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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Happy Shopper on May 29, 2012 13:40:02 GMT 1, Joe, what are you talking about ? Why try to use that picture, taken with extreme perspective and distortion to the image ? Of course you can't make it match. Use the good photo from sixpacs flicker, taken straight on. FFS !
Joe, what are you talking about ? Why try to use that picture, taken with extreme perspective and distortion to the image ? Of course you can't make it match. Use the good photo from sixpacs flicker, taken straight on. FFS !
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by naughtyshorty on May 29, 2012 14:33:33 GMT 1, this is more interesting than midsummer murders.. *cracks open another bag of popcorn*
this is more interesting than midsummer murders.. *cracks open another bag of popcorn*
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by poppa on May 29, 2012 14:45:12 GMT 1, Dont be a plid - use this photo, and see if you get the same smart a**e results
What's a 'plid'? Never heard that before
Dont be a plid - use this photo, and see if you get the same smart a**e results What's a 'plid'? Never heard that before
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 29, 2012 14:54:31 GMT 1, Joe, what are you talking about ? Why try to use that picture, taken with extreme perspective and distortion to the image ? Of course you can't make it match. Use the good photo from sixpacs flicker, taken straight on. FFS !
dont get leary with me youngman!!!
The photo taken straight on, is for all intent and purposes probably the same print, howwer that photo doesnt look like it has any damage or issues with it.
While the others on the same flickr stream, do and the signature on the damaged print, imo looks different. That is my point.
Joe, what are you talking about ? Why try to use that picture, taken with extreme perspective and distortion to the image ? Of course you can't make it match. Use the good photo from sixpacs flicker, taken straight on. FFS ! dont get leary with me youngman!!! The photo taken straight on, is for all intent and purposes probably the same print, howwer that photo doesnt look like it has any damage or issues with it. While the others on the same flickr stream, do and the signature on the damaged print, imo looks different. That is my point.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by holden on May 29, 2012 15:02:49 GMT 1, ye old switcheroo?
ye old switcheroo?
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by fairplay1974 on May 29, 2012 15:29:40 GMT 1, This thread and the public laundry airing is all a little bit school playground....Whilst I agree on naming and shaming where appropriate in blatant rip offs, in this instance I don't believe that to be the case. Two frustrated parties - yes. Two people who want a positive outcome - yes....But let's remember a trade was completed and if due diligence wasn't performed via photos, provenance etc before that trade then neither party is completely at fault or innocent.
Both members now need to leave the party with a balloon and a smile....
So does it not stand to reason that because both parties traded these prints that they neither really wanted the prints they had originally and thought the deal a good one all round? Further can I assume sixpac that you like the Bast print? If that's the case why not take Svenman up on his offer to get it fixed, cost out of his pocket? That to me is an amicable and fair reconciliation is it not? I don't think an 'every time I look at it, it will depress me' response is fair, the print still is what it is and is lovely, fully restored a real peach!
This thread and the public laundry airing is all a little bit school playground....Whilst I agree on naming and shaming where appropriate in blatant rip offs, in this instance I don't believe that to be the case. Two frustrated parties - yes. Two people who want a positive outcome - yes....But let's remember a trade was completed and if due diligence wasn't performed via photos, provenance etc before that trade then neither party is completely at fault or innocent.
Both members now need to leave the party with a balloon and a smile....
So does it not stand to reason that because both parties traded these prints that they neither really wanted the prints they had originally and thought the deal a good one all round? Further can I assume sixpac that you like the Bast print? If that's the case why not take Svenman up on his offer to get it fixed, cost out of his pocket? That to me is an amicable and fair reconciliation is it not? I don't think an 'every time I look at it, it will depress me' response is fair, the print still is what it is and is lovely, fully restored a real peach!
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by dotdot on May 29, 2012 15:45:28 GMT 1, This thread and the public laundry airing is all a little bit school playground....Whilst I agree on naming and shaming where appropriate in blatant rip offs, in this instance I don't believe that to be the case. Two frustrated parties - yes. Two people who want a positive outcome - yes....But let's remember a trade was completed and if due diligence wasn't performed via photos, provenance etc before that trade then neither party is completely at fault or innocent. Both members now need to leave the party with a balloon and a smile.... So does it not stand to reason that because both parties traded these prints that they neither really wanted the prints they had originally and thought the deal a good one all round? Further can I assume sixpac that you like the Bast print? If that's the case why not take Svenman up on his offer to get it fixed, cost out of his pocket? That to me is an amicable and fair reconciliation is it not? I don't think an 'every time I look at it, it will depress me' response is fair, the print still is what it is and is lovely, fully restored a real peach!
