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Price Crash Who Cares???, by dgb133 on Aug 21, 2007 19:44:47 GMT 1,
nice try  ;D
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by numusic on Aug 21, 2007 19:46:13 GMT 1, 200 quid screenprint market? Where can I get a Banksy for 200 wuid? Do tell... Once Banksy's drop, neetes, mantis' and beejoir prints start coming way down back to reality you really don't think that's going to have an effect on the midset here of people? Give me a break. And about your idyllic words about art and how enlightened it will make you. If that's how you feel go to a museum and buy some poster. But if you're going to spend almost $20,000 for a flying copper or barcode then you're a freaking idiot if you don't think hey, is this really worth that much? Will it really bring me $20,000 worth of happiness? Isn't there a better cheaper way to make yourself a "thoughtfull person" than spending $10-20,000? That sounds just as shallow to me than worrying about the value of things.
Oh sorry, I bought mine for 50 quid  Listen, if you can't afford a Banksy, tough shit. Go buy something you can afford. There's plenty of art out there. Go support someone else. Buying on the secondary market for thousands and thousands is something else, and yes, I'd agree that if you're doing this then you should perhaps consider it's future value. But, I'd suggest you buy things you like at source for a few hundred bucks instead of trying to jack into a scene that's already way beyond most peoples means. You might get away with maxing the CC once or twice, but make a habit of it and you're fucked. You'll be hitting ebay before you know it and getting rid of work that means something to you. Pretty much what we've been seeing after the Neate sales.
There's some amazing work out there for less than 500 dollars. Forget the stuff you can't afford, either that, or start saving up. Use cash, leave the CC at home. Makes it feel better and you're less likely to stick it on the bay if you've saved for it.
200 quid screenprint market? Where can I get a Banksy for 200 wuid? Do tell... Once Banksy's drop, neetes, mantis' and beejoir prints start coming way down back to reality you really don't think that's going to have an effect on the midset here of people? Give me a break. And about your idyllic words about art and how enlightened it will make you. If that's how you feel go to a museum and buy some poster. But if you're going to spend almost $20,000 for a flying copper or barcode then you're a freaking idiot if you don't think hey, is this really worth that much? Will it really bring me $20,000 worth of happiness? Isn't there a better cheaper way to make yourself a "thoughtfull person" than spending $10-20,000? That sounds just as shallow to me than worrying about the value of things. Oh sorry, I bought mine for 50 quid Listen, if you can't afford a Banksy, tough shit. Go buy something you can afford. There's plenty of art out there. Go support someone else. Buying on the secondary market for thousands and thousands is something else, and yes, I'd agree that if you're doing this then you should perhaps consider it's future value. But, I'd suggest you buy things you like at source for a few hundred bucks instead of trying to jack into a scene that's already way beyond most peoples means. You might get away with maxing the CC once or twice, but make a habit of it and you're fucked. You'll be hitting ebay before you know it and getting rid of work that means something to you. Pretty much what we've been seeing after the Neate sales. There's some amazing work out there for less than 500 dollars. Forget the stuff you can't afford, either that, or start saving up. Use cash, leave the CC at home. Makes it feel better and you're less likely to stick it on the bay if you've saved for it. |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by corblimeylimey on Aug 21, 2007 20:00:42 GMT 1, Oh and in my book, the forms and colours in nature beat human artwork hands down everytime.
Here you go snakes, this sort of art should appeal to you, it's a real pressed flower.
& the best thing is you can make one yourself for free ;D
Oh and in my book, the forms and colours in nature beat human artwork hands down everytime. Here you go snakes, this sort of art should appeal to you, it's a real pressed flower. & the best thing is you can make one yourself for free ;D |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by numusic on Aug 21, 2007 20:00:59 GMT 1, I think blimey that part of the issue here is that the value of these things (prints) is so not rooted in anything real. The price of art is so utterly arbitrary compared to everything else you listed as an example. Who's to say a piece of paper with ink on it is worth 200 quid or 20000 quid. The literal value of these things is almost nothing. Whereas the literal value of a car is rooted in the materials and labor etc. and REAL costs. You do have a point especially when you start comparing luxury items to everday goods but I don't think the comparison is so cut and dry. Art and luxury goods are a differnet animal than necessity items in my opinon. And I have art too that I bought that I wouldn't sell except for an exorbitant amount and even if it dropped to nothing I'd still like looking at it. BUT who's going to pay me a ridiculous amount of money without factoring in future value? Send em my way. I've got some things to sell.
