RolexDave
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 26, 2012 17:22:49 GMT 1, Hi there,
I arranged to do trade a print with a well known forum member who I believe is also a staff member for an American low brow forum site.
I thought with credentials like that I would have no problem at all. So much so that I sent my print to him a week before he could be bothered to send his.
With it I sent details of the receipt of purchase etc. And the print was mint. I disclosed everything about the print. What he did not do was the same.
When I finally recieved it, he did not include the receipt of purchase, and now wont reply to my messages or emails for it. What is worse, however, is that he did not disclose that the print was previously framed and had adhesive tear marks all around the print on the back which is visible on the front! All he said was that he kept it in a flat file.
What can I do about this? I instantly respected him because he is a leading member of another site, but his actions borders on arrogance, thinking that I would put up with a obviously damaged print.
He lives quite far away too so a bus journey is out of the question.
Thoughts please appreciated!
Hi there,
I arranged to do trade a print with a well known forum member who I believe is also a staff member for an American low brow forum site.
I thought with credentials like that I would have no problem at all. So much so that I sent my print to him a week before he could be bothered to send his.
With it I sent details of the receipt of purchase etc. And the print was mint. I disclosed everything about the print. What he did not do was the same.
When I finally recieved it, he did not include the receipt of purchase, and now wont reply to my messages or emails for it. What is worse, however, is that he did not disclose that the print was previously framed and had adhesive tear marks all around the print on the back which is visible on the front! All he said was that he kept it in a flat file.
What can I do about this? I instantly respected him because he is a leading member of another site, but his actions borders on arrogance, thinking that I would put up with a obviously damaged print.
He lives quite far away too so a bus journey is out of the question.
Thoughts please appreciated!
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danmuppet
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by danmuppet on May 26, 2012 17:25:00 GMT 1, Who is it, if we know then maybe we can help u get hold of him and sort this out!
Who is it, if we know then maybe we can help u get hold of him and sort this out!
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leaky217
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by leaky217 on May 26, 2012 17:58:55 GMT 1, what dan said???
what dan said???
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jonti
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by jonti on May 26, 2012 19:46:36 GMT 1, If he is at fault here (which seems to be the case on face value here) just go up and see him, sort it out and get him to pay your expenses; bus journey, food, day off work, bloody everything!
Hope it gets sorted fella
If he is at fault here (which seems to be the case on face value here) just go up and see him, sort it out and get him to pay your expenses; bus journey, food, day off work, bloody everything!
Hope it gets sorted fella
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Chrisp
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Chrisp on May 26, 2012 20:06:20 GMT 1, Very sad to hear that, some very nice art lovers out there and some not so nice. I have had 3 deals in last 4 weeks(4 prints) 2 arrived a1 other 2 arrived in an sos tube, not so good. Comms from seller were quite bad after money had been sent, think he was holding out for more money the bay which did not happen. It's a shame really. I will post the names of the first two shortly on this thread as he deals went very smoothly. On my phone on back door step. Sorry again to hear your problems please keep us updated in whatever you decide to do.
Very sad to hear that, some very nice art lovers out there and some not so nice. I have had 3 deals in last 4 weeks(4 prints) 2 arrived a1 other 2 arrived in an sos tube, not so good. Comms from seller were quite bad after money had been sent, think he was holding out for more money the bay which did not happen. It's a shame really. I will post the names of the first two shortly on this thread as he deals went very smoothly. On my phone on back door step. Sorry again to hear your problems please keep us updated in whatever you decide to do.
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dotdot
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by dotdot on May 27, 2012 13:16:40 GMT 1, keep us posted and, if you can... an open mind.
unreliability is known for existing then someone doesn't really want to do something.
happens not only in trades ...
keep us posted and, if you can... an open mind.
unreliability is known for existing then someone doesn't really want to do something.
happens not only in trades ...
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sfinks
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by sfinks on May 27, 2012 13:43:49 GMT 1, Reminds me. This week its the 6 months anniversary for when i purchased a print from a well known forum member. Still waiting.. Give me a trophy in patientsy.
Hope you sorts out your issue. Not many deals that go bad in this industry, but boring when it first does.