+1
sven - cost to fix ? six - can you handle that ?
if not refund...
balloons ? we all love ballons ? c'mon sort it boys... !!
at least it's not a "goldie" image .. hey stay cool !!
This thread and the public laundry airing is all a little bit school playground....Whilst I agree on naming and shaming where appropriate in blatant rip offs, in this instance I don't believe that to be the case. Two frustrated parties - yes. Two people who want a positive outcome - yes....But let's remember a trade was completed and if due diligence wasn't performed via photos, provenance etc before that trade then neither party is completely at fault or innocent. Both members now need to leave the party with a balloon and a smile.... So does it not stand to reason that because both parties traded these prints that they neither really wanted the prints they had originally and thought the deal a good one all round? Further can I assume sixpac that you like the Bast print? If that's the case why not take Svenman up on his offer to get it fixed, cost out of his pocket? That to me is an amicable and fair reconciliation is it not? I don't think an 'every time I look at it, it will depress me' response is fair, the print still is what it is and is lovely, fully restored a real peach! +1 sven - cost to fix ? six - can you handle that ? if not refund... balloons ? we all love ballons ? c'mon sort it boys... !! at least it's not a "goldie" image .. hey stay cool !!
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Dr Plip on May 29, 2012 15:59:06 GMT 1, Dont be a plid - use this photo, and see if you get the same smart a**e results What's a 'plid'? Never heard that before
I have. From school. In the 90's
Dont be a plid - use this photo, and see if you get the same smart a**e results What's a 'plid'? Never heard that before I have. From school. In the 90's
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 29, 2012 16:19:24 GMT 1, Wow. FFS, just do the right thing and swap back. Karma's a bitch.
Wow. FFS, just do the right thing and swap back. Karma's a bitch.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Happy Shopper on May 29, 2012 16:27:54 GMT 1, Joe, what are you talking about ? Why try to use that picture, taken with extreme perspective and distortion to the image ? Of course you can't make it match. Use the good photo from sixpacs flicker, taken straight on. FFS ! dont get leary with me youngman!!! The photo taken straight on, is for all intent and purposes probably the same print, howwer that photo doesnt look like it has any damage or issues with it. While the others on the same flickr stream, do and the signature on the damaged print, imo looks different. That is my point.
OK, I see your point, but I made it work, and here you go... no switching of prints...
Joe, what are you talking about ? Why try to use that picture, taken with extreme perspective and distortion to the image ? Of course you can't make it match. Use the good photo from sixpacs flicker, taken straight on. FFS ! dont get leary with me youngman!!! The photo taken straight on, is for all intent and purposes probably the same print, howwer that photo doesnt look like it has any damage or issues with it. While the others on the same flickr stream, do and the signature on the damaged print, imo looks different. That is my point. OK, I see your point, but I made it work, and here you go... no switching of prints...
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by svenman on May 29, 2012 16:29:58 GMT 1, i'm still waiting to see the full picture of the back of the print. with the content of the thread i don't think that is too much to ask.
fairplay1974 - you've earned your name sir. nice to see a reasoned response or two coming through from yourself an a few others. as for naming and shaming, i came out myself as i have nothing to hide in this saga.
dotdot - my first reaction to hearing of the damage was to offer to pay restoration costs with everyone's favourite mr bignell. i'd suggested ยฃ60 as that was how much i paid last year to repair a larger print than this that had similar issues on the front of the print due to a mailing mishap.
being the rear of the print is in question here, i'd suggest this would seem reasonable as not the same level of skill should need to be applied - but that is just my complete layman take on the situation.
would need to see that picture though to get the quote in the first place as there is no frame of reference for the close up pictures in the flickr thread. my picture showing no damage on the front of the print is my benchmark up until now.
i'm hoping to arrange for a friend in london to go and take a look for themselves.
i would love a ballon though.
i'm still waiting to see the full picture of the back of the print. with the content of the thread i don't think that is too much to ask.
