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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by absyrd on Feb 22, 2007 0:36:13 GMT 1, Let us talk about something other than how you think POW should run their business. 
Blair pulled some 1,600 troops today.
www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/uk.iraq.troops/index.html
What are your feelings? Is this a small step toward total withdrawal? Is this just a lame attempt to quiet some of the opposition and save a little face before he leaves office?
EDIT: Please be calm when responding to something of this nature. Don't feed the urge to get nasty because you are hiding behind a computer monitor.
Let us talk about something other than how you think POW should run their business. Blair pulled some 1,600 troops today. www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/uk.iraq.troops/index.htmlWhat are your feelings? Is this a small step toward total withdrawal? Is this just a lame attempt to quiet some of the opposition and save a little face before he leaves office? EDIT: Please be calm when responding to something of this nature. Don't feed the urge to get nasty because you are hiding behind a computer monitor. |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by tadghostal on Feb 22, 2007 3:43:54 GMT 1, To everybody in Europe, and England as well <grin>:
America is SORRY. We thought he was a harmless frat boy. . .
To everybody in Europe, and England as well <grin>:
America is SORRY. We thought he was a harmless frat boy. . .
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by numusic on Feb 22, 2007 8:43:56 GMT 1, Let us talk about something other than how you think POW should run their business. Blair pulled some 1,600 troops today. www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/uk.iraq.troops/index.htmlWhat are your feelings? Is this a small step toward total withdrawal? Is this just a lame attempt to quiet some of the opposition and save a little face before he leaves office? EDIT: Please be calm when responding to something of this nature. Don't feed the urge to get nasty because you are hiding behind a computer monitor.
They were pulled cos they didn't have any guns or boots, he's sending em back next week. 
Let us talk about something other than how you think POW should run their business. Blair pulled some 1,600 troops today. www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/uk.iraq.troops/index.htmlWhat are your feelings? Is this a small step toward total withdrawal? Is this just a lame attempt to quiet some of the opposition and save a little face before he leaves office? EDIT: Please be calm when responding to something of this nature. Don't feed the urge to get nasty because you are hiding behind a computer monitor. They were pulled cos they didn't have any guns or boots, he's sending em back next week. |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by stuey09 on Feb 22, 2007 10:30:16 GMT 1, Let us talk about something other than how you think POW should run their business. Blair pulled some 1,600 troops today. www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/uk.iraq.troops/index.htmlWhat are your feelings? Is this a small step toward total withdrawal? Is this just a lame attempt to quiet some of the opposition and save a little face before he leaves office? EDIT: Please be calm when responding to something of this nature. Don't feed the urge to get nasty because you are hiding behind a computer monitor.
I think it's a cost cutting exercise. The war has cost the government an awful lot of money. By withdrawing troops, they have probably figured there will be enough in the pot to buy an original banksy off ebay. Just a theory of course 
Let us talk about something other than how you think POW should run their business. Blair pulled some 1,600 troops today. www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/21/uk.iraq.troops/index.htmlWhat are your feelings? Is this a small step toward total withdrawal? Is this just a lame attempt to quiet some of the opposition and save a little face before he leaves office? EDIT: Please be calm when responding to something of this nature. Don't feed the urge to get nasty because you are hiding behind a computer monitor. I think it's a cost cutting exercise. The war has cost the government an awful lot of money. By withdrawing troops, they have probably figured there will be enough in the pot to buy an original banksy off ebay. Just a theory of course |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by mcnuts on Feb 22, 2007 10:58:58 GMT 1, Blair got a bit of a grilling on Radio 4 this morning. Though not sure how many folks like to wake up with John Humphreys here
Blair got a bit of a grilling on Radio 4 this morning. Though not sure how many folks like to wake up with John Humphreys here |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by headphonesex on Feb 22, 2007 10:59:24 GMT 1, To everybody in Europe, and England as well <grin>: America is SORRY. We thought he was a harmless frat boy. . .
Even the second time?
