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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 23:45:32 GMT 1, Federal law prohibits anyone who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective,” as well as those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health facility, from buying a gun. So how did you get yours ? 
Somehow that was expected. Shame really.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by numusic on Dec 15, 2007 23:48:12 GMT 1, You got the "fear" mate.. deregulate gun control in the UK and the daily mail would be giving them away free with subscriptions. You own a gun or several, for why ? to protect yourself against crack smoking gun totting rapists ? to protect your material possessions ? Cos your s**t scared ?.. honestly.. I don't get it.
You got the "fear" mate.. deregulate gun control in the UK and the daily mail would be giving them away free with subscriptions. You own a gun or several, for why ? to protect yourself against crack smoking gun totting rapists ? to protect your material possessions ? Cos your s**t scared ?.. honestly.. I don't get it.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by numusic on Dec 15, 2007 23:50:26 GMT 1, So how did you get yours ? Somehow that was expected. Shame really.
Thief ! ;D
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 23:51:28 GMT 1, You got the "fear" mate.. deregulate gun control in the UK and the daily mail would be giving them away free with subscriptions. You own a gun or several, for why ? to protect yourself against crack smoking gun totting rapists ? to protect your material possessions ? Cos your s**t scared ?.. honestly.. I don't get it.
Yes. That's it.
You got the "fear" mate.. deregulate gun control in the UK and the daily mail would be giving them away free with subscriptions. You own a gun or several, for why ? to protect yourself against crack smoking gun totting rapists ? to protect your material possessions ? Cos your s**t scared ?.. honestly.. I don't get it. Yes. That's it. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 15, 2007 23:54:51 GMT 1, Somehow that was expected. Shame really. Thief ! ;D
By "shame really" I meant that this was actually a pretty good discussion with some very insightful, intelligent people. Why you decided to jump in every half hour or so and hurl a few insults is beyond me. But if it makes you feel better about yourself then feel free to continue.
Somehow that was expected. Shame really. Thief ! ;D By "shame really" I meant that this was actually a pretty good discussion with some very insightful, intelligent people. Why you decided to jump in every half hour or so and hurl a few insults is beyond me. But if it makes you feel better about yourself then feel free to continue. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by numusic on Dec 16, 2007 0:58:18 GMT 1, No, but really.. why are you pro gun ? I honestly don't get it. I'll stop being sarcastoc for a minute.. but the NRA and pro gun lobby ? come on...redneck, fear mongering nonsense.. no ?
No, but really.. why are you pro gun ? I honestly don't get it. I'll stop being sarcastoc for a minute.. but the NRA and pro gun lobby ? come on...redneck, fear mongering nonsense.. no ?
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 1:13:23 GMT 1, No, but really.. why would are you pro gun ? I honestly don't get it. I'll stop being sarcastoc for a minute.. but the NRA and pro gun lobby ? come on...redneck, fear mongering nonsense.. no ?
Who said anything about the NRA or the Pro-gun lobby? You're the only one that's brought that up. I don't belong to either. Why would you try to put words in my mouth? Really....
I own guns. I don't tell everyone else they should own guns.
I don't drink alcohol, I tried it once when I was 16 and didn't like it. Personally I think the world would be better off without it but I don't go around telling people they shouldn't do it and would certainly never insult someone for doing it. It's legal and it's their choice.
Redneck? Do you really assume everyone that owns a gun is a Redneck? I feel sorry for you if you really base your opinions of people according to what they own. I mean that.
No, but really.. why would are you pro gun ? I honestly don't get it. I'll stop being sarcastoc for a minute.. but the NRA and pro gun lobby ? come on...redneck, fear mongering nonsense.. no ? Who said anything about the NRA or the Pro-gun lobby? You're the only one that's brought that up. I don't belong to either. Why would you try to put words in my mouth? Really.... I own guns. I don't tell everyone else they should own guns. I don't drink alcohol, I tried it once when I was 16 and didn't like it. Personally I think the world would be better off without it but I don't go around telling people they shouldn't do it and would certainly never insult someone for doing it. It's legal and it's their choice. Redneck? Do you really assume everyone that owns a gun is a Redneck? I feel sorry for you if you really base your opinions of people according to what they own. I mean that. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 1:26:04 GMT 1, No, but really.. why would are you pro gun ? I honestly don't get it. I'll stop being sarcastoc for a minute.. but the NRA and pro gun lobby ? come on...redneck, fear mongering nonsense.. no ?
I have to say "each to their own", but doesnt the pro-gun lobby and their advocates go against everything the artists we discuss here are about or am I getting entirely the wrong end of the stick?
I appreciate not all the artists are necessarily projecting a loose-limbed liberal-ness (I'm certainly none of these, I hope! I try to be polite so sometimes it comes across as being soft... I'm quite militant in my way, just don't like to evangelise unless I have a knee on each of their shoulders) but, "Heavy Weaponry", per se, isnt about the desire to put rockets on elephants and how cool rockets on elephants would be, but more about the stupidification of the terminlogy and idolisation of it... there are other readings I am sure, but certainly the least sympathetic to the artist, imho, is the advocation of arms in any way, shape or form. I might be wrong, if I am then shit, what the fuck have I spent all that money on?!
Likewise, all of the art which attacks personal consumerism and vanity (Beejoir, Banksy, Cauty et al) is about the selfishness, vapidity and hideous double-standards of many in society at large as well as those that blindly, unthinkingly aspire to it. These are the tenets usually (I am being very sweeping, but I would like to think that owning Nazi memoriabilia would in some way point to some sort of interest in Nazis! Likewise the same with this work... its not just pretty pictures, or is it?) held so firmly by the right-wing, capitalist (it doesnt necessarily go hand in hand with, I understand that, but usually) pro-gun, anti-society, pro-individual hard of thinking as both a norm and as something all should aspire to, if you don't then you are in some way external to "normal" society, when in fact to those that can see through the bullshit it is the last refuge. I'm starting to blather...
It just doesn't add up... like I say each to their own, but I am actually finding it hard to understand why someone with those views, and who is willing to defend those views, is actually here. Or have I made a huge misjudgement?
