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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by simonf on Aug 9, 2011 15:24:05 GMT 1, It is clearly terrible what happened, But there really has to be a reason why things happen. Your reason is that they are nasty people. Ok fair enough. I would have to suppose then that in Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc they are not rioting... because (using your logic) they don't have nasty people there. So the question is this... if it is quite simply being nasty that is the reason why people riot, why do we have so many nasty people in this country?... although you don't call them people you call them animals of course. Are we just letting nasty people in to this country... that other countries don't let in? Or perhaps we have some system of making lots of young people nasty in a way that other countries don't... but of course that can't be true because that would suggest a reason beyond simple nastiness. You say: "My contempt for them knows no bounds. My feelings for those who try and blame Government/ Police action/ Social deprevation/ anyone else (please delete as applicable) for the actions of these animals are the same." It is interesting to note that the most social cohesion is generally exhibited by a smaller gap between rich and poor... e.g. the nordic countries... very low crime... but anyway as you say that has nothing to do with it So that brings us back to the central conundrum Why do we have so many nasty people in this country... it seems they don't they have nasty people in most of europe?... why only here? I just don't understand that Have you seen how they treat peaceful protesters in the rest of Europe let alone rioters might be why they don't have to deal with riots like this
Ok so what you think we should have is a really violent police force?
interesting point of view to express on a Banksy forum.
So that is where we are going wrong... for us to catch up with the rest of europe we need to train our police in being more violent... ok sorted!
so far we have had
1 get rid of the human rights act
2 scare the s**t out of kids,
3 make our police as violent as the Spanish
and we have all agreed that inequality and rampant consumerism coupled with social and financial divisions are total irrelevant to social disorder.
... well at least we are finally getting some interesting, progressive and forward thinking answers from this art forum... nice 
It is clearly terrible what happened, But there really has to be a reason why things happen. Your reason is that they are nasty people. Ok fair enough. I would have to suppose then that in Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc they are not rioting... because (using your logic) they don't have nasty people there. So the question is this... if it is quite simply being nasty that is the reason why people riot, why do we have so many nasty people in this country?... although you don't call them people you call them animals of course. Are we just letting nasty people in to this country... that other countries don't let in? Or perhaps we have some system of making lots of young people nasty in a way that other countries don't... but of course that can't be true because that would suggest a reason beyond simple nastiness. You say: "My contempt for them knows no bounds. My feelings for those who try and blame Government/ Police action/ Social deprevation/ anyone else (please delete as applicable) for the actions of these animals are the same." It is interesting to note that the most social cohesion is generally exhibited by a smaller gap between rich and poor... e.g. the nordic countries... very low crime... but anyway as you say that has nothing to do with it So that brings us back to the central conundrum Why do we have so many nasty people in this country... it seems they don't they have nasty people in most of europe?... why only here? I just don't understand that Have you seen how they treat peaceful protesters in the rest of Europe let alone rioters might be why they don't have to deal with riots like this [/quote] Ok so what you think we should have is a really violent police force? interesting point of view to express on a Banksy forum. So that is where we are going wrong... for us to catch up with the rest of europe we need to train our police in being more violent... ok sorted! so far we have had 1 get rid of the human rights act 2 scare the s**t out of kids, 3 make our police as violent as the Spanish and we have all agreed that inequality and rampant consumerism coupled with social and financial divisions are total irrelevant to social disorder. ... well at least we are finally getting some interesting, progressive and forward thinking answers from this art forum... nice |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by freeview on Aug 9, 2011 15:31:01 GMT 1, MORRISONS in camden IS STARTING TO CLOSING DOWN THEIR TILLS NOW seems likeee.. madness will happen again tonight.. stay safe tonight guys
I notice your good freind cartrain is in the thick of things 
Birds of a feather and all that 
MORRISONS in camden IS STARTING TO CLOSING DOWN THEIR TILLS NOW seems likeee.. madness will happen again tonight.. stay safe tonight guys I notice your good freind cartrain is in the thick of things Birds of a feather and all that |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by 10th Mountain on Aug 9, 2011 15:42:08 GMT 1, Send in 1 and 2 para and some marines. Take their guns away, let them play with the only rule being don't kill anyone. The greed riots will end and we can watch the fun on YouTube.
