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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Daniel Silk on Jan 7, 2010 12:05:51 GMT 1, Anyone found out where this show is gonna be in New York?
Anyone found out where this show is gonna be in New York?
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Ottomatik on Jan 7, 2010 13:55:40 GMT 1, It's Feb 14. With location to follow....
It's Feb 14. With location to follow....
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Winter on Jan 7, 2010 21:44:11 GMT 1, Nice little bit of publicity at the time of the show. Wonder if this is just a publicity stunt.
Nice little bit of publicity at the time of the show. Wonder if this is just a publicity stunt.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Klow on Jan 7, 2010 21:47:05 GMT 1, The timing certainly seems convenient... No such thing as bad press, right?
The timing certainly seems convenient... No such thing as bad press, right?
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by scandi on Jan 7, 2010 22:06:57 GMT 1, Timing is indeed a bit suspicious, but I doubt (and certainly don't hope) that Glen E. Friedman is in collution with Mr. Braindead.
Timing is indeed a bit suspicious, but I doubt (and certainly don't hope) that Glen E. Friedman is in collution with Mr. Braindead.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Winter on Jan 7, 2010 22:23:46 GMT 1, Who is Glen Eats Fried Men anyway
Who is Glen Eats Fried Men anyway
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by scandi on Jan 7, 2010 22:37:39 GMT 1, GEF is a "somewhat" famous photographer: www.burningflags.com/main.php
Documented the early years of skateboarding, hiphop, punk etc.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by snausages on Jan 7, 2010 22:56:05 GMT 1, This lawsuit is interesting as Friedman works with Fairey a lot, who pays him for photographic rights. Yet Fairey is trying to use his AP countersuit to diminish the rights of photographers and increase the definition of fair usage. I wonder how Friedman feels about Fairey attacking photography like this? And I'd like to hear Fairey explain why he's willing to pay Friedman without a second thought, but plunders google and AP photographers like its free clip art.
This lawsuit is interesting as Friedman works with Fairey a lot, who pays him for photographic rights. Yet Fairey is trying to use his AP countersuit to diminish the rights of photographers and increase the definition of fair usage. I wonder how Friedman feels about Fairey attacking photography like this? And I'd like to hear Fairey explain why he's willing to pay Friedman without a second thought, but plunders google and AP photographers like its free clip art.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Daniel Silk on Jan 9, 2010 0:48:17 GMT 1, Carson Daly at Mr. Brainwash's Studio
Carson Daly at Mr. Brainwash's Studio
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Passion Art on Jan 9, 2010 3:00:19 GMT 1, Silky, When did you take a liking to brainwash? For a while I seem to remember you trashing him left and right. If I'm wrong, please excuse me. I'm just curious why your opinion changed.
Silky, When did you take a liking to brainwash? For a while I seem to remember you trashing him left and right. If I'm wrong, please excuse me. I'm just curious why your opinion changed.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Daniel Silk on Jan 9, 2010 8:16:42 GMT 1, Silky, When did you take a liking to brainwash? For a while I seem to remember you trashing him left and right. If I'm wrong, please excuse me. I'm just curious why your opinion changed.
His work is very hit and miss I would say I like about 25% of it and the rest just looks like they have been rushed out of the studio with very little thought.
He has done some Really Really nice pieces but some of his other not so good work is a bit worrying and makes you question what its all really about.
Silky, When did you take a liking to brainwash? For a while I seem to remember you trashing him left and right. If I'm wrong, please excuse me. I'm just curious why your opinion changed. His work is very hit and miss I would say I like about 25% of it and the rest just looks like they have been rushed out of the studio with very little thought. He has done some Really Really nice pieces but some of his other not so good work is a bit worrying and makes you question what its all really about.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by scandi on Jan 9, 2010 10:33:12 GMT 1, Carson: "Define street art. It sounds awesome." hahaha
Carson: "Define street art. It sounds awesome." hahaha
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Daniel Silk on Jan 11, 2010 20:30:21 GMT 1, Mr Brainwash Life Remote Control
Mr Brainwash Life Remote Control
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Daniel Silk on Jan 11, 2010 20:32:17 GMT 1,
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by stenev on Jan 11, 2010 22:34:23 GMT 1, Just got back from NYC tonight and had a look round this show after stumbling upon it when wandering round SOHO. They also have a small Banksy canvas up and a few Ron English pieces including a 4ft grin figure that they were unpacking.
I was a little underwhelmed to be honest but the record pieces were nice and it was just good to get to see a whole load of originals in one place
Just got back from NYC tonight and had a look round this show after stumbling upon it when wandering round SOHO. They also have a small Banksy canvas up and a few Ron English pieces including a 4ft grin figure that they were unpacking.
I was a little underwhelmed to be honest but the record pieces were nice and it was just good to get to see a whole load of originals in one place
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Karl Read on Jan 11, 2010 22:50:58 GMT 1, This lawsuit is interesting as Friedman works with Fairey a lot, who pays him for photographic rights. Yet Fairey is trying to use his AP countersuit to diminish the rights of photographers and increase the definition of fair usage. I wonder how Friedman feels about Fairey attacking photography like this? And I'd like to hear Fairey explain why he's willing to pay Friedman without a second thought, but plunders google and AP photographers like its free clip art.