No, but really.. why would are you pro gun ? I honestly don't get it. I'll stop being sarcastoc for a minute.. but the NRA and pro gun lobby ? come on...redneck, fear mongering nonsense.. no ? I have to say "each to their own", but doesnt the pro-gun lobby and their advocates go against everything the artists we discuss here are about or am I getting entirely the wrong end of the stick? I appreciate not all the artists are necessarily projecting a loose-limbed liberal-ness (I'm certainly none of these, I hope! I try to be polite so sometimes it comes across as being soft... I'm quite militant in my way, just don't like to evangelise unless I have a knee on each of their shoulders) but, "Heavy Weaponry", per se, isnt about the desire to put rockets on elephants and how cool rockets on elephants would be, but more about the stupidification of the terminlogy and idolisation of it... there are other readings I am sure, but certainly the least sympathetic to the artist, imho, is the advocation of arms in any way, shape or form. I might be wrong, if I am then shit, what the fuck have I spent all that money on?! Likewise, all of the art which attacks personal consumerism and vanity (Beejoir, Banksy, Cauty et al) is about the selfishness, vapidity and hideous double-standards of many in society at large as well as those that blindly, unthinkingly aspire to it. These are the tenets usually (I am being very sweeping, but I would like to think that owning Nazi memoriabilia would in some way point to some sort of interest in Nazis! Likewise the same with this work... its not just pretty pictures, or is it?) held so firmly by the right-wing, capitalist (it doesnt necessarily go hand in hand with, I understand that, but usually) pro-gun, anti-society, pro-individual hard of thinking as both a norm and as something all should aspire to, if you don't then you are in some way external to "normal" society, when in fact to those that can see through the bullshit it is the last refuge. I'm starting to blather... It just doesn't add up... like I say each to their own, but I am actually finding it hard to understand why someone with those views, and who is willing to defend those views, is actually here. Or have I made a huge misjudgement? |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 1:34:29 GMT 1, That would be like saying if your religious you shouldn't be on here because of all the art that deals with the "religion is a scam" theme. Or am I off base?
If you found out that Banksy was a gun owner would you no longer buy his work and sell what you had?
That would be like saying if your religious you shouldn't be on here because of all the art that deals with the "religion is a scam" theme. Or am I off base?
If you found out that Banksy was a gun owner would you no longer buy his work and sell what you had?
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 1:44:57 GMT 1, That would be like saying if your religious you shouldn't be on here because of all the art that deals with the "religion is a scam" theme. Or am I off base?
More often than not, the target in these instances is organised religion, which is wholly different.
If you hold your religion dear to you and believe unquestionably, dogmatically in the word of "god" as most organised religions instruct, then I would find it a little weird that you are interested in owning art that is often not only disrespectful but often disparaging to your heartfelt belief system, yes...
That said, with for example the Gee Vaucher work on SG at the moment, there is an attempt to debunk some of the hypocracy in organised religions and I can understand why a religious person could be interested in some works, though followers of organised religions make up the majority of people that would call themselves "religious" (in fact, usually not the case, especially in christianity... calling yourself something, doesnt actually make it so! ceci n'est pas un croyant), and these quasi-religious people would probably have their fragile religious house of cards destroyed by such a relevation (though not particularly a new one!! Some be-sandled geezer got the message 2000 years ago!) and hence these followers of organised religion wouldn't feel interested in the work as it should strike them as disrespectful, or like I say, debunking.
That would be like saying if your religious you shouldn't be on here because of all the art that deals with the "religion is a scam" theme. Or am I off base? More often than not, the target in these instances is organised religion, which is wholly different. If you hold your religion dear to you and believe unquestionably, dogmatically in the word of "god" as most organised religions instruct, then I would find it a little weird that you are interested in owning art that is often not only disrespectful but often disparaging to your heartfelt belief system, yes... That said, with for example the Gee Vaucher work on SG at the moment, there is an attempt to debunk some of the hypocracy in organised religions and I can understand why a religious person could be interested in some works, though followers of organised religions make up the majority of people that would call themselves "religious" (in fact, usually not the case, especially in christianity... calling yourself something, doesnt actually make it so! ceci n'est pas un croyant), and these quasi-religious people would probably have their fragile religious house of cards destroyed by such a relevation (though not particularly a new one!! Some be-sandled geezer got the message 2000 years ago!) and hence these followers of organised religion wouldn't feel interested in the work as it should strike them as disrespectful, or like I say, debunking. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 1:45:44 GMT 1, If you found out that Banksy was a gun owner would you no longer buy his work and sell what you had?
Very possibly.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 1:55:34 GMT 1, If you found out that Banksy was a gun owner would you no longer buy his work and sell what you had? Very possibly.
Would the same hold true if you found out that an artist you like belongs to an organized religion? Personally, I think if you limit yourself to works done by artists that only hold the same political/religious beliefs as yourself then your limiting yourself to a whole world of "art".
I would never let an artists religion, political beliefs, or what they owned or didn't own limit what I enjoy, buy, or discuss. But that's just me....
If you found out that Banksy was a gun owner would you no longer buy his work and sell what you had? Very possibly. Would the same hold true if you found out that an artist you like belongs to an organized religion? Personally, I think if you limit yourself to works done by artists that only hold the same political/religious beliefs as yourself then your limiting yourself to a whole world of "art". I would never let an artists religion, political beliefs, or what they owned or didn't own limit what I enjoy, buy, or discuss. But that's just me.... |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 2:03:31 GMT 1, Would the same hold true if you found out that an artist you like belongs to an organized religion? Personally, I think if you limit yourself to works done by artists that only hold the same political/religious beliefs as yourself then your limiting yourself to a whole world of "art". I would never let an artists religion, political beliefs, or what they owned or didn't own limit what I enjoy, buy, or discuss. But that's just me....
its not about having the same beliefs... its about whether they mean it or not... the greatest American of the last 50 years, imho, Bill Hicks said it: THEY HAVE TO f**kING MEAN IT!
If Banksy suddenly revealed he was some pro-gun, pro-war, selfish, right-wing, capitlist then it would go against most of the messages in his work and would therefore just be cashing in and cashing in on "me"... and frankly, to me, his work would become instantly worthless... I don't actually think I would sell... I think I would burn. Interestingly, with Morons, Festival and Sale Ends this is an aspect of his work that I have actually pondered recently, I am not a great fan of these three. Ironic I know (maybe) but I'm not so sure who the joke is actually on, I don't need spoon-feeding but I feel it is potentially directed incorrectly.