Send in 1 and 2 para and some marines. Take their guns away, let them play with the only rule being don't kill anyone. The greed riots will end and we can watch the fun on YouTube.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by simonf on Aug 9, 2011 15:46:41 GMT 1, Send in 1 and 2 para and some marines. Take their guns away, let them play with the only rule being don't kill anyone. The greed riots will end and we can watch the fun on YouTube.
oh that's a new one!
ok so...
1 repeal the human rights act
2 train the police in extreme violence
3 scare the shit out of kids
4 send in the army to seriously assault anyone in the vicinity
god I love art forums..... so much better than the Tory one I used to read lol
Send in 1 and 2 para and some marines. Take their guns away, let them play with the only rule being don't kill anyone. The greed riots will end and we can watch the fun on YouTube. oh that's a new one! ok so... 1 repeal the human rights act 2 train the police in extreme violence 3 scare the shit out of kids 4 send in the army to seriously assault anyone in the vicinity god I love art forums..... so much better than the Tory one I used to read lol |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by balibob on Aug 9, 2011 15:48:51 GMT 1, It's a matter of consequences. At the moment, in this country these rioters are getting away with it. If it was your house/car/business that was about to get torched and there were police around, you would hope they would stop it.
Thats what we would like our police to do, using sufficient force to get the job done quickly and effectively. But they are not doing that just incase that if the bop a scumbag on the head as he is just about to throw a chair through a window, they are charged with infinging his human rights.
When caught, the rioters are likely to get a tiny slap on the wrist and told not to be a naughty boy again.
Funnily enough, when I was a kid I was sh1t scared of the police who I was raised to respect, and never had to worry about being baton charged because I wouldn't have been there in the first place.
If it means in this instance that to resolve these riots, the police have to weigh in and put a few hundred of the b*stards in hospital (hopefully the nearest one is one of the those they have attacked - so no staff) I personally will be cheering them on.
You have to be responsible for your own actions, and when they are malicious, violent and unlawful, the consequences should be a lot more severe than we see at the moment.
When 1 tw*t says to another one 'lets go on the rampage' the answer should be 'f**k no, you remember what they did to us last time'.
It's a matter of consequences. At the moment, in this country these rioters are getting away with it. If it was your house/car/business that was about to get torched and there were police around, you would hope they would stop it.
Thats what we would like our police to do, using sufficient force to get the job done quickly and effectively. But they are not doing that just incase that if the bop a scumbag on the head as he is just about to throw a chair through a window, they are charged with infinging his human rights.
When caught, the rioters are likely to get a tiny slap on the wrist and told not to be a naughty boy again.
Funnily enough, when I was a kid I was sh1t scared of the police who I was raised to respect, and never had to worry about being baton charged because I wouldn't have been there in the first place.
If it means in this instance that to resolve these riots, the police have to weigh in and put a few hundred of the b*stards in hospital (hopefully the nearest one is one of the those they have attacked - so no staff) I personally will be cheering them on.
You have to be responsible for your own actions, and when they are malicious, violent and unlawful, the consequences should be a lot more severe than we see at the moment.
When 1 tw*t says to another one 'lets go on the rampage' the answer should be 'f**k no, you remember what they did to us last time'.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by saint on Aug 9, 2011 15:52:58 GMT 1, Simon, we could send in some hungry mountain lions? or if we use jurassic park style tecnowhatsit we could send in a pack of velociraptors..... imagine the look on the looters faces if they busted into greggs and a velociraptor gutted them with their big old thumb claw....
Simon, we could send in some hungry mountain lions? or if we use jurassic park style tecnowhatsit we could send in a pack of velociraptors..... imagine the look on the looters faces if they busted into greggs and a velociraptor gutted them with their big old thumb claw....
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by jesustheba on Aug 9, 2011 15:55:29 GMT 1, It is clearly terrible what happened, But there really has to be a reason why things happen. Your reason is that they are nasty people. Ok fair enough. I would have to suppose then that in Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc they are not rioting... because (using your logic) they don't have nasty people there. So the question is this... if it is quite simply being nasty that is the reason why people riot, why do we have so many nasty people in this country?... although you don't call them people you call them animals of course. Are we just letting nasty people in to this country... that other countries don't let in? Or perhaps we have some system of making lots of young people nasty in a way that other countries don't... but of course that can't be true because that would suggest a reason beyond simple nastiness. You say: "My contempt for them knows no bounds. My feelings for those who try and blame Government/ Police action/ Social deprevation/ anyone else (please delete as applicable) for the actions of these animals are the same." It is interesting to note that the most social cohesion is generally exhibited by a smaller gap between rich and poor... e.g. the nordic countries... very low crime... but anyway as you say that has nothing to do with it So that brings us back to the central conundrum Why do we have so many nasty people in this country... it seems they don't they have nasty people in most of europe?... why only here? I just don't understand that Have you seen how they treat peaceful protesters in the rest of Europe let alone rioters might be why they don't have to deal with riots like this
Ok so what you think we should have is a really violent police force?
