy access to firearms and that's a f**ked up combination that's protected by your Bill of Rights. Not so. While you don't need a permit or license in my state to have a gun anyone buying one still needs to have their name run thru the felon list and Federal law prohibits anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective,” as well as those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, from buying a gun. What about the "mentally defective" people who have committed some pretty horrendous mass murders with guns in recent years? Why weren't they on the felon list in the first place? Because it only takes one time to go crackers. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 22:54:52 GMT 1, mixing guns with art on this forum. bad idea. im all for guns though.
I respectfully disagree. I can think of many artists that use guns in their art. Micallef comes to mind. Maybe it's a good thing when art leads to discussion of the topic being painted.
As I said before I respect everyones point of view. It doesn't mean I agree with it but I respect it. Also, for me, it's good to hear opinions from people that live in a different culture or country concerning something I take for granted.
mixing guns with art on this forum. bad idea. im all for guns though. I respectfully disagree. I can think of many artists that use guns in their art. Micallef comes to mind. Maybe it's a good thing when art leads to discussion of the topic being painted. As I said before I respect everyones point of view. It doesn't mean I agree with it but I respect it. Also, for me, it's good to hear opinions from people that live in a different culture or country concerning something I take for granted. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 22:57:24 GMT 1, Not so. While you don't need a permit or license in my state to have a gun anyone buying one still needs to have their name run thru the felon list and Federal law prohibits anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective,” as well as those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, from buying a gun. What about the "mentally defective" people who have committed some pretty horendous mass murders with guns in recent years? Why weren't they on the felon list in the first place? Because it only takes one time to go crackers.
What if a "mentally defective" person kills someone with a hammer, or a dildo  ? Do we outlaw or control hammers and dildo's?
Not so. While you don't need a permit or license in my state to have a gun anyone buying one still needs to have their name run thru the felon list and Federal law prohibits anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective,” as well as those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, from buying a gun. What about the "mentally defective" people who have committed some pretty horendous mass murders with guns in recent years? Why weren't they on the felon list in the first place? Because it only takes one time to go crackers. What if a "mentally defective" person kills someone with a hammer, or a dildo ? Do we outlaw or control hammers and dildo's? |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by baracass on Dec 15, 2007 23:01:47 GMT 1, One person? No.
One person? No.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 23:06:17 GMT 1,
Good comeback.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by baracass on Dec 15, 2007 23:11:14 GMT 1, I do see your point of view but will agree to disagree though and as it's getting on in the evening on this side of the pond I'll wish you a good evening fella. Take care! Mind those mentally defective dildo waving unstable people ;D
I do see your point of view but will agree to disagree though and as it's getting on in the evening on this side of the pond I'll wish you a good evening fella. Take care! Mind those mentally defective dildo waving unstable people ;D |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 15, 2007 23:11:28 GMT 1, What about the "mentally defective" people who have committed some pretty horendous mass murders with guns in recent years? Why weren't they on the felon list in the first place? Because it only takes one time to go crackers. What if a "mentally defective" person kills someone with a hammer, or a dildo ? Do we outlaw or control hammers and dildo's?
Exactly... and likewise we don't tell everyone to walk around with hammers and dildos for their own protection... we try to treat the mentally defective person... edge cases will ALWAYS happen, and you don't legislate for the edge cases... you legislate for normality and provision for edge cases.
What about the "mentally defective" people who have committed some pretty horendous mass murders with guns in recent years? Why weren't they on the felon list in the first place? Because it only takes one time to go crackers. What if a "mentally defective" person kills someone with a hammer, or a dildo ? Do we outlaw or control hammers and dildo's? Exactly... and likewise we don't tell everyone to walk around with hammers and dildos for their own protection... we try to treat the mentally defective person... edge cases will ALWAYS happen, and you don't legislate for the edge cases... you legislate for normality and provision for edge cases. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by stuey09 on Dec 15, 2007 23:15:46 GMT 1, What about the "mentally defective" people who have committed some pretty horendous mass murders with guns in recent years? Why weren't they on the felon list in the first place? Because it only takes one time to go crackers. What if a "mentally defective" person kills someone with a hammer, or a dildo ? Do we outlaw or control hammers and dildo's?
I can see a problem with this. Would this control of hammers include Toffee Hammers?