That said we do have some very real signifiers that Banksy is actually true to his word, the most obvious of these (especially to the likes of us) is his refusal to cash in on the high prices his prints could/should/would command in the free market.
Would the same hold true if you found out that an artist you like belongs to an organized religion? Personally, I think if you limit yourself to works done by artists that only hold the same political/religious beliefs as yourself then your limiting yourself to a whole world of "art". I would never let an artists religion, political beliefs, or what they owned or didn't own limit what I enjoy, buy, or discuss. But that's just me.... its not about having the same beliefs... its about whether they mean it or not... the greatest American of the last 50 years, imho, Bill Hicks said it: THEY HAVE TO f**kING MEAN IT! If Banksy suddenly revealed he was some pro-gun, pro-war, selfish, right-wing, capitlist then it would go against most of the messages in his work and would therefore just be cashing in and cashing in on "me"... and frankly, to me, his work would become instantly worthless... I don't actually think I would sell... I think I would burn. Interestingly, with Morons, Festival and Sale Ends this is an aspect of his work that I have actually pondered recently, I am not a great fan of these three. Ironic I know (maybe) but I'm not so sure who the joke is actually on, I don't need spoon-feeding but I feel it is potentially directed incorrectly. That said we do have some very real signifiers that Banksy is actually true to his word, the most obvious of these (especially to the likes of us) is his refusal to cash in on the high prices his prints could/should/would command in the free market. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 2:23:07 GMT 1, It's funny you bring up Banksys Morons, I was just thinking of that....The way I read it is that the "joke" is on whoever owns it. Does that mean that whoever owns a "Morons" is one? Of course not. That would be silly.
I'm not defending everyone that owns guns. Read my posts, what I am defending is MY right to own a gun. Somehow I've been made out to be an NRA, Pro-gun lobbying, card carrying, redneck when the fact is I'm none of those. But I must be right? because I own a gun...
As I said earlier, it's a different culture here. Living in Nevada it's hard to meet anyone that doesn't own a gun and honestly, it's no big deal. What I own does not define who I am.
It's funny you bring up Banksys Morons, I was just thinking of that....The way I read it is that the "joke" is on whoever owns it. Does that mean that whoever owns a "Morons" is one? Of course not. That would be silly.
I'm not defending everyone that owns guns. Read my posts, what I am defending is MY right to own a gun. Somehow I've been made out to be an NRA, Pro-gun lobbying, card carrying, redneck when the fact is I'm none of those. But I must be right? because I own a gun...
As I said earlier, it's a different culture here. Living in Nevada it's hard to meet anyone that doesn't own a gun and honestly, it's no big deal. What I own does not define who I am.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 2:40:00 GMT 1, It's funny you bring up Banksys Morons, I was just thinking of that....The way I read it is that the "joke" is on whoever owns it. Does that mean that whoever owns a "Morons" is one? Of course not. That would be silly. I'm not defending everyone that owns guns. Read my posts, what I am defending is MY right to own a gun. Somehow I've been made out to be an NRA, Pro-gun lobbying, card carrying, redneck when the fact is I'm none of those. But I must be right? because I own a gun... As I said earlier, it's a different culture here. Living in Nevada it's hard to meet anyone that doesn't own a gun and honestly, it's no big deal. What I own does not define who I am.
Please note I havent directed any comments directly at you, I know many people with guns or who have a prediliction for them (some of them otherwise very liberal and right-minded people, which often makes me wonder!) and have had very similar discussions with them.
You're not wrong, you are not the sum of the things you own... but by whole-heartedly "buying into" the culture you are in some way condoning the continuation of it. I cannot say for sure, but I do not think I would own a gun if I lived in the US.
As discussed here, my problem is a society which allows you to own a gun, or in fact even acknowledges it as a legal or even vaguely worthwhile item, especially under the very spurious and flimsy terms the US does.
Is it a situation which can be mended? Difficult maybe. Should that difficulty stop us from trying? NO. Do the merits of gun ownership by a few individuals when placed in extreme, edge-case scenarios outweigh the entirely negative effect it has on the whole US society? Absolutely not, as you have mentioned a hammer can do damage, so can a shoelace - as I said, you legislate for normalcy not edge cases. But in legislating for these very minimal potentials, rather than freedom it is in fact a massive set of leg-irons for all... after all, even you own one!
And it is a big deal, just because you are "used" to it, doesnt mean it is not a big deal, it merely shows how desensitised you have become in a fear based society. I really don't want anything to do with an item whose sole purpose is to take a life, why would I?
I spend a lot of time in the Netherlands and I NEVER want to lose the "double take" I do whenever I happen across a dutch policeman's "toolbelt" (and thats not a euphemism!)
It's funny you bring up Banksys Morons, I was just thinking of that....The way I read it is that the "joke" is on whoever owns it. Does that mean that whoever owns a "Morons" is one? Of course not. That would be silly. I'm not defending everyone that owns guns. Read my posts, what I am defending is MY right to own a gun. Somehow I've been made out to be an NRA, Pro-gun lobbying, card carrying, redneck when the fact is I'm none of those. But I must be right? because I own a gun... As I said earlier, it's a different culture here. Living in Nevada it's hard to meet anyone that doesn't own a gun and honestly, it's no big deal. What I own does not define who I am. Please note I havent directed any comments directly at you, I know many people with guns or who have a prediliction for them (some of them otherwise very liberal and right-minded people, which often makes me wonder!) and have had very similar discussions with them. You're not wrong, you are not the sum of the things you own... but by whole-heartedly "buying into" the culture you are in some way condoning the continuation of it. I cannot say for sure, but I do not think I would own a gun if I lived in the US. As discussed here, my problem is a society which allows you to own a gun, or in fact even acknowledges it as a legal or even vaguely worthwhile item, especially under the very spurious and flimsy terms the US does. Is it a situation which can be mended? Difficult maybe. Should that difficulty stop us from trying? NO. Do the merits of gun ownership by a few individuals when placed in extreme, edge-case scenarios outweigh the entirely negative effect it has on the whole US society? Absolutely not, as you have mentioned a hammer can do damage, so can a shoelace - as I said, you legislate for normalcy not edge cases. But in legislating for these very minimal potentials, rather than freedom it is in fact a massive set of leg-irons for all... after all, even you own one! And it is a big deal, just because you are "used" to it, doesnt mean it is not a big deal, it merely shows how desensitised you have become in a fear based society. I really don't want anything to do with an item whose sole purpose is to take a life, why would I? I spend a lot of time in the Netherlands and I NEVER want to lose the "double take" I do whenever I happen across a dutch policeman's "toolbelt" (and thats not a euphemism!) |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 2:46:04 GMT 1, As for Morons, there are a couple of potentials as to who exactly the Morons are... this image in itself doesn't bother me too much, but when allied with Festival and Sales End and I start to wonder. I'm happy to acknowledge all sorts of post-modern, ironic what-have-you but these three images taken together leave me feeling more than a little disrespected, which is the reason they won't be on my walls in the near future.
