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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by elwheel on May 27, 2012 23:06:20 GMT 1, Some really strange positioning going on here.
Mint is mint. It is not very good condition, or some wear and tear or damaged. Mint is without any defect and in the same condition as a perfect newly produced print would be found in. If you do not understand the definition of mint do not use this description particularly if you cannot be arsed to verify your use of the word prior to or during packing. Your description of your print, if pictures prove the OPs point, was miles off and has disadvantaged the OP. Very very poor form.
Some really strange positioning going on here.
Mint is mint. It is not very good condition, or some wear and tear or damaged. Mint is without any defect and in the same condition as a perfect newly produced print would be found in. If you do not understand the definition of mint do not use this description particularly if you cannot be arsed to verify your use of the word prior to or during packing. Your description of your print, if pictures prove the OPs point, was miles off and has disadvantaged the OP. Very very poor form.
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RolexDave
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 27, 2012 23:55:01 GMT 1, Some really strange positioning going on here. Mint is mint. It is not very good condition, or some wear and tear or damaged. Mint is without any defect and in the same condition as a perfect newly produced print would be found in. If you do not understand the definition of mint do not use this description particularly if you cannot be arsed to verify your use of the word prior to or during packing. Your description of your print, if pictures prove the OPs point, was miles off and has disadvantaged the OP. Very very poor form.
OK. I knew I might be slated because Svenman is a respected moderator for the artchival forum and i am a nobody.
I am putting the pictures up on flickr. I dont have an expensive camera, nor does taking pictures that are white terribly easy to do, but I have tried my best to show you the adhesive marks not only all along the back of the print, but can be seen through the front.
What Svenman has not shown you is his first email where he firmly states that the print is MINT and HAS NEVER BEEN FRAMED. He is wrong on both counts and wants to be the aggressor because I am showing up the truth.
Anyway, here are the pictures.
www.flickr.com/photos/79631763@N03/sets/72157629925151162/
Hopefully fingerz can work his magic and make them appear.
Thank you.
Some really strange positioning going on here. Mint is mint. It is not very good condition, or some wear and tear or damaged. Mint is without any defect and in the same condition as a perfect newly produced print would be found in. If you do not understand the definition of mint do not use this description particularly if you cannot be arsed to verify your use of the word prior to or during packing. Your description of your print, if pictures prove the OPs point, was miles off and has disadvantaged the OP. Very very poor form. OK. I knew I might be slated because Svenman is a respected moderator for the artchival forum and i am a nobody. I am putting the pictures up on flickr. I dont have an expensive camera, nor does taking pictures that are white terribly easy to do, but I have tried my best to show you the adhesive marks not only all along the back of the print, but can be seen through the front. What Svenman has not shown you is his first email where he firmly states that the print is MINT and HAS NEVER BEEN FRAMED. He is wrong on both counts and wants to be the aggressor because I am showing up the truth. Anyway, here are the pictures. www.flickr.com/photos/79631763@N03/sets/72157629925151162/Hopefully fingerz can work his magic and make them appear. Thank you.
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RolexDave
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 27, 2012 23:59:34 GMT 1, Also with those pictures, what i was trying to show was that those adhesive marks at the back, can be seen at the front of the print. It is not a question of having OCD for a back of a print.
Also with those pictures, what i was trying to show was that those adhesive marks at the back, can be seen at the front of the print. It is not a question of having OCD for a back of a print.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Layaway Days Art Blog on May 28, 2012 0:08:30 GMT 1, I think it's a good idea to err on the side of caution in your descriptions. I don't think I'll ever use the term 'Mint' in selling anything as 'Very Good' gives you a little leeway.
