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Banksy in Kiev, Ukraine 🇺🇦, by met on Dec 3, 2022 2:50:02 GMT 1, I believe the theme for the paintings may be a Ukrainian Keep Calm and Carry On. It fits with the kids, acrobats, the lady with fire extinguisher and the man in the tub. All of them are continuing their lives but under new circumstances.
I agree with you hnkpnk. The lady on the chair took the time to put rollers in and is in a housecoat/dressing gown so not planning to rush off anywhere and is relaxed. She is on the chair to reach the window to put the fire out. The gymnast with neckbrace continues despite an injury and the handstand gymnast continues despite the very dangerous location.
Always a pleasure to read comments on subject matters I find engaging — where my own posts are prompted by genuine interest, rather than by some vague sense of duty I might feel towards fellow art enthusiasts.
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Leaving aside discrete references among the individual Ukrainian pieces (e.g. Putin's fondness for judo), I would slightly expand upon the idea of a shared theme of Keep Calm and Carry On:
For me, the works are homages to a national strength of character. A tribute to the resilience of Ukraine, along with its dogged determination to keep fighting. Against the odds. Against an invader who is far more powerful.
And within this context, the continuation by Ukrainians of their daily routines — regardless of the dramatic changes to their circumstances and immediate surroundings — is in itself political.
Mere pursuit of the quotidian becomes an act of resistance. A collective and collected fuck-you gesture of defiance.
Indeed, what these pieces arguably affirm is, "We will keep calm and carry on, until you, the enemy aggressor, are defeated."
I believe the theme for the paintings may be a Ukrainian Keep Calm and Carry On. It fits with the kids, acrobats, the lady with fire extinguisher and the man in the tub. All of them are continuing their lives but under new circumstances. I agree with you hnkpnk. The lady on the chair took the time to put rollers in and is in a housecoat/dressing gown so not planning to rush off anywhere and is relaxed. She is on the chair to reach the window to put the fire out. The gymnast with neckbrace continues despite an injury and the handstand gymnast continues despite the very dangerous location. Always a pleasure to read comments on subject matters I find engaging — where my own posts are prompted by genuine interest, rather than by some vague sense of duty I might feel towards fellow art enthusiasts. __________ Leaving aside discrete references among the individual Ukrainian pieces (e.g. Putin's fondness for judo), I would slightly expand upon the idea of a shared theme of Keep Calm and Carry On: For me, the works are homages to a national strength of character. A tribute to the resilience of Ukraine, along with its dogged determination to keep fighting. Against the odds. Against an inv ader who is far more powerful. And within this context, the continuation by Ukrainians of their daily routines — regardless of the dramatic changes to their circumstances and immediate surroundings — is in itself political. Mere pursuit of the quotidian becomes an act of resistance. A collective and collected fu ck-you gesture of defiance. Indeed, what these pieces arguably affirm is, "We will keep calm and carry on, until you, the enemy aggressor, are defeated."
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Banksy in Kiev, Ukraine 🇺🇦, by met on Dec 3, 2022 2:33:59 GMT 1, Let the speculation start! 😂 "BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05 Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ] Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom" www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903Does that stencil match up perfectly with the piece in Ukraine? I will let the self proclaimed knowledgeable ones answer 😂 A quick check on their sold items or their feedback tells you all you need to know
This type of straightforward due-diligence check is indeed helpful.
But it's also secondary, because what it serves to corroborate should already be evident, at least to anyone with a functional pair of eyes who bothered to examine a detailed photo of the Banksy mural in Borodyanka. And even among the visually impaired, to anyone with common sense.
Zero proper knowledge is therefore actually required to conclude that the eBay stencil is a counterfeit listed by some scammer under the username, lizzie.bee.123.
There might well have been complicit shill bidders who participated in the auction. Or, if we're lucky, a saboteur who placed a stupidly-high winning bid to protect others from themselves.
Sadly, however, what we still have among the remaining eBay bidders are fools. Including those who may have been blinkered by wishful thinking, FOMO and/or greed.
If the sale completes and money changes hands, £2,250.00 plus postage will, for the buyer, turn into an expensive lesson. Regrettable, given one could have hoped that its teaching ("Lesson 1: Don't be a dupe.") would be unnecessary.
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As a separate aside, the emphasis this message board places on eBay is unfortunate in my opinion.
But if anyone feels that a particular eBay sale is significant and really does merit being discussed, I would once again* encourage them to post both the link and a screenshot.
Since completed listings are generally taken down by eBay after three months, hyperlinks to eBay auctions quickly become dead links. Making the effort of adding one or two screenshots thus helps to ensure the relevant post (or even the entire thread) can remain informative for years to come.
Please also identify and type the name or username of any dishonest seller into your post, so they have a chance of later popping up as red flags in Google-search results.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BANKSY-original-STENCIL-ukraine-/275554288903
Fake stencil listing (eBay item no. 275554288903) by lizzie.bee.123, possibly based in Birmingham, UK
Bidding history for the fake stencil
Seller feedback for lizzie.bee.123
9 September 2022 sale by lizzie.bee.123 of a "Banksy Helicopter"
Let the speculation start! 😂 "BANKSY original STENCIL ukraine Time left: 4d 11h|Saturday, 00:05 Current bid: £48.00[ 9 bids ] Located in: Birmingham, United Kingdom" www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275554288903Does that stencil match up perfectly with the piece in Ukraine? I will let the self proclaimed knowledgeable ones answer 😂 A quick check on their sold items or their feedback tells you all you need to knowThis type of straightforward due-diligence check is indeed helpful. But it's also secondary, because what it serves to corroborate should already be evident, at least to anyone with a functional pair of eyes who bothered to examine a detailed photo of the Ban ksy mural in Borodyanka. And even among the visually impaired, to anyone with common sense. Zero proper knowledge is therefore actually required to conclude that the eB ay stencil is a counterfeit listed by some scammer under the username, lizzie.bee.123. There might well have been complicit shill bidders who participated in the auction. Or, if we're lucky, a saboteur who placed a stupidly-high winning bid to protect others from themselves. Sadly, however, what we still have among the remaining eBay bidders are fools. Including those who may have been blinkered by wishful thinking, FOMO and/or greed. If the sale completes and money changes hands, £2,250.00 plus postage will, for the buyer, turn into an expensive lesson. Regrettable, given one could have hoped that its teaching ( "Lesson 1: Don't be a dupe.") would be unnecessary. __________ As a separate aside, the emphasis this message board places on eB ay is unfortunate in my opinion. But if anyone feels that a particular eB ay sale is significant and really does merit being discussed, I would once again * encourage them to post both the link and a screenshot. Since completed listings are generally taken down by eBay after three months, hyperlinks to eB ay auctions quickly become dead links. Making the effort of adding one or two screenshots thus helps to ensure the relevant post (or even the entire thread) can remain informative for years to come. Please also identify and type the name or username of any dishonest seller into your post, so they have a chance of later popping up as red flags in Google-search results. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BANKSY-original-STENCIL-ukraine-/275554288903Fake stencil listing (eB ay item no. 275554288903) by lizzie.bee.123, possibly based in Birmingham, UK Bidding history for the fake stencil Seller feedback for lizzie.bee.123 9 September 2022 sale by lizzie.bee.123 of a "Banksy Helicopter"
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Banksy on VeVe, by met on Nov 23, 2022 2:04:16 GMT 1, Thank you, met. You might have noticed I liked all those Tweets as well. We actually had a fruitful discussion with above mentioned Sam Ellis. It appeared many agreed this was not a direction VeVe should take, but that was 60 people in a virtual room from a community of 500,000 VeVe Fam. VeVe does listen to their community, so I still have faith we can change their minds and reconsider this. VeVe is all about supporting artists, so going against an artists wishes is not the way to go. I'll keep you posted. If you could eloborate why Banksy wouldn't release NFT's on his own.Perhaps if he could find a clever way to deliver his message digitally and raise money for his charities doing so. It's just another way medium for art. NFT's do have the ability to keep generating income for an artist/cause, since you can establish royalties with every sale and resale. Perpetual income for charity.
A quick acknowledgement of your above request for elaboration.
In my own head, the issue is an obvious one, but a little tricky to articulate in writing. Will give it further thought over the next few days and see if I can express myself with greater precision.
Besides specific examples of Banksy's modus operandi and decision-making, his artistic sensibilities and general countercultural style are relevant here. The latter may be difficult to explain clearly, so I would probably have to rely on analogies by way of illustration.
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In the meantime, some matters for VeVe to consider (partly repetitive of points already raised by @nowaysrx):
1. A key aspect is that Banksy would never have anything to do with Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black Ltd ("FCB"), regardless of the trading name being used or hidden behind — whether it's the stolen "Brandalism" moniker, the modified "Brandalised" name, or whatnot.
2. Following naturally from point 1 are questions for the decision-makers at VeVe:
(i) Do they want to use Banksy imagery against the artist's wishes? From a corporate-policy and personal-ethics standpoint, are they comfortable with upsetting the artist and possibly infringing his intellectual property rights (regardless of the fact he may, for a variety of reasons, choose not to enforce his rights)?
In other words, are the decision-makers at VeVe okay with screwing over an artist, one whose work they are presumably fans of? And perhaps more importantly, are they okay with being seen to be screwing over an artist?
Is this a line they really want to cross, a precedent they wish to set for their company and for themselves as private individuals?
(ii) Morality aside, from a strictly business perspective, would the immediate financial gain and momentum generated by a faux-Banksy NFT be worth what may become a longer-term, reputational stain for VeVe — including from the potential fall-out, both among members of the wider artistic community (plenty with whom VeVe may seek to enter into future collaborations) and among the general public?
(iii) If all the answers to the questions in (i) and (ii) above are "Yes!", that would be unfortunate. But then what exactly would FCB / Brandalism / Brandalised be bringing to the table?
Commercially or legally, why would VeVe even need to partner itself with FCB?
Andrew Gallagher, owner of FCB, came into possession of images by Banksy, Photoshopped versions of which Gallagher now sells to hoodwinked businesses for substantial sums of cash, by downloading / stealing the images from publicly-accessible online sources. Google Images was his best friend.
So why would VeVe bother paying FCB for Banksy images under some random licensing agreement?
If VeVe is cool about becoming an intellectual property thief, it could just go online and steal similar or even better Banksy images directly, including from Banksy's own website.
Under such circumstances, Full Colour Black Ltd becomes a redundant business partner — an unnecessary intermediary in the IP-appropriation dishonesty, and a genuine waste of VeVe's money.