What about the "mentally defective" people who have committed some pretty horendous mass murders with guns in recent years? Why weren't they on the felon list in the first place? Because it only takes one time to go crackers. What if a "mentally defective" person kills someone with a hammer, or a dildo ? Do we outlaw or control hammers and dildo's? I can see a problem with this. Would this control of hammers include Toffee Hammers? |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 15, 2007 23:19:29 GMT 1, mixing guns with art on this forum. bad idea. im all for guns though. I respectfully disagree. I can think of many artists that use guns in their art. Micallef comes to mind. Maybe it's a good thing when art leads to discussion of the topic being painted. As I said before I respect everyones point of view. It doesn't mean I agree with it but I respect it. Also, for me, it's good to hear opinions from people that live in a different culture or country concerning something I take for granted.
Entirely agree... if art doesnt provoke thought then it is essentially just pretty (in the eye of the beholder, I can appreciate ugly/grotesque = pretty if you see what I mean), and pretty, alone, doesnt realy cut it for me!
I do see a bit of a dilemma between the message "I" read behind much of the work discussed here and someone who thinks guns are "good"... I would hate it if we all agreed on anyeverything, though.
mixing guns with art on this forum. bad idea. im all for guns though. I respectfully disagree. I can think of many artists that use guns in their art. Micallef comes to mind. Maybe it's a good thing when art leads to discussion of the topic being painted. As I said before I respect everyones point of view. It doesn't mean I agree with it but I respect it. Also, for me, it's good to hear opinions from people that live in a different culture or country concerning something I take for granted. Entirely agree... if art doesnt provoke thought then it is essentially just pretty (in the eye of the beholder, I can appreciate ugly/grotesque = pretty if you see what I mean), and pretty, alone, doesnt realy cut it for me! I do see a bit of a dilemma between the message "I" read behind much of the work discussed here and someone who thinks guns are "good"... I would hate it if we all agreed on anyeverything, though. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 23:24:01 GMT 1, I had to Google "Toffee hammer". Upon further review Toffee Hammers will be excluded as I couldn't find a single case of someone being killed or maimed with one.
I had to Google "Toffee hammer". Upon further review Toffee Hammers will be excluded as I couldn't find a single case of someone being killed or maimed with one.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by stuey09 on Dec 15, 2007 23:33:07 GMT 1, I had to Google "Toffee hammer". Upon further review Toffee Hammers will be excluded as I couldn't find a single case of someone being killed or maimed with one.
That would undoubtedly change if someone attempted to take BONGO's favourite choice of implement off him ;D
I had to Google "Toffee hammer". Upon further review Toffee Hammers will be excluded as I couldn't find a single case of someone being killed or maimed with one. That would undoubtedly change if someone attempted to take BONGO's favourite choice of implement off him ;D |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by numusic on Dec 15, 2007 23:41:01 GMT 1, My point is I don't see anything wrong with owning a gun. I have several and consider it my right to have them. To assume all Americans are "idiots" because of our gun laws is ignorant.
Fuck me.. who invited the pro gun lobby in ? not a member of the NRA by any chance ?
My point is I don't see anything wrong with owning a gun. I have several and consider it my right to have them. To assume all Americans are "idiots" because of our gun laws is ignorant. Fuck me.. who invited the pro gun lobby in ? not a member of the NRA by any chance ? |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by Richard on Dec 15, 2007 23:42:38 GMT 1, Look what I've gone and started now! Makes an interesting read though! 
Back to Banksy...
Look what I've gone and started now! Makes an interesting read though! Back to Banksy... |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 23:43:49 GMT 1, My point is I don't see anything wrong with owning a gun. I have several and consider it my right to have them. To assume all Americans are "idiots" because of our gun laws is ignorant. f**k me.. who invited the pro gun lobby in ? not a member of the NRA by any chance ?
You need some new material.
My point is I don't see anything wrong with owning a gun. I have several and consider it my right to have them. To assume all Americans are "idiots" because of our gun laws is ignorant. f**k me.. who invited the pro gun lobby in ? not a member of the NRA by any chance ? You need some new material. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by numusic on Dec 15, 2007 23:43:58 GMT 1, Criminal intent aside, mentally unstable people that are pissed off with their lot in life have easy access to firearms and that's a f**ked up combination that's protected by your Bill of Rights.
So how did you get yours ?
Criminal intent aside, mentally unstable people that are pissed off with their lot in life have easy access to firearms and that's a f**ked up combination that's protected by your Bill of Rights. So how did you get yours ? |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 15, 2007 23:44:47 GMT 1, Look what I've gone and started now! Makes an interesting read though! Back to Banksy...
I think it was the "founding fathers" that started it with their loosely defined terminology
Look what I've gone and started now! Makes an interesting read though! Back to Banksy... I think it was the "founding fathers" that started it with their loosely defined terminology |
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But how do you remove all the guns and I mean ALL the guns. Do you think the bad guys are going to turn them in? 
? Do we outlaw or control hammers and dildo's? 