For instance, I consider my Nick Walker 'Vandal Tryptych' that I am selling to be a scratch/dent as it was previously framed and the back still doesn't feel smooth, albeit there are no marks etc...and was probably adhesive from the tape. I'd also state that the corners are a bit soft and not crisp mint either imo
After looking at sixpac's prints, I wouldn't even think it deserves a 'very good' designation. Maybe average condition with use or something similar as it looks like the corners are a bit bent/soft as well. Just my $0.02. Fully expect to reach -20 or worse within the next hour or so
I think it's a good idea to err on the side of caution in your descriptions. I don't think I'll ever use the term 'Mint' in selling anything as 'Very Good' gives you a little leeway. For instance, I consider my Nick Walker 'Vandal Tryptych' that I am selling to be a scratch/dent as it was previously framed and the back still doesn't feel smooth, albeit there are no marks etc...and was probably adhesive from the tape. I'd also state that the corners are a bit soft and not crisp mint either imo After looking at sixpac's prints, I wouldn't even think it deserves a 'very good' designation. Maybe average condition with use or something similar as it looks like the corners are a bit bent/soft as well. Just my $0.02. Fully expect to reach -20 or worse within the next hour or so
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by misterx on May 28, 2012 0:15:25 GMT 1, When a seller tells porkies about the condition( I don't accept you "didn't see it') of a print, this sours the deal immediately.
The only decent thing for svenman to do is return six pacs print and then approach the framer to cancel the job.
Act with decency sven....you might like how it feels.
Also, is it common for framers to ask for full payment upfront, even though they have the print, which acts as a form of insurance?
-1 sven.
When a seller tells porkies about the condition( I don't accept you "didn't see it') of a print, this sours the deal immediately.
The only decent thing for svenman to do is return six pacs print and then approach the framer to cancel the job.
Act with decency sven....you might like how it feels.
Also, is it common for framers to ask for full payment upfront, even though they have the print, which acts as a form of insurance?
-1 sven.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Layaway Days Art Blog on May 28, 2012 0:17:00 GMT 1, I've only used two framers here in Seattle but one required a 50% deposit and the one I use now doesn't require any deposit. Just pay when you pick it up. Nice that way tbh
I've only used two framers here in Seattle but one required a 50% deposit and the one I use now doesn't require any deposit. Just pay when you pick it up. Nice that way tbh
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by svenman on May 28, 2012 0:25:37 GMT 1, Here are pictures of the front of the print when it left my possession.
as said previously sixpac i was genuinely not aware it had been framed as i'd not looked at the back.
i had no reason to as you can see from my pictures it all looks fine. the pictures on your flickr do not look like the same print. the creases are clearly not evident on my pictures.
my use of the word mint was obviously incorrect if this was indeed my print, and yes i am a muppet, but as stated before i was not aware of any tape damage.
i have contacted sixpac and stated i will pay for repair costs over email before she started to raise this publicly. i've not had a reply to that email yet.
also, yes i did pay the framer up front. i've not been able to cancel the order or speak to them because today is sunday and the shop is closed.
sixpac, please get back in touch via email to resolve this.
Here are pictures of the front of the print when it left my possession. as said previously sixpac i was genuinely not aware it had been framed as i'd not looked at the back. i had no reason to as you can see from my pictures it all looks fine. the pictures on your flickr do not look like the same print. the creases are clearly not evident on my pictures. my use of the word mint was obviously incorrect if this was indeed my print, and yes i am a muppet, but as stated before i was not aware of any tape damage. i have contacted sixpac and stated i will pay for repair costs over email before she started to raise this publicly. i've not had a reply to that email yet. also, yes i did pay the framer up front. i've not been able to cancel the order or speak to them because today is sunday and the shop is closed. sixpac, please get back in touch via email to resolve this.
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RolexDave
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 28, 2012 0:39:54 GMT 1, You have had a reply to your email. Why do you continue to lie? Why do you continue to heap blame on me instead of finding the grace to admit that you are at fault?
Here is the reply at 9.50 PM
From: xxxxxxxx.co.uk To: xxxxxx.com Subject: RE: Faile trade for Bast? Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 21:50:00 +0100
All I want is my print back and forget about this sorry event.
The contempt you have of me is obvious by saying the pictures on flickr is not your print. Now to try to get out of your obligation are you saying that I am falsifying these pictures? Most of these shots were of the back to confirm that the print was not mint. And close ups at various angles to show that the marks from the back show through.
Sorry, I'm too upset to write...
You have had a reply to your email. Why do you continue to lie? Why do you continue to heap blame on me instead of finding the grace to admit that you are at fault?