fairplay1974 - you've earned your name sir. nice to see a reasoned response or two coming through from yourself an a few others. as for naming and shaming, i came out myself as i have nothing to hide in this saga.
dotdot - my first reaction to hearing of the damage was to offer to pay restoration costs with everyone's favourite mr bignell. i'd suggested ยฃ60 as that was how much i paid last year to repair a larger print than this that had similar issues on the front of the print due to a mailing mishap.
being the rear of the print is in question here, i'd suggest this would seem reasonable as not the same level of skill should need to be applied - but that is just my complete layman take on the situation.
would need to see that picture though to get the quote in the first place as there is no frame of reference for the close up pictures in the flickr thread. my picture showing no damage on the front of the print is my benchmark up until now.
i'm hoping to arrange for a friend in london to go and take a look for themselves.
i would love a ballon though.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by jrg on May 29, 2012 19:36:15 GMT 1, I think whats in question here is that you misrepresented this piece. You seem to try and justify your actions and putting the blame on sixpack for not excepting the piece as is however minor or major the damage, front or back its irelevent it wasnt disclosed and thats the problem.
If you really want to do the right thing swap back... Im sure sven or any of us would be pissed if the tables were turned.
I think whats in question here is that you misrepresented this piece. You seem to try and justify your actions and putting the blame on sixpack for not excepting the piece as is however minor or major the damage, front or back its irelevent it wasnt disclosed and thats the problem.
If you really want to do the right thing swap back... Im sure sven or any of us would be pissed if the tables were turned.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by spenie on May 29, 2012 22:09:20 GMT 1, I think what we have here is too many people sticking their nose into an issue what involves only two people, this thread should have been locked along time ago. Let the parties involved sort between pm's or emails, far to much mudslinging already. I would like to say that i've dealt with Sven and found him to be a very fair and honest person and I'm sure this could have been sorted( by pm) . Neg away c0ck knockers because I ain't arsed...
I think what we have here is too many people sticking their nose into an issue what involves only two people, this thread should have been locked along time ago. Let the parties involved sort between pm's or emails, far to much mudslinging already. I would like to say that i've dealt with Sven and found him to be a very fair and honest person and I'm sure this could have been sorted( by pm) . Neg away c0ck knockers because I ain't arsed...
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Finsbury on May 29, 2012 22:24:02 GMT 1, ^ I think the opposite. Sixpac started the thread by asking what he/she could do about the situation, to which the vast majority have given sound advice and tried to help resolve the dispute. It doesnt sound like this so far has or is going to be resolved by pm's, although i hope it will. Btw, personally i wouldnt want to have to return the print to graham bignell and have it repaired even though i know he is a top restorer. It was sold as mint in its entirety and that is what it should of been. The prints should be returned full stop.
^ I think the opposite. Sixpac started the thread by asking what he/she could do about the situation, to which the vast majority have given sound advice and tried to help resolve the dispute. It doesnt sound like this so far has or is going to be resolved by pm's, although i hope it will. Btw, personally i wouldnt want to have to return the print to graham bignell and have it repaired even though i know he is a top restorer. It was sold as mint in its entirety and that is what it should of been. The prints should be returned full stop.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by spenie on May 29, 2012 22:45:19 GMT 1, Like Sven has said, he's still awaiting photos of the back of the actual print, as yet these have not been forth coming.
Like Sven has said, he's still awaiting photos of the back of the actual print, as yet these have not been forth coming.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by poppa on May 29, 2012 23:25:09 GMT 1, Like Sven has said, he's still awaiting photos of the back of the actual print, as yet these have not been forth coming.
Thought these were those: PHOTOS
Like Sven has said, he's still awaiting photos of the back of the actual print, as yet these have not been forth coming. Thought these were those: PHOTOS
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by jonti on May 30, 2012 5:52:53 GMT 1, How can Sven look at them with a straight face ^^
How can Sven look at them with a straight face ^^
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by johnnyh on May 30, 2012 7:26:00 GMT 1, Do not particularly want to enter this but there is one kind of constant in this. That is Svenman saying he did not lie. Maybe.
However you have been a member since 2009 according to a fair few people on here traded a few pieces etc so you have bought a few etc.
i was not aware of any damage. i checked the front of the print only.