Thank you, met. You might have noticed I liked all those Tweets as well. We actually had a fruitful discussion with above mentioned Sam Ellis. It appeared many agreed this was not a direction VeVe should take, but that was 60 people in a virtual room from a community of 500,000 VeVe Fam. VeVe does listen to their community, so I still have faith we can change their minds and reconsider this. VeVe is all about supporting artists, so going against an artists wishes is not the way to go. I'll keep you posted. If you could eloborate why Banksy wouldn't release NFT's on his own.Perhaps if he could find a clever way to deliver his message digitally and raise money for his charities doing so. It's just another way medium for art. NFT's do have the ability to keep generating income for an artist/cause, since you can establish royalties with every sale and resale. Perpetual income for charity. A quick acknowledgement of your above request for elaboration. In my own head, the issue is an obvious one, but a little tricky to articulate in writing. Will give it further thought over the next few days and see if I can express myself with greater precision. Besides specific examples of Ban ksy's modus operandi and decision-making, his artistic sensibilities and general countercultural style are relevant here. The latter may be difficult to explain clearly, so I would probably have to rely on analogies by way of illustration. __________ In the meantime, some matters for VeVe to consider (partly repetitive of points already raised by @nowaysrx): 1. A key aspect is that Ban ksy would never have anything to do with Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black Ltd (" FCB"), regardless of the trading name being used or hidden behind — whether it's the stolen "Brandalism" moniker, the modified "Brandalised" name, or whatnot. 2. Following naturally from point 1 are questions for the decision-makers at VeVe: (i) Do they want to use Ban ksy imagery against the artist's wishes? From a corporate-policy and personal-ethics standpoint, are they comfortable with upsetting the artist and possibly infringing his intellectual property rights (regardless of the fact he may, for a variety of reasons, choose not to enforce his rights)? In other words, are the decision-makers at VeVe okay with screwing over an artist, one whose work they are presumably fans of? And perhaps more importantly, are they okay with being seen to be screwing over an artist? Is this a line they really want to cross, a precedent they wish to set for their company and for themselves as private individuals? (ii) Morality aside, from a strictly business perspective, would the immediate financial gain and momentum generated by a faux-Banksy NFT be worth what may become a longer-term, reputational stain for VeVe — including from the potential fall-out, both among members of the wider artistic community (plenty with whom VeVe may seek to enter into future collaborations) and among the general public? (iii) If all the answers to the questions in (i) and (ii) above are "Yes!", that would be unfortunate. But then what exactly would FCB / Brandalism / Brandalised be bringing to the table? Commercially or legally, why would VeVe even need to partner itself with FCB? Andrew Gallagher, owner of FCB, came into possession of images by Ban ksy, Photoshopped versions of which Gallagher now sells to hoodwinked businesses for substantial sums of cash, by downloading / stealing the images from publicly-accessible online sources. Google Images was his best friend. So why would VeVe bother paying FCB for Ban ksy images under some random licensing agreement? If VeVe is cool about becoming an intellectual property thief, it could just go online and steal similar or even better Ban ksy images directly, including from Ban ksy's own website. Under such circumstances, Full Colour Black Ltd becomes a redundant business partner — an unnecessary intermediary in the IP-appropriation dishonesty, and a genuine waste of VeVe's money.
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Mason Storm 🇬🇧 New Print Release • Who is Mason Storm?, by met on Nov 22, 2022 16:44:36 GMT 1, Now removed. Apologies to OP. Now removed. Apologies to OP. Now removed. Apologies to OP. Now removed. Apologies to OP. Thank you ! You are a gent. I will removed mine too, but you will have to remove yours ( 2 posts ) ... A bit complicated this morning ahaha ! don't quote me again or this story will never ends !
Just for the sake of conversation, my own position would be diametrically opposite.
I consider it regrettable that @babooski felt the need to delete their initial post.
All threads are invitations for good-faith comments and the exchange of competing viewpoints.
Critique is essential if our objective is to encourage each other to actually think about art, and to remind ourselves to keep asking the most basic questions.
Examples:
(i) Why exactly do I like this piece?
[Or, if the reasons are different, Why do I want to own this piece?]
(ii) What are the artwork's strengths, and what are its weaknesses?
(iii) Is the art / artist actually any good?
(iv) Am I perhaps buying with my ears rather than my eyes, and therefore behaving like a lemming? To what extent is my desire to acquire this piece being influenced by what other people are buying (or appearing to buy)?
Now, these types of queries are most relevant and urgent on a sales thread, far more so than elsewhere.
The suggestion that it's only acceptable to offer praise on a sales thread, and inappropriate for members to share genuinely-held (as opposed to disingenuous) unfavourable opinions about the art or artist, amounts to prioritising commerce over critical thinking and debate.
And on an art-based message board, I would say that is unfortunate. It places the financial concerns of a single seller over the higher interests of the forum generally.
Especially with respect to art that is derivative or otherwise poor, it would seem preferable to get potential buyers to think twice, rather than (through silence) allowing them to repeat mistakes the seller may already have made — mistakes that seller might now be trying to offload onto others here who are less thoughtful or less informed.
Members already know their sales threads are fair game for discussion. And that, in addition to random plaudits, the possibility of a few negative comments simply comes with the territory of selling art on a public forum. If any seller is so thin-skinned that they become defensive, shrill or passive-aggressive at the first sign of their items getting panned, they always have the option of choosing alternative platforms like eBay — where they can pay selling fees in exchange for the luxury of zero commentary.
Now removed. Apologies to OP. Now removed. Apologies to OP. Now removed. Apologies to OP. Now removed. Apologies to OP. Thank you ! You are a gent. I will removed mine too, but you will have to remove yours ( 2 posts ) ... A bit complicated this morning ahaha ! don't quote me again or this story will never ends ! Just for the sake of conversation, my own position would be diametrically opposite. I consider it regrettable that @babooski felt the need to delete their initial post. All threads are invitations for good-faith comments and the exchange of competing viewpoints. Critique is essential if our objective is to encourage each other to actually think about art, and to remind ourselves to keep asking the most basic questions. Examples: (i) Why exactly do I like this piece? [Or, if the reasons are different, Why do I want to own this piece?] (ii) What are the artwork's strengths, and what are its weaknesses?(iii) Is the art / artist actually any good?(iv) Am I perhaps buying with my ears rather than my eyes, and therefore behaving like a lemming? To what extent is my desire to acquire this piece being influenced by what other people are buying (or appearing to buy)?Now, these types of queries are most relevant and urgent on a sales thread, far more so than elsewhere. The suggestion that it's only acceptable to offer praise on a sales thread, and inappropriate for members to share genuinely-held (as opposed to disingenuous) unfavourable opinions about the art or artist, amounts to prioritising commerce over critical thinking and debate. And on an art-based message board, I would say that is unfortunate. It places the financial concerns of a single seller over the higher interests of the forum generally. Especially with respect to art that is derivative or otherwise poor, it would seem preferable to get potential buyers to think twice, rather than (through silence) allowing them to repeat mistakes the seller may already have made — mistakes that seller might now be trying to offload onto others here who are less thoughtful or less informed. Members already know their sales threads are fair game for discussion. And that, in addition to random plaudits, the possibility of a few negative comments simply comes with the territory of selling art on a public forum. If any seller is so thin-skinned that they become defensive, shrill or passive-aggressive at the first sign of their items getting panned, they always have the option of choosing alternative platforms like eB ay — where they can pay selling fees in exchange for the luxury of zero commentary.
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Banksy on VeVe, by met on Nov 20, 2022 23:58:42 GMT 1, VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers
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I previously didn't bother commenting on the NFTs, because at the time it seemed unnecessary on this forum, like preaching to the choir.
But in hindsight, that may have been an error on my part.
If you are able to get some Banksy-novice VeVe members to read this thread, I've set out a few thoughts below.
What follows is of course just one person's views and perspective, though I suspect it will in large part be shared by many other informed Banksy enthusiasts.
1. "Banksy" NFTs
Anyone who believes Banksy would have anything to do with NFTs has little knowledge or understanding of how Banksy operates, or where his interests and priorities lie — as evidenced by the artist's body of work and projects, as well as the causes he openly supports.
That individual would be kidding themselves, simply believing what they want to believe. In other words, they'd be a victim of their own wishful thinking.
Cf. self-delusion, confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, rationalisation.
2. "Banksy" x Brandalism / Brandalised / Full Colour Black Ltd*
Anyone who believes Banksy would have anything to do with the parasite business that is Brandalism / Brandalised / Full Colour Black Ltd (as opposed to Brandalism proper, i.e. Brandalism.ch, the anti-advertising movement) has little knowledge or understanding of how Banksy operates, where his interests and priorities lie, or the litigious history that exists between him and that company.
3. Third-party use of Banksy imagery
Anyone who believes Banksy is, without qualification, okay about people, commercial brands and corporations stealing his imagery, because "Copyright is for losers", is failing to consider the multiple times the artist has made very clear distinctions (on his website and in comments to the press) between:
(i) non-commercial, personal use of his images (advance consent given = fine); and
(ii) unauthorised commercial use of his images (artistic theft = not fine).
4. Banksy's frequent non-enforcement of his IP rights
Anyone who believes that, if Banksy really were bothered about corporations stealing and profiting off of his images (and quite often misleading the public into believing that such commercial use was sanctioned), he would do something to stop it, probably has little or no understanding of:
(i) the artist's desire to remain anonymous;
(ii) the artist's desire to prioritise his profession and quality of life over a myriad of drawn-out legal battles — the act of creating being a far more fulfilling way to spend one's limited time on earth; and
(iii) intellectual property law, including, in terms of purposes and parameters, the basic but crucial differences between copyright and trademark — and the requirements that must be satisfied to protect either of these sets of rights (the enforcement of an artist's copyright, for example, being incompatible with the retention of their anonymity).
5. "Banksy" NFT hypesters
Anyone promoting "Banksy" NFTs is quite likely to fall within one of two categories of individuals:
(i) the ignorant; or
(ii) the cynical — Specifically, those who know the NFTs have nothing to do with Banksy, but are nevertheless looking to push the false narrative of there being some connection with the artist — presumably to help create a market of fools and dupes, onto which they'll be able to offload at a profit.
CONCLUSION
The sale of "Banksy" NFTs is a car crash waiting to happen: Tears for most; dirty earnings for the corrupt, scamming few.
Yet it is all so foreseeable, so predictable, that it ceases to be interesting.
For spectators, the absence of any potential surprise element means that waiting around for the actual crash itself hardly feels worthwhile. There are better-quality rubbernecking opportunities elsewhere.
VeVe just announced Banksy Brandalism NFT's Not sure if Banksy himself is actually involved in this. Didn't think those Brandalism statues are considered "real Banksy's ". I have been telling people Banksy on VeVe will NEVER happen. So I'm in for a rough week.... LOL Cheers Dive JediI previously didn't bother commenting on the NFTs, because at the time it seemed unnecessary on this forum, like preaching to the choir. But in hindsight, that may have been an error on my part. If you are able to get some Ban ksy-novice VeVe members to read this thread, I've set out a few thoughts below. What follows is of course just one person's views and perspective, though I suspect it will in large part be shared by many other informed Ban ksy enthusiasts. 1. "Banksy" NFTsAnyone who believes Ban ksy would have anything to do with NFTs has little knowledge or understanding of how Ban ksy operates, or where his interests and priorities lie — as evidenced by the artist's body of work and projects, as well as the causes he openly supports. That individual would be kidding themselves, simply believing what they want to believe. In other words, they'd be a victim of their own wishful thinking. Cf. self-delusion, confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, rationalisation. 2. "Banksy" x Brandalism / Brandalised / Full Colour Black Ltd*Anyone who believes Ban ksy would have anything to do with the parasite business that is Brandalism / Brandalised / Full Colour Black Ltd (as opposed to Brandalism proper, i.e. Brandalism.ch, the anti-advertising movement) has little knowledge or understanding of how Ban ksy operates, where his interests and priorities lie, or the litigious history that exists between him and that company. 3. Third-party use of Banksy imageryAnyone who believes Ban ksy is, without qualification, okay about people, commercial brands and corporations stealing his imagery, because "Copyright is for losers", is failing to consider the multiple times the artist has made very clear distinctions (on his website and in comments to the press) between: (i) non-commercial, personal use of his images (advance consent given = fine); and (ii) unauthorised commercial use of his images (artistic theft = not fine). 4. Banksy's frequent non-enforcement of his IP rightsAnyone who believes that, if Ban ksy really were bothered about corporations stealing and profiting off of his images (and quite often misleading the public into believing that such commercial use was sanctioned), he would do something to stop it, probably has little or no understanding of: (i) the artist's desire to remain anonymous; (ii) the artist's desire to prioritise his profession and quality of life over a myriad of drawn-out legal battles — the act of creating being a far more fulfilling way to spend one's limited time on earth; and (iii) intellectual property law, including, in terms of purposes and parameters, the basic but crucial differences between copyright and trademark — and the requirements that must be satisfied to protect either of these sets of rights (the enforcement of an artist's copyright, for example, being incompatible with the retention of their anonymity). 5. "Banksy" NFT hypestersAnyone promoting "Ban ksy" NFTs is quite likely to fall within one of two categories of individuals: (i) the ignorant; or (ii) the cynical — Specifically, those who know the NFTs have nothing to do with Ban ksy, but are nevertheless looking to push the false narrative of there being some connection with the artist — presumably to help create a market of fools and dupes, onto which they'll be able to offload at a profit. CONCLUSIONThe sale of "Ban ksy" NFTs is a car crash waiting to happen: Tears for most; dirty earnings for the corrupt, scamming few. Yet it is all so foreseeable, so predictable, that it ceases to be interesting. For spectators, the absence of any potential surprise element means that waiting around for the actual crash itself hardly feels worthwhile. There are better-quality rubbernecking opportunities elsewhere.
