This is something I have pondered before... I know some extremely chilled out guys who are eco-friendly to the max and wouldnt harm a fly otherwise, but you show them a pciture of some gun and they can go into great detail about this, that and other... and they can think of nothing better than blowing the shit out of things... puzzles the ass off me, just don't get it at all.

i'm not... merely highlighting that just because you dont do something doesnt mean you cant comment on it.

I don't bungee jump, doesnt mean I don't think its daftly risky and wildly uncommensurate thing to do.
I don't own a pitbull, doesnt mean I don't think those that own one are desperately trying to compensate for something they feel they are sadly lacking...

... neither are illegal, you are allowed an opinion... hiding behind it with the reason you gave just doesnt work, the example I gave was an extreme but it does translate.

I never said you couldn't have an opinion. It's when words get put into peoples mouths (see above) or insults start flying I have an issue with.

This is no longer a gun issue it's an intolerance issue.. Can only Atheists belong to this board or is it ok if someone Catholic? Jewish? Muslim?

Is a racially mixed marriage ok? Abortion? White or Wheat bread?

Should we hunt down people that own Banksy's and give them a questionnaire to fill out to make sure they are not a gun owners or Catholics? Hunters or Protestants? Feel free to add to the list as I have a feeling it's going to be a long one. People that show intolerance usually have a list.


Maybe someone should post a questionnaire on the home page of "acceptable" life choices before letting people in, that should narrow it down and ensure everyone thinks the "right" way.

It's not a gun issue. It's a hate issue.

Americans are stupid, any country elects Dubya as a leader is cleary populated by mentalists

Shooting shit up? Who said I go around "shooting shit up?" I didn't say it. I said I enjoy going into the desert for target shooting. I shoot targets, I don't "shoot shit up".

And who put the words into my mouth that I'm "fascinated" by guns? I'm not "fascinated" with them I own them.

Go back thru my posts. how many times have a mentioned the actual guns? I talk about my right to own them. What I've said time and time again is that it's not a big deal to me as with most owners.

Why the hate?

I wasn't aware your own house was in order...Or am I wrong on that.

theres no hate with me, I just want an insight.

Sorry, but "shooting targets", to me, is the same as "shooting shit up"... what is it? Bottles? Tin cans? Paper targets? Some shit or other... hopefully nothing of value anyway! Its only semantics (i s'pose if you shoot flags then it would be semiotics!), get over it... going into the desert, woods or anywhere else and shooting targets can, I feel, be very legitimately labelled as shooting shit up.

"Fascinated" isnt my word... I said "like guns".

If you don't want to engage on it then fair play... all I have said is I think it is counterpoint to the main site content and I am puzzled by it.. it isnt a new source of puzzlement at all, I have had it before, as I said. If you don't want to expand on the reason behind why you do, then you cannot really blame anyone else for not understanding. I feel what I have said is coherent.

My comments about religious people was said as a further example as a highlight: I can only assume that most people on here are atheist or disillusioned with organised religion due to much of the imagery... if there is a religious person here, this doesnt mean I hate them, just puzzled by it... the two don't reconcile well, imo. I would pose the same question.

Not sure if it is inferred or implied (one or the other), but I think I can assume that if you decide to do something in your own time with your friends then usually it is something you enjoy.

I said before... lots of things are "sports", again frankly this is only semantics, Olympic or not... but whatever floats your boat. I throw frisbees, amongst other things.

Yes, I own Big Spongefinger by Jamie Hewlett..? Added: I also have some pages from 2000AD (Judge Dredd) which I believe show the odd gun here and there.

I'm not going to go on and on about this because politics get too personal but I will backup my statement.



Gun ownership in the United States is as much of a cultural situation as it is political and written in the 2nd Amendment (which I am not going to argue). So making a statment about gun ownership is your opinion but when you label it as "symptomatic of everything that is wrong in american society" you are making a closed minded statements which I felt was ignorant.

Your leaving out cultural differnces between the UK and the States and anytime someone makes an all encompasing statement about a culture they don't understand then say it is "incapable of justification" is making these statements in ignorance hence its definition.

ignorance
(ĭg'nər-əns) pronunciation
n.
The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

Thats it I am not going to go on and on about this I don't care that much about guns to argue it. But like I said Pez you always make insightful comments just took this last one a little personal.

Cheers
-L

Fight fight fight.

Anyone who has gone out to buy a gun so they can shoot stuff in the desert is a big c*ck. No matter which country they live in or under which laws they are governed.

I don't have a view on this but here's my story - I'm from the UK and this happened in the UK. I got held hostage at gunpoint in my home, by someone who was very agitated, threatened to kill me and went on to kill his other victims. However, I enjoy archery and rifle shooting (at targets in a proper, controlled environment i.e. a shooting range). I don't feel the two are related. One is a sport/game testing hand eye coordination/accuracy and the other is a tool to exercise fear and power over another human being.

I feel that the US gun laws is a different subject because it is cultural, and their culture is quite different - it is my understanding that gun possession is a constitutional right in order to overthrow a potentially tyrannical government and keep power with the people. In the UK there is a lot of bad feeling towards the US (despite our consumption of US products and culture) and always has been since the 2nd world war when British troops were poor and the yanks came over with their smart expensive uniforms, gum, money, stealing our women folk etc. I used to go to the states every year, but still don't hold a view on gun laws there, as it isn't my culture and I am willing to admit I don't fully understand. Like I said, I think it is a different subject to shooting, archery etc as a sport in a controlled environment. There are also places in the UK where people shoot birds to eat them for dinner. Don't know where that fits in to this.