What can I say? I'm no detective obviously! The print looked fine from the front. As i said I'm genuinely unaware of any marks detrimental to the print and it's apparent flip value...
i've stated to sixpac - whichever person it is at the time - that i was wrong to say the print was mint and never framed, i thought that was the case. i didn't check as it looked perfect from the front.
and i've not told any LIES, LIES, LIES either. and neither has the print
The above is all lies for you to say you did not see or notice the back.
Mate you are quite a collector with a fair collection so this just does not ring true at all and you know it. But let's accept that you are not telling lies. Then you know that this is your mistake genuine or not. Repairing as you know as a collector is not correct. You repair it and re sell it.
Your problem is the frame. But that's not lost. As you can swap back all happy your mistake as you have admitted. You can then re find the print Sixpac had from else where and put into the frame your framer has produced. The frame will still be waiting so no money lost there.
You really should do both the HONEST and DECENT thing as you know the situ as you yourself are a collector. Then just maybe people will believe that you an experienced collector bought a print that you never saw the back of!!!!!!!!!
Do not particularly want to enter this but there is one kind of constant in this. That is Svenman saying he did not lie. Maybe.
However you have been a member since 2009 according to a fair few people on here traded a few pieces etc so you have bought a few etc.
i was not aware of any damage. i checked the front of the print only.
What can I say? I'm no detective obviously! The print looked fine from the front. As i said I'm genuinely unaware of any marks detrimental to the print and it's apparent flip value...
i've stated to sixpac - whichever person it is at the time - that i was wrong to say the print was mint and never framed, i thought that was the case. i didn't check as it looked perfect from the front.
and i've not told any LIES, LIES, LIES either. and neither has the print
The above is all lies for you to say you did not see or notice the back.
Mate you are quite a collector with a fair collection so this just does not ring true at all and you know it. But let's accept that you are not telling lies. Then you know that this is your mistake genuine or not. Repairing as you know as a collector is not correct. You repair it and re sell it.
Your problem is the frame. But that's not lost. As you can swap back all happy your mistake as you have admitted. You can then re find the print Sixpac had from else where and put into the frame your framer has produced. The frame will still be waiting so no money lost there.
You really should do both the HONEST and DECENT thing as you know the situ as you yourself are a collector. Then just maybe people will believe that you an experienced collector bought a print that you never saw the back of!!!!!!!!!
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by poppa on May 30, 2012 12:02:07 GMT 1, Your problem is the frame. But that's not lost. As you can swap back all happy your mistake as you have admitted. You can then re find the print Sixpac had from else where and put into the frame your framer has produced. The frame will still be waiting so no money lost there. You really should do both the HONEST and DECENT thing as you know the situ as you yourself are a collector.
I agree with johnny here, That portfolio of yours looked quite chunky and I'm sure there's another print in there that'll fit nicely in the frame.
Your problem is the frame. But that's not lost. As you can swap back all happy your mistake as you have admitted. You can then re find the print Sixpac had from else where and put into the frame your framer has produced. The frame will still be waiting so no money lost there. You really should do both the HONEST and DECENT thing as you know the situ as you yourself are a collector. I agree with johnny here, That portfolio of yours looked quite chunky and I'm sure there's another print in there that'll fit nicely in the frame.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 31, 2012 12:30:48 GMT 1, Svenman has said to me that If I don't get back to him the the next day then I am accepting in the trade in its current situation!
The arrogance of that man is incredible.
As everyone is aware by now, he will not do the honest and decent thing as he is neither.
I have to accept that I will have to take legal action if I want the print back.
He has said he has offered to pay restoration costs (though that wasn't what I wanted, I wanted my print back). However, the print has been looked at by a restorer.
The restorers can confirm that the print has been mounted when framed.
The restorers can confirm that the print has been 'skinned'. This is where layers of the paper have been taken off by crudely removing the adhesive from the print. This cannot be reversed. If the restorers had to add paper, it would be seen at the front. As it is they can see the skinned marks from the back showing at the front.
The restorers will do the best they can to ensure that the skinned marks will not be seen at the front, but the print will never be 'mint'!
As soon as I have a price for the works, I will be in touch with you all and Svenman,
The reason I have to go public is Svenman is quite agressive in his demands.
He still wants a picture of the back from far away. What good does it do him, I'll never know. There are close up pictures on flickr that does not satisfy him and I will be able to confirm that the restorers has seen his print numbered 13/25 as well.