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Banksy on VeVe, by met on Nov 20, 2022 17:00:10 GMT 1, I agree with you on all of that Met. I was just pointing out the distinction between Brandalism and Brandalised given both had been mentioned interchangeably earlier in the thread
No worries.
What is also most unfortunate and unhelpful is that the actions of Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black have ensured Brandalism ≠ Brandalism.
One is venal, exploitative, profitmaking.
The other (its namesake forebearer) is the exact opposite.
I agree with you on all of that Met. I was just pointing out the distinction between Brandalism and Brandalised given both had been mentioned interchangeably earlier in the thread No worries. What is also most unfortunate and unhelpful is that the actions of Andrew Gallagher / Full Colour Black have ensured Brandalism ≠ Brandalism. One is venal, exploitative, profitmaking. The other (its namesake forebearer) is the exact opposite.
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Banksy on VeVe, by met on Nov 20, 2022 16:14:38 GMT 1,
Please, let us not add to the confusion that already exists.
All of us need to use our brains here, to think things through.
We need to ask ourselves, "What would make sense? What would be logical (as opposed to illogical)?"
1. Brandalism proper, i.e. Brandalism.ch* is an anti-advertising movement.
It is legitimate, with integrity. And its interventions are definitely worth paying attention to.
2. Brandalised is the parasite Full Colour Black.
Moreover, any commercial, mercantile, profit-oriented entity selling Banksy knock-offs under the cynically-appropriated Brandalism name is also Full Colour Black.
Seriously now, does anyone really believe that Brandalism proper (Brandalism.ch) or Banksy himself would ever wish to be associated with any of the Brandalism-Medicom junk below?
Please, let us not add to the confusion that already exists. All of us need to use our brains here, to think things through. We need to ask ourselves, "What would make sense? What would be logical (as opposed to illogical)?"1. Brandalism proper, i.e. Brandalism.ch* is an anti-advertising movement. It is legitimate, with integrity. And its interventions are definitely worth paying attention to. 2. Brandalised is the parasite Full Colour Black. Moreover, any commercial, mercantile, profit-oriented entity selling Ban ksy knock-offs under the cynically-appropriated Brandalism name is also Full Colour Black. Seriously now, does anyone really believe that Brandalism proper (Brandalism.ch) or Ban ksy himself would ever wish to be associated with any of the Brandalism-Medicom junk below?
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Mason Storm 🇬🇧 New Print Release • Who is Mason Storm?, by met on Nov 19, 2022 19:56:11 GMT 1, There's no doubting his technical ability that's for sure. Maker up the 15 words now Other members have previously posted similar statements on this forum about Mason Storm. So I am curious as to what you mean, specifically, when referring to his "technical ability". Is this comment based on some belief that the oils on canvas Storm applies his name to have actually been painted by him, by his own hand? If so, I would argue you are making an unsafe assumption, allowing yourself (much too easily, in my view) to be fooled by a chancer. One who is talent-free, artistically. Yet admittedly rather gifted, as a coattail-riding parasite. And at duping and ripping off other people, including a number of collectors as well as art-world professionals. Evening Met, I don't pretend to know anything about mason Storm, no reason for me to spend time learning anything about him, I don't focus on much aside from what's useful to me, so yes I made the kneejerk assumption the person claiming to have painted the picture actually did. As you've went to the trouble to highlight this I'm interested enough to know more, is someone else painting them, what? I had a further look and in hindsight it could be argued there's a painted in China element to them.
And a good evening to you, @castlegalleryltd. Cheers for the reply.
Since I myself always aspire to being unflappable, other individuals who remain calm under fire will often command my immediate (sometimes begrudging) respect.
It may necessitate a few months but, at some point in the future, I'll do a lengthy case study on the charlatan that is Mason Storm.
This will include a straightforward and hopefully bulletproof explanation as to why, objectively, it is ridiculous to believe Storm has any direct connection with Banksy or had anything whatsoever to do with the painting of Question Time / Monkey Parliament / Devolved Parliament.
Sorry to put the matter annoyingly on hold for the time being.
It is one that requires the collating of persuasive evidence. As well as a proper, thoughtful response. And thinking now takes me far longer than it used to.
There's no doubting his technical ability that's for sure. Maker up the 15 words now Other members have previously posted similar statements on this forum about Mason Storm. So I am curious as to what you mean, specifically, when referring to his "technical ability". Is this comment based on some belief that the oils on canvas Storm applies his name to have actually been painted by him, by his own hand? If so, I would argue you are making an unsafe assumption, allowing yourself (much too easily, in my view) to be fooled by a chancer. One who is talent-free, artistically. Yet admittedly rather gifted, as a coattail-riding parasite. And at duping and ripping off other people, including a number of collectors as well as art-world professionals. Evening Met, I don't pretend to know anything about mason Storm, no reason for me to spend time learning anything about him, I don't focus on much aside from what's useful to me, so yes I made the kneejerk assumption the person claiming to have painted the picture actually did. As you've went to the trouble to highlight this I'm interested enough to know more, is someone else painting them, what? I had a further look and in hindsight it could be argued there's a painted in China element to them. And a good evening to you, @castlegalleryltd. Cheers for the reply. Since I myself always aspire to being unflappable, other individuals who remain calm under fire will often command my immediate (sometimes begrudging) respect. It may necessitate a few months but, at some point in the future, I'll do a lengthy case study on the charlatan that is Mason Storm. This will include a straightforward and hopefully bulletproof explanation as to why, objectively, it is ridiculous to believe Storm has any direct connection with Ban ksy or had anything whatsoever to do with the painting of Question Time / Monkey Parliament / Devolved Parliament. Sorry to put the matter annoyingly on hold for the time being. It is one that requires the collating of persuasive evidence. As well as a proper, thoughtful response. And thinking now takes me far longer than it used to.
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Mason Storm 🇬🇧 New Print Release • Who is Mason Storm?, by met on Nov 19, 2022 18:41:21 GMT 1, Another interesting piece from Mason Storm. Feels like he has a crowd of followers and collectors that keep a low profile 😉 people who appreciate his art, but don't feel they need to boast about it, to keep his values up. https://www.instagram.com/p/Ck56TOyoWs3 There's no doubting his technical ability that's for sure. Maker up the 15 words now
Other members have previously posted similar statements on this forum about Mason Storm.
So I am curious as to what you mean, specifically, when referring to his "technical ability".
Is this comment based on some belief that the oils on canvas Storm applies his name to have actually been painted by him, by his own hand?
If so, I would argue you are making an unsafe assumption, allowing yourself (much too easily, in my view) to be fooled by a chancer. One who is talent-free, artistically. Yet admittedly rather gifted, as a coattail-riding parasite. And at duping and ripping off other people, including a number of collectors as well as art-world professionals.
Another interesting piece from Mason Storm. Feels like he has a crowd of followers and collectors that keep a low profile 😉 people who appreciate his art, but don't feel they need to boast about it, to keep his values up. https://www.instagram.com/p/Ck56TOyoWs3 There's no doubting his technical ability that's for sure. Maker up the 15 words now Other members have previously posted similar statements on this forum about Mason Storm. So I am curious as to what you mean, specifically, when referring to his "technical ability". Is this comment based on some belief that the oils on canvas Storm applies his name to have actually been painted by him, by his own hand? If so, I would argue you are making an unsafe assumption, allowing yourself (much too easily, in my view) to be fooled by a chancer. One who is talent-free, artistically. Yet admittedly rather gifted, as a coattail-riding parasite. And at duping and ripping off other people, including a number of collectors as well as art-world professionals.
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Banksy • GUESS Clothing, by met on Nov 19, 2022 4:54:12 GMT 1, http://instagr.am/p/ClG1eHVNRu-
IncWel
Are you a member or reader of this message board?
Your legal position here seems ironclad and impregnable.
If willing to consider foregoing your anonymity, I would advise instructing a hardcore IP lawyer as a matter of priority.
Borrow money for the initial solicitor's consultation if you have to. Or, given the unique confluence of interests with Banksy and Pest Control Office, it may be that Mark Stephens* is able to secure a litigation bulldog for you on a pro bono or heavily-subsidised basis.
Your Still Sane image featuring Elizabeth II is being used and sold worldwide without your consent. That includes by GUESS France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Poland, Czech Republic, Sweden, Norway, etc.
Even by GUESS Russia:
And so, we aren't just talking about a claim for significant intellectual property infringement and damages, but possibly also for reputational damage.
Enforce your copyright. Take GUESS to the cleaners, in a proper David-versus-Goliath battle.
You may as well go after Urban Outfitters also — and any other retailers that are selling or have sold items from this GUESS x Brandalised collection of apparel and bags.
I believe there is potentially a six-figure sum that awaits. Perhaps even a notable legal precedent, if the matter actually goes to court.
In any event, it should result in an aptly-expensive lesson (including from a branding and public relations perspective) for a presumptuous and brazen-faced multinational corporation.
IncWel – You have all the weapons you need. Now fight!
http://instagr.am/p/ClG1eHVNRu- IncWelAre you a member or reader of this message board? Your legal position here seems ironclad and impregnable. If willing to consider foregoing your anonymity, I would advise instructing a hardcore IP lawyer as a matter of priority. Borrow money for the initial solicitor's consultation if you have to. Or, given the unique confluence of interests with Ban ksy and Pest Control Office, it may be that Mark Stephens* is able to secure a litigation bulldog for you on a pro bono or heavily-subsidised basis. Your Still Sane image featuring Elizabeth II is being used and sold worldwide without your consent. That includes by GUESS France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Poland, Czech Republic, Sweden, Norway, etc. Even by GUESS Russia: And so, we aren't just talking about a claim for significant intellectual property infringement and damages, but possibly also for reputational damage. Enforce your copyright. Take GUESS to the cleaners, in a proper David-versus-Goliath battle. You may as well go after Urban Outfitters also — and any other retailers that are selling or have sold items from this GUESS x Brandalised collection of apparel and bags. I believe there is potentially a six-figure sum that awaits. Perhaps even a notable legal precedent, if the matter actually goes to court. In any event, it should result in an aptly-expensive lesson (including from a branding and public relations perspective) for a presumptuous and brazen-faced multinational corporation. IncWel – You have all the weapons you need. Now fight!
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Banksy • GUESS Clothing, by met on Nov 19, 2022 3:16:04 GMT 1, The fact that Full Colour Black aka 'brandalised' are stealing images from other artists (Incwel) attributing them to Banksy and then 'licensing' them to retailers such as Guess shows how incompetent Full Colour Black really are. If anything this is definitive proof that Full Colour Black have no right legally or morally to sell 'Banksy licenses'. They clearly can’t tell their arse from their elbow.