It is a difficult one, because so much of his work has "society-at-large" as the core of the joke, if you like, and in that respect understanding (or self-defining) where you, yourself, are positioned in relation to that is quite an arrogant act, as I said before: just because you say you are something, doesnt necessarily make it so... "I'm all right, I'm a believer, I get it... therefore its not directed at me and I'm allowed to laugh heartily", meanwhile..?
As for Morons, there are a couple of potentials as to who exactly the Morons are... this image in itself doesn't bother me too much, but when allied with Festival and Sales End and I start to wonder. I'm happy to acknowledge all sorts of post-modern, ironic what-have-you but these three images taken together leave me feeling more than a little disrespected, which is the reason they won't be on my walls in the near future.
It is a difficult one, because so much of his work has "society-at-large" as the core of the joke, if you like, and in that respect understanding (or self-defining) where you, yourself, are positioned in relation to that is quite an arrogant act, as I said before: just because you say you are something, doesnt necessarily make it so... "I'm all right, I'm a believer, I get it... therefore its not directed at me and I'm allowed to laugh heartily", meanwhile..?
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 3:02:39 GMT 1, Perhaps you're right and I am just "desensitised" to it. I hadn't really thought of it that way. But I won't make apologies for owning one.
You see it as an item that can take a life, I see it as an item to save one. I have enough sense to never fire it at someone unless I had to but if that day ever came I wouldn't hesitate. As I said earlier I also enjoy a day out in the desert target shooting with friends.
I would grant you this though...If there was ever a way to get every gun off the street and it meant giving mine up I would do it in a heartbeat.
I should also tell you that I don't own a gun out of "fear" and honestly don't know anyone who does.
Perhaps you're right and I am just "desensitised" to it. I hadn't really thought of it that way. But I won't make apologies for owning one.
You see it as an item that can take a life, I see it as an item to save one. I have enough sense to never fire it at someone unless I had to but if that day ever came I wouldn't hesitate. As I said earlier I also enjoy a day out in the desert target shooting with friends.
I would grant you this though...If there was ever a way to get every gun off the street and it meant giving mine up I would do it in a heartbeat.
I should also tell you that I don't own a gun out of "fear" and honestly don't know anyone who does.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 3:13:04 GMT 1, As for Morons, there are a couple of potentials as to who exactly the Morons are... this image in itself doesn't bother me too much, but when allied with Festival and Sales End and I start to wonder. I'm happy to acknowledge all sorts of post-modern, ironic what-have-you but these three images taken together leave me feeling more than a little disrespected, which is the reason they won't be on my walls in the near future. It is a difficult one, because so much of his work has "society-at-large" as the core of the joke, if you like, and in that respect understanding (or self-defining) where you, yourself, are positioned in relation to that is quite an arrogant act, as I said before: just because you say you are something, doesnt necessarily make it so... "I'm all right, I'm a believer, I get it... therefore its not directed at me and I'm allowed to laugh heartily", meanwhile..?
Excellent points. Some say Morons is his most brilliant piece but I see it as a jab at those who pay huge amounts on the secondary market. As far as the prices and him being able to get more if he wanted...it's still a pretty good sum of money for a print and I wouldn't be surprised if Banksy has a laugh at the difference in price his signature makes. Maybe that's why he signed some in what appears to be crayon or something like that with the Trolly's release. He's surely a millionaire by now and the prices do increase with each release.
As for Morons, there are a couple of potentials as to who exactly the Morons are... this image in itself doesn't bother me too much, but when allied with Festival and Sales End and I start to wonder. I'm happy to acknowledge all sorts of post-modern, ironic what-have-you but these three images taken together leave me feeling more than a little disrespected, which is the reason they won't be on my walls in the near future. It is a difficult one, because so much of his work has "society-at-large" as the core of the joke, if you like, and in that respect understanding (or self-defining) where you, yourself, are positioned in relation to that is quite an arrogant act, as I said before: just because you say you are something, doesnt necessarily make it so... "I'm all right, I'm a believer, I get it... therefore its not directed at me and I'm allowed to laugh heartily", meanwhile..? Excellent points. Some say Morons is his most brilliant piece but I see it as a jab at those who pay huge amounts on the secondary market. As far as the prices and him being able to get more if he wanted...it's still a pretty good sum of money for a print and I wouldn't be surprised if Banksy has a laugh at the difference in price his signature makes. Maybe that's why he signed some in what appears to be crayon or something like that with the Trolly's release. He's surely a millionaire by now and the prices do increase with each release. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 3:17:55 GMT 1, Perhaps you're right and I am just "desensitised" to it. I hadn't really thought of it that way. But I won't make apologies for owning one. You see it as an item that can take a life, I see it as an item to save one. I have enough sense to never fire it at someone unless I had to but if that day ever came I wouldn't hesitate. As I said earlier I also enjoy a day out in the desert target shooting with friends. I would grant you this though...If there was ever a way to get every gun off the street and it meant giving mine up I would do it in a heartbeat.
I don't really agree with sports shooting either (get an xbox!), down to personal experience as a teenager... I live in one of the parts of the UK that seems to think it is part of our heritage (it is part of the heritage of a very, very tiny and rich minority) and as such, beating (chasing game birds from the undergrowth) and also clay pigeon firing is quite a handy and normal part-time weekend job for teenagers... something I did, and some of my friends and brothers... but with two school friends down (read as dead) due to horse-faced, feckless weekend charlies (read as Cheney, in the US - it was him that shot that guy in the face right? Or was it Rumsfeld? Get them muddled up all the time) not knowing how to tell when a gun is loaded or not, regardless of pointing at another human being... I frankly believe they should all be simply outlawed and all manufacturers disbanded instantly. I know people like to think they are used to handling them, but accidents happen and you rarely get a chance to remedy the accident or to make the same mistake twice - its just not worth it!