interesting point of view to express on a Banksy forum.
So that is where we are going wrong... for us to catch up with the rest of europe we need to train our police in being more violent... ok sorted!
so far we have had
1 get rid of the human rights act
2 scare the s**t out of kids,
3 make our police as violent as the Spanish
and we have all agreed that inequality and rampant consumerism coupled with social and financial divisions are total irrelevant to social disorder.
... well at least we are finally getting some interesting, progressive and forward thinking answers from this art forum... nice [/quote]
My point was there has to be some sort of deterrent for people not to do these things, which we don't have
I wasn't saying we should have a police force like the Spanish just replying to your question why don't other countries have this problem with the answer maybe they have a deterrent not to
and what diffenece does it make that this is the Banksy forum to my opinion
It is clearly terrible what happened, But there really has to be a reason why things happen. Your reason is that they are nasty people. Ok fair enough. I would have to suppose then that in Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc they are not rioting... because (using your logic) they don't have nasty people there. So the question is this... if it is quite simply being nasty that is the reason why people riot, why do we have so many nasty people in this country?... although you don't call them people you call them animals of course. Are we just letting nasty people in to this country... that other countries don't let in? Or perhaps we have some system of making lots of young people nasty in a way that other countries don't... but of course that can't be true because that would suggest a reason beyond simple nastiness. You say: "My contempt for them knows no bounds. My feelings for those who try and blame Government/ Police action/ Social deprevation/ anyone else (please delete as applicable) for the actions of these animals are the same." It is interesting to note that the most social cohesion is generally exhibited by a smaller gap between rich and poor... e.g. the nordic countries... very low crime... but anyway as you say that has nothing to do with it So that brings us back to the central conundrum Why do we have so many nasty people in this country... it seems they don't they have nasty people in most of europe?... why only here? I just don't understand that Have you seen how they treat peaceful protesters in the rest of Europe let alone rioters might be why they don't have to deal with riots like this Ok so what you think we should have is a really violent police force? interesting point of view to express on a Banksy forum. So that is where we are going wrong... for us to catch up with the rest of europe we need to train our police in being more violent... ok sorted! so far we have had 1 get rid of the human rights act 2 scare the s**t out of kids, 3 make our police as violent as the Spanish and we have all agreed that inequality and rampant consumerism coupled with social and financial divisions are total irrelevant to social disorder. ... well at least we are finally getting some interesting, progressive and forward thinking answers from this art forum... nice [/quote] My point was there has to be some sort of deterrent for people not to do these things, which we don't have I wasn't saying we should have a police force like the Spanish just replying to your question why don't other countries have this problem with the answer maybe they have a deterrent not to and what diffenece does it make that this is the Banksy forum to my opinion |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by fingerz on Aug 9, 2011 15:57:12 GMT 1, wonder if theresa may changes her mind about reducing the amount of coppers by 35,000
wonder if theresa may changes her mind about reducing the amount of coppers by 35,000
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by simonf on Aug 9, 2011 15:58:26 GMT 1, It's a matter of consequences. At the moment, in this country these rioters are getting away with it. If it was your house/car/business that was about to get torched and there were police around, you would hope they would stop it. Thats what we would like our police to do, using sufficient force to get the job done quickly and effectively. But they are not doing that just incase that if the bop a scumbag on the head as he is just about to throw a chair through a window, they are charged with infinging his human rights. When caught, the rioters are likely to get a tiny slap on the wrist and told not to be a naughty boy again. Funnily enough, when I was a kid I was sh1t scared of the police who I was raised to respect, and never had to worry about being baton charged because I wouldn't have been there in the first place. If it means in this instance that to resolve these riots, the police have to weigh in and put a few hundred of the b*stards in hospital (hopefully the nearest one is one of the those they have attacked - so no staff) I personally will be cheering them on. You have to be responsible for your own actions, and when they are malicious, violent and unlawful, the consequences should be a lot more severe than we see at the moment. When 1 tw*t says to another one 'lets go on the rampage' the answer should be 'f**k no, you remember what they did to us last time'.