Literature , Music , Poetry, Art .. tell me how much they're worth ? you come at them all as "product". The above are not a luxury in my book, they're an absolute fucking life saving necessity (well, maybe not poetry )
I think blimey that part of the issue here is that the value of these things (prints) is so not rooted in anything real. The price of art is so utterly arbitrary compared to everything else you listed as an example. Who's to say a piece of paper with ink on it is worth 200 quid or 20000 quid. The literal value of these things is almost nothing. Whereas the literal value of a car is rooted in the materials and labor etc. and REAL costs. You do have a point especially when you start comparing luxury items to everday goods but I don't think the comparison is so cut and dry. Art and luxury goods are a differnet animal than necessity items in my opinon. And I have art too that I bought that I wouldn't sell except for an exorbitant amount and even if it dropped to nothing I'd still like looking at it. BUT who's going to pay me a ridiculous amount of money without factoring in future value? Send em my way. I've got some things to sell. Literature , Music , Poetry, Art .. tell me how much they're worth ? you come at them all as "product". The above are not a luxury in my book, they're an absolute fucking life saving necessity (well, maybe not poetry ) |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by stuey09 on Aug 21, 2007 20:05:29 GMT 1, Dunno Nu, what about John Cooper Clarke's Never Seen A Nipple in the Daily Express. Beats Keats and Milton any day of the week ;D
Dunno Nu, what about John Cooper Clarke's Never Seen A Nipple in the Daily Express. Beats Keats and Milton any day of the week ;D
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by numusic on Aug 21, 2007 20:10:58 GMT 1, Dunno Nu, what about John Cooper Clarke's Never Seen A Nipple in the Daily Express. Beats Keats and Milton any day of the week ;D
LOL, more of a Gil Scott Heron man myself. Or even better, Linton Kwasi !
mi know dem have work, work in abundant
yet still, dem mek mi redundant
now, at fifty-five mi gettin´ quite ol´
yet still, dem sen´ mi fi goh draw dole
Inglan is a b**ch
dere´s no escapin it
Inglan is a b**ch
is whey wi a goh dhu ´bout it?
Dunno Nu, what about John Cooper Clarke's Never Seen A Nipple in the Daily Express. Beats Keats and Milton any day of the week ;D LOL, more of a Gil Scott Heron man myself. Or even better, Linton Kwasi ! mi know dem have work, work in abundant yet still, dem mek mi redundant now, at fifty-five mi gettin´ quite ol´ yet still, dem sen´ mi fi goh draw dole Inglan is a b**ch dere´s no escapin it Inglan is a b**ch is whey wi a goh dhu ´bout it? |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by dgb133 on Aug 21, 2007 20:14:56 GMT 1,
That's cool but my point is if you don't care about the values you can see, hear, listen to all of this stuff for practically free via museums, radios, libraries etc. Or find books posters records for cheap.
That's cool but my point is if you don't care about the values you can see, hear, listen to all of this stuff for practically free via museums, radios, libraries etc. Or find books posters records for cheap.
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 21, 2007 20:15:29 GMT 1, I think the key here is differentiating between a real ORIGINAL PIECE OF ART (not these edition of 10 "originals") vs. the PRINTS. I think the latter is the basis for bubble talk as there is no intrinsic creative value to it. It really is just ink on fancy paper as all the creative work from the artist went into the original. After that its just technical a la the push of the "print" button...
I think the key here is differentiating between a real ORIGINAL PIECE OF ART (not these edition of 10 "originals") vs. the PRINTS. I think the latter is the basis for bubble talk as there is no intrinsic creative value to it. It really is just ink on fancy paper as all the creative work from the artist went into the original. After that its just technical a la the push of the "print" button...
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by stuey09 on Aug 21, 2007 20:19:16 GMT 1, I saw LKJ support Siouxsie and the Banshees, years ago. Couldn't understand a word he said at the time, although maturity has allowed to appreciate his work. A very wise man.