He also wants to send someone down to my house to inspect the print as well as he is not satisfied.
Svenman please stop being aggressive and ordering me about. I have given you pictures, these have been confirmed that they are the same print. There is no switcheroo (!) But you tell me the damage on the print has no relevance. You act like that you are the aggrieved party and not I.
I hope that the restorers can give me a quote in time before Svenman assumes that I am happy with the print because all that matters to Svenman is what Svenman wants and damn anyone else.
Svenman has said to me that If I don't get back to him the the next day then I am accepting in the trade in its current situation!
The arrogance of that man is incredible.
As everyone is aware by now, he will not do the honest and decent thing as he is neither.
I have to accept that I will have to take legal action if I want the print back.
He has said he has offered to pay restoration costs (though that wasn't what I wanted, I wanted my print back). However, the print has been looked at by a restorer.
The restorers can confirm that the print has been mounted when framed.
The restorers can confirm that the print has been 'skinned'. This is where layers of the paper have been taken off by crudely removing the adhesive from the print. This cannot be reversed. If the restorers had to add paper, it would be seen at the front. As it is they can see the skinned marks from the back showing at the front.
The restorers will do the best they can to ensure that the skinned marks will not be seen at the front, but the print will never be 'mint'!
As soon as I have a price for the works, I will be in touch with you all and Svenman,
The reason I have to go public is Svenman is quite agressive in his demands.
He still wants a picture of the back from far away. What good does it do him, I'll never know. There are close up pictures on flickr that does not satisfy him and I will be able to confirm that the restorers has seen his print numbered 13/25 as well.
He also wants to send someone down to my house to inspect the print as well as he is not satisfied.
Svenman please stop being aggressive and ordering me about. I have given you pictures, these have been confirmed that they are the same print. There is no switcheroo (!) But you tell me the damage on the print has no relevance. You act like that you are the aggrieved party and not I.
I hope that the restorers can give me a quote in time before Svenman assumes that I am happy with the print because all that matters to Svenman is what Svenman wants and damn anyone else.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 31, 2012 13:42:04 GMT 1, Svenman has said to me that If I don't get back to him the the next day then I am accepting in the trade in its current situation! The arrogance of that man is incredible. As everyone is aware by now, he will not do the honest and decent thing as he is neither. I have to accept that I will have to take legal action if I want the print back. He has said he has offered to pay restoration costs (though that wasn't what I wanted, I wanted my print back). However, the print has been looked at by a restorer. The restorers can confirm that the print has been mounted when framed. The restorers can confirm that the print has been 'skinned'. This is where layers of the paper have been taken off by crudely removing the adhesive from the print. This cannot be reversed. If the restorers had to add paper, it would be seen at the front. As it is they can see the skinned marks from the back showing at the front. The restorers will do the best they can to ensure that the skinned marks will not be seen at the front, but the print will never be 'mint'! As soon as I have a price for the works, I will be in touch with you all and Svenman, The reason I have to go public is Svenman is quite agressive in his demands. He still wants a picture of the back from far away. What good does it do him, I'll never know. There are close up pictures on flickr that does not satisfy him and I will be able to confirm that the restorers has seen his print numbered 13/25 as well. He also wants to send someone down to my house to inspect the print as well as he is not satisfied. Svenman please stop being aggressive and ordering me about. I have given you pictures, these have been confirmed that they are the same print. There is no switcheroo (!) But you tell me the damage on the print has no relevance. You act like that you are the aggrieved party and not I. I hope that the restorers can give me a quote in time before Svenman assumes that I am happy with the print because all that matters to Svenman is what Svenman wants and damn anyone else.
good luck, can't imagine why this hasn't been resolved by the other party. I guess if you were a big bloke who lived close by then the situation would have been different. Which makes it all the worse IMO. Hope it doesn't put you off the scene or trading/buying/selling with the rest of the community.