Here is the reply at 9.50 PM
From: xxxxxxxx.co.uk To: xxxxxx.com Subject: RE: Faile trade for Bast? Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 21:50:00 +0100
All I want is my print back and forget about this sorry event.
The contempt you have of me is obvious by saying the pictures on flickr is not your print. Now to try to get out of your obligation are you saying that I am falsifying these pictures? Most of these shots were of the back to confirm that the print was not mint. And close ups at various angles to show that the marks from the back show through.
Sorry, I'm too upset to write...
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Prescription Art on May 28, 2012 0:57:49 GMT 1, It is a Bast print - they usually leave his studio with creases, footprints and drawing pin holes.... i've certainly never received anything directly from Bast (though I haven't bought anything for a few years) that has been 'mint'.
It is a Bast print - they usually leave his studio with creases, footprints and drawing pin holes.... i've certainly never received anything directly from Bast (though I haven't bought anything for a few years) that has been 'mint'.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by pelle on May 28, 2012 0:59:43 GMT 1, Some really strange positioning going on here. Mint is mint. It is not very good condition, or some wear and tear or damaged. Mint is without any defect and in the same condition as a perfect newly produced print would be found in. If you do not understand the definition of mint do not use this description particularly if you cannot be arsed to verify your use of the word prior to or during packing. Your description of your print, if pictures prove the OPs point, was miles off and has disadvantaged the OP. Very very poor form.
I take it you've never seen a BAST print in real life?
Some really strange positioning going on here. Mint is mint. It is not very good condition, or some wear and tear or damaged. Mint is without any defect and in the same condition as a perfect newly produced print would be found in. If you do not understand the definition of mint do not use this description particularly if you cannot be arsed to verify your use of the word prior to or during packing. Your description of your print, if pictures prove the OPs point, was miles off and has disadvantaged the OP. Very very poor form. I take it you've never seen a BAST print in real life?
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RolexDave
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 28, 2012 1:10:00 GMT 1, It is a Bast print - they usually leave his studio with creases, footprints and drawing pin holes.... i've certainly never received anything directly from Bast (though I haven't bought anything for a few years) that has been 'mint'.
That I know and am aware of. The difference being this print having adhesive marks that show through the print after being framed. Nothing to do with BAST walking on the print etc... And I do get your point!
It is a Bast print - they usually leave his studio with creases, footprints and drawing pin holes.... i've certainly never received anything directly from Bast (though I haven't bought anything for a few years) that has been 'mint'. That I know and am aware of. The difference being this print having adhesive marks that show through the print after being framed. Nothing to do with BAST walking on the print etc... And I do get your point!
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by misterx on May 28, 2012 1:13:44 GMT 1, Do they come with tape marks where the tape has been pulled off upon removal from a frame?? Because thats what appears to have happened here...
Ive never seen one in real life.
But if you are implying this print is "mint"by BAST standards I am glad I have never bought one! So BAST has a run of 50 prints which he then purposefully buggers up before sending out?
I find this hard to believe given some beauties of his that have showed up on here, seemingly minus the damage you are implying is the norm....
Do they come with tape marks where the tape has been pulled off upon removal from a frame?? Because thats what appears to have happened here...
Ive never seen one in real life.
But if you are implying this print is "mint"by BAST standards I am glad I have never bought one! So BAST has a run of 50 prints which he then purposefully buggers up before sending out?
I find this hard to believe given some beauties of his that have showed up on here, seemingly minus the damage you are implying is the norm....
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 28, 2012 1:41:27 GMT 1,
Anyone describing a print as 'mint' is duty bound to have made effort to back the statement. Saying it's not your fault because you didn't notice is ridiculous, arrogant and plain rude.
The goods are not 'as described' and should be returned immediately.
Anyone describing a print as 'mint' is duty bound to have made effort to back the statement. Saying it's not your fault because you didn't notice is ridiculous, arrogant and plain rude.