I saw LKJ support Siouxsie and the Banshees, years ago. Couldn't understand a word he said at the time, although maturity has allowed to appreciate his work. A very wise man.
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by corblimeylimey on Aug 21, 2007 20:24:43 GMT 1, I'm with you Stuey & Nu on the poets, love LKJ & GSH wasn't it John Cooper Clarke who said "a friend in need is a friend in debt"
I'm with you Stuey & Nu on the poets, love LKJ & GSH wasn't it John Cooper Clarke who said "a friend in need is a friend in debt"
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by stuey09 on Aug 21, 2007 20:29:14 GMT 1, ;D A 20th century Confucious from Manchester. Who would believe it.
;D A 20th century Confucious from Manchester. Who would believe it.
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by corblimeylimey on Aug 21, 2007 20:30:55 GMT 1, That's cool but my point is if you don't care about the values you can see, hear, listen to all of this stuff for practically free via museums, radios, libraries etc. Or find books posters records for cheap.
It's nice to have you own personal collections, I have a large music collection, never have I thought about it's value future or present, except for the replacement cost for insurance purposes in case of loss.
The value of my music collection to sell will be under half what I paid for it, it could even be a tenth, I don't care, it's there for me to enjoy.
That's cool but my point is if you don't care about the values you can see, hear, listen to all of this stuff for practically free via museums, radios, libraries etc. Or find books posters records for cheap. It's nice to have you own personal collections, I have a large music collection, never have I thought about it's value future or present, except for the replacement cost for insurance purposes in case of loss. The value of my music collection to sell will be under half what I paid for it, it could even be a tenth, I don't care, it's there for me to enjoy. |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by numusic on Aug 21, 2007 20:36:21 GMT 1, I think the key here is differentiating between a real ORIGINAL PIECE OF ART (not these edition of 10 "originals") vs. the PRINTS. I think the latter is the basis for bubble talk as there is no intrinsic creative value to it. It really is just ink on fancy paper as all the creative work from the artist went into the original. After that its just technical a la the push of the "print" button...
Tell that to Chuck Close
I think the key here is differentiating between a real ORIGINAL PIECE OF ART (not these edition of 10 "originals") vs. the PRINTS. I think the latter is the basis for bubble talk as there is no intrinsic creative value to it. It really is just ink on fancy paper as all the creative work from the artist went into the original. After that its just technical a la the push of the "print" button... Tell that to Chuck Close |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by tomhills1 on Aug 21, 2007 20:47:13 GMT 1, It's nice to have you own personal collections, I have a large music collection, never have I thought about it's value future or present, except for the replacement cost for insurance purposes in case of loss. The value of my music collection to sell will be under half what I paid for it, it could even be a tenth, I don't care, it's there for me to enjoy.
i've got a copy of oasis what's the story album, the promo with step out that was then removed from the general release becasue of the legal battle with stevie wonder. i bought it because i thought it was something different for my collection but knowing how much it is worth is actually detrimental - i never ever play it, although it is on my ipod. as is the arctics first ever single, limited to 1500 copies.
my point, a little off tac, is that the increase in value of these items actually takes the enjoyment away from owning them, they become commodities worth X amount, as opposed to listening to them without prejudice.
who's to say that someone who bought them both for current value is only buying them for the kudos of that value, or whether they only just got up to speed on their existence?
It's nice to have you own personal collections, I have a large music collection, never have I thought about it's value future or present, except for the replacement cost for insurance purposes in case of loss. The value of my music collection to sell will be under half what I paid for it, it could even be a tenth, I don't care, it's there for me to enjoy. i've got a copy of oasis what's the story album, the promo with step out that was then removed from the general release becasue of the legal battle with stevie wonder. i bought it because i thought it was something different for my collection but knowing how much it is worth is actually detrimental - i never ever play it, although it is on my ipod. as is the arctics first ever single, limited to 1500 copies. my point, a little off tac, is that the increase in value of these items actually takes the enjoyment away from owning them, they become commodities worth X amount, as opposed to listening to them without prejudice. who's to say that someone who bought them both for current value is only buying them for the kudos of that value, or whether they only just got up to speed on their existence? |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by brainthedog on Aug 21, 2007 20:57:20 GMT 1, i just looked in my collection and i actually have that version of oasis' album. and here i was about donate it to goodwill! thanks lesbian!
i just looked in my collection and i actually have that version of oasis' album. and here i was about donate it to goodwill! thanks lesbian!
