This thread is becoming a nonsense. Ray's government and society allow him the choice to own a gun. He exercises that right and many of his countrymen choose not to exercise that right. It's a choice to own a gun. If he shoots someone with that gun it's an entirely different situation

I choose to drink. My society allows me that choice. If I drink and then drive a car that is an entirley different situation.

Point is - cars and guns don't kill people - dickheads kill people...

IMO Banksy talks more about the people using guns to exercise power over other people rather than guns themselves. Sometimes he subverts this idea, like in CND soldiers, but for me power is a big theme of his, with or without guns. In the words of Wales finest poets, (Goldie Looking Chain) 'Guns don't kill people, rappers do!'

I'm guessing you're a redneck who has no concept of how his individual actions and choices reflect and influence society as a whole? Do you think the artists discussed on this board include guns in their images because they look cool? I'm sure the reasons behind SG being held in Bethlehem are lost on you. Making out that owning guns is ok when a large proportion of the world lives in fear of them on a daily basis makes you an idiot. Try Guns and Ammo forum.

Philosophy Major?

Guys, can we just settle this argument like gentlemen and have a duel at dawn? You may choose your weapons. Oh wait.. that's not gonna work is it

All this loving from the awards thread and infighting from the guns thread is creating too many conflicting emotions in my head... arrrgghh!

All you've said is "its sport" and it involves hitting a target... I just don't get it and you don't seem to want to expand on why you do. I take it I'll have to ask someone else then.

I represented my school in Rugby Union (as a hooker and prop) from the age of 9 to 19, when I hit Uni my size was simply uncompetitive at the level I wanted to play, so stopped.
I ran 400m and 800m (and often the third leg in the 4x100m) for my school, including national trials one year up to the age of 16.
Represented my school from 15 to 19 in field hockey (inside right), and at Uni and for the local town team until about 23.
Outside of school, practiced both judo and tae-kwon-do for fitness from time to time from 9 to early twenties.

Tore my right hamstring badly and have only been involved from a fitness perspective since then.

I am horribly competitive in everything I do, believe me. Now, I don't compete in any organised team sports but throw an extremely mean frisbee (anyone, anyone, anyone? always on the look out for a quick fling!) and juggle for fitness, concentration and relaxation.

I actually took a rifle shooting session or two in the school range when I was about 10 or 11... didnt really get it, putting a little hole in a little piece of paper just doesnt appeal.


The first 4 or 5 pages of this has been interesting but has descended into a bit of a bunfight, which is a bit of a shame. I do ge the sport side of hitting a target with an object, however I really object to guns and just don't think they should have anything to do with sport in any way, shape or form... I don't care if the Olympics are involved, they are hardly a paragon of anything, or indeed ever were... it is a fun two weeks of telly in the night though, beats the vapid quiz shows we get in the UK at the moment.

And seriously, I really am interested in how you reconcile gun ownership with the art discussed here... I have read a multitude of "different cultures" and frankly that doesnt really cut it... a life is a life, US or UK.

I knew this was a banksy forum!