Reminds me. This week its the 6 months anniversary for when i purchased a print from a well known forum member. Still waiting.. Give me a trophy in patientsy.
Hope you sorts out your issue. Not many deals that go bad in this industry, but boring when it first does.
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Argiebaji
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Argiebaji on May 27, 2012 13:53:45 GMT 1, Yes tough luck Sixpac...a rare case as most of us on here (art collectors) have a well directed moral compass...
......just a thought...when one does a swap deal is it worth making an agreement with the other party to send each other the amount for the prints to each other through paypal accounts...?...and then if there is an issue you have some kind of cover....?
Yes tough luck Sixpac...a rare case as most of us on here (art collectors) have a well directed moral compass...
......just a thought...when one does a swap deal is it worth making an agreement with the other party to send each other the amount for the prints to each other through paypal accounts...?...and then if there is an issue you have some kind of cover....?
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Warm Gun
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Warm Gun on May 27, 2012 14:06:52 GMT 1, Reminds me. This week its the 6 months anniversary for when i purchased a print from a well known forum member. Still waiting.. Give me a trophy in patientsy.
Bye e'ck mate, that really takes the piss, think it's about time you got your money back.
Reminds me. This week its the 6 months anniversary for when i purchased a print from a well known forum member. Still waiting.. Give me a trophy in patientsy. Bye e'ck mate, that really takes the piss, think it's about time you got your money back.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by fingerz on May 27, 2012 15:09:59 GMT 1, spill the beans sfinks ....
spill the beans sfinks ....
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Layaway Days Art Blog on May 27, 2012 15:12:39 GMT 1, spill the beans sfinks ....
Agree with Fingerz, you need to protect the other collectors from experiencing the same. Maybe email the guy first and just let him know that his reputation may suffer and if nothing is resolved, I think warning others would be appropriate. Wish you all the best in getting this sorted and hope this doesn't dissuade you from the hobby/dealing with others as I think even with the negative Karma and bullshit that occurs here, most of us are pretty honorable and stand-up individuals
spill the beans sfinks .... Agree with Fingerz, you need to protect the other collectors from experiencing the same. Maybe email the guy first and just let him know that his reputation may suffer and if nothing is resolved, I think warning others would be appropriate. Wish you all the best in getting this sorted and hope this doesn't dissuade you from the hobby/dealing with others as I think even with the negative Karma and bullshit that occurs here, most of us are pretty honorable and stand-up individuals
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by fingerz on May 27, 2012 15:14:48 GMT 1, i hope it isnt some thing ive forgotten about ....... lol
i hope it isnt some thing ive forgotten about ....... lol
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sfinks
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by sfinks on May 27, 2012 15:30:12 GMT 1, Haha fingerz no I am a patient person, and i do make sure to warn others in private when i see they gets connected to this person. But he seems like a nice guy and it does not scare me away from this hobby itinidale, but i really appreciate your concerns. Before any beans are spilled, he will have the last word or 1 year will have to pass.
I still feel this forum is 100% safe and maybe the best place to learn/discuss/trade/buy art.
Haha fingerz no I am a patient person, and i do make sure to warn others in private when i see they gets connected to this person. But he seems like a nice guy and it does not scare me away from this hobby itinidale, but i really appreciate your concerns. Before any beans are spilled, he will have the last word or 1 year will have to pass. I still feel this forum is 100% safe and maybe the best place to learn/discuss/trade/buy art.
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Warm Gun
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Warm Gun on May 27, 2012 15:47:56 GMT 1, You shouldn't have to be kept wating a month let alone a year.
You shouldn't have to be kept wating a month let alone a year.
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iamzero
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by iamzero on May 27, 2012 16:13:26 GMT 1, Gotta name and shame to help out other members that could sell fall victim in my opinion. Sounds out of order to me from the story you've told.
Gotta name and shame to help out other members that could sell fall victim in my opinion. Sounds out of order to me from the story you've told.
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danmuppet
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by danmuppet on May 27, 2012 17:28:19 GMT 1, What ever happened to sixpac? Let us know and we will try to help!
What ever happened to sixpac? Let us know and we will try to help!