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by discoduster on Aug 21, 2007 21:01:50 GMT 1, I've got that first version of Ash's 1977 with one of them puking their ring up at the end of it.
I've got that first version of Ash's 1977 with one of them puking their ring up at the end of it. |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by dgb133 on Aug 21, 2007 21:03:17 GMT 1,
But my point is your collection of vinyl is NOT the art contained within. The collection is a superficial aspect of the art. You don't need a collection of vinyl to enjoy music. Just like you don't need a "real print" to get enjoyment out of art in life.
And if vinyl records were on the other hand were not 5 or 10 pounds but priced the same way prints were would you still justify spending several hundred on a single album simply becuase you enjoy it or would you just listen to it on the radio or download mp3s for cheap? Of course you would think more about it's value if it's prices have escalted like prices for Banksy have.
Which is my point. When you bought a Banksy for 200 pounds it's "value" crashing may not be as important to you. But as buying a Banksy for 200 pounds is a near impossibillity anymore (save POW which is a total crapshoot and may or may not release any more Banksy prints or maybe not that low) then I don't think I'm being superficial by considering it's current and future value.
But my point is your collection of vinyl is NOT the art contained within. The collection is a superficial aspect of the art. You don't need a collection of vinyl to enjoy music. Just like you don't need a "real print" to get enjoyment out of art in life.
And if vinyl records were on the other hand were not 5 or 10 pounds but priced the same way prints were would you still justify spending several hundred on a single album simply becuase you enjoy it or would you just listen to it on the radio or download mp3s for cheap? Of course you would think more about it's value if it's prices have escalted like prices for Banksy have.
Which is my point. When you bought a Banksy for 200 pounds it's "value" crashing may not be as important to you. But as buying a Banksy for 200 pounds is a near impossibillity anymore (save POW which is a total crapshoot and may or may not release any more Banksy prints or maybe not that low) then I don't think I'm being superficial by considering it's current and future value.
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by numusic on Aug 21, 2007 21:31:05 GMT 1, PRICE CRASH, WHO CARES ??
Result
For some it's everything, some care a LOT, some care but not unduly so, some are not all that bothered but would be a bit pissed if prices plummet, some truly don't give a shit, some would love to see prices plummet so they could buy what they love and at the moment can't afford. Some are happy with how things are.
Now can we end the thread ?
PRICE CRASH, WHO CARES ?? Result For some it's everything, some care a LOT, some care but not unduly so, some are not all that bothered but would be a bit pissed if prices plummet, some truly don't give a shit, some would love to see prices plummet so they could buy what they love and at the moment can't afford. Some are happy with how things are. Now can we end the thread ? |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by Curley on Aug 21, 2007 21:35:38 GMT 1,
I think it all boils down to reason why you bought a piece of art in the first place.
If you bought because you liked it and it would enhance your life, thats how it should be.
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything... maybe a few people should think about why they are buying, what it means to them and can they afford it before they buy it and rack up debts. Maybe all art websites should just state clearly underneath that the value of your art may go down as well as up.
And quite what the economy has to do with what i want on my walls... i have no idea.
Fine it may worth jack shit but it still looks f*cking good.
Quite frankly the constant reference the value is just boring. 
I think it all boils down to reason why you bought a piece of art in the first place. If you bought because you liked it and it would enhance your life, thats how it should be. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything... maybe a few people should think about why they are buying, what it means to them and can they afford it before they buy it and rack up debts. Maybe all art websites should just state clearly underneath that the value of your art may go down as well as up. And quite what the economy has to do with what i want on my walls... i have no idea. Fine it may worth jack shit but it still looks f*cking good. Quite frankly the constant reference the value is just boring. |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by pelle on Aug 21, 2007 21:35:57 GMT 1, Art is bought to enhance your life, it makes you a better, nicer more interesting person..to yourself, your family and your friends. It's full of meaning and creates thoughtful people of us all. It improves your life far more than "material goods" ever could.