A gun is manufactured for the
a) simple act of killing something
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b) replicating the simple act of killing something
Why you would want to do "b" is beyond me, get an xbox.
"A" has some merits in certain situations, I'm not too way out to understand and appreciate the need for it from that perspective, but put the weapons in the hands of the people who deal with those situations (Police, Military Forces) and that's that, no one else gets to play... if anyone joins either the Police or Military because they want to play with guns, this would be the first and only reason for rejecting their application!
Perhaps you're right and I am just "desensitised" to it. I hadn't really thought of it that way. But I won't make apologies for owning one. You see it as an item that can take a life, I see it as an item to save one. I have enough sense to never fire it at someone unless I had to but if that day ever came I wouldn't hesitate. As I said earlier I also enjoy a day out in the desert target shooting with friends. I would grant you this though...If there was ever a way to get every gun off the street and it meant giving mine up I would do it in a heartbeat. I don't really agree with sports shooting either (get an xbox!), down to personal experience as a teenager... I live in one of the parts of the UK that seems to think it is part of our heritage (it is part of the heritage of a very, very tiny and rich minority) and as such, beating (chasing game birds from the undergrowth) and also clay pigeon firing is quite a handy and normal part-time weekend job for teenagers... something I did, and some of my friends and brothers... but with two school friends down (read as dead) due to horse-faced, feckless weekend charlies (read as Cheney, in the US - it was him that shot that guy in the face right? Or was it Rumsfeld? Get them muddled up all the time) not knowing how to tell when a gun is loaded or not, regardless of pointing at another human being... I frankly believe they should all be simply outlawed and all manufacturers disbanded instantly. I know people like to think they are used to handling them, but accidents happen and you rarely get a chance to remedy the accident or to make the same mistake twice - its just not worth it! A gun is manufactured for the a) simple act of killing something or b) replicating the simple act of killing something Why you would want to do "b" is beyond me, get an xbox. "A" has some merits in certain situations, I'm not too way out to understand and appreciate the need for it from that perspective, but put the weapons in the hands of the people who deal with those situations (Police, Military Forces) and that's that, no one else gets to play... if anyone joins either the Police or Military because they want to play with guns, this would be the first and only reason for rejecting their application! |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 3:25:53 GMT 1, As for Morons, there are a couple of potentials as to who exactly the Morons are... this image in itself doesn't bother me too much, but when allied with Festival and Sales End and I start to wonder. I'm happy to acknowledge all sorts of post-modern, ironic what-have-you but these three images taken together leave me feeling more than a little disrespected, which is the reason they won't be on my walls in the near future. It is a difficult one, because so much of his work has "society-at-large" as the core of the joke, if you like, and in that respect understanding (or self-defining) where you, yourself, are positioned in relation to that is quite an arrogant act, as I said before: just because you say you are something, doesnt necessarily make it so... "I'm all right, I'm a believer, I get it... therefore its not directed at me and I'm allowed to laugh heartily", meanwhile..? Excellent points. Some say Morons is his most brilliant piece but I see it as a jab at those who pay huge amounts on the secondary market. As far as the prices and him being able to get more if he wanted...it's still a pretty good sum of money for a print and I wouldn't be surprised if Banksy has a laugh at the difference in price his signature makes. Maybe that's why he signed some in what appears to be crayon or something like that with the Trolly's release. He's surely a millionaire by now and the prices do increase with each release.
I think the prices paid by the secondary market along with the auction setting in the piece does mean your reading is more likely than the fairly bleak reading I have in which "it is just everyone"(!)... its also the addition of the Festival darwin-esque progression, cattle-queue, bandwagon-ism that compounds this and then the Sales End which just finishes it off, for me. Hmm.
As for Morons, there are a couple of potentials as to who exactly the Morons are... this image in itself doesn't bother me too much, but when allied with Festival and Sales End and I start to wonder. I'm happy to acknowledge all sorts of post-modern, ironic what-have-you but these three images taken together leave me feeling more than a little disrespected, which is the reason they won't be on my walls in the near future. It is a difficult one, because so much of his work has "society-at-large" as the core of the joke, if you like, and in that respect understanding (or self-defining) where you, yourself, are positioned in relation to that is quite an arrogant act, as I said before: just because you say you are something, doesnt necessarily make it so... "I'm all right, I'm a believer, I get it... therefore its not directed at me and I'm allowed to laugh heartily", meanwhile..? Excellent points. Some say Morons is his most brilliant piece but I see it as a jab at those who pay huge amounts on the secondary market. As far as the prices and him being able to get more if he wanted...it's still a pretty good sum of money for a print and I wouldn't be surprised if Banksy has a laugh at the difference in price his signature makes. Maybe that's why he signed some in what appears to be crayon or something like that with the Trolly's release. He's surely a millionaire by now and the prices do increase with each release. I think the prices paid by the secondary market along with the auction setting in the piece does mean your reading is more likely than the fairly bleak reading I have in which "it is just everyone"(!)... its also the addition of the Festival darwin-esque progression, cattle-queue, bandwagon-ism that compounds this and then the Sales End which just finishes it off, for me. Hmm. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 3:36:35 GMT 1,
No X-Box!  Video games are responsible for an entire generation of lazy, overweight, unmotivated, kids. If there's a devil he sent us fast food and video games and is patting himself on the back for a job well done.
It was Cheney that shot his lil buddy. And to think he's second in command for our military. Gun safety's a pretty big deal with the people I go shooting with and they won't hesitate to jack someone up on the spot if someone's being unsafe. Do accidents happen anyway? Sure they do but hopefully they are minimized and if an accident does happen there's nobody to blame but yourself. But then again there are accidents in lots of sports, even life ending ones.
I don't agree with you on points A and B as there are many people that only shoot target and keep the guns locked between trips to the range. Heck, it's an Olympic sport!
Sorry to hear about your friends when you were younger though. I can understand why you feel as you do.