To everybody in Europe, and England as well <grin>: America is SORRY. We thought he was a harmless frat boy. . . Even the second time? |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by danvnuk on Feb 22, 2007 11:18:20 GMT 1, Apparently - last month was the most violent month in terms of KIA and WIA in Iraq for British troops for over a year....A Hercules that had to land in Maysan province (A 'secure' area turned over to be policed by the Iraqi forces) could not be repaired easily, so they blew it up rather than let if fall into enemy hands. Hardly an atmosphere for Troop reductions is it?
The reductions are Politically driven, to make it look like Blairs getting somewhere....seems like the poor squaddies who are at the sharp end are going to get shafted once again with even less backup and boots on the ground to make Labour look like its achieving its goals.
My pence worth ;D
Apparently - last month was the most violent month in terms of KIA and WIA in Iraq for British troops for over a year....A Hercules that had to land in Maysan province (A 'secure' area turned over to be policed by the Iraqi forces) could not be repaired easily, so they blew it up rather than let if fall into enemy hands. Hardly an atmosphere for Troop reductions is it?
The reductions are Politically driven, to make it look like Blairs getting somewhere....seems like the poor squaddies who are at the sharp end are going to get shafted once again with even less backup and boots on the ground to make Labour look like its achieving its goals.
My pence worth ;D
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by corblimeylimey on Feb 22, 2007 11:20:16 GMT 1, To everybody in Europe, and England as well <grin>: America is SORRY. We thought he was a harmless frat boy. . . Even the second time?
You've got to remember they didn't vote him in the second time, they just counted wrong.
To everybody in Europe, and England as well <grin>: America is SORRY. We thought he was a harmless frat boy. . . Even the second time? You've got to remember they didn't vote him in the second time, they just counted wrong. |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by goffy on Feb 22, 2007 11:50:13 GMT 1, I had been away for a year and a half, and I remember landing back in the U.K. on the day Labour was voted into power after so many years of Tory government. I remember the optimism we had and now I have seen it disappear. Despite what Tony Blair has achieved his legacy will be the disaster that is the Iraq war. By reducing the troops he wants to give the impression of 'job done' I just hope he is gone before that lunatic George Bush and his League of Extraordinary Evil Men decide to move on to their third target, Iran.
I had been away for a year and a half, and I remember landing back in the U.K. on the day Labour was voted into power after so many years of Tory government. I remember the optimism we had and now I have seen it disappear. Despite what Tony Blair has achieved his legacy will be the disaster that is the Iraq war. By reducing the troops he wants to give the impression of 'job done' I just hope he is gone before that lunatic George Bush and his League of Extraordinary Evil Men decide to move on to their third target, Iran.
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by misteraitch on Feb 22, 2007 11:55:32 GMT 1, You've got to remember they didn't vote him in the second time, they just counted wrong.
They didn't vote him in the first time - did they?
You've got to remember they didn't vote him in the second time, they just counted wrong. They didn't vote him in the first time - did they? |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by smashedhat on Feb 22, 2007 13:27:43 GMT 1, I had been away for a year and a half, and I remember landing back in the U.K. on the day Labour was voted into power after so many years of Tory government. I remember the optimism we had and now I have seen it disappear
You should check out the documentary Live Forever (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358569/), it's an amazing narrative on the rise of Britpop and the feeling of optimism surrounding New Labour at the time. And it's subsequent fall though manages to end on a fairly positive note.
I had been away for a year and a half, and I remember landing back in the U.K. on the day Labour was voted into power after so many years of Tory government. I remember the optimism we had and now I have seen it disappear You should check out the documentary Live Forever (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0358569/), it's an amazing narrative on the rise of Britpop and the feeling of optimism surrounding New Labour at the time. And it's subsequent fall though manages to end on a fairly positive note. |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by smashedhat on Feb 22, 2007 13:54:08 GMT 1, Yeah too right. Anyone who's spent many hours playing Cilivization will tell you that changing type to Democracy results in several years of rioting. Unless you build a Statue of Liberty. I'm not sure how well that would go down though
Yeah too right. Anyone who's spent many hours playing Cilivization will tell you that changing type to Democracy results in several years of rioting. Unless you build a Statue of Liberty. I'm not sure how well that would go down though
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by absyrd on Feb 22, 2007 14:04:54 GMT 1, You think if we didn't go there, the children would have less exposure to guns and fighting? They had little chance for a "settled environment" without other countries intervening.
