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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Baby Dave on Aug 8, 2011 18:46:20 GMT 1, Id guess it s a case of the straw that broke the camels back. While I do not condone attacking innocent peoples property, I do think the gap between those that have and those that dont is getting worse. Mistreatment by police and unemployment levels are I guess just 2 of the factors in this for me
Do you honestly think thats why these brainless yobs are acting like they are?
The following message has been passed around... read it and tell me you think that these idiots are causing disorder on such a large scale for the above reasons....
If ur hiting da riot in croydon and u hate fedz fuk them All meet up outside jd at 4 ish then just get bare fireworks and tools and start this riot shit We need over 500 people to come cos watch bare fedz come this is if ur onit And jus looot jd,house of fraser phone shops and any oveer Fuck Fedz! Shugaloooooooooo
Lock them all up I say!
Id guess it s a case of the straw that broke the camels back. While I do not condone attacking innocent peoples property, I do think the gap between those that have and those that dont is getting worse. Mistreatment by police and unemployment levels are I guess just 2 of the factors in this for me Do you honestly think thats why these brainless yobs are acting like they are? The following message has been passed around... read it and tell me you think that these idiots are causing disorder on such a large scale for the above reasons.... If ur hiting da riot in croydon and u hate fedz fuk them All meet up outside jd at 4 ish then just get bare fireworks and tools and start this riot shit We need over 500 people to come cos watch bare fedz come this is if ur onit And jus looot jd,house of fraser phone shops and any oveer Fuck Fedz! Shugaloooooooooo Lock them all up I say!
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by gritty on Aug 8, 2011 18:58:20 GMT 1, Agreed! Its pretty simple really - if you don't break the law and respect your fellow man/woman then you wont have to deal with the police.
And how unemployment levels give thugs the right to rob people trying to earn an honest living is totally beyond me.
Agreed! Its pretty simple really - if you don't break the law and respect your fellow man/woman then you wont have to deal with the police.
And how unemployment levels give thugs the right to rob people trying to earn an honest living is totally beyond me.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hupster on Aug 8, 2011 18:58:52 GMT 1, This is just getting out of hand....
No one can really justify whats going on. No matter what the employment status is.
Look at what is happening. Trains not stopping at stations, buses not going out and who suffer. Local people. SMall business getting smashed up. Who is losing out here,,,,....
local people. It will push up insurance on businesses, cars and transport. The winners are the big chains because as these small businesses go out of business due to things like this happening and the only ones to fill the gaps are the large chainstores who can absorb there shops being smashed up.
I wonder how many children are unable to get home at the moment due to these riots?
Think of the bigger picture.............
Hupster
This is just getting out of hand.... No one can really justify whats going on. No matter what the employment status is. Look at what is happening. Trains not stopping at stations, buses not going out and who suffer. Local people. SMall business getting smashed up. Who is losing out here,,,,.... local people. It will push up insurance on businesses, cars and transport. The winners are the big chains because as these small businesses go out of business due to things like this happening and the only ones to fill the gaps are the large chainstores who can absorb there shops being smashed up. I wonder how many children are unable to get home at the moment due to these riots? Think of the bigger picture............. Hupster
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 8, 2011 19:06:39 GMT 1, Oh god, i can hear the sociologists turning in their graves at the last 2 posts!!
The message is one part of a much bigger picture, they are the cash in mob in on any situation. The original acts in Totenham (although i probably agree not last night) involve social demographics, disinchanted youth, disenfranchised youth, unemployment, poor social control, nature and nurture issues, bad policing principles and of course the real winner of it all, MOB MENTALITY.
IF only life WAS as clear cut as you seem to think!!
edit OK the 2 before you hupster Your points are very fair. And my mate in Tottenham is truely in that possition.
Oh god, i can hear the sociologists turning in their graves at the last 2 posts!!
The message is one part of a much bigger picture, they are the cash in mob in on any situation. The original acts in Totenham (although i probably agree not last night) involve social demographics, disinchanted youth, disenfranchised youth, unemployment, poor social control, nature and nurture issues, bad policing principles and of course the real winner of it all, MOB MENTALITY.