Svenman has said to me that If I don't get back to him the the next day then I am accepting in the trade in its current situation! The arrogance of that man is incredible. As everyone is aware by now, he will not do the honest and decent thing as he is neither. I have to accept that I will have to take legal action if I want the print back. He has said he has offered to pay restoration costs (though that wasn't what I wanted, I wanted my print back). However, the print has been looked at by a restorer. The restorers can confirm that the print has been mounted when framed. The restorers can confirm that the print has been 'skinned'. This is where layers of the paper have been taken off by crudely removing the adhesive from the print. This cannot be reversed. If the restorers had to add paper, it would be seen at the front. As it is they can see the skinned marks from the back showing at the front. The restorers will do the best they can to ensure that the skinned marks will not be seen at the front, but the print will never be 'mint'! As soon as I have a price for the works, I will be in touch with you all and Svenman, The reason I have to go public is Svenman is quite agressive in his demands. He still wants a picture of the back from far away. What good does it do him, I'll never know. There are close up pictures on flickr that does not satisfy him and I will be able to confirm that the restorers has seen his print numbered 13/25 as well. He also wants to send someone down to my house to inspect the print as well as he is not satisfied. Svenman please stop being aggressive and ordering me about. I have given you pictures, these have been confirmed that they are the same print. There is no switcheroo (!) But you tell me the damage on the print has no relevance. You act like that you are the aggrieved party and not I. I hope that the restorers can give me a quote in time before Svenman assumes that I am happy with the print because all that matters to Svenman is what Svenman wants and damn anyone else. good luck, can't imagine why this hasn't been resolved by the other party. I guess if you were a big bloke who lived close by then the situation would have been different. Which makes it all the worse IMO. Hope it doesn't put you off the scene or trading/buying/selling with the rest of the community.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by svenman on May 31, 2012 15:21:30 GMT 1, Svenman has said to me that If I don't get back to him the the next day then I am accepting in the trade in its current situation! The arrogance of that man is incredible. As everyone is aware by now, he will not do the honest and decent thing as he is neither. I have to accept that I will have to take legal action if I want the print back. He has said he has offered to pay restoration costs (though that wasn't what I wanted, I wanted my print back). However, the print has been looked at by a restorer. The restorers can confirm that the print has been mounted when framed. The restorers can confirm that the print has been 'skinned'. This is where layers of the paper have been taken off by crudely removing the adhesive from the print. This cannot be reversed. If the restorers had to add paper, it would be seen at the front. As it is they can see the skinned marks from the back showing at the front. The restorers will do the best they can to ensure that the skinned marks will not be seen at the front, but the print will never be 'mint'! As soon as I have a price for the works, I will be in touch with you all and Svenman, The reason I have to go public is Svenman is quite agressive in his demands. He still wants a picture of the back from far away. What good does it do him, I'll never know. There are close up pictures on flickr that does not satisfy him and I will be able to confirm that the restorers has seen his print numbered 13/25 as well. He also wants to send someone down to my house to inspect the print as well as he is not satisfied. Svenman please stop being aggressive and ordering me about. I have given you pictures, these have been confirmed that they are the same print. There is no switcheroo (!) But you tell me the damage on the print has no relevance. You act like that you are the aggrieved party and not I. I hope that the restorers can give me a quote in time before Svenman assumes that I am happy with the print because all that matters to Svenman is what Svenman wants and damn anyone else.
really, this is getting quite ridiculous. the way you choose to reply to emails via a public forum with your own take on events is quite staggering.
yes, i would like to see a full picture of the back. again, i don't see why there is a problem with this being forthcoming. i've offered to pay repair costs, but i must see a full image first. a full sized picture of front and back is requested not a downsized flickr image. i have asked for this multiple times.
as i've said on multiple occasions, i've paid for bespoke framing on your acceptance of the print. my framer has cut the items to size so they will charge me for this if i request the job to be cancelled. the job is on hold whilst the print flattens and as i have told them not to proceed further until further notice. i have also offered you the chance to take on the framing costs and swap the framed print back with you. i am not willing to loose out on the ยฃ180 plus that is incurred to date. my framer certainly isn't prepared to either. a re-exchange has to be agreed by both parties. if the financial situation described above wasn't the case i'd have agreed to an exchange immediately on receipt of pictures, including the full (not far away) picture of the rear of the print.
given the situation with the apparent damage, which i've apologised for profusely, my proposal to pay for repair costs on the bast print seems to me like the most logical approach for us both as someone stated above then we both get what we want - our exchanged framed prints on the wall.
also, i'd like to point out that i have not been aggressive throughout this exchange, as frustrating as it has become.