While appreciating and sympathising with the point you're making, I would disagree. Because it conflates two separate issues.
Whether we're discussing the level of competence and knowledge of a business, or of its incompetence and cluelessness, these have nothing to do with that business's legal or moral rights on intellectual property / copyright matters.
I trust my pedantry here will be forgiven.
The fact that Full Colour Black aka 'brandalised' are stealing images from other artists (Incwel) attributing them to Banksy and then 'licensing' them to retailers such as Guess shows how incompetent Full Colour Black really are. If anything this is definitive proof that Full Colour Black have no right legally or morally to sell 'Banksy licenses'. They clearly can’t tell their arse from their elbow. While appreciating and sympathising with the point you're making, I would disagree. Because it conflates two separate issues. Whether we're discussing the level of competence and knowledge of a business, or of its incompetence and cluelessness, these have nothing to do with that business's legal or moral rights on intellectual property / copyright matters. I trust my pedantry here will be forgiven.
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Banksy • GUESS Clothing, by met on Nov 18, 2022 21:49:10 GMT 1,
"Guess has unveiled a capsule collection for autumn/winter 2022 using iconic motifs from Banksy’s graffiti. The collection was created in partnership with Brandalised, which has the urban graffiti license to offer Banksy fans affordable graffiti collectables. The capsule features contemporary garments along with unique accessories, including T-shirts, sweatshirts, dresses, denim, socks, coats and hats. Each piece mixes Banksy’s graffiti with “Guess attitude,” explains the brand in the press release. Mixing contemporary style with vintage wash finishes, faux fur, ribbed cuffs and Guess logo detailing in a colour palette of light acid green, stone, red, pink and blue." fashionunited.uk/news/fashion/guess-unveils-collection-with-graffiti-by-banksy/2022110366035
Love it. Although what on earth is an "urban graffiti licence"?
Presumably, the contract with Brandalised was reviewed and negotiated by a lawyer or group of lawyers (in-house and/or external) acting for GUESS.
But if a modicum of due diligence had been completed, regarding the use on its clothing range of Banksy images nicked from the internet, GUESS would have realised that entering into a licencing agreement with John Doe from Huddersfield would have had equal legal validity.
And it would likely have cost GUESS about 99% less than what the company will have handed over to Brandalised for the same privilege.
After a year Banksy it’s more active then I thought. Trange to see him react to something that sell things using him image/ name without authorisation, this happens every days
While this type of theft may happen every day, it rarely does so involving such a high-profile protagonist. GUESS is a multinational retailer, apparently with around 1,600 shops globally.
Under these circumstances, a jocular public call-out by Banksy seems a legitimate and not-inappropriate response.
I'm guessing that guess just probably paid well over £1M to 'Brandalised' for a license they don’t even own.. Who's going to inform Guess that they have just been scammed?
Imagine being part of the team of employees and decision-makers at GUESS who were directly involved in this project. And what their respective weekends are now looking like.
Roll up to the party lookin slick wearing one of BANKSY's most iconic images:
Excellent. Thank you for posting.
Let's hope they also have a sweatshirt with my favourite Banksy image: the panda with handguns.
How many followers does Banksy have on Instagram? I suspect Guess are over the moon Banksy has posted about it 😆 Perfect viral marketing! Extra Christmas bonus coming for the Guess Marketing Team 👏🏻 This is great marketing by Banksy and Guess. I agree wholeheartedly that Banksy’s post is a brilliant advertisement for Guess clothing and I would think it now sells out and I am suspicious of why now when Banksy is being sold everywhere. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Copyright is for Losers 😂
It is not great marketing for GUESS.
A corporation has zero interest in coming across as ill-informed, ill-advised and unprepared. GUESS is now on the back foot, appearing rather foolish in my view. Like a tit.
Oh to be a fly on the wall at GUESS Regent Street and GUESS HQ late this afternoon, following Banksy's Instagram post... Or to have access to the recordings of the multiple, panicky telephone calls that will no doubt have been placed.
"Guess has unveiled a capsule collection for autumn/winter 2022 using iconic motifs from Banksy’s graffiti. The collection was created in partnership with Brandalised, which has the urban graffiti license to offer Banksy fans affordable graffiti collectables. The capsule features contemporary garments along with unique accessories, including T-shirts, sweatshirts, dresses, denim, socks, coats and hats. Each piece mixes Banksy’s graffiti with “Guess attitude,” explains the brand in the press release. Mixing contemporary style with vintage wash finishes, faux fur, ribbed cuffs and Guess logo detailing in a colour palette of light acid green, stone, red, pink and blue." fashionunited.uk/news/fashion/guess-unveils-collection-with-graffiti-by-banksy/2022110366035Love it. Although what on earth is an "urban graffiti licence"? Presumably, the contract with Brandalised was reviewed and negotiated by a lawyer or group of lawyers (in-house and/or external) acting for GUESS. But if a modicum of due diligence had been completed, regarding the use on its clothing range of Ban ksy images nicked from the internet, GUESS would have realised that entering into a licencing agreement with John Doe from Huddersfield would have had equal legal validity. And it would likely have cost GUESS about 99% less than what the company will have handed over to Brandalised for the same privilege. After a year Banksy it’s more active then I thought. Trange to see him react to something that sell things using him image/ name without authorisation, this happens every daysWhile this type of theft may happen every day, it rarely does so involving such a high-profile protagonist. GUESS is a multinational retailer, apparently with around 1,600 shops globally. Under these circumstances, a jocular public call-out by Ban ksy seems a legitimate and not-inappropriate response. I'm guessing that guess just probably paid well over £1M to 'Brandalised' for a license they don’t even own.. Who's going to inform Guess that they have just been scammed? Imagine being part of the team of employees and decision-makers at GUESS who were directly involved in this project. And what their respective weekends are now looking like. Roll up to the party lookin slick wearing one of BANKSY's most iconic images: Excellent. Thank you for posting. Let's hope they also have a sweatshirt with my favourite Ban ksy image: the panda with handguns. How many followers does Banksy have on Instagram? I suspect Guess are over the moon Banksy has posted about it 😆 Perfect viral marketing! Extra Christmas bonus coming for the Guess Marketing Team 👏🏻 This is great marketing by Banksy and Guess. I agree wholeheartedly that Banksy’s post is a brilliant advertisement for Guess clothing and I would think it now sells out and I am suspicious of why now when Banksy is being sold everywhere. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Copyright is for Losers 😂 It is not great marketing for GUESS. A corporation has zero interest in coming across as ill-informed, ill-advised and unprepared. GUESS is now on the back foot, appearing rather foolish in my view. Like a tit. Oh to be a fly on the wall at GUESS Regent Street and GUESS HQ late this afternoon, following Ban ksy's Instagram post... Or to have access to the recordings of the multiple, panicky telephone calls that will no doubt have been placed.
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Stik Hackney Holding Hands Poster, by met on Nov 2, 2022 17:24:16 GMT 1, Can anyone verify this Holding Hands poster? Having read what to look out for, the stock looks OK, and I weighed them at 37g each. The folds seem to look mechanical, but because I paid £140 for the 2 on ebay (Orange and Yellow), I am beginning to think about their origin. The creases reflect both posters (both look the same) I did question before buying about the lack of newspaper for each one, and he did say they were genuine. Any suggestions.
If I were a scammer, I too would tell you that my wares were genuine. Absolutely genuine. 180%
Images of the folds of a genuine copy below. Spot the difference with your purchase:
Can anyone verify this Holding Hands poster? Having read what to look out for, the stock looks OK, and I weighed them at 37g each. The folds seem to look mechanical, but because I paid £140 for the 2 on ebay (Orange and Yellow), I am beginning to think about their origin. The creases reflect both posters (both look the same) I did question before buying about the lack of newspaper for each one, and he did say they were genuine. Any suggestions. If I were a scammer, I too would tell you that my wares were genuine. Absolutely genuine. 180% Images of the folds of a genuine copy below. Spot the difference with your purchase:
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Celebrity Banksy Collectors, by met on Nov 2, 2022 15:13:08 GMT 1, For any lovers of interior design I highly recommend watching Architectural Digest, oh I wonder what Travis Barker has behind him
Perhaps the Miaz Brothers?
In any case, it's great to see that my favourite lab technician, Coco, is still doing well.
I previously feared he had been harmed by my favourite Nexus‑9, Luv — a real go‑getter, who is most efficient and also shows pride in her work.
For any lovers of interior design I highly recommend watching Architectural Digest, oh I wonder what Travis Barker has behind him Perhaps the Miaz Brothers? In any case, it's great to see that my favourite lab technician, Coco, is still doing well. I previously feared he had been harmed by my favourite Nexus‑9, Luv — a real go‑getter, who is most efficient and also shows pride in her work.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Oct 28, 2022 20:01:24 GMT 1, The Original Square Hole Girl Video + The Redemption - uploaded by Alison Burke
Unsatisfying Video - uploaded by Luksan Wunder
The Original Square Hole Girl Video + The Redemption - uploaded by Alison Burke
Unsatisfying Video - uploaded by Luksan Wunder
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Oct 28, 2022 19:54:27 GMT 1, Any Jordan Wolfson fans in New York?
If so, and in case you weren't aware, (Female Figure) (2014) is currently on view at The Brant Foundation. Arguably, a must-see.
www.brantfoundation.org/exhibitions/browse/current/
JORDAN WOLFSON — FEMALE FIGURE
New York — 12 October to 31 December 2022
Jordan Wolfson: Female Figure opens to the public on October 12, 2022 at The Brant Foundation’s New York space.
Tickets are currently released for October 26th – November 19th.
Link to reserve tickets:
thebrantfoundation.as.me/schedule.php
PRESS RELEASE East Village, New York City— The Brant Foundation is pleased to present Jordan Wolfson’s (Female Figure), 2014, at its East Village location. Last exhibited in New York City in 2014, this technologically complex sculpture will be on view at the Foundation’s historic building starting October 12th, housed in a new artwork-specific room.
Wolfson is well known for his powerful and unsettling artworks that examine the conditions of contemporary life. Pulling from a variety of sources, including advertising, the internet, and technology industries, the artist explores difficult and ambitious narratives. The questions he interrogates are numerous: How is information and imagery understood? What is the role of fetishization in art? How does technology infiltrate our perception of the world? These queries are decidedly left unanswered by the artist; Wolfson’s animated figures speak for themselves.
(Female Figure) combines film, installation and performance into an animatronic figure. As the sculpture gracefully dances to blaring pop-music, the whirrs and creaks from the figure’s joints remind the viewer of its technological construction. Simultaneously, Wolfson’s voice projects from the figure: the phrase, “My mother is dead, my father is dead, I’m gay, I’d like to be a poet, this is my house,” and the command to “Tell them touch is love,” are just two examples of the disorienting voiceover. There is no way to avoid sculpture’s narration nor gaze. (Female Figure) creates a different kind of viewing experience that inherently incorporates the viewer into the troubling and provoking performance of the sculpture. Here, it is the agitating tension between subject and object that truly encapsulates Wolfson’s immersive installation.
Roboticist: Mark Setrakian
Any Jordan Wolfson fans in New York? If so, and in case you weren't aware, (Female Figure) (2014) is currently on view at The Brant Foundation. Arguably, a must-see. www.brantfoundation.org/exhibitions/browse/current/JORDAN WOLFSON — FEMALE FIGURENew York — 12 October to 31 December 2022 Jordan Wolfson: Female Figure opens to the public on October 12, 2022 at The Brant Foundation’s New York space.