IF only life WAS as clear cut as you seem to think!!
edit OK the 2 before you hupster Your points are very fair. And my mate in Tottenham is truely in that possition.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 8, 2011 19:09:26 GMT 1, xmyart thats the best post i have ever seen you make..
disinchanted youth, disenfranchised youth, unemployment, poor social control, nature and nurture issues...
Large up Margaret Mead...
xmyart thats the best post i have ever seen you make..
disinchanted youth, disenfranchised youth, unemployment, poor social control, nature and nurture issues...
Large up Margaret Mead...
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hupster on Aug 8, 2011 19:10:06 GMT 1, Oh god, i can hear the sociologists turning in their graves at the last 2 posts!! The message is one part of a much bigger picture, they are the cash in mob in on any situation. The original acts in Totenham (although i probably agree not last night) involve social demographics, disinchanted youth, disenfranchised youth, unemployment, poor social control, nature and nurture issues, bad policing principles and of course the real winner of it all, MOB MENTALITY. SO you believe this is justified? At what point is it wrong.....2 deaths,3 deaths...... ? IF only life WAS as clear cut as you seem to think!!
Oh god, i can hear the sociologists turning in their graves at the last 2 posts!! The message is one part of a much bigger picture, they are the cash in mob in on any situation. The original acts in Totenham (although i probably agree not last night) involve social demographics, disinchanted youth, disenfranchised youth, unemployment, poor social control, nature and nurture issues, bad policing principles and of course the real winner of it all, MOB MENTALITY. SO you believe this is justified? At what point is it wrong.....2 deaths,3 deaths...... ? IF only life WAS as clear cut as you seem to think!!
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by fingerz on Aug 8, 2011 19:12:58 GMT 1, not justified but inevitable
not justified but inevitable
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 8, 2011 19:14:44 GMT 1, i hope all forum members are safe..
i hope all forum members are safe..
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by fingerz on Aug 8, 2011 19:16:41 GMT 1, i hope all forum members are safe..
true that ali
i hope all forum members are safe.. true that ali
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Baby Dave on Aug 8, 2011 19:21:23 GMT 1, i hope all forum members are safe..
indeed
i hope all forum members are safe.. indeed
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 8, 2011 19:24:23 GMT 1, im covering this story now! if you need any information or advice: getting home, latest madness, harrow and harlesden is kicking off now.. south east london and Peckham.. STAY CLEAR OFF BRENT CROSS AREA also..
im covering this story now! if you need any information or advice: getting home, latest madness, harrow and harlesden is kicking off now.. south east london and Peckham.. STAY CLEAR OFF BRENT CROSS AREA also..
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hupster on Aug 8, 2011 19:28:27 GMT 1, I cant believe what i read on here sometimes....
There are buildings on fire now and no fire service due to safety issues..... If people are in those buildings then its a very sad end to this.
There is NO justification to setting buildings on fire with people living above them...
There should be no one on here trying to say that is is acceptable.
Time for hard measures for those who are doing this and NO SOFT OPTIONS.....
Hupster
I cant believe what i read on here sometimes....
There are buildings on fire now and no fire service due to safety issues..... If people are in those buildings then its a very sad end to this.
There is NO justification to setting buildings on fire with people living above them...
There should be no one on here trying to say that is is acceptable.
Time for hard measures for those who are doing this and NO SOFT OPTIONS.....
Hupster
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by fingerz on Aug 8, 2011 19:32:57 GMT 1, crazy stuff
7.30pm: Peckham: fire crews have now arrived and are attempting to put out the blaze.
7.27pm: Peckham: The fire has spread through the the back of the building. Fire engines are slowly working their way towards the building, but it looks as if police are having to ensure the street is secure before the fire brigade can get in close.
7.23pm: The fire is in Peckham, both BBC and Sky have confirmed. It appears to have spread to the Greggs next door and looks in danger of engulfing the entire building. Lot of smoke.