Cos Friedmans signature also appears on the prints!
This lawsuit is interesting as Friedman works with Fairey a lot, who pays him for photographic rights. Yet Fairey is trying to use his AP countersuit to diminish the rights of photographers and increase the definition of fair usage. I wonder how Friedman feels about Fairey attacking photography like this? And I'd like to hear Fairey explain why he's willing to pay Friedman without a second thought, but plunders google and AP photographers like its free clip art. Cos Friedmans signature also appears on the prints!
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by artstylee on Jan 15, 2010 3:57:59 GMT 1, Brainwash is going big now. his recent keith haring one was really nice.
Brainwash is going big now. his recent keith haring one was really nice.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by cadeallaw on Jan 18, 2010 16:53:12 GMT 1, Ha... that's a creepy looking room you have there. It all goes nice with the red wall.
Ha... that's a creepy looking room you have there. It all goes nice with the red wall.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by chrisps303 on Jan 18, 2010 17:34:09 GMT 1, (the large piece in the middle is by Heidi Calvert) Back on topic, i really dig Brainwash, and got in early. Not too deep, but i've got a few of his low run pieces. I'm curious to see how his Opera show goes, and depending how the show goes, the ensuing price hike or price drop of his work. I like that heidi calvert piece, is there anywhere online that sells her work? I have had a little look but cant seem to find anything for sale.
(the large piece in the middle is by Heidi Calvert) Back on topic, i really dig Brainwash, and got in early. Not too deep, but i've got a few of his low run pieces. I'm curious to see how his Opera show goes, and depending how the show goes, the ensuing price hike or price drop of his work. I like that heidi calvert piece, is there anywhere online that sells her work? I have had a little look but cant seem to find anything for sale.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by DOH on Jan 18, 2010 21:38:13 GMT 1, Looks like the kind of room you would find in a serial killer's layer.....like it!!
Looks like the kind of room you would find in a serial killer's layer.....like it!!
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by Coach on Jan 19, 2010 0:17:59 GMT 1, Which of these three would you be able hang up?: I've got a room in my home dedicated to Hussar. It's one of my favorite rooms in my house. My favorite artist, hands down. (the large piece in the middle is by Heidi Calvert) Back on topic, i really dig Brainwash, and got in early. Not too deep, but i've got a few of his low run pieces. I'm curious to see how his Opera show goes, and depending how the show goes, the ensuing price hike or price drop of his work.
I could happily live with those walls - superb collection, and some of the best framing I have seen in a long while - my hat goes of to you!
Which of these three would you be able hang up?: I've got a room in my home dedicated to Hussar. It's one of my favorite rooms in my house. My favorite artist, hands down. (the large piece in the middle is by Heidi Calvert) Back on topic, i really dig Brainwash, and got in early. Not too deep, but i've got a few of his low run pieces. I'm curious to see how his Opera show goes, and depending how the show goes, the ensuing price hike or price drop of his work. I could happily live with those walls - superb collection, and some of the best framing I have seen in a long while - my hat goes of to you!
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by snausages on Jan 19, 2010 1:52:08 GMT 1, This lawsuit is interesting as Friedman works with Fairey a lot, who pays him for photographic rights. Yet Fairey is trying to use his AP countersuit to diminish the rights of photographers and increase the definition of fair usage. I wonder how Friedman feels about Fairey attacking photography like this? And I'd like to hear Fairey explain why he's willing to pay Friedman without a second thought, but plunders google and AP photographers like its free clip art. Cos Friedmans signature also appears on the prints! Don't really understand the response? The question is why Fairey is willing to pay Friedman and have him sign the prints - but not do the same with the AP photographer? Certainly Fairey didn't alter the AP photo any more than he altered the Friedman photos. If Fairey posterized a Friedman photo, put a word underneath and claimed it to be his own, I'm sure Glen would kick his ass.
I wonder if there's any consternation between Friedman and Fairey because Friedman feels strongly enough to fight for his photographic rights in court. While at the same time his buddy is in court fighting to weaken the rights of photographers.