No X-Box! Video games are responsible for an entire generation of lazy, overweight, unmotivated, kids. If there's a devil he sent us fast food and video games and is patting himself on the back for a job well done. It was Cheney that shot his lil buddy. And to think he's second in command for our military. Gun safety's a pretty big deal with the people I go shooting with and they won't hesitate to jack someone up on the spot if someone's being unsafe. Do accidents happen anyway? Sure they do but hopefully they are minimized and if an accident does happen there's nobody to blame but yourself. But then again there are accidents in lots of sports, even life ending ones. I don't agree with you on points A and B as there are many people that only shoot target and keep the guns locked between trips to the range. Heck, it's an Olympic sport! Sorry to hear about your friends when you were younger though. I can understand why you feel as you do. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 3:49:00 GMT 1, [/quote]
I think the prices paid by the secondary market along with the auction setting in the piece does mean your reading is more likely than the fairly bleak reading I have in which "it is just everyone"(!)... its also the addition of the Festival darwin-esque progression, cattle-queue, bandwagon-ism that compounds this and then the Sales End which just finishes it off, for me. Hmm.[/quote]
I'm definitely seeing a bandwagon-ism. Here's the formula, paint anything that has:
Anti organized religion
Iraq War
The dollar (or any other currency)
Wings
Anything Disney
Don't get me wrong, there are some brilliant works that have been done but I'd like to see something fresher. That's why I like Banksy so much, you never know what's coming next.
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I think the prices paid by the secondary market along with the auction setting in the piece does mean your reading is more likely than the fairly bleak reading I have in which "it is just everyone"(!)... its also the addition of the Festival darwin-esque progression, cattle-queue, bandwagon-ism that compounds this and then the Sales End which just finishes it off, for me. Hmm.[/quote]
I'm definitely seeing a bandwagon-ism. Here's the formula, paint anything that has:
Anti organized religion
Iraq War
The dollar (or any other currency)
Wings
Anything Disney
Don't get me wrong, there are some brilliant works that have been done but I'd like to see something fresher. That's why I like Banksy so much, you never know what's coming next.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 3:49:26 GMT 1,
I'm definitely seeing a bandwagon-ism. Here's the formula, paint anything that has:
Anti organized religion
Iraq War
The dollar (or any other currency)
Wings
Anything Disney
Don't get me wrong, there are some brilliant works that have been done but I'd like to see something fresher. That's why I like Banksy so much, you never know what's coming next.
I'm definitely seeing a bandwagon-ism. Here's the formula, paint anything that has:
Anti organized religion
Iraq War
The dollar (or any other currency)
Wings
Anything Disney
Don't get me wrong, there are some brilliant works that have been done but I'd like to see something fresher. That's why I like Banksy so much, you never know what's coming next.
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 3:55:05 GMT 1, No X-Box! Video games are responsible for an entire generation of lazy, overweight, unmotivated, kids. If there's a devil he sent us fast food and video games and is patting himself on the back for a job well done. It was Cheney that shot his lil buddy. And to think he's second in command for our military. Gun safety's a pretty big deal with the people I go shooting with and they won't hesitate to jack someone up on the spot if someone's being unsafe. Do accidents happen anyway? Sure they do but hopefully they are minimized and if an accident does happen there's nobody to blame but yourself. But then again there are accidents in lots of sports, even life ending ones. I don't agree with you on points A and B as there are many people that only shoot target and keep the guns locked between trips to the range. Heck, it's an Olympic sport! Sorry to hear about your friends when you were younger though. I can understand why you feel as you do.
Bear dancing (I'm sure theres a better word for it than that!), badger baiting, dog fights (particularly relevant in the states right now I believe), c**k fighting, bull fighting, pony bashing... all used to be, and some even now, sports condoned by the authorities... I personally don't think the tiny minority that are involved in the sport is a good enough reason to allow its continuation, even if it is Olympic.
You're not wrong there are some sports (motor racing, horse racing) where deaths occur rarely but regularly... horse racing (I feel) should just be banned... its bollocks and just unnecessary, motor racing - don't think anyone goes into it without knowing the risks involved and deaths are fairly rare, though damage is virtually inevitable, you onlu have to look at the faces of the stars of formula one from the 70's now... lots have bits missing or melted, not so much recently. A death in field sports in extremely rare, and the very few I am aware of (there have been a few in football in the last decade or so) have been down to undiagnosed conditions mainly (Marc Vivien Foe is probably the most remembered - he played for the Cameroon and Manchester City, amongst others, there was also a young Italian footballer earlier this year, I believe with an aortic embolism?) - sporting activity had no effect for or against these, they would have simply happened unfortunately sooner or later. Career threathening, let alone life threatening injuries in rugby is really quite rare too, and it is difficult to spot a more "impactful" sporting activity... about the worst case I have known is a recurring or chronic injury which would force the player out of the game, such as the case with the English Hooker last year, forget his name right now. Most damaging in this sphere, and a few others, is the drug taking to increase performance if anything and as we know this is generally (with a few noted exceptions) outlawed.
I really am blathering now... my knees hurt too, so time for bed... been good hearing your thoughts.
I hear what you are saying about xBox... don't mean kids... don't let kids have them! Too good for kids. Give them a Bible, Dictionary, hoop and a stick... that should keep em quiet for the first 15 years!