7.19pm: Television pictures now showing a building ablaze in south London.
It began with a small blaze outside what looked to be a terraced house, but the flames quickly spread and now appear to have engulfed all three floors. The row of terraces contains a Gregg's which is next to the blaze.
Helicopter footage shows people exiting the neighbouring buildings via fire exits at the rear and clambering over rooftops to safety.
7.14pm: Sandra Laville reports that the weapon being carried by Mark Duggan on Thursday was a converted handgun capable of firing real ammunition.
crazy stuff
7.30pm: Peckham: fire crews have now arrived and are attempting to put out the blaze.
7.27pm: Peckham: The fire has spread through the the back of the building. Fire engines are slowly working their way towards the building, but it looks as if police are having to ensure the street is secure before the fire brigade can get in close.
7.23pm: The fire is in Peckham, both BBC and Sky have confirmed. It appears to have spread to the Greggs next door and looks in danger of engulfing the entire building. Lot of smoke.
7.19pm: Television pictures now showing a building ablaze in south London.
It began with a small blaze outside what looked to be a terraced house, but the flames quickly spread and now appear to have engulfed all three floors. The row of terraces contains a Gregg's which is next to the blaze.
Helicopter footage shows people exiting the neighbouring buildings via fire exits at the rear and clambering over rooftops to safety.
7.14pm: Sandra Laville reports that the weapon being carried by Mark Duggan on Thursday was a converted handgun capable of firing real ammunition.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 8, 2011 19:35:21 GMT 1, NO ONE AT ALL HAS SAID THIS IS JUSTIFIED.
Its just that some people see the bigger picture, and others cant see past the end of their fucking nose!!!!!!
NO ONE AT ALL HAS SAID THIS IS JUSTIFIED.
Its just that some people see the bigger picture, and others cant see past the end of their fucking nose!!!!!!
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 8, 2011 19:37:51 GMT 1, lol Ali mate, thats what History, Sociology, Psychology and politics A levels and a Degree in Experimental Psychology turns you into mate.
lol Ali mate, thats what History, Sociology, Psychology and politics A levels and a Degree in Experimental Psychology turns you into mate.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 8, 2011 19:38:37 GMT 1, oh yeah, and mt first sixteen years spent growing up on an estate.
oh yeah, and mt first sixteen years spent growing up on an estate.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 8, 2011 19:40:59 GMT 1, Large up estate life..
Large up estate life..
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Sundowner on Aug 8, 2011 19:43:38 GMT 1, The bigger picture is that "the disillusioned youth" are using the event in Tottenham as an excuse to start their own trouble due to an absence of order. When residential buildings are being set on fire causing significant danger to families with children and leaving them homeless for no reason it is way beyond any sense of logical perspective.
The bigger picture is that "the disillusioned youth" are using the event in Tottenham as an excuse to start their own trouble due to an absence of order. When residential buildings are being set on fire causing significant danger to families with children and leaving them homeless for no reason it is way beyond any sense of logical perspective.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by fingerz on Aug 8, 2011 19:44:08 GMT 1, if any 1 down that london feels that there art is in danger post it up north to me ...
if any 1 down that london feels that there art is in danger post it up north to me ...
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hupster on Aug 8, 2011 19:44:43 GMT 1, NO ONE AT ALL HAS SAID THIS IS JUSTIFIED. Its just that some people see the bigger picture, and others cant see past the end of their f**king nose!!!!!!
Like who?
NO ONE AT ALL HAS SAID THIS IS JUSTIFIED. Its just that some people see the bigger picture, and others cant see past the end of their f**king nose!!!!!! Like who?
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 8, 2011 19:45:06 GMT 1, The bigger picture is that "the disillusioned youth" are using the event in Tottenham as an excuse to start their own trouble due to an absence of order. When residential buildings are being set on fire causing significant danger to families with children and leaving them homeless for no reason then I would suggest it is you that has lost a sense of reality.