I agree with some of this Nu. I do think that art is bought to enhance parts of your life and aspects of your personality. I don't necessarily believe that it alters who you are, though, but certainly how you are perceived to be.
Also, I'm pretty sure people buying fashionable clothes or other luxury products feel the same about the stuff they're into. We don't consume the material object but the symbol, as Baudrillard has said. So whether you're buying a painting or a Gucci handbag makes no real difference as you're essentially catering to your own image, both to yourself as spectator and to the eyes of the potential spectators around you.
And what's with the seperation of "art" and "material goods"? Are you telling me that you're only into pure conceptual art now? If art is separated from the material world, why are people on here, showing off their (very material) collections, having a cultural pissing contest of who's got the rarest bits on what paper and which edition?
Art is bought to enhance your life, it makes you a better, nicer more interesting person..to yourself, your family and your friends. It's full of meaning and creates thoughtful people of us all. It improves your life far more than "material goods" ever could. I agree with some of this Nu. I do think that art is bought to enhance parts of your life and aspects of your personality. I don't necessarily believe that it alters who you are, though, but certainly how you are perceived to be. Also, I'm pretty sure people buying fashionable clothes or other luxury products feel the same about the stuff they're into. We don't consume the material object but the symbol, as Baudrillard has said. So whether you're buying a painting or a Gucci handbag makes no real difference as you're essentially catering to your own image, both to yourself as spectator and to the eyes of the potential spectators around you. And what's with the seperation of "art" and "material goods"? Are you telling me that you're only into pure conceptual art now? If art is separated from the material world, why are people on here, showing off their (very material) collections, having a cultural pissing contest of who's got the rarest bits on what paper and which edition? |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by tomhills1 on Aug 21, 2007 21:48:09 GMT 1, PRICE CRASH, WHO CARES ?? Result For some it's everything, some care a LOT, some care but not unduly so, some are not all that bothered but would be a bit pissed if prices plummet, some truly don't give a s**t, some would love to see prices plummet so they could buy what they love and at the moment can't afford. Some are happy with how things are. Now can we end the thread ?
surely it's a conclusion, not a result?
sorry 
PRICE CRASH, WHO CARES ?? Result For some it's everything, some care a LOT, some care but not unduly so, some are not all that bothered but would be a bit pissed if prices plummet, some truly don't give a s**t, some would love to see prices plummet so they could buy what they love and at the moment can't afford. Some are happy with how things are. Now can we end the thread ? surely it's a conclusion, not a result? sorry |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by carlito on Aug 21, 2007 21:51:02 GMT 1, PRICE CRASH, WHO CARES ?? Result For some it's everything, some care a LOT, some care but not unduly so, some are not all that bothered but would be a bit pissed if prices plummet, some truly don't give a s**t, some would love to see prices plummet so they could buy what they love and at the moment can't afford. Some are happy with how things are. Now can we end the thread ?
here endeth the thread AMEN
PRICE CRASH, WHO CARES ?? Result For some it's everything, some care a LOT, some care but not unduly so, some are not all that bothered but would be a bit pissed if prices plummet, some truly don't give a s**t, some would love to see prices plummet so they could buy what they love and at the moment can't afford. Some are happy with how things are. Now can we end the thread ? here endeth the thread AMEN |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by numusic on Aug 21, 2007 21:53:24 GMT 1, Art is bought to enhance your life, it makes you a better, nicer more interesting person..to yourself, your family and your friends. It's full of meaning and creates thoughtful people of us all. It improves your life far more than "material goods" ever could. I agree with some of this Nu. I do think that art is bought to enhance parts of your life and aspects of your personality. I don't necessarily believe that it alters who you are, though, but certainly how you are perceived to be. Also, I'm pretty sure people buying fashionable clothes or other luxury products feel the same about the stuff they're into. We don't consume the material object but the symbol, as Baudrillard has said. So whether you're buying a painting or a Gucci handbag makes no real difference as you're essentially catering to your own image, both to yourself as spectator and to the eyes of the potential spectators around you. And what's with the seperation of "art" and "material goods"? Are you telling me that you're only into pure conceptual art now? If art is seperated from the material world, why are people on here, showing off their (very material) collections, having a cultural pissing contest of who's got the rarest bits on what paper and which edition?