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RolexDave
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by RolexDave on May 27, 2012 19:07:36 GMT 1, Thanks for the comments! The person has got back in touch and has said, they did not know about tear marks on the back of the print (which I'm finding hard to believe as it would have been very noticeable when rolling the print for postage). I have asked that I want my print back as the one he sent was not mint as he described. He says he cannot as he has just sent the print for bespoke framing at a cost of รยฃ212 which he has paid for upfront!!!
He has asked for pictures of the damage (I am not home at the moment) but I will and will post on this forum tomorrow.
You can judge for yourselves, if I am out or order in being disatisfied with the damage or not, and then I will name the person.
It seems that I can't have the option of getting my print back, even though I have done nothing wrong.
Thanks for the comments! The person has got back in touch and has said, they did not know about tear marks on the back of the print (which I'm finding hard to believe as it would have been very noticeable when rolling the print for postage). I have asked that I want my print back as the one he sent was not mint as he described. He says he cannot as he has just sent the print for bespoke framing at a cost of รยฃ212 which he has paid for upfront!!!
He has asked for pictures of the damage (I am not home at the moment) but I will and will post on this forum tomorrow.
You can judge for yourselves, if I am out or order in being disatisfied with the damage or not, and then I will name the person.
It seems that I can't have the option of getting my print back, even though I have done nothing wrong.
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jonti
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by jonti on May 27, 2012 19:18:58 GMT 1, What a load of tosh. The frame will not have been ordered yet, or the glass.
He could easily ring the framers up and get the print back, and a refund. a reputable framer would have no problem with this I am sure (you probs have to pay the postage at the most)
What a load of tosh. The frame will not have been ordered yet, or the glass.
He could easily ring the framers up and get the print back, and a refund. a reputable framer would have no problem with this I am sure (you probs have to pay the postage at the most)
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poppa
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by poppa on May 27, 2012 19:40:02 GMT 1, Sounds like he's trying it on. Thats not your problem at all. At the end of the day, he led you to believe the print was mint and it isn't.
Sounds like he's trying it on. Thats not your problem at all. At the end of the day, he led you to believe the print was mint and it isn't.
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curiousgeorge
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by curiousgeorge on May 27, 2012 20:06:33 GMT 1, Going by what is posted you have been more than fair, also taking into account the crapola reply I would post his details up so others cant get stung
Frame is already ordered? Is really the reason for not putting things right?? Reads to me like my print is just fine and being framed, tough luck about yours!! That would have me paying him a visit
Going by what is posted you have been more than fair, also taking into account the crapola reply I would post his details up so others cant get stung
Frame is already ordered? Is really the reason for not putting things right?? Reads to me like my print is just fine and being framed, tough luck about yours!! That would have me paying him a visit
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Zippy
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Zippy on May 27, 2012 20:50:59 GMT 1, Agree with the posts above. Sixpac and sfinks please post forum names so others can be aware.
It's the sh1t side of collecting and to help others best to give name and details.
Agree with the posts above. Sixpac and sfinks please post forum names so others can be aware.
It's the sh1t side of collecting and to help others best to give name and details.
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naughtyshorty
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by naughtyshorty on May 27, 2012 21:41:54 GMT 1, His framing issues are irrelevant. Be firm and demand the return of your print. Good luck dude!
His framing issues are irrelevant. Be firm and demand the return of your print. Good luck dude!
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svenman
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by svenman on May 27, 2012 21:45:02 GMT 1, Thanks for the comments! The person has got back in touch and has said, they did not know about tear marks on the back of the print (which I'm finding hard to believe as it would have been very noticeable when rolling the print for postage). I have asked that I want my print back as the one he sent was not mint as he described. He says he cannot as he has just sent the print for bespoke framing at a cost of รยฃ212 which he has paid for upfront!!! He has asked for pictures of the damage (I am not home at the moment) but I will and will post on this forum tomorrow. You can judge for yourselves, if I am out or order in being disatisfied with the damage or not, and then I will name the person. It seems that I can't have the option of getting my print back, even though I have done nothing wrong.
i read this thread with interest and amusement in equal measure.
there is no need to 'name and shame' for zippy or iamzero, sixpac. i'll do that myself.