Tickets are currently released for October 26th – November 19th.Link to reserve tickets: thebrantfoundation.as.me/schedule.phpPRESS RELEASE East Village, New York City— The Brant Foundation is pleased to present Jordan Wolfson’s (Female Figure), 2014, at its East Village location. Last exhibited in New York City in 2014, this technologically complex sculpture will be on view at the Foundation’s historic building starting October 12th, housed in a new artwork-specific room.
Wolfson is well known for his powerful and unsettling artworks that examine the conditions of contemporary life. Pulling from a variety of sources, including advertising, the internet, and technology industries, the artist explores difficult and ambitious narratives. The questions he interrogates are numerous: How is information and imagery understood? What is the role of fetishization in art? How does technology infiltrate our perception of the world? These queries are decidedly left unanswered by the artist; Wolfson’s animated figures speak for themselves.
(Female Figure) combines film, installation and performance into an animatronic figure. As the sculpture gracefully dances to blaring pop-music, the whirrs and creaks from the figure’s joints remind the viewer of its technological construction. Simultaneously, Wolfson’s voice projects from the figure: the phrase, “My mother is dead, my father is dead, I’m gay, I’d like to be a poet, this is my house,” and the command to “Tell them touch is love,” are just two examples of the disorienting voiceover. There is no way to avoid sculpture’s narration nor gaze. (Female Figure) creates a different kind of viewing experience that inherently incorporates the viewer into the troubling and provoking performance of the sculpture. Here, it is the agitating tension between subject and object that truly encapsulates Wolfson’s immersive installation.
Roboticist: Mark Setrakian
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DFace - MICHAEL JACKSON FOR SALE, by met on Oct 26, 2022 23:17:42 GMT 1, D*FACE Michael Jackson (Orange), 2012 Acrylic on canvas 43 1/4 x 43 1/4 in 110 x 110 cm
Necro-paedo-tastic.
A majority here will already know the main source image for this piece. Or they will have guessed, just because they're observant and pay attention to recognisable artistic styles.
But for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know, the D*Face is based on one of the works from a series created by Andy Warhol — when he was commissioned by TIME magazine in 1984 to make a portrait of Michael Jackson:
Warhol diary excerpts:
March 7, 1984: I finished the Michael Jackson cover. I didn’t like it but the office kids did. Then the Time people came down to see it, about forty of them. And they stood around saying that it should increase news stand sales. . . . Then later the Time guy called me . . . and said they were going to use it. I think the yellow one. And I told him to cross his fingers that it wouldn’t get bumped on Saturday and he said he would.
March 12, 1984: Time came out and the Jackson cover made it, it didn’t get bumped. And the article inside was crazy. It had them asking if he was going to get a sex-change operation and he said no. The cover should have had more blue. I gave them some in the style of the Fonda cover I did for Time once, but they wanted this style.
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If forced at gunpoint to hang a Michael Jackson in my home, I would probably choose Fairytale Cottage by Banksy, a contemporary take on Hansel and Gretel.
Santa's Ghetto 2006 original version:
Dramatically cropped, slightly reworked, and reframed Banksy vs Bristol Museum 2009 version (late addition to the show, installed as part of a mock shrine about 24 hours after Jackson's death):
Original painting, From Beyond the Stars (2005), that Banksy bought from the artist Tom Ormond:
D*FACE Michael Jackson (Orange), 2012 Acrylic on canvas 43 1/4 x 43 1/4 in 110 x 110 cm Necro-paedo-tastic. A majority here will already know the main source image for this piece. Or they will have guessed, just because they're observant and pay attention to recognisable artistic styles. But for the benefit of anyone who doesn't know, the D*Face is based on one of the works from a series created by Andy Warhol — when he was commissioned by TIME magazine in 1984 to make a portrait of Michael Jackson: Warhol diary excerpts: March 7, 1984: I finished the Michael Jackson cover. I didn’t like it but the office kids did. Then the Time people came down to see it, about forty of them. And they stood around saying that it should increase news stand sales. . . . Then later the Time guy called me . . . and said they were going to use it. I think the yellow one. And I told him to cross his fingers that it wouldn’t get bumped on Saturday and he said he would.
March 12, 1984: Time came out and the Jackson cover made it, it didn’t get bumped. And the article inside was crazy. It had them asking if he was going to get a sex-change operation and he said no. The cover should have had more blue. I gave them some in the style of the Fonda cover I did for Time once, but they wanted this style. __________ If forced at gunpoint to hang a Michael Jackson in my home, I would probably choose Fairytale Cottage by Banksy, a contemporary take on Hansel and Gretel. Santa's Ghetto 2006 original version:Dramatically cropped, slightly reworked, and reframed Banksy vs Bristol Museum 2009 version (late addition to the show, installed as part of a mock shrine about 24 hours after Jackson's death):Original painting, From Beyond the Stars (2005), that Banksy bought from the artist Tom Ormond:
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Martin Whatson Son of a Man Print, by met on Oct 22, 2022 17:09:16 GMT 1, Hi all I have a Martin Whatson - Son of a Man Artist Proof for sale Size - 50 x 70cm Original hand-painted screenprint on paper. The piece is a limited edition of 12 on white paper each uniquely hand-painted with graffiti tags. [...]
Orthography: The difference between knowing your shit and not knowing you're shit.
For this purpose (regardless of their possible indirect relevance to the point being made), I'll leave aside my thoughts on Martin Whatson's work.
Hi all I have a Martin Whatson - Son of a Man Artist Proof for sale Size - 50 x 70cm Original hand-painted screenprint on paper. The piece is a limited edition of 12 on white paper each uniquely hand-painted with graffiti tags. [...] Orthography: The difference between knowing your shit and not knowing you're shit. For this purpose (regardless of their possible indirect relevance to the point being made), I'll leave aside my thoughts on Martin Whatson's work.
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Eddy Bennett 🇬🇧 Artist Discussion , by met on Oct 19, 2022 9:02:44 GMT 1, A very skilled craftsman, a very talented signwriter, but artist? Where is the originality, the wit, the interesting take, the risk, the humour, the hidden meaning, the ... art? Beautiful work, dont get me wrong absolutely nothing wrong with being a skilled craftsman today, is a very wonderful thing to be , and I imagine pretty difficult to make a decent living at it, it takes a lot of time, craft.
I would concur with your assessment, and consider it both thoughtful and fair.
When viewing the work of Eddy Bennett, there is clear evidence of technical skill and techniques, presumably learned and honed by him over many years.
Far less apparent are ideas that have any notable artistic merit; his artistic concepts are either non-existent or clichéd.
It comes back to your helpful distinction between art and craft. Bennett seems more of a craftsperson than an artist.
Design-wise, I am not a fan of his colour palette. Or of his composition style. And so, visually / aesthetically, nothing is really there for me.
But the proper killer, to my mind at least, would be the lack of wit you have already mentioned.
When compared with other text-based artists — such as Lawrence Weiner, Jenny Holzer, Barbara Kruger, Ed Ruscha, but also fellow sign painters like Stephen Powers — Bennett's work feels uninspiring if not dull.
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As a separate aside, I noted with interest your delivery method using the so-called feedback sandwich.
While this technique does require more time and effort on the part of the commenter, it can often be the most effective way of critiquing — especially if trying minimise the risk of defensive or hysterical reactions in response.
A very skilled craftsman, a very talented signwriter, but artist? Where is the originality, the wit, the interesting take, the risk, the humour, the hidden meaning, the ... art? Beautiful work, dont get me wrong absolutely nothing wrong with being a skilled craftsman today, is a very wonderful thing to be , and I imagine pretty difficult to make a decent living at it, it takes a lot of time, craft. I would concur with your assessment, and consider it both thoughtful and fair. When viewing the work of Eddy Bennett, there is clear evidence of technical skill and techniques, presumably learned and honed by him over many years. Far less apparent are ideas that have any notable artistic merit; his artistic concepts are either non-existent or clichéd. It comes back to your helpful distinction between art and craft. Bennett seems more of a craftsperson than an artist. Design-wise, I am not a fan of his colour palette. Or of his composition style. And so, visually / aesthetically, nothing is really there for me. But the proper killer, to my mind at least, would be the lack of wit you have already mentioned. When compared with other text-based artists — such as Lawrence Wei ner, Jenny Hol zer, Barbara Kru ger, Ed Rus cha, but also fellow sign painters like Stephen Po wers — Bennett's work feels uninspiring if not dull. __________ As a separate aside, I noted with interest your delivery method using the so-called feedback sandwich. While this technique does require more time and effort on the part of the commenter, it can often be the most effective way of critiquing — especially if trying minimise the risk of defensive or hysterical reactions in response.
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Timur Zagirov • Son of Man, by met on Oct 15, 2022 2:51:36 GMT 1, Can someone please explain what an 'enhanced pigment giclee' is and what a '2 colour bitmap diffusion overlay' is , we have already done hand torn deckled edges and agreed they can be one or the other but not both.
These would be examples of marketing speak.
[They are efforts to:
(a) convey gravitas through the use of fancy words, to elevate the print in the minds of the easily-impressed; and
(b) help divert viewer attention from the fact the actual concept of the artwork (as opposed to its execution) is as banal as the portraits of Marilyn Monroe and the Mona Lisa — made with wine corks, bottle caps, pieces of broke vinyl records, or whatnot — that are commonplace at Arts & Crafts trade shows.]
Glossary
(i) enhanced pigment giclee: inkjet
(ii) 2 colour bitmap diffusion overlay: some gimmickery applied in Photoshop
Can someone please explain what an 'enhanced pigment giclee' is and what a '2 colour bitmap diffusion overlay' is , we have already done hand torn deckled edges and agreed they can be one or the other but not both. These would be examples of marketing speak. [They are efforts to:
(a) convey gravitas through the use of fancy words, to elevate the print in the minds of the easily-impressed; and
(b) help divert viewer attention from the fact the actual concept of the artwork (as opposed to its execution) is as banal as the portraits of Marilyn Monroe and the Mona Lisa — made with wine corks, bottle caps, pieces of broke vinyl records, or whatnot — that are commonplace at Arts & Crafts trade shows.]Glossary(i) enhanced pigment giclee: inkjet (ii) 2 colour bitmap diffusion overlay: some gimmickery applied in Photoshop
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Invader • Glow in the Dark IK15, by met on Oct 10, 2022 10:50:40 GMT 1,
Yep seems weird to me as it had sold on eB ay and I guess it fell through. They said they had paperwork when I asked and then when I asked for a photo of the paperwork they went silent even though I messaged them a few more times saying I was a serious buyer??? Therefore I will be staying away from this one !!
Anyone selling am Invasion Kit on eb ay in 2022 really doesn't know what they're doing, and I agree with the poster above that caution is advised
They never even responded to my messages with questions about its authenticity. They are most likely a scammer.
I’m not sure how they sleep at night, ripping people off??!! Words words words
1. The Urban Art Association has the potential to be valuable as a long-term information source — including for research, cross-referencing, warning notices, and public service announcements.
To any members who share this view and occasionally reference eBay listings, I would encourage them to provide both the link and a screenshot.
Since eBay typically removes listings after three months, a screenshot will ensure the relevant post (or even the entire thread) can still remain helpful to others for years to come.
2. If somebody here won the auction for those tiles and actually paid for them, my recommendation would be to seek an immediate refund.
3. Members who expressed wariness about the eBay listing and seller were, in my view, wise to do so.
4. Time for another case study.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165705853362
eBay seller: nyworlds
Apparent location: San Francisco, California
Purported sale item: Invasion Kit #15 (Glow in the Space) by Invader
__________
Side note A:
If a non-dodgy reason exists for sellers to make their eBay listings fully private, I would love to hear it.