No X-Box! Video games are responsible for an entire generation of lazy, overweight, unmotivated, kids. If there's a devil he sent us fast food and video games and is patting himself on the back for a job well done. It was Cheney that shot his lil buddy. And to think he's second in command for our military. Gun safety's a pretty big deal with the people I go shooting with and they won't hesitate to jack someone up on the spot if someone's being unsafe. Do accidents happen anyway? Sure they do but hopefully they are minimized and if an accident does happen there's nobody to blame but yourself. But then again there are accidents in lots of sports, even life ending ones. I don't agree with you on points A and B as there are many people that only shoot target and keep the guns locked between trips to the range. Heck, it's an Olympic sport! Sorry to hear about your friends when you were younger though. I can understand why you feel as you do. Bear dancing (I'm sure theres a better word for it than that!), badger baiting, dog fights (particularly relevant in the states right now I believe), c**k fighting, bull fighting, pony bashing... all used to be, and some even now, sports condoned by the authorities... I personally don't think the tiny minority that are involved in the sport is a good enough reason to allow its continuation, even if it is Olympic. You're not wrong there are some sports (motor racing, horse racing) where deaths occur rarely but regularly... horse racing (I feel) should just be banned... its bollocks and just unnecessary, motor racing - don't think anyone goes into it without knowing the risks involved and deaths are fairly rare, though damage is virtually inevitable, you onlu have to look at the faces of the stars of formula one from the 70's now... lots have bits missing or melted, not so much recently. A death in field sports in extremely rare, and the very few I am aware of (there have been a few in football in the last decade or so) have been down to undiagnosed conditions mainly (Marc Vivien Foe is probably the most remembered - he played for the Cameroon and Manchester City, amongst others, there was also a young Italian footballer earlier this year, I believe with an aortic embolism?) - sporting activity had no effect for or against these, they would have simply happened unfortunately sooner or later. Career threathening, let alone life threatening injuries in rugby is really quite rare too, and it is difficult to spot a more "impactful" sporting activity... about the worst case I have known is a recurring or chronic injury which would force the player out of the game, such as the case with the English Hooker last year, forget his name right now. Most damaging in this sphere, and a few others, is the drug taking to increase performance if anything and as we know this is generally (with a few noted exceptions) outlawed. I really am blathering now... my knees hurt too, so time for bed... been good hearing your thoughts. I hear what you are saying about xBox... don't mean kids... don't let kids have them! Too good for kids. Give them a Bible, Dictionary, hoop and a stick... that should keep em quiet for the first 15 years! |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 4:02:44 GMT 1, No X-Box! Video games are responsible for an entire generation of lazy, overweight, unmotivated, kids. If there's a devil he sent us fast food and video games and is patting himself on the back for a job well done. It was Cheney that shot his lil buddy. And to think he's second in command for our military. Gun safety's a pretty big deal with the people I go shooting with and they won't hesitate to jack someone up on the spot if someone's being unsafe. Do accidents happen anyway? Sure they do but hopefully they are minimized and if an accident does happen there's nobody to blame but yourself. But then again there are accidents in lots of sports, even life ending ones. I don't agree with you on points A and B as there are many people that only shoot target and keep the guns locked between trips to the range. Heck, it's an Olympic sport! Sorry to hear about your friends when you were younger though. I can understand why you feel as you do. Bear dancing (I'm sure theres a better word for it than that!), badger baiting, dog fights (particularly relevant in the states right now I believe), c**k fighting, bull fighting, pony bashing... all used to be, and some even now, sports condoned by the authorities... I personally don't think the tiny minority that are involved in the sport is a good enough reason to allow its continuation, even if it is Olympic. You're not wrong there are some sports (motor racing, horse racing) where deaths occur rarely but regularly... horse racing (I feel) should just be banned... its bollocks and just unnecessary, motor racing - don't think anyone goes into it without knowing the risks involved and deaths are fairly rare, though damage is virtually inevitable, you onlu have to look at the faces of the stars of formula one from the 70's now... lots have bits missing or melted, not so much recently. A death in field sports in extremely rare, and the very few I am aware of (there have been a few in football in the last decade or so) have been down to undiagnosed conditions mainly (Marc Vivien Foe is probably the most remembered - he played for the Cameroon and Manchester City, amongst others, there was also a young Italian footballer earlier this year, I believe with an aortic embolism?) - sporting activity had no effect for or against these, they would have simply happened unfortunately sooner or later. Career threathening, let alone life threatening injuries in rugby is really quite rare too, and it is difficult to spot a more "impactful" sporting activity... about the worst case I have known is a recurring or chronic injury which would force the player out of the game, such as the case with the English Hooker last year, forget his name right now. Most damaging in this sphere, and a few others, is the drug taking to increase performance if anything and as we know this is generally (with a few noted exceptions) outlawed. I really am blathering now... my knees hurt too, so time for bed... been good hearing your thoughts. I hear what you are saying about xBox... don't mean kids... don't let kids have them! Too good for kids. Give them a Bible, Dictionary, hoop and a stick... that should keep em quiet for the first 15 years!
Been a pleasure chatting with ya.  Peace Out.
Oh, Pony Bashing? Do I even want to know?
No X-Box! Video games are responsible for an entire generation of lazy, overweight, unmotivated, kids. If there's a devil he sent us fast food and video games and is patting himself on the back for a job well done. It was Cheney that shot his lil buddy. And to think he's second in command for our military. Gun safety's a pretty big deal with the people I go shooting with and they won't hesitate to jack someone up on the spot if someone's being unsafe. Do accidents happen anyway? Sure they do but hopefully they are minimized and if an accident does happen there's nobody to blame but yourself. But then again there are accidents in lots of sports, even life ending ones. I don't agree with you on points A and B as there are many people that only shoot target and keep the guns locked between trips to the range. Heck, it's an Olympic sport! Sorry to hear about your friends when you were younger though. I can understand why you feel as you do. Bear dancing (I'm sure theres a better word for it than that!), badger baiting, dog fights (particularly relevant in the states right now I believe), c**k fighting, bull fighting, pony bashing... all used to be, and some even now, sports condoned by the authorities... I personally don't think the tiny minority that are involved in the sport is a good enough reason to allow its continuation, even if it is Olympic. You're not wrong there are some sports (motor racing, horse racing) where deaths occur rarely but regularly... horse racing (I feel) should just be banned... its bollocks and just unnecessary, motor racing - don't think anyone goes into it without knowing the risks involved and deaths are fairly rare, though damage is virtually inevitable, you onlu have to look at the faces of the stars of formula one from the 70's now... lots have bits missing or melted, not so much recently. A death in field sports in extremely rare, and the very few I am aware of (there have been a few in football in the last decade or so) have been down to undiagnosed conditions mainly (Marc Vivien Foe is probably the most remembered - he played for the Cameroon and Manchester City, amongst others, there was also a young Italian footballer earlier this year, I believe with an aortic embolism?) - sporting activity had no effect for or against these, they would have simply happened unfortunately sooner or later. Career threathening, let alone life threatening injuries in rugby is really quite rare too, and it is difficult to spot a more "impactful" sporting activity... about the worst case I have known is a recurring or chronic injury which would force the player out of the game, such as the case with the English Hooker last year, forget his name right now. Most damaging in this sphere, and a few others, is the drug taking to increase performance if anything and as we know this is generally (with a few noted exceptions) outlawed. I really am blathering now... my knees hurt too, so time for bed... been good hearing your thoughts. I hear what you are saying about xBox... don't mean kids... don't let kids have them! Too good for kids. Give them a Bible, Dictionary, hoop and a stick... that should keep em quiet for the first 15 years! Been a pleasure chatting with ya. Peace Out. Oh, Pony Bashing? Do I even want to know? |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 4:13:06 GMT 1, I'm definitely seeing a bandwagon-ism. Here's the formula, paint anything that has: Anti organized religion Iraq War The dollar (or any other currency) Wings Anything Disney Don't get me wrong, there are some brilliant works that have been done but I'd like to see something fresher. That's why I like Banksy so much, you never know what's coming next.