This lawsuit is interesting as Friedman works with Fairey a lot, who pays him for photographic rights. Yet Fairey is trying to use his AP countersuit to diminish the rights of photographers and increase the definition of fair usage. I wonder how Friedman feels about Fairey attacking photography like this? And I'd like to hear Fairey explain why he's willing to pay Friedman without a second thought, but plunders google and AP photographers like its free clip art. Cos Friedmans signature also appears on the prints! Don't really understand the response? The question is why Fairey is willing to pay Friedman and have him sign the prints - but not do the same with the AP photographer? Certainly Fairey didn't alter the AP photo any more than he altered the Friedman photos. If Fairey posterized a Friedman photo, put a word underneath and claimed it to be his own, I'm sure Glen would kick his ass. I wonder if there's any consternation between Friedman and Fairey because Friedman feels strongly enough to fight for his photographic rights in court. While at the same time his buddy is in court fighting to weaken the rights of photographers.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by scandi on Jan 19, 2010 8:30:02 GMT 1, I'm no expert on US copyright law, but aparently one of the important aspects of it is the intention of the original piece versus the intention of the piece based on the original. In the case of Shep vs. AP the original photo was created to relay news, the Shep piece on the other hand had a different purpose. The photo by Glen was clearly not created to relay news, but was more of an "art" piece, like MBWs intentions in the use of the photo. Now, we can always argue about whether what MBW does is art or not.
I'm no expert on US copyright law, but aparently one of the important aspects of it is the intention of the original piece versus the intention of the piece based on the original. In the case of Shep vs. AP the original photo was created to relay news, the Shep piece on the other hand had a different purpose. The photo by Glen was clearly not created to relay news, but was more of an "art" piece, like MBWs intentions in the use of the photo. Now, we can always argue about whether what MBW does is art or not.
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by snausages on Jan 19, 2010 15:55:39 GMT 1, Interesting, never heard that before (except the allowance for satire) but if what you say is true I don't understand what "news" the Obama poster is trying to relate. It's an advertisement for a political candidate. If you're saying it's ok because the original photo was a "news" photo I think that's wrong, AP photos do fall under international copyright law.
I think the only chance Fairey has, is that he "modified" the original photo. But he certainly didn't "modify" it anymore than he altered Friedman's photos. So the AP lawyers should really ask why he pays off his friends but not photographers he harvests from google.
Sorry about hijacking the thread, but then again, eh, it's only mistabainwash
Interesting, never heard that before (except the allowance for satire) but if what you say is true I don't understand what "news" the Obama poster is trying to relate. It's an advertisement for a political candidate. If you're saying it's ok because the original photo was a "news" photo I think that's wrong, AP photos do fall under international copyright law.
I think the only chance Fairey has, is that he "modified" the original photo. But he certainly didn't "modify" it anymore than he altered Friedman's photos. So the AP lawyers should really ask why he pays off his friends but not photographers he harvests from google.
Sorry about hijacking the thread, but then again, eh, it's only mistabainwash
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by scandi on Jan 19, 2010 16:51:56 GMT 1, Unfortunately we are giving Mr Brainwash "free" publicity by keeping the thread alive hijacked or not, but here goes:
The normal defence for using someones work in your own is applying "fair use". "Fair use" within the copyright law is dependant upon: 1. What the original work is 2. How much of it you're using 3. How you transform it (conceptually and physically) 4. Whether your new work hurts the commercial market for the original.
The news vs. propaganda/art argument I mentioned is part of the conceptual transformation of the work.
In the Shep vs. AP case it is explained quite well here: www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-melber/the-ap-hase-no-case-again_b_165068.html
Unfortunately we are giving Mr Brainwash "free" publicity by keeping the thread alive hijacked or not, but here goes: The normal defence for using someones work in your own is applying "fair use". "Fair use" within the copyright law is dependant upon: 1. What the original work is 2. How much of it you're using 3. How you transform it (conceptually and physically) 4. Whether your new work hurts the commercial market for the original. The news vs. propaganda/art argument I mentioned is part of the conceptual transformation of the work. In the Shep vs. AP case it is explained quite well here: www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-melber/the-ap-hase-no-case-again_b_165068.html
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Mr Brainwash Show ICONS New York 2010, by snausages on Jan 19, 2010 17:21:55 GMT 1, I've seen the Huffington article before. It blatantly cherry picks details to suit the argument they wanted to make while ignoring issues that don't serve its purpose. They cite a Koons case where he won on fair use terms, but they fail to mention the cases that Koons lost, that Warhol lost etc. Many artists have lost.
They may have a point that the derivative work doesn't harm the value of the original. But whether the piece is "transformative" like they contend is highly opinionated. It's no more transformative than many of the works Fairey has made with other photographers that he did give credit to. Don't really have more to say, it's not up to you or me.
But to get back to the original topic, I get what you're saying, if the court determines he "transformed" it good for him, but it's not as simple as fair use if the photo was from a news source. www.ap.org/pages/about/terms.html
I've seen the Huffington article before. It blatantly cherry picks details to suit the argument they wanted to make while ignoring issues that don't serve its purpose. They cite a Koons case where he won on fair use terms, but they fail to mention the cases that Koons lost, that Warhol lost etc. Many artists have lost. They may have a point that the derivative work doesn't harm the value of the original. But whether the piece is "transformative" like they contend is highly opinionated. It's no more transformative than many of the works Fairey has made with other photographers that he did give credit to. Don't really have more to say, it's not up to you or me. But to get back to the original topic, I get what you're saying, if the court determines he "transformed" it good for him, but it's not as simple as fair use if the photo was from a news source. www.ap.org/pages/about/terms.html
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