SO yes that is seems to be the point of view of this forum generally, that we should abandon the human rights act (end of gay marriages, guaranteed female equality - all of which are of course protected by the act)
And what we really need our police to be a lot more violent, beating and killing as necessary.
it seems this forum seems to think we have a real problem with the police not being violent enough.
As I look through the posts the one thing we all want is an extremely violent police force.
I do find that interesting for a Banksy forum.... i'm not saying it's wrong I'm all for the police beating people senseless.
But in cases like Ian Tomlinson will of course happen every day... but I guess no one seems to mind that
It's a matter of consequences. At the moment, in this country these rioters are getting away with it. If it was your house/car/business that was about to get torched and there were police around, you would hope they would stop it. Thats what we would like our police to do, using sufficient force to get the job done quickly and effectively. But they are not doing that just incase that if the bop a scumbag on the head as he is just about to throw a chair through a window, they are charged with infinging his human rights. When caught, the rioters are likely to get a tiny slap on the wrist and told not to be a naughty boy again. Funnily enough, when I was a kid I was sh1t scared of the police who I was raised to respect, and never had to worry about being baton charged because I wouldn't have been there in the first place. If it means in this instance that to resolve these riots, the police have to weigh in and put a few hundred of the b*stards in hospital (hopefully the nearest one is one of the those they have attacked - so no staff) I personally will be cheering them on. You have to be responsible for your own actions, and when they are malicious, violent and unlawful, the consequences should be a lot more severe than we see at the moment. When 1 tw*t says to another one 'lets go on the rampage' the answer should be 'f**k no, you remember what they did to us last time'. SO yes that is seems to be the point of view of this forum generally, that we should abandon the human rights act (end of gay marriages, guaranteed female equality - all of which are of course protected by the act) And what we really need our police to be a lot more violent, beating and killing as necessary. it seems this forum seems to think we have a real problem with the police not being violent enough. As I look through the posts the one thing we all want is an extremely violent police force. I do find that interesting for a Banksy forum.... i'm not saying it's wrong I'm all for the police beating people senseless. But in cases like Ian Tomlinson will of course happen every day... but I guess no one seems to mind that |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by balibob on Aug 9, 2011 16:00:10 GMT 1, Simon, we could send in some hungry mountain lions? or if we use jurassic park style tecnowhatsit we could send in a pack of velociraptors..... imagine the look on the looters faces if they busted into greggs and a velociraptor gutted them with their big old thumb claw....
lovin that, but how about setting the London zoo animals on 'em. They must be pissed off with all the noise and will be well stroppy.
Simon, we could send in some hungry mountain lions? or if we use jurassic park style tecnowhatsit we could send in a pack of velociraptors..... imagine the look on the looters faces if they busted into greggs and a velociraptor gutted them with their big old thumb claw.... lovin that, but how about setting the London zoo animals on 'em. They must be pissed off with all the noise and will be well stroppy. |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by freeview on Aug 9, 2011 16:01:04 GMT 1, The guardia civil would put a stop to it within the hour bish,bash,bosh!
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by 10th Mountain on Aug 9, 2011 16:02:13 GMT 1, I have just driven past some of the shops that have been affected by the poor victims of our society and if I find it hard to rationalise your advocation of this behaviour and justify it with social and political arguments. I do not want to live in a third world despotism, but I do want to not feel threatened by mob rule. I can only think that the justification argument comes from the well cloistered, well heeled or from those living in a sleepy village playing anarchist at others expense.
IMO.
I have just driven past some of the shops that have been affected by the poor victims of our society and if I find it hard to rationalise your advocation of this behaviour and justify it with social and political arguments. I do not want to live in a third world despotism, but I do want to not feel threatened by mob rule. I can only think that the justification argument comes from the well cloistered, well heeled or from those living in a sleepy village playing anarchist at others expense.