The spectacle is everywhere
Art is bought to enhance your life, it makes you a better, nicer more interesting person..to yourself, your family and your friends. It's full of meaning and creates thoughtful people of us all. It improves your life far more than "material goods" ever could. I agree with some of this Nu. I do think that art is bought to enhance parts of your life and aspects of your personality. I don't necessarily believe that it alters who you are, though, but certainly how you are perceived to be. Also, I'm pretty sure people buying fashionable clothes or other luxury products feel the same about the stuff they're into. We don't consume the material object but the symbol, as Baudrillard has said. So whether you're buying a painting or a Gucci handbag makes no real difference as you're essentially catering to your own image, both to yourself as spectator and to the eyes of the potential spectators around you. And what's with the seperation of "art" and "material goods"? Are you telling me that you're only into pure conceptual art now? If art is seperated from the material world, why are people on here, showing off their (very material) collections, having a cultural pissing contest of who's got the rarest bits on what paper and which edition? The spectacle is everywhere |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by numusic on Aug 21, 2007 21:55:43 GMT 1, PRICE CRASH, WHO CARES ?? Result For some it's everything, some care a LOT, some care but not unduly so, some are not all that bothered but would be a bit pissed if prices plummet, some truly don't give a s**t, some would love to see prices plummet so they could buy what they love and at the moment can't afford. Some are happy with how things are. Now can we end the thread ? surely it's a conclusion, not a result? sorry
What's the result of the conclusion ?
PRICE CRASH, WHO CARES ?? Result For some it's everything, some care a LOT, some care but not unduly so, some are not all that bothered but would be a bit pissed if prices plummet, some truly don't give a s**t, some would love to see prices plummet so they could buy what they love and at the moment can't afford. Some are happy with how things are. Now can we end the thread ? surely it's a conclusion, not a result? sorry What's the result of the conclusion ? |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by Curley on Aug 21, 2007 22:00:29 GMT 1, surely it's a conclusion, not a result? sorry What's the result of the conclusion ?
i dont care ;D
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by sham69 on Aug 21, 2007 22:02:48 GMT 1, The things that you own end up owning you.
The things that you own end up owning you.
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by hankpank on Aug 21, 2007 22:03:29 GMT 1, LOL, more of a Gil Scott Heron man myself. Or even better, Linton Kwasi ! ... Inglan is a b**ch dere´s no escapin it Inglan is a b**ch is whey wi a goh dhu ´bout it?
I played support to Linton (and his tape machine) in '81!
LOL, more of a Gil Scott Heron man myself. Or even better, Linton Kwasi ! ... Inglan is a b**ch dere´s no escapin it Inglan is a b**ch is whey wi a goh dhu ´bout it? I played support to Linton (and his tape machine) in '81! |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by slacker on Aug 21, 2007 22:04:55 GMT 1, couldn't care less. i haven't actually sold a print and only have one which i don't think will ever make it onto my walls. if there is a general crash in the world markets leading to a drop in value then i hope that i can afford to buy a few of the prints that i really like but see no prospect of me owning at the moment.
couldn't care less. i haven't actually sold a print and only have one which i don't think will ever make it onto my walls. if there is a general crash in the world markets leading to a drop in value then i hope that i can afford to buy a few of the prints that i really like but see no prospect of me owning at the moment.
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by bobbymeachamjr on Aug 21, 2007 22:07:10 GMT 1, Art is bought to enhance your life, it makes you a better, nicer more interesting person..to yourself, your family and your friends. It's full of meaning and creates thoughtful people of us all. It improves your life far more than "material goods" ever could. I agree with some of this Nu. I do think that art is bought to enhance parts of your life and aspects of your personality. I don't necessarily believe that it alters who you are, though, but certainly how you are perceived to be. Also, I'm pretty sure people buying fashionable clothes or other luxury products feel the same about the stuff they're into. We don't consume the material object but the symbol, as Baudrillard has said. So whether you're buying a painting or a Gucci handbag makes no real difference as you're essentially catering to your own image, both to yourself as spectator and to the eyes of the potential spectators around you. And what's with the seperation of "art" and "material goods"? Are you telling me that you're only into pure conceptual art now? If art is seperated from the material world, why are people on here, showing off their (very material) collections, having a cultural pissing contest of who's got the rarest bits on what paper and which edition?