LETS! "stop their benefits and bring back National Service"
The bigger picture is that "the disillusioned youth" are using the event in Tottenham as an excuse to start their own trouble due to an absence of order. When residential buildings are being set on fire causing significant danger to families with children and leaving them homeless for no reason then I would suggest it is you that has lost a sense of reality. LETS! "stop their benefits and bring back National Service"
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 8, 2011 19:49:29 GMT 1, ? are youi kidding me sundowner? does cause and effect mean ANYTHING in your world? i dont really want to slam you, but again I AM NOT justifying this. Im pointing out that there is a lot more being played out here, than just people throwing rocks and petrol bombs.
If you really seriously cant see that, its a shame. But we wont be looking to you for solutions.
just a thought, do you know what this will be written up as?
SOCIAL UNREST Do you see the word SOCIAL? Theres a very good reason its there.
? are youi kidding me sundowner? does cause and effect mean ANYTHING in your world? i dont really want to slam you, but again I AM NOT justifying this. Im pointing out that there is a lot more being played out here, than just people throwing rocks and petrol bombs. If you really seriously cant see that, its a shame. But we wont be looking to you for solutions. just a thought, do you know what this will be written up as? SOCIAL UNREST Do you see the word SOCIAL? Theres a very good reason its there.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by xmyart on Aug 8, 2011 19:53:47 GMT 1, news says they are also tearing up brum now as well.
news says they are also tearing up brum now as well.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by Sundowner on Aug 8, 2011 19:56:51 GMT 1, Of course it does, and clearly something needs to be done. However, in my world there's ways of making a point and there's ways of making a point. There's always someone to blame (the government, the police, unemployment, university fees) for those that have and those that have not but the point is, those involved have a choice and to them it's all about having a bit of a laugh with their mates and seeing if they can get something else for nothing.
Of course it does, and clearly something needs to be done. However, in my world there's ways of making a point and there's ways of making a point. There's always someone to blame (the government, the police, unemployment, university fees) for those that have and those that have not but the point is, those involved have a choice and to them it's all about having a bit of a laugh with their mates and seeing if they can get something else for nothing.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by alistairkhalil on Aug 8, 2011 19:59:42 GMT 1, its starting to rain north of london.. hopefully the rain will send the trouble makers home.. this is no longer a protest. its a reason to cancel notting hill carnival.. now. i need me some jerk chickedn around 26th august so please.. all you silly thugs. who all love carnival. go home, smoke some cheap weed and chill out.. leave my london alone.
its starting to rain north of london.. hopefully the rain will send the trouble makers home.. this is no longer a protest. its a reason to cancel notting hill carnival.. now. i need me some jerk chickedn around 26th august so please.. all you silly thugs. who all love carnival. go home, smoke some cheap weed and chill out.. leave my london alone.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hupster on Aug 8, 2011 20:03:28 GMT 1, ? are youi kidding me sundowner? does cause and effect mean ANYTHING in your world? i dont really want to slam you, but again I AM NOT justifying this. Im pointing out that there is a lot more being played out here, than just people throwing rocks and petrol bombs. If you really seriously cant see that, its a shame. But we wont be looking to you for solutions. just a thought, do you know what this will be written up as? SOCIAL UNREST Do you see the word SOCIAL? Theres a very good reason its there.
Social unrest. Does that mean all back grounds and all ages??
Media use words to get impact. Social is a very big word. Social uprising like in eygpt when it was a social uprising with young and old and other nations patrons amongst it or social unrest as in London now with an age group of 10-25 year olds?
Hupster
? are youi kidding me sundowner? does cause and effect mean ANYTHING in your world? i dont really want to slam you, but again I AM NOT justifying this. Im pointing out that there is a lot more being played out here, than just people throwing rocks and petrol bombs. If you really seriously cant see that, its a shame. But we wont be looking to you for solutions. just a thought, do you know what this will be written up as? SOCIAL UNREST Do you see the word SOCIAL? Theres a very good reason its there. Social unrest. Does that mean all back grounds and all ages?? Media use words to get impact. Social is a very big word. Social uprising like in eygpt when it was a social uprising with young and old and other nations patrons amongst it or social unrest as in London now with an age group of 10-25 year olds? Hupster
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by hupster on Aug 8, 2011 20:05:03 GMT 1, news says they are also tearing up brum now as well.