IMO.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by simonf on Aug 9, 2011 16:06:02 GMT 1, Ok so what you think we should have is a really violent police force? interesting point of view to express on a Banksy forum. So that is where we are going wrong... for us to catch up with the rest of europe we need to train our police in being more violent... ok sorted! so far we have had 1 get rid of the human rights act 2 scare the s**t out of kids, 3 make our police as violent as the Spanish and we have all agreed that inequality and rampant consumerism coupled with social and financial divisions are total irrelevant to social disorder. ... well at least we are finally getting some interesting, progressive and forward thinking answers from this art forum... nice
My point was there has to be some sort of deterrent for people not to do these things, which we don't have
I wasn't saying we should have a police force like the Spanish just replying to your question why don't other countries have this problem with the answer maybe they have a deterrent not to
and what diffenece does it make that this is the Banksy forum to my opinion[/quote]
By posting the video of violent Spanish Police as a reason why Spain doesn't have riots. You are suggesting Spanish police violence is the reason.
Perhaps I got that wrong... if it is not the violence of the police you were referring to then I don't know what the point of the link was.
As for the Banksy thing... I thought that would be obvious... as a forum loosely based on the work of a criminal, who has spent his career avoiding the police, and creating criminal damage as a livelyhood.
To use the forum to promote the idea that the answer to social problems and criminal damage is increasing the level of police violence, I found interesting - that's all.
Ok so what you think we should have is a really violent police force? interesting point of view to express on a Banksy forum. So that is where we are going wrong... for us to catch up with the rest of europe we need to train our police in being more violent... ok sorted! so far we have had 1 get rid of the human rights act 2 scare the s**t out of kids, 3 make our police as violent as the Spanish and we have all agreed that inequality and rampant consumerism coupled with social and financial divisions are total irrelevant to social disorder. ... well at least we are finally getting some interesting, progressive and forward thinking answers from this art forum... nice My point was there has to be some sort of deterrent for people not to do these things, which we don't have I wasn't saying we should have a police force like the Spanish just replying to your question why don't other countries have this problem with the answer maybe they have a deterrent not to and what diffenece does it make that this is the Banksy forum to my opinion[/quote] By posting the video of violent Spanish Police as a reason why Spain doesn't have riots. You are suggesting Spanish police violence is the reason. Perhaps I got that wrong... if it is not the violence of the police you were referring to then I don't know what the point of the link was. As for the Banksy thing... I thought that would be obvious... as a forum loosely based on the work of a criminal, who has spent his career avoiding the police, and creating criminal damage as a livelyhood. To use the forum to promote the idea that the answer to social problems and criminal damage is increasing the level of police violence, I found interesting - that's all. |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Shoot Again on Aug 9, 2011 16:06:09 GMT 1, British Transport Police have just issued a warning that rioters are currently in the Camberwell Green of London, and are aiming to target the Liverpool Street area of the City, and possibly Bank area.
They strongly advise that those who need to travel out of Liverpool Street Station, should do so before 4:00pm today.
To ensure your safety, please leave the office at 4:00pm, and earlier if you are travelling from Liverpool Street station.
British Transport Police have just issued a warning that rioters are currently in the Camberwell Green of London, and are aiming to target the Liverpool Street area of the City, and possibly Bank area.
They strongly advise that those who need to travel out of Liverpool Street Station, should do so before 4:00pm today.
To ensure your safety, please leave the office at 4:00pm, and earlier if you are travelling from Liverpool Street station.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by simonf on Aug 9, 2011 16:14:07 GMT 1, I have just driven past some of the shops that have been affected by the poor victims of our society and if I find it hard to rationalise your advocation of this behaviour and justify it with social and political arguments. I do not want to live in a third world despotism, but I do want to not feel threatened by mob rule. I can only think that the justification argument comes from the well cloistered, well heeled or from those living in a sleepy village playing anarchist at others expense. IMO.
I don't know who you are replying to... but if it's me i am not justifying anything... please show me where I am.
I am looking for a reason for why thousands of people all over the country would chose to riot.
the main reasons people on the forum seem think are to blame are.
The human rights act, and a lack of violence from the police.
Those two reasons seem to be what people on this forum think cause rioting.
So ergo If we had a violent police force, and abandoned the human rights act then none of this would have happened.
That seems to be the considered opinion of this forum.