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Side note B:
For high-value items, be suspicious of any eBay seller attempting to sell the same thing twice, without a forthright explanation in their second listing as to why.
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Sharp-eyed members (especially those who already own an authentic IK15 they can compare with) will have spotted a couple of potential red flags with the purported Invader signature. But I won't go into those specifics here.
For this purpose, it is sufficient just to focus on the yellow printing on the static shielding bag.
First, a genuine IK15. Note the finesse of the screenprinted letters, the registered trademark symbol, and the logo featuring a hand:
Now, compare and contrast with the probable counterfeit that nyworlds had twice listed on eBay. The increased roughness and loss of definition, which typically occurs when copy-screenprinting small details, are immediately apparent:
5. Please do not assume the problem with fakes is limited to platforms like eBay, or to private sellers generally.
Plenty of auction houses and galleries are frequently just as corrupt. Or (to the extent they might actually be acting in good faith), just as unqualified, incompetent, reckless and/or criminally naive.
To cite but one example, Patrick Jones Gallery in Dallas, Texas, also sold a probable counterfeit IK15 via Artsy:
6. It is worth emphasising that the higher-end Invader market has long ceased to be safe for amateurs and ignorant enthusiasts of the artist. Or for seasoned collectors who are too lazy and unwilling to carry out the requisite due diligence checks.
7. Don't be a dupe. Keep your guard up and stay safe.
Yep seems weird to me as it had sold on eB ay and I guess it fell through. They said they had paperwork when I asked and then when I asked for a photo of the paperwork they went silent even though I messaged them a few more times saying I was a serious buyer??? Therefore I will be staying away from this one !! Anyone selling am Invasion Kit on eb ay in 2022 really doesn't know what they're doing, and I agree with the poster above that caution is advised They never even responded to my messages with questions about its authenticity. They are most likely a scammer. I’m not sure how they sleep at night, ripping people off??!! Words words words 1. The Ur ban Art Association has the potential to be valuable as a long-term information source — including for research, cross-referencing, warning notices, and public service announcements. To any members who share this view and occasionally reference eB ay listings, I would encourage them to provide both the link and a screenshot. Since eB ay typically removes listings after three months, a screenshot will ensure the relevant post (or even the entire thread) can still remain helpful to others for years to come. 2. If somebody here won the auction for those tiles and actually paid for them, my recommendation would be to seek an immediate refund. 3. Members who expressed wariness about the eB ay listing and seller were, in my view, wise to do so. 4. Time for another case study. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165705853362eBay seller: nyworldsApparent location: San Francisco, California Purported sale item: Invasion Kit #15 (Glow in the Space) by Invader __________ Side note A: If a non-dodgy reason exists for sellers to make their eB ay listings fully private, I would love to hear it. __________ Side note B: For high-value items, be suspicious of any eB ay seller attempting to sell the same thing twice, without a forthright explanation in their second listing as to why. __________ Sharp-eyed members (especially those who already own an authentic IK15 they can compare with) will have spotted a couple of potential red flags with the purported Invader signature. But I won't go into those specifics here. For this purpose, it is sufficient just to focus on the yellow printing on the static shielding bag. First, a genuine IK15. Note the finesse of the screenprinted letters, the registered trademark symbol, and the logo featuring a hand: Now, compare and contrast with the probable counterfeit that nyworlds had twice listed on eBay. The increased roughness and loss of definition, which typically occurs when copy-screenprinting small details, are immediately apparent: 5. Please do not assume the problem with fakes is limited to platforms like eB ay, or to private sellers generally. Plenty of auction houses and galleries are frequently just as corrupt. Or (to the extent they might actually be acting in good faith), just as unqualified, incompetent, reckless and/or criminally naive. To cite but one example, Patrick Jones Gallery in Dallas, Texas, also sold a probable counterfeit IK15 via Artsy: 6. It is worth emphasising that the higher-end Invader market has long ceased to be safe for amateurs and ignorant enthusiasts of the artist. Or for seasoned collectors who are too lazy and unwilling to carry out the requisite due diligence checks. 7. Don't be a dupe. Keep your guard up and stay safe.
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Banksy Bomb Middle England Print • 2003 , by met on Sept 30, 2022 1:54:26 GMT 1,
One never knows. You might get lucky, and do okay or even quite well.
That said, at least from a general standpoint, I would describe the decision to sell a limited edition Banksy screenprint on eBay as ill-advised foolishness.
What you own has become a fine art luxury item. And within your target market (i.e. the pool of potential bidders with significant disposable income, who are willing to compete against each other for your print), a significant proportion pays zero attention to eBay. [It therefore puzzles me that a couple of other forum members have 'liked' your post, because doing so could be seen to suggest they agree with your approach.]
Sounds as if you were talking to the wrong auction houses. Or just weren't negotiating hard enough on the level of the seller's commission.
You may also have placed excessive focus on the percentages payable to the seller — when it would have been wiser instead to try to estimate the net amount you'd probably end up with, depending on the selling platform.
And so, yes, 1% is of course a lower selling-fee percentage than, say, 10%. But when determining the different likely net sale proceeds, query which option would normally be more interesting to the owner of an artwork:
(a) a winning bid of £14,000, less 1% to eBay; or
(b) a not-unreasonable hammer price of £18,000*, less 10% to the auction house (where there is the additional safety net of choosing a reserve price).
A gallery consignment would also have been a very viable (and in my view preferable) alternative to eBay.
As a trivial aside, for a shorter and cleaner eBay link than yours above, delete everything from the first question mark onwards:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374273592880
One never knows. You might get lucky, and do okay or even quite well. That said, at least from a general standpoint, I would describe the decision to sell a limited edition Ban ksy screenprint on eB ay as ill-advised foolishness. What you own has become a fine art luxury item. And within your target market (i.e. the pool of potential bidders with significant disposable income, who are willing to compete against each other for your print), a significant proportion pays zero attention to eB ay. [It therefore puzzles me that a couple of other forum members have 'liked' your post, because doing so could be seen to suggest they agree with your approach.]Sounds as if you were talking to the wrong auction houses. Or just weren't negotiating hard enough on the level of the seller's commission. You may also have placed excessive focus on the percentages payable to the seller — when it would have been wiser instead to try to estimate the net amount you'd probably end up with, depending on the selling platform. And so, yes, 1% is of course a lower selling-fee percentage than, say, 10%. But when determining the different likely net sale proceeds, query which option would normally be more interesting to the owner of an artwork: (a) a winning bid of £14,000, less 1% to eB ay; or (b) a not-unreasonable hammer price of £18,000 *, less 10% to the auction house (where there is the additional safety net of choosing a reserve price). A gallery consignment would also have been a very viable (and in my view preferable) alternative to eB ay. As a trivial aside, for a shorter and cleaner eBay link than yours above, delete everything from the first question mark onwards: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/374273592880
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Banksy • Monkey Parliament Poster, by met on Sept 15, 2022 19:05:19 GMT 1, I have one for sale, if you want one. Please send me a PM for more information.
Would the Monkey Parliament poster that you're selling be authentic? Or is it a counterfeit one?
Dutch Art Collector
Although perhaps a little provocative, my questions above were sincere, not rhetorical.
If you are selling an authentic Monkey Parliament, then transparency is your friend. In which case, please post some photos of your poster.
Conversely, lack of transparency by any seller is generally a red flag. This includes coyness with the public posting of close-up and context images (especially when the sale item isn't a unique or original artwork). It also includes being unforthcoming or evasive about provenance details.
Such behaviour is quite often an indicator of bad faith. It could easily be interpreted as a cynical effort by the seller to retain deniability — so they can still plead innocent ignorance ("Sorry mate, I had no idea.") if later called out for selling a fake.
I have one for sale, if you want one. Please send me a PM for more information. Would the Monkey Parliament poster that you're selling be authentic? Or is it a counterfeit one? Dutch Art CollectorAlthough perhaps a little provocative, my questions above were sincere, not rhetorical. If you are selling an authentic Monkey Parliament, then transparency is your friend. In which case, please post some photos of your poster. Conversely, lack of transparency by any seller is generally a red flag. This includes coyness with the public posting of close-up and context images (especially when the sale item isn't a unique or original artwork). It also includes being unforthcoming or evasive about provenance details. Such behaviour is quite often an indicator of bad faith. It could easily be interpreted as a cynical effort by the seller to retain deniability — so they can still plead innocent ignorance ( "Sorry mate, I had no idea.") if later called out for selling a fake.
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Zedsy 🇬🇧 Street Art • New Print Release , by met on Sept 14, 2022 20:02:33 GMT 1, I think Blek the King was the first to use the stencil if anyone can confirm would be fine
Random examples of stencil-based artwork that precedes Blek le Rat:
UK, 1977
France, 1968
Indonesia, circa 38,000 BC
I think Blek the King was the first to use the stencil if anyone can confirm would be fine Random examples of stencil-based artwork that precedes Bl ek le Rat: UK, 1977France, 1968Indonesia, circa 38,000 BC
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Banksy • Monkey Parliament Poster, by met on Sept 12, 2022 19:14:00 GMT 1, I have one for sale, if you want one. Please send me a PM for more information. Would the Monkey Parliament poster that you're selling be authentic?
Or is it a counterfeit one?
I have one for sale, if you want one. Please send me a PM for more information. Would the Monkey Parliament poster that you're selling be authentic? Or is it a counterfeit one?
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 10, 2022 17:21:39 GMT 1, Thanks, met! I will stick with my choice for the postcard :-) And I tried to look up the Hitchhiker piece via Google Earth, but unfortunately it seems to be gone.
Duly noted about the postcard.
Will dispatch everything on Monday, and then follow up via private message with tracking details for you.
Yes, the hitchhiker piece was finally buffed in 2011–2012.
Location in London
Context from above*
Context at street level*
Close-up at street level*
Blog post with some background about the Banksy and its buffing
darkestlondon.com/2012/05/21/going-nowhere-the-death-of-archways-banksy/
Thanks, met! I will stick with my choice for the postcard :-) And I tried to look up the Hitchhiker piece via Google Earth, but unfortunately it seems to be gone. Duly noted about the postcard. Will dispatch everything on Monday, and then follow up via private message with tracking details for you. Yes, the hitchhiker piece was finally buffed in 2011–2012. Location in LondonContext from above *Context at street level *Close-up at street level *Blog post with some background about the Banksy and its buffingdarkestlondon.com/2012/05/21/going-nowhere-the-death-of-archways-banksy/
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 10, 2022 15:00:53 GMT 1, Congratulations yet again, kjg. You win Competition 52. [...] Interested in also winning a collectible postcard? Or, alternatively, a collectible sticker? If so, correctly answer the question and complete the separate task below within the next three days. BONUS QUESTION AND TASK1. Part BThere is an indirect but straightforward connection between one aspect of the song/video featured in Part B of Competition 52 and the hitchhiker street piece that follows, painted circa 2005 in Archway, North London. Please explain the relationship. 2. Part D, second videoI was surprised by how engaging I found Gabrielle Reece's manner and insights during her 2019 chat on Joe Rogan's podcast. Of particular interest to me was the subject she raises, starting at around 11:32: Well, what is success?Take a moment and have a proper think. Next, using a marker, pen or pencil and a piece of paper, write down what success is, or would be, for you personally. Afterwards, date this piece of paper. Then do as you please with it. No sharing required here, only an honour-system confirmation that you've completed the task. The deadline for answering the question and confirming completion of the task is 23:59 UK time on Sunday 11 September. Good luck. The music video for the song Hands Around My Throat by Death in Vegas was shot in 2002. The video features French model and actress Emmanuelle Seigner. Emmanuelle Seigner has been married to Polish film director Roman Polanski since 1989. In 1968 Roman Polanski married American actress Sharon Tate. Sharon Tate was murdered by The Manson Family in 1969. The Manson Family was a gang led by Charles Manson. Charles Manson is the person depicted in Banksy’s 2005 piece ‘Hitchhiker to Anywhere Archway'. Bonus task one (the chance to win a packet of Rowntree Fruit Gums): I accomplished this task. It was actually a lot easier than I thought 😊 Bonus task two (the chance to win a collectable card): I accomplished this task too. I wrote down my thoughts about success and dated the piece of paper.