Great post Pelle, I believe this scene has blurred the lines between "art" and "material goods".
Art is bought to enhance your life, it makes you a better, nicer more interesting person..to yourself, your family and your friends. It's full of meaning and creates thoughtful people of us all. It improves your life far more than "material goods" ever could. I agree with some of this Nu. I do think that art is bought to enhance parts of your life and aspects of your personality. I don't necessarily believe that it alters who you are, though, but certainly how you are perceived to be. Also, I'm pretty sure people buying fashionable clothes or other luxury products feel the same about the stuff they're into. We don't consume the material object but the symbol, as Baudrillard has said. So whether you're buying a painting or a Gucci handbag makes no real difference as you're essentially catering to your own image, both to yourself as spectator and to the eyes of the potential spectators around you. And what's with the seperation of "art" and "material goods"? Are you telling me that you're only into pure conceptual art now? If art is seperated from the material world, why are people on here, showing off their (very material) collections, having a cultural pissing contest of who's got the rarest bits on what paper and which edition? Great post Pelle, I believe this scene has blurred the lines between "art" and "material goods". |
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Price Crash Who Cares???, by numusic on Aug 21, 2007 22:17:16 GMT 1, I agree with some of this Nu. I do think that art is bought to enhance parts of your life and aspects of your personality. I don't necessarily believe that it alters who you are, though, but certainly how you are perceived to be. Also, I'm pretty sure people buying fashionable clothes or other luxury products feel the same about the stuff they're into. We don't consume the material object but the symbol, as Baudrillard has said. So whether you're buying a painting or a Gucci handbag makes no real difference as you're essentially catering to your own image, both to yourself as spectator and to the eyes of the potential spectators around you. And what's with the seperation of "art" and "material goods"? Are you telling me that you're only into pure conceptual art now? If art is seperated from the material world, why are people on here, showing off their (very material) collections, having a cultural pissing contest of who's got the rarest bits on what paper and which edition? Great post Pelle, I believe this scene has blurred the lines between "art" and "material goods".
We’re only just beginning to understand the ramifications of Haring's impact on the world of fine art and consumerism but as much as they may influence each other, they'll always remain far far apart.
I agree with some of this Nu. I do think that art is bought to enhance parts of your life and aspects of your personality. I don't necessarily believe that it alters who you are, though, but certainly how you are perceived to be. Also, I'm pretty sure people buying fashionable clothes or other luxury products feel the same about the stuff they're into. We don't consume the material object but the symbol, as Baudrillard has said. So whether you're buying a painting or a Gucci handbag makes no real difference as you're essentially catering to your own image, both to yourself as spectator and to the eyes of the potential spectators around you. And what's with the seperation of "art" and "material goods"? Are you telling me that you're only into pure conceptual art now? If art is seperated from the material world, why are people on here, showing off their (very material) collections, having a cultural pissing contest of who's got the rarest bits on what paper and which edition? Great post Pelle, I believe this scene has blurred the lines between "art" and "material goods". We’re only just beginning to understand the ramifications of Haring's impact on the world of fine art and consumerism but as much as they may influence each other, they'll always remain far far apart. |
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Listen, if you can't afford a Banksy, tough shit. Go buy something you can afford. There's plenty of art out there. Go support someone else. Buying on the secondary market for thousands and thousands is something else, and yes, I'd agree that if you're doing this then you should perhaps consider it's future value. But, I'd suggest you buy things you like at source for a few hundred bucks instead of trying to jack into a scene that's already way beyond most peoples means. You might get away with maxing the CC once or twice, but make a habit of it and you're fucked. You'll be hitting ebay before you know it and getting rid of work that means something to you. Pretty much what we've been seeing after the Neate sales.