The goods are not 'as described' and should be returned immediately.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Wearology on May 28, 2012 1:42:28 GMT 1, *** Assistant Mod Alert *** This whole thread makes for some real good reading and I will let it play our for now - but please do not post private messages (PM's) publicly. I understand both parties are using the PM's to support their case - but they are called private messages for a reason and should remain so.
*** Assistant Mod Alert *** This whole thread makes for some real good reading and I will let it play our for now - but please do not post private messages (PM's) publicly. I understand both parties are using the PM's to support their case - but they are called private messages for a reason and should remain so.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 28, 2012 1:44:31 GMT 1, I have a number of Bast works on paper, and while they do suffer 'studio quality', this is not the issue here.
This is post-sale damage derived from frame removal, not Bast's methods.
I have a number of Bast works on paper, and while they do suffer 'studio quality', this is not the issue here.
This is post-sale damage derived from frame removal, not Bast's methods.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 28, 2012 1:47:33 GMT 1, Clear proof of mans inability to communicate without posturing
Clear proof of mans inability to communicate without posturing
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 28, 2012 10:52:40 GMT 1, i read this thread with interest and amusement in equal measure.they do say that every story has 2 sides, and this one has been played out so wonderfully one sided so far, i checked the front of the print only.i've requested pictures of the damage but have not seen them yet or had an email response from sixpac. i've not refused to exchange the print. have simply said that i've already taken it to the framers and paid for framing. this was the first and last trade i'll ever do. get the popcorn out sixpac. hopefully no 'visits' will be needed to resolve the issue. i would have much preferred to keep this between sixpac and myself, but it seems that she has time to seek some one sided validation from the internet rather than acknowledge my emails currently.
I haven't said anything that is not true. It is not played out as you say.
I do not find this situation amusing either.
I have showed the pictures as requested, and you still do not believe the pictures.
You have said publically on this forum that you have not refused to exchange the print. Please do the right thing and exchange it. This is what I am asking.
I don't understand the term, 'get the popcorn out'?
There is no one sided validation, just the truth, but it seems you do not want to see it and return my print.
i read this thread with interest and amusement in equal measure.they do say that every story has 2 sides, and this one has been played out so wonderfully one sided so far, i checked the front of the print only.i've requested pictures of the damage but have not seen them yet or had an email response from sixpac. i've not refused to exchange the print. have simply said that i've already taken it to the framers and paid for framing. this was the first and last trade i'll ever do. get the popcorn out sixpac. hopefully no 'visits' will be needed to resolve the issue. i would have much preferred to keep this between sixpac and myself, but it seems that she has time to seek some one sided validation from the internet rather than acknowledge my emails currently. I haven't said anything that is not true. It is not played out as you say. I do not find this situation amusing either. I have showed the pictures as requested, and you still do not believe the pictures. You have said publically on this forum that you have not refused to exchange the print. Please do the right thing and exchange it. This is what I am asking. I don't understand the term, 'get the popcorn out'? There is no one sided validation, just the truth, but it seems you do not want to see it and return my print.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 28, 2012 12:28:06 GMT 1, Do they come with tape marks where the tape has been pulled off upon removal from a frame?? Because thats what appears to have happened here... Ive never seen one in real life. But if you are implying this print is "mint"by BAST standards I am glad I have never bought one! So BAST has a run of 50 prints which he then purposefully buggers up before sending out? I find this hard to believe given some beauties of his that have showed up on here, seemingly minus the damage you are implying is the norm....
I have the full 'Mickey' series from Santas Ghetto a few years back and i must admit every single one of them has some, what would be considered to be unacceptable, marks / scratches and pull marks where it looks like the ink had stuck to the previous print staked on top of it and just been pulled off leaving the finish and paper thinner that it should be.
Having said that fully agree with other comments. The print is not mint and has nothing to do with studio imperfections. To me it looks like the print has been professionally framed but not de-framed professionally. Some framers (i'm no expert) do use adhensive to position prints that is easily removable but applying distilled water. This makes the whold framing process fully reversable to 'Mint' condition. It looks like whoever took this out of the frame didnt take professional consultation before doing so and just pulled the tape! Not saying it was the seller.
Makes me wonder, if this print is now third-hand, what the description of sale was prior to being sold this time round.