Nicely done, kjg. Congratulations.
Regarding Competition 52, although you already expressed a bonus-prize preference for the postcard, a little more detail about the two options is set out below, to allow you to make a better-informed final decision:
(a) A collectible vintage postcard (in excellent condition) of an image of a 2000s screenprinted artwork — one that was created by merging a 1990s photo of a famous model with a 1960s screenprinted piece by a famous Pop artist, the latter itself based on a 1950s photo of a famous actress.
Or
(b) A collectible vintage sticker (in excellent condition) of a sign notice that graffiti artists must report to reception before starting work.
***Do let me know in case the above descriptions push you to change your mind about your bonus-prize choice.
BONUS QUESTION REFERENCE ANSWER - COMPETITION 52
1. Part B
(i) The Death in Vegas video for Hands Around My Throat features the French actress and singer, Emmanuelle Seigner.
(ii) Seigner has since 1989 been married to Roman Polanski.
(iii) Polanski's second wife was Sharon Tate, an actress stabbed to death in 1969 — at the age of 26, when she was eight-and-a-half months pregnant.
(iv) Tate was one of the seven murder victims (or eight, if giving legal personality to a fetus) of the so-called Tate‑LaBianca murders committed by members of the infamous Manson Family cult, led by Charles Manson.
(v) For his hitchhiker street piece in North London, Banksy used a 1968 mugshot photo of Manson as a source image:
Congratulations yet again, kjg. You win Competition 52. [...] Interested in also winning a collectible postcard? Or, alternatively, a collectible sticker? If so, correctly answer the question and complete the separate task below within the next three days. BONUS QUESTION AND TASK1. Part BThere is an indirect but straightforward connection between one aspect of the song/video featured in Part B of Competition 52 and the hitchhiker street piece that follows, painted circa 2005 in Archway, North London. Please explain the relationship. 2. Part D, second videoI was surprised by how engaging I found Gabrielle Reece's manner and insights during her 2019 chat on Joe Rogan's podcast. Of particular interest to me was the subject she raises, starting at around 11:32: Well, what is success?Take a moment and have a proper think. Next, using a marker, pen or pencil and a piece of paper, write down what success is, or would be, for you personally. Afterwards, date this piece of paper. Then do as you please with it. No sharing required here, only an honour-system confirmation that you've completed the task. The deadline for answering the question and confirming completion of the task is 23:59 UK time on Sunday 11 September. Good luck. The music video for the song Hands Around My Throat by Death in Vegas was shot in 2002. The video features French model and actress Emmanuelle Seigner. Emmanuelle Seigner has been married to Polish film director Roman Polanski since 1989. In 1968 Roman Polanski married American actress Sharon Tate. Sharon Tate was murdered by The Manson Family in 1969. The Manson Family was a gang led by Charles Manson. Charles Manson is the person depicted in Banksy’s 2005 piece ‘Hitchhiker to Anywhere Archway'. Bonus task one (the chance to win a packet of Rowntree Fruit Gums): I accomplished this task. It was actually a lot easier than I thought 😊 Bonus task two (the chance to win a collectable card): I accomplished this task too. I wrote down my thoughts about success and dated the piece of paper. Nicely done, kjg. Congratulations. Regarding Competition 52, although you already expressed a bonus-prize preference for the postcard, a little more detail about the two options is set out below, to allow you to make a better-informed final decision: (a) A collectible vintage postcard (in excellent condition) of an image of a 2000s screenprinted artwork — one that was created by merging a 1990s photo of a famous model with a 1960s screenprinted piece by a famous Pop artist, the latter itself based on a 1950s photo of a famous actress. Or(b) A collectible vintage sticker (in excellent condition) of a sign notice that graffiti artists must report to reception before starting work. ***Do let me know in case the above descriptions push you to change your mind about your bonus-prize choice. BONUS QUESTION REFERENCE ANSWER - COMPETITION 521. Part B(i) The Death in Vegas video for Hands Around My Throat features the French actress and singer, Emmanuelle Seigner. (ii) Seigner has since 1989 been married to Roman Polanski. (iii) Polanski's second wife was Sharon Tate, an actress stabbed to death in 1969 — at the age of 26, when she was eight-and-a-half months pregnant. (iv) Tate was one of the seven murder victims (or eight, if giving legal personality to a fetus) of the so-called Tate‑LaBianca murders committed by members of the infamous Manson Family cult, led by Charles Manson. (v) For his hitchhiker street piece in North London, Ban ksy used a 1968 mugshot photo of Manson as a source image:
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 8, 2022 13:46:37 GMT 1, QUESTIONS1. Part A: Please identify the photographer of the image, as well as the model. 2. Part D, first video: Professor Gad Saad refers to assortative mating in evolutionary theory (in essence, birds of a feather flock together), which he describes as "very much the mechanism that drives mate choice". Cite two specific examples mentioned by him of assortative mating cues that people most assort on and, in one or more sentences for each, describe their effect or how they typically work in practice (as if explaining to someone hearing about the subject for the first time). ________________ Courtesy notice for expectation-management purposes: I'll be stepping out this evening, and so probably won't log back in before tomorrow morning UK time to check any answers posted. In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 19:00 UK time on Friday 9 September. 1. Part A: Please identify the photographer of the image, as well as the model. The photographer of this image is Helmut Newton. The model depictured is Nadja Auermann. 2. Part D, first video: Professor Gad Saad refers to assortative mating in evolutionary theory (in essence, birds of a feather flock together), which he describes as "very much the mechanism that drives mate choice". Cite two specific examples mentioned by him of assortative mating cues that people most assort on and, in one or more sentences for each, describe their effect or how they typically work in practice (as if explaining to someone hearing about the subject for the first time). Gad Saad mentions a few of those assertive mating cues. Two of those mating cues are exhibiting generosity and the way you dress. 1. Exhibiting generosity (or nuptial gift giving as Saad calls it): if you date a rich woman or a woman that is richer than you are and you show signs of cheapness during that date the chances of a second date with that woman are near zero. It is an important signal to a woman to show commitment by gifting her something that is costly. This is an example of a so-called Zahavian signal: for a signal to be honest it has to be costly. 2. The way you dress: the attire of a man has great effect on the likelihood of a woman saying yes to a date. The higher the status you are showing with your clothes, the higher the chance for a rendezvous with a woman. I will confirm the task of air-drumming beyond the 1:44 mark of July Talk’s Touch tomorrow evening!
Congratulations yet again, kjg. You win Competition 52.
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 52
1. Part A: Please identify the photographer of the image, as well as the model.
For anyone not entirely au fait with photography and fashion models, a reverse-image search was the most efficient first step to take here.
Photographer: Helmut Newton
Model: Nadja Auermann
This photo was part of the 'High & Mighty' editorial in the February 1995 issue of American Vogue. It would seem comparable in sensibility to the later film by David Cronenberg, Crash — released in Canada in October 1996, and in the USA and UK in Spring 1997.
While Newton himself hopefully requires zero introduction, below is a video initiation to Auermann, noteworthy for her "ice maiden visage and pole vaulter's legs":
Back to the 90's: Supermodel Nadja Auermann [5:33] - uploaded by Runway Collection
2. Part D, first video: Professor Gad Saad refers to assortative mating in evolutionary theory (in essence, birds of a feather flock together), which he describes as "very much the mechanism that drives mate choice".
Cite two specific examples mentioned by him of assortative mating cues that people most assort on and, in one or more sentences for each, describe their effect or how they typically work in practice (as if explaining to someone hearing about the subject for the first time).
Three examples:
(i) Height
Heterosexual women typically seek men who are taller than they are. Saad refers to a study that looked at something like 720 couples, among which there was but one couple where the woman was taller than the man. Given this general mating preference by women, Saad goes on to explain that once a woman gets to be over a certain height, her options dramatically shrink in terms of acceptable potential suitors.
(ii) Education
According to Saad, the more educated a woman gets, the worse her marriage prospects. Because, the more sophisticated the woman, the more she insists upon a high-status male. In other words, as a woman becomes increasingly educated, the number of men who are equally or more educated than she is decreases accordingly — with fewer and fewer men capable of meeting her expectations of a partner.
In many cases, serious educational ambition by a woman thus comes with a regrettable tradeoff: the greater likelihood of a life of solitude.
(iii) Status exhibited by attire
Saad refers to a study using images of men and women. Their attire was manipulated and they were then divided into three sartorial categories, based on the status exhibited by the clothes they wore: (a) high status, (b) medium status, and (c) low status (e.g. a t‑shirt or service-industry uniform).
Study subjects were shown the images of members of the opposite sex, and asked six questions along the lines of:
- Would have coffee with this person?; - Would you go out to dinner with them?; - Would you have sex with them?; and - Would you marry them?
Across all six relationship levels, the status of the attire of a man had a profound effect on the likelihood of female subjects responding to the questions with a "Yes": The higher the status, the more likely the women said yes.
Contrarily, the status of the attire of a woman had zero effect on the likelihood of male subjects responding to the same questions with a "Yes".
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If so, correctly answer the question and complete the separate task below within the next three days.
BONUS QUESTION AND TASK
1. Part B
There is an indirect but straightforward connection between one aspect of the song/video featured in Part B of Competition 52 and the hitchhiker street piece that follows, painted circa 2005 in Archway, North London. Please explain the relationship.
2. Part D, second video
I was surprised by how engaging I found Gabrielle Reece's manner and insights during her 2019 chat on Joe Rogan's podcast. Of particular interest to me was the subject she raises, starting at around 11:32: Well, what is success?
Take a moment and have a proper think. Next, using a marker, pen or pencil and a piece of paper, write down what success is, or would be, for you personally. Afterwards, date this piece of paper. Then do as you please with it.
No sharing required here, only an honour-system confirmation that you've completed the task.
The deadline for answering the question and confirming completion of the task is 23:59 UK time on Sunday 11 September.
Good luck.