I find that really fascinating
I have just driven past some of the shops that have been affected by the poor victims of our society and if I find it hard to rationalise your advocation of this behaviour and justify it with social and political arguments. I do not want to live in a third world despotism, but I do want to not feel threatened by mob rule. I can only think that the justification argument comes from the well cloistered, well heeled or from those living in a sleepy village playing anarchist at others expense. IMO. I don't know who you are replying to... but if it's me i am not justifying anything... please show me where I am. I am looking for a reason for why thousands of people all over the country would chose to riot. the main reasons people on the forum seem think are to blame are. The human rights act, and a lack of violence from the police. Those two reasons seem to be what people on this forum think cause rioting. So ergo If we had a violent police force, and abandoned the human rights act then none of this would have happened. That seems to be the considered opinion of this forum. I find that really fascinating |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by rperry on Aug 9, 2011 16:15:10 GMT 1, People have the RIGHT to peaceful protest. They do NOT have the right to destroy property, steal and inflict violence on the innocent.
The lack of reasonable police presence means that individuals are left to defend their own property.
NOT GOOD.
People have the RIGHT to peaceful protest. They do NOT have the right to destroy property, steal and inflict violence on the innocent.
The lack of reasonable police presence means that individuals are left to defend their own property.
NOT GOOD.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by craigf on Aug 9, 2011 16:17:00 GMT 1, British Transport Police have just issued a warning that rioters are currently in the Camberwell Green of London, and are aiming to target the Liverpool Street area of the City, and possibly Bank area. They strongly advise that those who need to travel out of Liverpool Street Station, should do so before 4:00pm today. To ensure your safety, please leave the office at 4:00pm, and earlier if you are travelling from Liverpool Street station.
I'm not in town today, but travel to Bank most days and work in St Pauls. I hope tonight won't be as bad as we are all expecting. Someone is going to get very badly hurt or worse at this rate 
British Transport Police have just issued a warning that rioters are currently in the Camberwell Green of London, and are aiming to target the Liverpool Street area of the City, and possibly Bank area. They strongly advise that those who need to travel out of Liverpool Street Station, should do so before 4:00pm today. To ensure your safety, please leave the office at 4:00pm, and earlier if you are travelling from Liverpool Street station. I'm not in town today, but travel to Bank most days and work in St Pauls. I hope tonight won't be as bad as we are all expecting. Someone is going to get very badly hurt or worse at this rate |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by simonf on Aug 9, 2011 16:17:08 GMT 1, I have just driven past some of the shops that have been affected by the poor victims of our society and if I find it hard to rationalise your advocation of this behaviour and justify it with social and political arguments. I do not want to live in a third world despotism, but I do want to not feel threatened by mob rule. I can only think that the justification argument comes from the well cloistered, well heeled or from those living in a sleepy village playing anarchist at others expense. IMO. I don't know who you are replying to... but if it's me i am not justifying anything... please show me where I am. I am looking for a reason for why thousands of people all over the country would spontaneously chose to riot. the main reasons people on the forum seem think are to blame are. The human rights act, and a lack of violence from the police. Those two reasons seem to be what people on this forum think cause rioting. So ergo If we had a violent police force, and abandoned the human rights act then none of this would have happened. That seems to be the considered opinion of this forum. I find that really fascinating
I have just driven past some of the shops that have been affected by the poor victims of our society and if I find it hard to rationalise your advocation of this behaviour and justify it with social and political arguments. I do not want to live in a third world despotism, but I do want to not feel threatened by mob rule. I can only think that the justification argument comes from the well cloistered, well heeled or from those living in a sleepy village playing anarchist at others expense. IMO. I don't know who you are replying to... but if it's me i am not justifying anything... please show me where I am. I am looking for a reason for why thousands of people all over the country would spontaneously chose to riot. the main reasons people on the forum seem think are to blame are. The human rights act, and a lack of violence from the police. Those two reasons seem to be what people on this forum think cause rioting. So ergo If we had a violent police force, and abandoned the human rights act then none of this would have happened. That seems to be the considered opinion of this forum. I find that really fascinating |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by lifeonwalls on Aug 9, 2011 16:18:12 GMT 1, Hope everyone over there is safe and sound.
On a lighter note, enjoy this riot fail:
Hope everyone over there is safe and sound.