Do they come with tape marks where the tape has been pulled off upon removal from a frame?? Because thats what appears to have happened here... Ive never seen one in real life. But if you are implying this print is "mint"by BAST standards I am glad I have never bought one! So BAST has a run of 50 prints which he then purposefully buggers up before sending out? I find this hard to believe given some beauties of his that have showed up on here, seemingly minus the damage you are implying is the norm.... I have the full 'Mickey' series from Santas Ghetto a few years back and i must admit every single one of them has some, what would be considered to be unacceptable, marks / scratches and pull marks where it looks like the ink had stuck to the previous print staked on top of it and just been pulled off leaving the finish and paper thinner that it should be. Having said that fully agree with other comments. The print is not mint and has nothing to do with studio imperfections. To me it looks like the print has been professionally framed but not de-framed professionally. Some framers (i'm no expert) do use adhensive to position prints that is easily removable but applying distilled water. This makes the whold framing process fully reversable to 'Mint' condition. It looks like whoever took this out of the frame didnt take professional consultation before doing so and just pulled the tape! Not saying it was the seller. Makes me wonder, if this print is now third-hand, what the description of sale was prior to being sold this time round.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 28, 2012 18:20:36 GMT 1, When a seller tells porkies about the condition( I don't accept you "didn't see it') of a print, this sours the deal immediately. The only decent thing for svenman to do is return six pacs print and then approach the framer to cancel the job. Act with decency sven....you might like how it feels. Also, is it common for framers to ask for full payment upfront, even though they have the print, which acts as a form of insurance? -1 sven.
He wont return my print! He says the framer has already cut the glass and the frame and spent ยฃ188 of the ยฃ212 he has given the framer.
He said the print was mint. It is not as I have shown in the pictures.
He said it has not been in a frame. It has, I have shown the adhesive marks in the pictures.
I dont want his lying print, everytime I look at it, I see his lies. Can anyone help me with this?
When a seller tells porkies about the condition( I don't accept you "didn't see it') of a print, this sours the deal immediately. The only decent thing for svenman to do is return six pacs print and then approach the framer to cancel the job. Act with decency sven....you might like how it feels. Also, is it common for framers to ask for full payment upfront, even though they have the print, which acts as a form of insurance? -1 sven. He wont return my print! He says the framer has already cut the glass and the frame and spent ยฃ188 of the ยฃ212 he has given the framer. He said the print was mint. It is not as I have shown in the pictures. He said it has not been in a frame. It has, I have shown the adhesive marks in the pictures. I dont want his lying print, everytime I look at it, I see his lies. Can anyone help me with this?
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 28, 2012 18:30:07 GMT 1, Anyone describing a print as 'mint' is duty bound to have made effort to back the statement. Saying it's not your fault because you didn't notice is ridiculous, arrogant and plain rude. The goods are not 'as described' and should be returned immediately.
Thanks! But I am not holding out much hope at the moment.
Anyone describing a print as 'mint' is duty bound to have made effort to back the statement. Saying it's not your fault because you didn't notice is ridiculous, arrogant and plain rude. The goods are not 'as described' and should be returned immediately. Thanks! But I am not holding out much hope at the moment.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Finsbury on May 28, 2012 18:34:54 GMT 1, Saying you didn't notice it surely wouldn't stand up under the trade descriptions act would it? Only a thought as never been down this road before, but surely something sold not as described is deemed as 'fraud' surely.
Saying you didn't notice it surely wouldn't stand up under the trade descriptions act would it? Only a thought as never been down this road before, but surely something sold not as described is deemed as 'fraud' surely.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by xmyart on May 28, 2012 18:44:18 GMT 1, As far as i can see, there is no way you could miss that kind of damage on the back of a print. As soon as you rolled it you would feel it and see it.
Why on earth wouldnt you check the back of a print anyway?? I would do that with mine if i sold one, even if i knew it hadnt been framed!
If that wasnt on your print svenman i suspect you would be putting up a far harder defence than you are! If i sent a mint print out and someone said that it had that damage, i would laugh at them! You offered to get it fixed. Sounds fishy to me.