i do not 'want to send someone around', but rather we mutually agreed that a local friend could meet you to inspect the print and take pictures on my behalf. you actually said 'Your friend is welcome any time of the day'. the way you infer what is written above presents this in a wholly different light, which has seemingly been consistent in the way you present our private discussions publicly.
i had not received a reply from you for 2 days to my previous email, and that is why i stated i'd like to get a response from you on the way forward. i thank you for being proactive and taking the print to a restorer. please let me have details when they are forthcoming. were they not able to quote upon inspection?
i do not and have not said that the apparent damage is not the issue. surely that is the whole point of this discussion. it seems we are both aggrieved in this situation as it currently stands.
finally, please contact me via email to discuss the proposed resolution as requested previously.
i hope we can reach mutual resolution between ourselves soon in an adult manner.
Svenman has said to me that If I don't get back to him the the next day then I am accepting in the trade in its current situation! The arrogance of that man is incredible. As everyone is aware by now, he will not do the honest and decent thing as he is neither. I have to accept that I will have to take legal action if I want the print back. He has said he has offered to pay restoration costs (though that wasn't what I wanted, I wanted my print back). However, the print has been looked at by a restorer. The restorers can confirm that the print has been mounted when framed. The restorers can confirm that the print has been 'skinned'. This is where layers of the paper have been taken off by crudely removing the adhesive from the print. This cannot be reversed. If the restorers had to add paper, it would be seen at the front. As it is they can see the skinned marks from the back showing at the front. The restorers will do the best they can to ensure that the skinned marks will not be seen at the front, but the print will never be 'mint'! As soon as I have a price for the works, I will be in touch with you all and Svenman, The reason I have to go public is Svenman is quite agressive in his demands. He still wants a picture of the back from far away. What good does it do him, I'll never know. There are close up pictures on flickr that does not satisfy him and I will be able to confirm that the restorers has seen his print numbered 13/25 as well. He also wants to send someone down to my house to inspect the print as well as he is not satisfied. Svenman please stop being aggressive and ordering me about. I have given you pictures, these have been confirmed that they are the same print. There is no switcheroo (!) But you tell me the damage on the print has no relevance. You act like that you are the aggrieved party and not I. I hope that the restorers can give me a quote in time before Svenman assumes that I am happy with the print because all that matters to Svenman is what Svenman wants and damn anyone else. really, this is getting quite ridiculous. the way you choose to reply to emails via a public forum with your own take on events is quite staggering. yes, i would like to see a full picture of the back. again, i don't see why there is a problem with this being forthcoming. i've offered to pay repair costs, but i must see a full image first. a full sized picture of front and back is requested not a downsized flickr image. i have asked for this multiple times. as i've said on multiple occasions, i've paid for bespoke framing on your acceptance of the print. my framer has cut the items to size so they will charge me for this if i request the job to be cancelled. the job is on hold whilst the print flattens and as i have told them not to proceed further until further notice. i have also offered you the chance to take on the framing costs and swap the framed print back with you. i am not willing to loose out on the ยฃ180 plus that is incurred to date. my framer certainly isn't prepared to either. a re-exchange has to be agreed by both parties. if the financial situation described above wasn't the case i'd have agreed to an exchange immediately on receipt of pictures, including the full (not far away) picture of the rear of the print. given the situation with the apparent damage, which i've apologised for profusely, my proposal to pay for repair costs on the bast print seems to me like the most logical approach for us both as someone stated above then we both get what we want - our exchanged framed prints on the wall. also, i'd like to point out that i have not been aggressive throughout this exchange, as frustrating as it has become. i do not 'want to send someone around', but rather we mutually agreed that a local friend could meet you to inspect the print and take pictures on my behalf. you actually said ' Your friend is welcome any time of the day'. the way you infer what is written above presents this in a wholly different light, which has seemingly been consistent in the way you present our private discussions publicly. i had not received a reply from you for 2 days to my previous email, and that is why i stated i'd like to get a response from you on the way forward. i thank you for being proactive and taking the print to a restorer. please let me have details when they are forthcoming. were they not able to quote upon inspection? i do not and have not said that the apparent damage is not the issue. surely that is the whole point of this discussion. it seems we are both aggrieved in this situation as it currently stands. finally, please contact me via email to discuss the proposed resolution as requested previously. i hope we can reach mutual resolution between ourselves soon in an adult manner.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by freeview on May 31, 2012 15:38:48 GMT 1, Take a pic of back but from far away ? well well well...