On a lighter note, enjoy this riot fail:
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by jesustheba on Aug 9, 2011 16:19:43 GMT 1, Ok so what you think we should have is a really violent police force? interesting point of view to express on a Banksy forum. So that is where we are going wrong... for us to catch up with the rest of europe we need to train our police in being more violent... ok sorted! so far we have had 1 get rid of the human rights act 2 scare the s**t out of kids, 3 make our police as violent as the Spanish and we have all agreed that inequality and rampant consumerism coupled with social and financial divisions are total irrelevant to social disorder. ... well at least we are finally getting some interesting, progressive and forward thinking answers from this art forum... nice My point was there has to be some sort of deterrent for people not to do these things, which we don't have I wasn't saying we should have a police force like the Spanish just replying to your question why don't other countries have this problem with the answer maybe they have a deterrent not to and what diffenece does it make that this is the Banksy forum to my opinion
By posting the video of violent Spanish Police as a reason why Spain doesn't have riots. You are suggesting Spanish police violence is the reason.
Perhaps I got that wrong... if it is not the violence of the police you were referring to then I don't know what the point of the link was.
As for the Banksy thing... I thought that would be obvious... as a forum loosely based on the work of a criminal who has spent his career avoiding the police, and creating criminal damage.
To use the forum to promote the idea that the answer to social problems and criminal damage is increasing the level of police violence, I found interesting - that's all.
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No you got it spot on Maybe that's why Spain doesn't have this problem i wasn't endorsing it just an observation is all
My personal opinion is the police should do what they have to do to make them stop , not long ago a young girl was shot and paralyzed by one of these gangsters that you seem so happy to defend, if that was my daughter or sister i would hope the police did everything they could to prevent it from happening and if that meant shooting the gunman first then good
And if Banksy starts burning my bins stealing my cat and pooing in my top draw i will sell all of my prints for cost
and thanks for changing us all into homophobic women hating Tories ;D
Ok so what you think we should have is a really violent police force? interesting point of view to express on a Banksy forum. So that is where we are going wrong... for us to catch up with the rest of europe we need to train our police in being more violent... ok sorted! so far we have had 1 get rid of the human rights act 2 scare the s**t out of kids, 3 make our police as violent as the Spanish and we have all agreed that inequality and rampant consumerism coupled with social and financial divisions are total irrelevant to social disorder. ... well at least we are finally getting some interesting, progressive and forward thinking answers from this art forum... nice My point was there has to be some sort of deterrent for people not to do these things, which we don't have I wasn't saying we should have a police force like the Spanish just replying to your question why don't other countries have this problem with the answer maybe they have a deterrent not to and what diffenece does it make that this is the Banksy forum to my opinion By posting the video of violent Spanish Police as a reason why Spain doesn't have riots. You are suggesting Spanish police violence is the reason. Perhaps I got that wrong... if it is not the violence of the police you were referring to then I don't know what the point of the link was. As for the Banksy thing... I thought that would be obvious... as a forum loosely based on the work of a criminal who has spent his career avoiding the police, and creating criminal damage. To use the forum to promote the idea that the answer to social problems and criminal damage is increasing the level of police violence, I found interesting - that's all. T[/quote] No you got it spot on Maybe that's why Spain doesn't have this problem i wasn't endorsing it just an observation is all My personal opinion is the police should do what they have to do to make them stop , not long ago a young girl was shot and paralyzed by one of these gangsters that you seem so happy to defend, if that was my daughter or sister i would hope the police did everything they could to prevent it from happening and if that meant shooting the gunman first then good And if Banksy starts burning my bins stealing my cat and pooing in my top draw i will sell all of my prints for cost and thanks for changing us all into homophobic women hating Tories ;D |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Goooogle Male on Aug 9, 2011 16:22:49 GMT 1, British Transport Police have just issued a warning that rioters are currently in the Camberwell Green of London, and are aiming to target the Liverpool Street area of the City, and possibly Bank area. They strongly advise that those who need to travel out of Liverpool Street Station, should do so before 4:00pm today. To ensure your safety, please leave the office at 4:00pm, and earlier if you are travelling from Liverpool Street station.