Iran has been surrounded by Sunni controlled nations for a long time, and now they see this war as an opportunity to fortify Shiites in a neighboring country. Iranians are pumping money into Iraq saying it is for women's centers, schools, etc., but supposedly they refuse to keep any record of where it actually ends up. This makes me feel a bit like we are actually facilitating a prolonged war in this area of the world. I think your "50 years" may be quite a bit short of the mark, Silk.
Regardless of Blair's motives and the actual outcome, I can't hate on the move at all. Over the next few days 1,600 men will be out of the line of fire. It just further proves that public opinion can still make a difference, and maybe will give a few more people the confidence to speak out.
You think if we didn't go there, the children would have less exposure to guns and fighting? They had little chance for a "settled environment" without other countries intervening. Iran has been surrounded by Sunni controlled nations for a long time, and now they see this war as an opportunity to fortify Shiites in a neighboring country. Iranians are pumping money into Iraq saying it is for women's centers, schools, etc., but supposedly they refuse to keep any record of where it actually ends up. This makes me feel a bit like we are actually facilitating a prolonged war in this area of the world. I think your "50 years" may be quite a bit short of the mark, Silk. Regardless of Blair's motives and the actual outcome, I can't hate on the move at all. Over the next few days 1,600 men will be out of the line of fire. It just further proves that public opinion can still make a difference, and maybe will give a few more people the confidence to speak out. |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by corblimeylimey on Feb 22, 2007 14:14:37 GMT 1, The US is pumping much more cash into Iraq than Iran is, and we don't know where that money is going either.
It's a total mess, that needn't of happened if the UK & the US hadn't got involved.
The US is pumping much more cash into Iraq than Iran is, and we don't know where that money is going either.
It's a total mess, that needn't of happened if the UK & the US hadn't got involved.
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by ogrgel on Feb 22, 2007 14:16:25 GMT 1, You think if we didn't go there, the children would have less exposure to guns and fighting? They had little chance for a "settled environment" without other countries intervening. Iran has been surrounded by Sunni controlled nations for a long time, and now they see this war as an opportunity to fortify Shiites in a neighboring country. Iranians are pumping money into Iraq saying it is for women's centers, schools, etc., but supposedly they refuse to keep any record of where it actually ends up. This makes me feel a bit like we are actually facilitating a prolonged war in this area of the world. I think your "50 years" may be quite a bit short of the mark, Silk. Regardless of Blair's motives and the actual outcome, I can't hate on the move at all. Over the next few days 1,600 men will be out of the line of fire. It just further proves that public opinion can still make a difference, and maybe will give a few more people the confidence to speak out.
if he'd care about public opinion he wouldn't sent the troops there in the first place .. but what do I know
You think if we didn't go there, the children would have less exposure to guns and fighting? They had little chance for a "settled environment" without other countries intervening. Iran has been surrounded by Sunni controlled nations for a long time, and now they see this war as an opportunity to fortify Shiites in a neighboring country. Iranians are pumping money into Iraq saying it is for women's centers, schools, etc., but supposedly they refuse to keep any record of where it actually ends up. This makes me feel a bit like we are actually facilitating a prolonged war in this area of the world. I think your "50 years" may be quite a bit short of the mark, Silk. Regardless of Blair's motives and the actual outcome, I can't hate on the move at all. Over the next few days 1,600 men will be out of the line of fire. It just further proves that public opinion can still make a difference, and maybe will give a few more people the confidence to speak out. if he'd care about public opinion he wouldn't sent the troops there in the first place .. but what do I know |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by absyrd on Feb 22, 2007 14:22:39 GMT 1, The US is pumping much more cash into Iraq than Iran is, and we don't know where that money is going either. It's a total mess, that needn't of happened if the UK & the US hadn't got involved.