As far as i can see, there is no way you could miss that kind of damage on the back of a print. As soon as you rolled it you would feel it and see it.
Why on earth wouldnt you check the back of a print anyway?? I would do that with mine if i sold one, even if i knew it hadnt been framed!
If that wasnt on your print svenman i suspect you would be putting up a far harder defence than you are! If i sent a mint print out and someone said that it had that damage, i would laugh at them! You offered to get it fixed. Sounds fishy to me.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by curiousgeorge on May 28, 2012 19:15:22 GMT 1, I check out the back of prints to see s**tty framing but why the OCD over the back of 'street art' prints?monetary I guess?
Sly dig at the op ? When spending 100's and sometimes 1000's none of us really care if the paper is not marked, because it's all about the image right? Anyone that says different is fibbing or very very rich
Looking at the stack of prints in that portfolio suggests the seller is well versed in looking after prints
I check out the back of prints to see s**tty framing but why the OCD over the back of 'street art' prints?monetary I guess? Sly dig at the op ? When spending 100's and sometimes 1000's none of us really care if the paper is not marked, because it's all about the image right? Anyone that says different is fibbing or very very rich Looking at the stack of prints in that portfolio suggests the seller is well versed in looking after prints
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 28, 2012 19:17:27 GMT 1, The bottom line is if the seller doesnt bow to pressure of morality then there is little you can do. Small claims court is an option but when considering the time and money you will spend it might be worth putting this down to experience. I know thats not what you wanna here but i see no other alternative. On the plus side you have flagged for other buyers / traders although i understand this is of little or no recompence.
The bottom line is if the seller doesnt bow to pressure of morality then there is little you can do. Small claims court is an option but when considering the time and money you will spend it might be worth putting this down to experience. I know thats not what you wanna here but i see no other alternative. On the plus side you have flagged for other buyers / traders although i understand this is of little or no recompence.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by sfinks on May 28, 2012 19:47:00 GMT 1, I feel your frustration sixpack, and i would have issues hanging a picture with so much bad vibes on my wall. I dont feel a 100% effort from the other part to solve this issue, more like ways to get out of it. Even if you cant make things out with your trader, i hope you find a solution for yourself that makes you happy. Hope this doesnt lower your trust in the art trade or urban art forum.
Personally i would try and sell the print for as close to the expense's as possible, and then threat myself with something ive wanted for some time
I feel your frustration sixpack, and i would have issues hanging a picture with so much bad vibes on my wall. I dont feel a 100% effort from the other part to solve this issue, more like ways to get out of it. Even if you cant make things out with your trader, i hope you find a solution for yourself that makes you happy. Hope this doesnt lower your trust in the art trade or urban art forum. Personally i would try and sell the print for as close to the expense's as possible, and then threat myself with something ive wanted for some time
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by svenman on May 28, 2012 22:28:04 GMT 1, As far as i can see, there is no way you could miss that kind of damage on the back of a print. As soon as you rolled it you would feel it and see it. Why on earth wouldnt you check the back of a print anyway?? I would do that with mine if i sold one, even if i knew it hadnt been framed! If that wasnt on your print svenman i suspect you would be putting up a far harder defence than you are! If i sent a mint print out and someone said that it had that damage, i would laugh at them! You offered to get it fixed. Sounds fishy to me.
well, i truly value your opinion xmyart.
i've stated to sixpac - whichever person it is at the time - that i was wrong to say the print was mint and never framed, i thought that was the case. i didn't check as it looked perfect from the front. totally my bad. look at my picture though... i'll never use the word mint again, even when buying a packet of polos.
and yes, i've offered to have the 'damage' repaired by a professional restorer. before this thread started. nothing fishy, just my cooperative nature.
i have also asked for full front and rear pictures so i can compare with mine, which i am still waiting for.
as i stand i'm a few quid down on the framing costs, which i'm not prepared to loose out on. i took the thing to the framers straight after i had the confirmation from sixpac that: 'I got it, thanks, all intact.'
i'm trying to resolve the issue in a reasonable way with sixpac(s).
and i've not told any LIES, LIES, LIES either. and neither has the print.