in the spirit of cooperation and disclosure i'll publish the last few email exchanges between me and sixpac. they do say that every story has 2 sides, and this one has been played out so wonderfully one sided so far, that maybe people will be interested to have a read for themselves before calling for my blood....
i bought the print on the secondary market and it has been in the portfolio since i had it. i was not aware of any damage. i checked the front of the print only. i have not ignored sixpac's emails - i responded the day after an email was sent to ask for the paypal receipt. i then received a very strangely worded email. i've requested pictures of the damage but have not seen them yet or had an email response from sixpac. i offered to pay for the damage to be repaired as a goodwill gesture. i've not refused to exchange the print. have simply said that i've already taken it to the framers and paid for framing. no mention of any of this is made above. this all happened before i was aware of this thread. what i also find strange is that sixpac also posted a wtb thtread for the same print as traded with me just after we did this trade agreement. this was the first and last trade i'll ever do.
anyway, here is the email thread. i've taken out personal information such as email addresses and sixpac's name etc. get the popcorn out sixpac. my offer of paying for the damage still stands.
hopefully no 'visits' will be needed to resolve the issue. i would have much preferred to keep this between sixpac and myself, but it seems that she has time to seek some one sided validation from the internet rather than acknowledge my emails currently. so i thought i'd do the same.
Thanks for the comments! The person has got back in touch and has said, they did not know about tear marks on the back of the print (which I'm finding hard to believe as it would have been very noticeable when rolling the print for postage). I have asked that I want my print back as the one he sent was not mint as he described. He says he cannot as he has just sent the print for bespoke framing at a cost of รยฃ212 which he has paid for upfront!!! He has asked for pictures of the damage (I am not home at the moment) but I will and will post on this forum tomorrow. You can judge for yourselves, if I am out or order in being disatisfied with the damage or not, and then I will name the person. It seems that I can't have the option of getting my print back, even though I have done nothing wrong. i read this thread with interest and amusement in equal measure. there is no need to 'name and shame' for zippy or iamzero, sixpac. i'll do that myself. in the spirit of cooperation and disclosure i'll publish the last few email exchanges between me and sixpac. they do say that every story has 2 sides, and this one has been played out so wonderfully one sided so far, that maybe people will be interested to have a read for themselves before calling for my blood.... i bought the print on the secondary market and it has been in the portfolio since i had it. i was not aware of any damage. i checked the front of the print only. i have not ignored sixpac's emails - i responded the day after an email was sent to ask for the paypal receipt. i then received a very strangely worded email. i've requested pictures of the damage but have not seen them yet or had an email response from sixpac. i offered to pay for the damage to be repaired as a goodwill gesture. i've not refused to exchange the print. have simply said that i've already taken it to the framers and paid for framing. no mention of any of this is made above. this all happened before i was aware of this thread. what i also find strange is that sixpac also posted a wtb thtread for the same print as traded with me just after we did this trade agreement. this was the first and last trade i'll ever do. anyway, here is the email thread. i've taken out personal information such as email addresses and sixpac's name etc. get the popcorn out sixpac. my offer of paying for the damage still stands. hopefully no 'visits' will be needed to resolve the issue. i would have much preferred to keep this between sixpac and myself, but it seems that she has time to seek some one sided validation from the internet rather than acknowledge my emails currently. so i thought i'd do the same.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Deleted on May 27, 2012 22:00:18 GMT 1, Thanks for the comments! The person has got back in touch and has said, they did not know about tear marks on the back of the print (which I'm finding hard to believe as it would have been very noticeable when rolling the print for postage). I have asked that I want my print back as the one he sent was not mint as he described. He says he cannot as he has just sent the print for bespoke framing at a cost of รยฃ212 which he has paid for upfront!!! He has asked for pictures of the damage (I am not home at the moment) but I will and will post on this forum tomorrow. You can judge for yourselves, if I am out or order in being disatisfied with the damage or not, and then I will name the person. It seems that I can't have the option of getting my print back, even though I have done nothing wrong.
Interested to see the pictures...