Really...where did you hear that??
news says they are also tearing up brum now as well. Really...where did you hear that? ?
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by fingerz on Aug 8, 2011 20:06:58 GMT 1, 8.02pm: Peter Walker in Catford:
Big crowd of few hundred youths here (Catford is about a mile or so from Lewisham centre) now. Police in riot gear, lots of taunts and scuffles.
7.56pm: Paul Lewis is tweeting from Hackney โ here's his last few updates.
โข I can see TV cameras and police the other sides of barricades. Explosions here. #Hackney yfrog.com/h2jumppj
โข Journalist here been beaten and camera stolen #Hackney
โข Stolen vans being trashed. #Hackney yfrog.com/h4vf3mmpj
โข White van on fire. Only a matter of time until it blows. #Hackney yfrog.com/kfs9kajkj
โข Much of #Hackney Penbury estate swirling black smoke. yfrog.com/kiz60irj
โข It is 7.50pm and already I would say #Hackney violence worse now than last night in north London yfrog.com/h0keddxj
Follow Paul on Twitter @paullewis
7.51pm: Helicopter pictures now showing clashes between police and protesters in Hackney. Police and rioters can be seen lining up at opposite ends of a wide street in Hackney, with the occasional missile being thrown. Police edging forward slowly. Hard to know where to report on at the moment.
Meanwhile the journalist Joseph Stashko is accumulating news from Lewisham in this Storify page.
7.48pm: Lisa O'Carroll reports that a "general air of panic" has descended on Camberwell, just a mile or two from both Peckham and Brixton.
One restaurant has already taken precaution of boarding up his windows in the event of trouble and hundreds of people disgorged from buses are walking church street in both directions.
Several knots of youths wearing black scarves around their mouths are walking away while other on bikes are weaving in and out of traffic heading towards elephant and castle. Bus driver from Peckham is reporting that morrisons was ransacked. 'my son told me. I spoke to him 45m ago.'
7.40pm: Matt Taylor has just called in from central Peckham, where is with a large group:
There is group of several hundred people on the streets, members of which have just looted an ABC pharmacy in middle of Peckham.
A line of riot police have just charged the group, and it seems as if we're now in a running battle with the police. It's a very tense situation.
Over last the couple of hours the group had smashed windows while a bus was burnt out and at least four other buses damaged after they had been abandoned.
7.36pm: Tweet by @sallygainsbury โ "Leaflet found outside Dalston Argos this a.m: advises on disposing of clothes,avoiding arrest yfrog.com/h07mxcyzj"
8.02pm: Peter Walker in Catford: Big crowd of few hundred youths here (Catford is about a mile or so from Lewisham centre) now. Police in riot gear, lots of taunts and scuffles. 7.56pm: Paul Lewis is tweeting from Hackney โ here's his last few updates. โข I can see TV cameras and police the other sides of barricades. Explosions here. #Hackney yfrog.com/h2jumppjโข Journalist here been beaten and camera stolen #Hackney โข Stolen vans being trashed. #Hackney yfrog.com/h4vf3mmpjโข White van on fire. Only a matter of time until it blows. #Hackney yfrog.com/kfs9kajkjโข Much of #Hackney Penbury estate swirling black smoke. yfrog.com/kiz60irjโข It is 7.50pm and already I would say #Hackney violence worse now than last night in north London yfrog.com/h0keddxjFollow Paul on Twitter @paullewis 7.51pm: Helicopter pictures now showing clashes between police and protesters in Hackney. Police and rioters can be seen lining up at opposite ends of a wide street in Hackney, with the occasional missile being thrown. Police edging forward slowly. Hard to know where to report on at the moment. Meanwhile the journalist Joseph Stashko is accumulating news from Lewisham in this Storify page. 7.48pm: Lisa O'Carroll reports that a "general air of panic" has descended on Camberwell, just a mile or two from both Peckham and Brixton. One restaurant has already taken precaution of boarding up his windows in the event of trouble and hundreds of people disgorged from buses are walking church street in both directions. Several knots of youths wearing black scarves around their mouths are walking away while other on bikes are weaving in and out of traffic heading towards elephant and castle. Bus driver from Peckham is reporting that morrisons was ransacked. 