Take a pic of back but from far away ? well well well...
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danmuppet
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by danmuppet on May 31, 2012 15:50:31 GMT 1, Sorry to get involved but getting a bit boring now IMO! Sort it out privately!
Sorry to get involved but getting a bit boring now IMO! Sort it out privately!
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schnulli
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February 2010
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by schnulli on May 31, 2012 15:54:29 GMT 1, Sorry to get involved but getting a bit boring now IMO! Sort it out privately!
+1 on that. Airing your dirty laundry here's not achieving anything....except pleasing the voyeurs.
Sorry to get involved but getting a bit boring now IMO! Sort it out privately! +1 on that. Airing your dirty laundry here's not achieving anything....except pleasing the voyeurs.
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love
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October 2009
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by love on May 31, 2012 16:02:41 GMT 1, Sven you sold a mint print which wasn't mint. You're soley responsible for this situation, sending a non mint print, paying the framer in advance???,... swap ist back and pay your bloody framer.
Sven you sold a mint print which wasn't mint. You're soley responsible for this situation, sending a non mint print, paying the framer in advance???,... swap ist back and pay your bloody framer.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Daniel Silk on May 31, 2012 16:20:00 GMT 1, Right, this has got to the point now that this really just needs to be resolved in private between the two people involved.
Thank you.
Right, this has got to the point now that this really just needs to be resolved in private between the two people involved.
Thank you.
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RolexDave
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September 2009
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on Jun 23, 2012 17:48:02 GMT 1, Just an update. Sorry for boring some of you, but I have received many messages of support from members here, most if not all, pleading that I take Svenman to court.
I now realise that I cannot get the print back off him as he is in York and I am in London.
I have taken the print to Graham Bignell and have written proof that the print is damaged and the markings on the back show up at the front and will be partially cured by restoring to the tune of ยฃ140 + VAT. But it will never be mint.
This past month have been taken up by me getting the quote by Graham Bignell, Graham Bignell sending pictures of the print and myself sending pictures of the back of the print to Svenman as Svenman still did not believe the email from Graham Bignell.
I still have not recieved the money.
Sorry in advance if this post disturbs you. If Svenman paid me the money then I could deal with this with the restorer.
Thanks to Silky for allowing me to post this by reopening the thread.
Just an update. Sorry for boring some of you, but I have received many messages of support from members here, most if not all, pleading that I take Svenman to court.
I now realise that I cannot get the print back off him as he is in York and I am in London.
I have taken the print to Graham Bignell and have written proof that the print is damaged and the markings on the back show up at the front and will be partially cured by restoring to the tune of ยฃ140 + VAT. But it will never be mint.
This past month have been taken up by me getting the quote by Graham Bignell, Graham Bignell sending pictures of the print and myself sending pictures of the back of the print to Svenman as Svenman still did not believe the email from Graham Bignell.
I still have not recieved the money.
Sorry in advance if this post disturbs you. If Svenman paid me the money then I could deal with this with the restorer.
Thanks to Silky for allowing me to post this by reopening the thread.
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svenman
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April 2009
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by svenman on Jun 23, 2012 19:43:46 GMT 1, Here we go again. Not true in the the slightest. I'm paying the cost of the repairs for the adhesive damage directly to graham bignell as soon as he confirms his ebanking account to me. I've always said I'll pay for the cost of this restoration to the restorer. Now is not good enough for you? If you are having the print restored why is this a problem? Unless you don't intend to have the print restored. Stop telling lies and trying to smear me. You can also stop sending threats too.
This thread should serve as a warning for anyone wanting to deal with me in the future- sixpac / grinreaper has seen to that - but also as a major warning for dealing with them.
Here we go again. Not true in the the slightest. I'm paying the cost of the repairs for the adhesive damage directly to graham bignell as soon as he confirms his ebanking account to me. I've always said I'll pay for the cost of this restoration to the restorer. Now is not good enough for you? If you are having the print restored why is this a problem? Unless you don't intend to have the print restored. Stop telling lies and trying to smear me. You can also stop sending threats too.
This thread should serve as a warning for anyone wanting to deal with me in the future- sixpac / grinreaper has seen to that - but also as a major warning for dealing with them.
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