That is the point I was trying to make.
The difference between us and Iran in regards to accounting is that we SAY that we are keeping track.
The US is pumping much more cash into Iraq than Iran is, and we don't know where that money is going either. It's a total mess, that needn't of happened if the UK & the US hadn't got involved. That is the point I was trying to make. The difference between us and Iran in regards to accounting is that we SAY that we are keeping track. |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by goffy on Feb 22, 2007 14:49:30 GMT 1, George Bush wants to bring Democracy to Iraq, it will never happen. Muslims in the middle east do not want to live in a democracy. This is not a sweeping statement, I have lived in the Middle East and have experienced peoples attitude first hand. Sharia law has nothing to do with democracy except to convict someone that person must confess to the 'crime' or it has 'to be witnessed by two upstanding muslim males' Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries.
George Bush wants to bring Democracy to Iraq, it will never happen. Muslims in the middle east do not want to live in a democracy. This is not a sweeping statement, I have lived in the Middle East and have experienced peoples attitude first hand. Sharia law has nothing to do with democracy except to convict someone that person must confess to the 'crime' or it has 'to be witnessed by two upstanding muslim males' Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries.
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by stuey09 on Feb 22, 2007 14:56:54 GMT 1, Going back to the original point, I'm glad that we're starting to draw down. I was there in 2004 and it's not a great place to be. A waste of money and resources that could be concentrated elsewhere. And I don't mean Iran.
Going back to the original point, I'm glad that we're starting to draw down. I was there in 2004 and it's not a great place to be. A waste of money and resources that could be concentrated elsewhere. And I don't mean Iran.
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by slowmo on Feb 22, 2007 15:11:47 GMT 1, Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries.
Thats a very good point
Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries. Thats a very good point |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by Daniel Silk on Feb 22, 2007 15:24:10 GMT 1, Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries. Thats a very good point
Lets get successful democracy in the UK first ;D
Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries. Thats a very good point Lets get successful democracy in the UK first ;D |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by saltandiron on Feb 22, 2007 15:49:06 GMT 1, Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries.
Turkey
Algeria
Senegal
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by qprfc1967 on Feb 22, 2007 16:40:20 GMT 1, great withdraw 1600 troops and send in harry ( 2nd in line ) with a handful of buddies. i was at school when thatch was around , looking back she didnt do a bad job . as youngsters we seemed to have had more opportunities and incentives to do well , where as now for a lot of familes it pays not to work claim all your benefits and live a good old life ,
working on many london estates see this 1st hand , and theyre proud of it. car tax paid , council tax paid , congestion paid , school dinners paid , travel paid , family tax credit etc etc etc these people end up worse off getting a 2/300 pound a week job.
they all smoke & drink , got 40" plasmas no wonder labour keep getting in ..........................feel better now ;D god even the smilie looks like cherie ( apparanently her mouths that big cause tonys the biggest knob in parliament & she takes anything) also anagram of tony cherie blair is tony bee rich liar
great withdraw 1600 troops and send in harry ( 2nd in line ) with a handful of buddies. i was at school when thatch was around , looking back she didnt do a bad job . as youngsters we seemed to have had more opportunities and incentives to do well , where as now for a lot of familes it pays not to work claim all your benefits and live a good old life ,
working on many london estates see this 1st hand , and theyre proud of it. car tax paid , council tax paid , congestion paid , school dinners paid , travel paid , family tax credit etc etc etc these people end up worse off getting a 2/300 pound a week job.
they all smoke & drink , got 40" plasmas no wonder labour keep getting in ..........................feel better now ;D god even the smilie looks like cherie ( apparanently her mouths that big cause tonys the biggest knob in parliament & she takes anything) also anagram of tony cherie blair is tony bee rich liar
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by numusic on Feb 22, 2007 16:49:13 GMT 1, The US is pumping much more cash into Iraq than Iran is, and we don't know where that money is going either. It's a total mess, that needn't of happened if the UK & the US hadn't got involved.