As far as i can see, there is no way you could miss that kind of damage on the back of a print. As soon as you rolled it you would feel it and see it. Why on earth wouldnt you check the back of a print anyway?? I would do that with mine if i sold one, even if i knew it hadnt been framed! If that wasnt on your print svenman i suspect you would be putting up a far harder defence than you are! If i sent a mint print out and someone said that it had that damage, i would laugh at them! You offered to get it fixed. Sounds fishy to me. well, i truly value your opinion xmyart. i've stated to sixpac - whichever person it is at the time - that i was wrong to say the print was mint and never framed, i thought that was the case. i didn't check as it looked perfect from the front. totally my bad. look at my picture though... i'll never use the word mint again, even when buying a packet of polos. and yes, i've offered to have the 'damage' repaired by a professional restorer. before this thread started. nothing fishy, just my cooperative nature. i have also asked for full front and rear pictures so i can compare with mine, which i am still waiting for. as i stand i'm a few quid down on the framing costs, which i'm not prepared to loose out on. i took the thing to the framers straight after i had the confirmation from sixpac that: 'I got it, thanks, all intact.'i'm trying to resolve the issue in a reasonable way with sixpac(s). and i've not told any LIES, LIES, LIES either. and neither has the print.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by jonti on May 28, 2012 22:55:10 GMT 1, As far as i can see, there is no way you could miss that kind of damage on the back of a print. As soon as you rolled it you would feel it and see it. Why on earth wouldnt you check the back of a print anyway?? I would do that with mine if i sold one, even if i knew it hadnt been framed! If that wasnt on your print svenman i suspect you would be putting up a far harder defence than you are! If i sent a mint print out and someone said that it had that damage, i would laugh at them! You offered to get it fixed. Sounds fishy to me. i have also asked for full front and rear pictures so i can compare with mine, which i am still waiting for.
All things considered, I must admit that is strange.
As far as i can see, there is no way you could miss that kind of damage on the back of a print. As soon as you rolled it you would feel it and see it. Why on earth wouldnt you check the back of a print anyway?? I would do that with mine if i sold one, even if i knew it hadnt been framed! If that wasnt on your print svenman i suspect you would be putting up a far harder defence than you are! If i sent a mint print out and someone said that it had that damage, i would laugh at them! You offered to get it fixed. Sounds fishy to me. i have also asked for full front and rear pictures so i can compare with mine, which i am still waiting for. All things considered, I must admit that is strange.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 29, 2012 6:46:12 GMT 1, I could be wrong, but these look like 2 different prints to me - comparing the signatures from Svenman's photos vs Sixpac's - the signatures dont match.
I could be wrong, but these look like 2 different prints to me - comparing the signatures from Svenman's photos vs Sixpac's - the signatures dont match.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 29, 2012 7:07:45 GMT 1, Got an interesting observation that's a neg
Your view is too right / left wing that's a neg
I've got a tummy upset that's a neg
I've no idea what you're talking about that's a neg
I'm upset at being negged that's a neg
Fundamentally question the thought process behind a piece of street art that's a neg
Read a book? That's a neg
Got an interesting observation that's a neg
Your view is too right / left wing that's a neg
I've got a tummy upset that's a neg
I've no idea what you're talking about that's a neg
I'm upset at being negged that's a neg
Fundamentally question the thought process behind a piece of street art that's a neg
Read a book? That's a neg
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Layaway Days Art Blog on May 29, 2012 7:22:19 GMT 1, Ah crap, I agree with DD, guessing that's a neg?
Got an interesting observation that's a neg Your view is too right / left wing that's a neg I've got a tummy upset that's a neg I've no idea what you're talking about that's a neg I'm upset at being negged that's a neg Fundamentally question the thought process behind a piece of street art that's a neg Read a book? That's a neg
Ah crap, I agree with DD, guessing that's a neg? Got an interesting observation that's a neg Your view is too right / left wing that's a neg I've got a tummy upset that's a neg I've no idea what you're talking about that's a neg I'm upset at being negged that's a neg Fundamentally question the thought process behind a piece of street art that's a neg Read a book? That's a neg
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