Its the nature of the street art though...
Disney is probably the most recognisable corporate brand... and it has lots of instantly recognisable content.
Other targets are Politics, Religion, Sex and Violence, and any combinations of the above.
Its part of the language, I could dig out something about codes and conventions and their usage in writing a message through art... but I didnt really finish that bit of the book and it might not be relevant  ... strangely that doesnt usually stop me, but my knees are hurting quite a bit now!
I'm definitely seeing a bandwagon-ism. Here's the formula, paint anything that has: Anti organized religion Iraq War The dollar (or any other currency) Wings Anything Disney Don't get me wrong, there are some brilliant works that have been done but I'd like to see something fresher. That's why I like Banksy so much, you never know what's coming next. Its the nature of the street art though... Disney is probably the most recognisable corporate brand... and it has lots of instantly recognisable content. Other targets are Politics, Religion, Sex and Violence, and any combinations of the above. Its part of the language, I could dig out something about codes and conventions and their usage in writing a message through art... but I didnt really finish that bit of the book and it might not be relevant ... strangely that doesnt usually stop me, but my knees are hurting quite a bit now! |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by leehambly on Dec 16, 2007 4:16:18 GMT 1, Oh, Pony Bashing? Do I even want to know?
I think it was ponies (CORRECTED: ITS GOATS!!)... its a spanish thing, they do all sorts, take ponies up church spires and throw them off from time to time, you know the kind of thing... it may, actually, have something to do with your mexican cousin's predilection for pinata, wouldn't be surprised... I think I just made that up though, really not sure!
Oh, Pony Bashing? Do I even want to know? I think it was ponies (CORRECTED: ITS GOATS!!)... its a spanish thing, they do all sorts, take ponies up church spires and throw them off from time to time, you know the kind of thing... it may, actually, have something to do with your mexican cousin's predilection for pinata, wouldn't be surprised... I think I just made that up though, really not sure! |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 4:25:39 GMT 1, Oh, Pony Bashing? Do I even want to know? I think it was ponies (CORRECTED: ITS GOATS!!)... its a spanish thing, they do all sorts, take ponies up church spires and throw them off from time to time, you know the kind of thing... it may, actually, have something to do with your mexican cousin's predilection for pinata, wouldn't be surprised... I think I just made that up though, really not sure!
SAVE THE PINATA. STOP PINATA ABUSE NOW ;D
Oh, Pony Bashing? Do I even want to know? I think it was ponies (CORRECTED: ITS GOATS!!)... its a spanish thing, they do all sorts, take ponies up church spires and throw them off from time to time, you know the kind of thing... it may, actually, have something to do with your mexican cousin's predilection for pinata, wouldn't be surprised... I think I just made that up though, really not sure! SAVE THE PINATA. STOP PINATA ABUSE NOW ;D |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 4:27:20 GMT 1, I'm definitely seeing a bandwagon-ism. Here's the formula, paint anything that has: Anti organized religion Iraq War The dollar (or any other currency) Wings Anything Disney Don't get me wrong, there are some brilliant works that have been done but I'd like to see something fresher. That's why I like Banksy so much, you never know what's coming next. Its the nature of the street art though... Disney is probably the most recognisable corporate brand... and it has lots of instantly recognisable content. Other targets are Politics, Religion, Sex and Violence, and any combinations of the above. Its part of the language, I could dig out something about codes and conventions and their usage in writing a message through art... but I didnt really finish that bit of the book and it might not be relevant ... strangely that doesnt usually stop me, but my knees are hurting quite a bit now!
Over here the most recognized corporate logo is probably WalMart.
I'm definitely seeing a bandwagon-ism. Here's the formula, paint anything that has: Anti organized religion Iraq War The dollar (or any other currency) Wings Anything Disney Don't get me wrong, there are some brilliant works that have been done but I'd like to see something fresher. That's why I like Banksy so much, you never know what's coming next. Its the nature of the street art though... Disney is probably the most recognisable corporate brand... and it has lots of instantly recognisable content. Other targets are Politics, Religion, Sex and Violence, and any combinations of the above. Its part of the language, I could dig out something about codes and conventions and their usage in writing a message through art... but I didnt really finish that bit of the book and it might not be relevant ... strangely that doesnt usually stop me, but my knees are hurting quite a bit now! Over here the most recognized corporate logo is probably WalMart. |
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A Rare Banksy Mistake?, by ray on Dec 16, 2007 4:32:08 GMT 1, Oh, Pony Bashing? Do I even want to know? I think it was ponies (CORRECTED: ITS GOATS!!)... its a spanish thing, they do all sorts, take ponies up church spires and throw them off from time to time, you know the kind of thing... it may, actually, have something to do with your mexican cousin's predilection for pinata, wouldn't be surprised... I think I just made that up though, really not sure!
In Nepal recently the government airline was going thru period of plane malfunctions so they sacrificed a goat on the tarmac at the airport to prevent further problems. The goat is the Rodney Dangerfield of animals....no respect.
Oh, Pony Bashing? Do I even want to know? I think it was ponies (CORRECTED: ITS GOATS!!)... its a spanish thing, they do all sorts, take ponies up church spires and throw them off from time to time, you know the kind of thing... it may, actually, have something to do with your mexican cousin's predilection for pinata, wouldn't be surprised... I think I just made that up though, really not sure! In Nepal recently the government airline was going thru period of plane malfunctions so they sacrificed a goat on the tarmac at the airport to prevent further problems. The goat is the Rodney Dangerfield of animals....no respect. |
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Peace Out.
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