Think you'll shortly find that they're pumping a hell of a lot more out than In
The US is pumping much more cash into Iraq than Iran is, and we don't know where that money is going either. It's a total mess, that needn't of happened if the UK & the US hadn't got involved. Think you'll shortly find that they're pumping a hell of a lot more out than In |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by Cocteau 101 on Feb 22, 2007 16:54:57 GMT 1, Hang on - lets not start doing a PR job on Thatcher - the reason we got money making scalpers buying prints to flog on ebay can be led right back to the " get on your bike" "greed is good" " every t**t for themselves mentality that prevailed through the 80's and has eventually led to family breakdown, urban decay etc etc etc. I know things aren't great and much improvement is needed but that govt damaged the country more than any other and we are still feeling the consequences. ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS
Hang on - lets not start doing a PR job on Thatcher - the reason we got money making scalpers buying prints to flog on ebay can be led right back to the " get on your bike" "greed is good" " every t**t for themselves mentality that prevailed through the 80's and has eventually led to family breakdown, urban decay etc etc etc. I know things aren't great and much improvement is needed but that govt damaged the country more than any other and we are still feeling the consequences. ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by numusic on Feb 22, 2007 17:00:04 GMT 1, George Bush wants to bring Democracy to Iraq, it will never happen. Muslims in the middle east do not want to live in a democracy. This is not a sweeping statement, I have lived in the Middle East and have experienced peoples attitude first hand. Sharia law has nothing to do with democracy except to convict someone that person must confess to the 'crime' or it has 'to be witnessed by two upstanding muslim males' Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries.
Depends how you define success.. if it's based on retaining a system without commiting any of the following; undermining economies of other nations, waging global wars, arming opposing ethnic groups, supporting genocide, assisinating democratically elected leaders of foreign powers, staging coups, creating puppet governmnets, raping weaker nations of their valuable resources and invading sovereign states.. then democracy is looking pretty f*cking lame if you ask me.
George Bush wants to bring Democracy to Iraq, it will never happen. Muslims in the middle east do not want to live in a democracy. This is not a sweeping statement, I have lived in the Middle East and have experienced peoples attitude first hand. Sharia law has nothing to do with democracy except to convict someone that person must confess to the 'crime' or it has 'to be witnessed by two upstanding muslim males' Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries. Depends how you define success.. if it's based on retaining a system without commiting any of the following; undermining economies of other nations, waging global wars, arming opposing ethnic groups, supporting genocide, assisinating democratically elected leaders of foreign powers, staging coups, creating puppet governmnets, raping weaker nations of their valuable resources and invading sovereign states.. then democracy is looking pretty f*cking lame if you ask me. |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by numusic on Feb 22, 2007 17:07:28 GMT 1, Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries. Thats a very good point
What's a good point ? that you can't name 3 ?
Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries. Thats a very good point What's a good point ? that you can't name 3 ? |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by numusic on Feb 22, 2007 17:09:12 GMT 1, Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries. Turkey Algeria Senegal
Now try and name 3 successful democratic "Christian" ones
Name 3 successful democratic muslim countries. Turkey Algeria Senegal Now try and name 3 successful democratic "Christian" ones |
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Wrong War. Blair withdraws troops., by absyrd on Feb 22, 2007 17:10:19 GMT 1, Think you'll shortly find that they're pumping a hell of a lot more out than In
Over the last 2 months, I've watched oil prices (by the barrel) drop.
The strange thing is that my local gas stations are still at an all-time high.
Hmmmmmmmmmm... 
Think you'll shortly find that they're pumping a hell of a lot more out than In Over the last 2 months, I've watched oil prices (by the barrel) drop. The strange thing is that my local gas stations are still at an all-time high. Hmmmmmmmmmm... |
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The younger generations in those countries need grow up in a settled environment, so they don't believe carrying a gun around and blowing things up is normal 