Dude (and other dudes / dudettes),
To avoid hoaxes and suchlike - if posting 'live' info such as this, it is essential to link to the original (trusted) source. This is the official BTP twitter feed and no mention of any rioters congregating in Camberwell green, or targeting the City.
twitter.com/#!/btp_uk
furthermore, this is the full google search for "Camberwell Green" "British Transport Police" in the last 24 hours and there are no results
www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=qdr:h&source=hp&q=%22british+transport+police%22+%22camberwell+green%22&pbx=1&oq=%22british+transport+police%22+%22camberwell+green%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1049l5110l0l5337l23l18l1l0l0l0l265l2716l2.14.2l18l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=ce20a5b5dbdfbf0e&biw=1307&bih=1314
misinformation can spread panic - lets do our bit to reduce it by sourcing anything we post here.
British Transport Police have just issued a warning that rioters are currently in the Camberwell Green of London, and are aiming to target the Liverpool Street area of the City, and possibly Bank area. They strongly advise that those who need to travel out of Liverpool Street Station, should do so before 4:00pm today. To ensure your safety, please leave the office at 4:00pm, and earlier if you are travelling from Liverpool Street station. Dude (and other dudes / dudettes), To avoid hoaxes and suchlike - if posting 'live' info such as this, it is essential to link to the original (trusted) source. This is the official BTP twitter feed and no mention of any rioters congregating in Camberwell green, or targeting the City. twitter.com/#!/btp_uk furthermore, this is the full google search for "Camberwell Green" "British Transport Police" in the last 24 hours and there are no results
www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=qdr:h&source=hp&q=%22british+transport+police%22+%22camberwell+green%22&pbx=1&oq=%22british+transport+police%22+%22camberwell+green%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1049l5110l0l5337l23l18l1l0l0l0l265l2716l2.14.2l18l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=ce20a5b5dbdfbf0e&biw=1307&bih=1314 misinformation can spread panic - lets do our bit to reduce it by sourcing anything we post here. |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Hubble Bubble on Aug 9, 2011 16:33:23 GMT 1, misinformation can spread panic - lets do our bit to reduce it by sourcing anything we post here.
Couldn't agree more
misinformation can spread panic - lets do our bit to reduce it by sourcing anything we post here. Couldn't agree more |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Pistol on Aug 9, 2011 16:36:59 GMT 1, Hope everyone over there is safe and sound. On a lighter note, enjoy this riot fail:
Probably about average on the intelligence scale of those involved!
Hope everyone over there is safe and sound. On a lighter note, enjoy this riot fail: Probably about average on the intelligence scale of those involved! |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by balibob on Aug 9, 2011 16:39:45 GMT 1, If Banksy wants to come round to my house and vandalise all my walls and the odd stretched canvas that I naturally have lying around on the prechance that this might occur, he is more than welcome.
Jesustheba....hey mate can I be first in the queue for the 'at cost prints' please. ;D
If Banksy wants to come round to my house and vandalise all my walls and the odd stretched canvas that I naturally have lying around on the prechance that this might occur, he is more than welcome.
Jesustheba....hey mate can I be first in the queue for the 'at cost prints' please. ;D
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 9, 2011 16:42:40 GMT 1, seems like its really going to kick off in camden.. all the shops and bars are boarding up
seems like its really going to kick off in camden.. all the shops and bars are boarding up
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by rperry on Aug 9, 2011 16:46:39 GMT 1, How did the cleanup go Ali?
How did the cleanup go Ali?
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 9, 2011 17:00:24 GMT 1, at least 40 people out this morning helping clean up camden high st.. stay safe tonight guys.
if anyone is in the camden area tonight and needs a safe place to chill out.. i pretty much have a fortress 1 min from camden lock..
all shops in camden are closing now!!!!
pubs are closed,, most of them anyway.
at least 40 people out this morning helping clean up camden high st.. stay safe tonight guys.
if anyone is in the camden area tonight and needs a safe place to chill out.. i pretty much have a fortress 1 min from camden lock..
all shops in camden are closing now!!!!
pubs are closed,, most of them anyway.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 9, 2011 17:00:56 GMT 1, we should actually start a large group and help clean up and area on friday!!!!
we should actually start a large group and help clean up and area on friday!!!!
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by rperry on Aug 9, 2011 17:03:55 GMT 1, we should actually start a large group and help clean up and area on friday!!!!
Nice to see someone doing something postive! ;D
we should actually start a large group and help clean up and area on friday!!!! Nice to see someone doing something postive! ;D |
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hunter007 on Aug 9, 2011 17:14:46 GMT 1, something to lighten the mood
something to lighten the mood
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