'my son told me. I spoke to him 45m ago.' 7.40pm: Matt Taylor has just called in from central Peckham, where is with a large group: There is group of several hundred people on the streets, members of which have just looted an ABC pharmacy in middle of Peckham. A line of riot police have just charged the group, and it seems as if we're now in a running battle with the police. It's a very tense situation. Over last the couple of hours the group had smashed windows while a bus was burnt out and at least four other buses damaged after they had been abandoned. 7.36pm: Tweet by @sallygainsbury โ "Leaflet found outside Dalston Argos this a.m: advises on disposing of clothes,avoiding arrest yfrog.com/h07mxcyzj"
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by freeview on Aug 8, 2011 20:08:00 GMT 1, news says they are also tearing up brum now as well.
monkey see monkey do.
news says they are also tearing up brum now as well. monkey see monkey do.
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TOTTENHAM RIOTS, by fingerz on Aug 8, 2011 20:08:20 GMT 1, 8.07pm: It appears the violence may now have spread to Birmingham. Martin Wainwright reports"
The first sign of trouble spreading beyond the London area came in Birmingham where up to 200 youths confronted a police cordon in the city centre and shop windows were smashed. Eyewitnesses said that police appeared to have the situation under control and it "does not look like London." An exclusion zone was established up to half a mile round the Bullring shopping centre which closed early.
Youths wearing hoods and scarves gathered after rumours on social network sites and via texts that things were "going to kick off" in the Midlands city Bins were thrown through the windows of Jessops, LA Fitness and a McDonald's but attempts to follow this up by looting as in Tottenham and another parts of the capital were stopped by police.
The West Midlands force said that extra officers had been deployed after Tweets and other internet messages spread messages during the afternoon. A pub landlord stood on guard at his doors during a brief flurry of missile throwing but by 7.30pm the police appeared to be in control of most of the city centre, with the large Pallisades mall by New Street station also closed and cordoned off.
This Tumblr account appears to have been set up to document the trouble in Birmingham. It shows shop windows smashed. The pictures are time-stamped from this afternoon.
On Twitter @leestanleybhm tells me the Orange shop in Birmingham was attacked. He says he saw "people running from police and police donning public order kit".
8.07pm: It appears the violence may now have spread to Birmingham. Martin Wainwright reports"
The first sign of trouble spreading beyond the London area came in Birmingham where up to 200 youths confronted a police cordon in the city centre and shop windows were smashed. Eyewitnesses said that police appeared to have the situation under control and it "does not look like London." An exclusion zone was established up to half a mile round the Bullring shopping centre which closed early.
Youths wearing hoods and scarves gathered after rumours on social network sites and via texts that things were "going to kick off" in the Midlands city Bins were thrown through the windows of Jessops, LA Fitness and a McDonald's but attempts to follow this up by looting as in Tottenham and another parts of the capital were stopped by police.
The West Midlands force said that extra officers had been deployed after Tweets and other internet messages spread messages during the afternoon. A pub landlord stood on guard at his doors during a brief flurry of missile throwing but by 7.30pm the police appeared to be in control of most of the city centre, with the large Pallisades mall by New Street station also closed and cordoned off.
This Tumblr account appears to have been set up to document the trouble in Birmingham. It shows shop windows smashed. The pictures are time-stamped from this afternoon.
On Twitter @leestanleybhm tells me the Orange shop in Birmingham was attacked. He says he saw "people running from police and police donning public order kit".
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