Thanks for the comments! The person has got back in touch and has said, they did not know about tear marks on the back of the print (which I'm finding hard to believe as it would have been very noticeable when rolling the print for postage). I have asked that I want my print back as the one he sent was not mint as he described. He says he cannot as he has just sent the print for bespoke framing at a cost of รยฃ212 which he has paid for upfront!!! He has asked for pictures of the damage (I am not home at the moment) but I will and will post on this forum tomorrow. You can judge for yourselves, if I am out or order in being disatisfied with the damage or not, and then I will name the person. It seems that I can't have the option of getting my print back, even though I have done nothing wrong. Interested to see the pictures...
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jonti
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by jonti on May 27, 2012 22:06:10 GMT 1, Apart from the fact that it took me 2 mails from the end to realise that the email exchange was pasted in reverse chronological order, I believe that Sven has been fairly amicable, if not a little slack in inspecting the print. Not only before this trade, but also the previous transaction. Fancy buying a print and not checking it out, ie looking at it.
Obviously a business transaction that purchase Sven.
Terry Tibbs would be proud of your work!
Apart from the fact that it took me 2 mails from the end to realise that the email exchange was pasted in reverse chronological order, I believe that Sven has been fairly amicable, if not a little slack in inspecting the print. Not only before this trade, but also the previous transaction. Fancy buying a print and not checking it out, ie looking at it.
Obviously a business transaction that purchase Sven.
Terry Tibbs would be proud of your work!
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Zippy
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by Zippy on May 27, 2012 22:11:14 GMT 1, Sven, you are quite correct in that there are 2 sides to every story.
It is a shame that after your genuine efforts to resolve issues privately it still had to be aired on the Internet.
Sixpac, you need to reply to Sven who has tried to resolve issues with you.
Sven, you are quite correct in that there are 2 sides to every story.
It is a shame that after your genuine efforts to resolve issues privately it still had to be aired on the Internet.
Sixpac, you need to reply to Sven who has tried to resolve issues with you.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by svenman on May 27, 2012 22:11:56 GMT 1, What can I say? I'm no detective obviously! The print looked fine from the front. As i said I'm genuinely unaware of any marks detrimental to the print and it's apparent flip value...
What can I say? I'm no detective obviously! The print looked fine from the front. As i said I'm genuinely unaware of any marks detrimental to the print and it's apparent flip value...
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iamzero
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by iamzero on May 27, 2012 22:16:10 GMT 1, Two sides to every story as you say fella but I don't remember calling for your blood. If the damage is as a as mentioned I can't see how you or anyone would have missed it. Probably just my own OCD but I check every inch of any piece I get back and front. Good luck both in the resolution.
Two sides to every story as you say fella but I don't remember calling for your blood. If the damage is as a as mentioned I can't see how you or anyone would have missed it. Probably just my own OCD but I check every inch of any piece I get back and front. Good luck both in the resolution.
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by freeview on May 27, 2012 22:41:42 GMT 1, What can I say? I'm no detective obviously! The print looked fine from the front. As i said I'm genuinely unaware of any marks detrimental to the print and it's apparent flip value...
Your defo out of order sending that print as mint if tape damaged and your a muppet for saying you didnt see it....
What can I say? I'm no detective obviously! The print looked fine from the front. As i said I'm genuinely unaware of any marks detrimental to the print and it's apparent flip value... Your defo out of order sending that print as mint if tape damaged and your a muppet for saying you didnt see it....
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iamzero
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What Can I do? Trade Gone Bad!, by iamzero on May 27, 2012 22:50:35 GMT 1, What can I say? I'm no detective obviously! The print looked fine from the front. As i said I'm genuinely unaware of any marks detrimental to the print and it's apparent flip value... Your defo out of order sending that print as mint if tape damaged and your a muppet for saying you didnt see it....
Haha quote of the day. I wouldn't be happy if I bought an item described as mint that turned out not to be so. I've lost count the amount if times Ive sent vinyl records back for the very same reason.
What can I say? I'm no detective obviously! The print looked fine from the front. As i said I'm genuinely unaware of any marks detrimental to the print and it's apparent flip value... Your defo out of order sending that print as mint if tape damaged and your a muppet for saying you didnt see it.... Haha quote of the day. I wouldn't be happy if I bought an item described as mint that turned out not to be so. I've lost count the amount if times Ive sent vinyl records back for the very same reason.
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