QUESTIONS1. Part A: Please identify the photographer of the image, as well as the model. 2. Part D, first video: Professor Gad Saad refers to assortative mating in evolutionary theory (in essence, birds of a feather flock together), which he describes as "very much the mechanism that drives mate choice". Cite two specific examples mentioned by him of assortative mating cues that people most assort on and, in one or more sentences for each, describe their effect or how they typically work in practice (as if explaining to someone hearing about the subject for the first time). ________________ Courtesy notice for expectation-management purposes: I'll be stepping out this evening, and so probably won't log back in before tomorrow morning UK time to check any answers posted. In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 19:00 UK time on Friday 9 September. 1. Part A: Please identify the photographer of the image, as well as the model. The photographer of this image is Helmut Newton. The model depictured is Nadja Auermann. 2. Part D, first video: Professor Gad Saad refers to assortative mating in evolutionary theory (in essence, birds of a feather flock together), which he describes as "very much the mechanism that drives mate choice". Cite two specific examples mentioned by him of assortative mating cues that people most assort on and, in one or more sentences for each, describe their effect or how they typically work in practice (as if explaining to someone hearing about the subject for the first time). Gad Saad mentions a few of those assertive mating cues. Two of those mating cues are exhibiting generosity and the way you dress. 1. Exhibiting generosity (or nuptial gift giving as Saad calls it): if you date a rich woman or a woman that is richer than you are and you show signs of cheapness during that date the chances of a second date with that woman are near zero. It is an important signal to a woman to show commitment by gifting her something that is costly. This is an example of a so-called Zahavian signal: for a signal to be honest it has to be costly. 2. The way you dress: the attire of a man has great effect on the likelihood of a woman saying yes to a date. The higher the status you are showing with your clothes, the higher the chance for a rendezvous with a woman. I will confirm the task of air-drumming beyond the 1:44 mark of July Talk’s Touch tomorrow evening! Congratulations yet again, kjg. You win Competition 52. REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 521. Part A: Please identify the photographer of the image, as well as the model.For anyone not entirely au fait with photography and fashion models, a reverse-image search was the most efficient first step to take here. Photographer: Helmut NewtonModel: Nadja AuermannThis photo was part of the 'High & Mighty' editorial in the February 1995 issue of American Vogue. It would seem comparable in sensibility to the later film by David Cronenberg, Crash — released in Canada in October 1996, and in the USA and UK in Spring 1997. While Newton himself hopefully requires zero introduction, below is a video initiation to Auermann, noteworthy for her "ice maiden visage and pole vaulter's legs": Back to the 90's: Supermodel Nadja Auermann [5:33]- uploaded by Runway Collection2. Part D, first video: Professor Gad Saad refers to assortative mating in evolutionary theory (in essence, birds of a feather flock together), which he describes as "very much the mechanism that drives mate choice".
Cite two specific examples mentioned by him of assortative mating cues that people most assort on and, in one or more sentences for each, describe their effect or how they typically work in practice (as if explaining to someone hearing about the subject for the first time).Three examples:(i) HeightHeterosexual women typically seek men who are taller than they are. Saad refers to a study that looked at something like 720 couples, among which there was but one couple where the woman was taller than the man. Given this general mating preference by women, Saad goes on to explain that once a woman gets to be over a certain height, her options dramatically shrink in terms of acceptable potential suitors. (ii) EducationAccording to Saad, the more educated a woman gets, the worse her marriage prospects. Because, the more sophisticated the woman, the more she insists upon a high-status male. In other words, as a woman becomes increasingly educated, the number of men who are equally or more educated than she is decreases accordingly — with fewer and fewer men capable of meeting her expectations of a partner. In many cases, serious educational ambition by a woman thus comes with a regrettable tradeoff: the greater likelihood of a life of solitude. (iii) Status exhibited by attireSaad refers to a study using images of men and women. Their attire was manipulated and they were then divided into three sartorial categories, based on the status exhibited by the clothes they wore: (a) high status, (b) medium status, and (c) low status (e.g. a t‑shirt or service-industry uniform). Study subjects were shown the images of members of the opposite sex, and asked six questions along the lines of: - Would have coffee with this person?; - Would you go out to dinner with them?; - Would you have sex with them?; and - Would you marry them?Across all six relationship levels, the status of the attire of a man had a profound effect on the likelihood of female subjects responding to the questions with a "Yes": The higher the status, the more likely the women said yes. Contrarily, the status of the attire of a woman had zero effect on the likelihood of male subjects responding to the same questions with a "Yes". ________________ Interested in also winning a collectible postcard? Or, alternatively, a collectible sticker? If so, correctly answer the question and complete the separate task below within the next three days. BONUS QUESTION AND TASK1. Part BThere is an indirect but straightforward connection between one aspect of the song/video featured in Part B of Competition 52 and the hitchhiker street piece that follows, painted circa 2005 in Archway, North London. Please explain the relationship. 2. Part D, second videoI was surprised by how engaging I found Gabrielle Reece's manner and insights during her 2019 chat on Joe Rogan's podcast. Of particular interest to me was the subject she raises, starting at around 11:32: Well, what is success?Take a moment and have a proper think. Next, using a marker, pen or pencil and a piece of paper, write down what success is, or would be, for you personally. Afterwards, date this piece of paper. Then do as you please with it. No sharing required here, only an honour-system confirmation that you've completed the task. The deadline for answering the question and confirming completion of the task is 23:59 UK time on Sunday 11 September. Good luck.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Sept 7, 2022 13:17:07 GMT 1, QUESTIONS1. Part A (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. 2. Part C (i) In which institution is this painting housed? (ii) Post a photograph of the real-life person depicted in the painting. [It may be worth taking a bit of time with this one, and not rushing.]________________ Courtesy notice for expectation-management purposes: I'll be stepping out this evening, and so probably won't log back in before tomorrow morning UK time to check any answers posted. In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 19:00 UK time on Friday 9 September. Answers 1. Part A (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? Simply put, Hanlon’s Razor states: “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.” It's perceiving every negative response that you get from someone else as an act of malice towards you, rather than that response being the outcome of something totally different and most probably unrelated to you and/or your behaviour. (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. Because online communication is for the largest part non-verbal, applying Hanlon’s Razor is quite useful. For example when someone is rude or reacts curt to your WhatsApp messages, it doesn’t have to be because the recipient doesn’t like you. It could just be that he or she is tired, is having a bad day or just busy with something (or someone) else. Remember: stop thinking that everything refers to you! 2. Part C (i) In which institution is this painting housed? This painting, ‘Portrait of the Journalist Sylvia von Harden’ by German painter Otto Dix, is housed in the Musée National d'Art Moderne at the Centre Pompidou in Paris. (ii) Post a photograph of the real-life person depicted in the painting. [It may be worth taking a bit of time with this one, and not rushing.]
Congratulations, kjg. You win Competition 53.
[If you also wish to take part in Competition 52, you'll need to allow 24 hours to pass, starting from the time of your above answer for Competition 53.]
REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 53
1. Part A
(i) What is Hanlon's Razor?
Hanlon's razor is a rule of thumb that states, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." It allows us to eliminate unlikely explanations for the behaviour of others.
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
(ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges.
Applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications, reduces the likelihood of the reader feeling paranoid about being personally attacked or victimised. This should in turn have a moderating effect, helping to curb the number of reactions that are unhelpfully defensive, hostile or otherwise escalatory.
2. Part C
(i) In which institution is this painting housed?
One of the most famous works by a favourite artist of mine, Otto Dix's Portrait of the Journalist Sylvia von Harden* (1926), an oil and tempera painting on wood panel.
It is part of the permanent collection of the Musée National d'Art Moderne, in the Centre Pompidou in Paris.
A reverse-image search may have been required here for verification purposes, although many members will no doubt have recognised the image.
(ii) Post a photograph of the real-life person depicted in the painting. [It may be worth taking a bit of time with this one, and not rushing.]
The above was a be-wary-with-Google-searches exercise: Encouragement to question everything, and carry out your own due diligence.
A number of web sources erroneously suggest that the photo below — a 1931 image by August Sander, titled Secretary at West German Radio in Cologne — is of Von Harden:
This looks to be one of the all-too-frequent cases where people assume information they've come across is correct, simply because it was posted online. They then repeat or repost without bothering to verify accuracy. And falsehoods are then given greater credence the more often they're shared by different people across multiple platforms. Through repetition alone, misinformation and disinformation can thus quickly take on the appearance, and status, of truth.
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Interested in also winning a packet of my favourite sweets — Rowntree's Fruit Gums ("Take the chew challenge"), valued at £1.30? If so, complete the separate task that follows within the next three days.
BONUS TASK
Part D, third video
[When I heard Touch for the first time, I was immediately attracted to the droning guitar at the start. Took me a good minute to identify why that sound was familiar: It's like a sped-up version of the beginning of Fever Ray's song, If I Had a Heart*.]
Each time the drums in Touch kick in at 0:36, I consider changing jobs and becoming a professional air drummer instead. Because I look so effortlessly cool in my kitchen, keeping the beat with one hand, while looking out into the distance and pretend-smoking with the other hand.
I become cooler than all of my imaginary friends. That is, until we get to the 1:44 mark — when my coordination suddenly resembles a newborn giraffe trying to walk.
Give it a shot yourself. See if your own air-drumming skills are capable of getting you past 1:44 in the song. Having a go is the key to this task. Whether you succeed or fail is beside the point.
The deadline for confirming completion of the task is 23:59 UK time on Saturday 10 September.
Good luck.
QUESTIONS1. Part A (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. 2. Part C (i) In which institution is this painting housed? (ii) Post a photograph of the real-life person depicted in the painting. [It may be worth taking a bit of time with this one, and not rushing.]________________ Courtesy notice for expectation-management purposes: I'll be stepping out this evening, and so probably won't log back in before tomorrow morning UK time to check any answers posted. In case no eligible member correctly responds to all questions beforehand, the answers will be posted in four days — at around 19:00 UK time on Friday 9 September. Answers 1. Part A (i) What is Hanlon's Razor? Simply put, Hanlon’s Razor states: “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.” It's perceiving every negative response that you get from someone else as an act of malice towards you, rather than that response being the outcome of something totally different and most probably unrelated to you and/or your behaviour. (ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges. Because online communication is for the largest part non-verbal, applying Hanlon’s Razor is quite useful. For example when someone is rude or reacts curt to your WhatsApp messages, it doesn’t have to be because the recipient doesn’t like you. It could just be that he or she is tired, is having a bad day or just busy with something (or someone) else. Remember: stop thinking that everything refers to you! 2. Part C (i) In which institution is this painting housed? This painting, ‘Portrait of the Journalist Sylvia von Harden’ by German painter Otto Dix, is housed in the Musée National d'Art Moderne at the Centre Pompidou in Paris. (ii) Post a photograph of the real-life person depicted in the painting. [It may be worth taking a bit of time with this one, and not rushing.] Congratulations, kjg. You win Competition 53. [If you also wish to take part in Competition 52, you'll need to allow 24 hours to pass, starting from the time of your above answer for Competition 53.]REFERENCE ANSWERS — COMPETITION 531. Part A(i) What is Hanlon's Razor?Hanlon's razor is a rule of thumb that states, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." It allows us to eliminate unlikely explanations for the behaviour of others. Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor(ii) In one or two sentences, describe the potential usefulness of applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications and exchanges.Applying Hanlon's Razor, especially to online communications, reduces the likelihood of the reader feeling paranoid about being personally attacked or victimised. This should in turn have a moderating effect, helping to curb the number of reactions that are unhelpfully defensive, hostile or otherwise escalatory. 2. Part C (i) In which institution is this painting housed?One of the most famous works by a favourite artist of mine, Otto Dix's Portrait of the Journalist Sylvia von Harden* (1926), an oil and tempera painting on wood panel. It is part of the permanent collection of the Musée National d'Art Moderne, in the Centre Pompidou in Paris. A reverse-image search may have been required here for verification purposes, although many members will no doubt have recognised the image. (ii) Post a photograph of the real-life person depicted in the painting. [It may be worth taking a bit of time with this one, and not rushing.]The above was a be-wary-with-Google-searches exercise: Encouragement to question everything, and carry out your own due diligence. A number of web sources erroneously suggest that the photo below — a 1931 image by August Sander, titled Secretary at West German Radio in Cologne — is of Von Harden: This looks to be one of the all-too-frequent cases where people assume information they've come across is correct, simply because it was posted online. They then repeat or repost without bothering to verify accuracy. And falsehoods are then given greater credence the more often they're shared by different people across multiple platforms. Through repetition alone, misinformation and disinformation can thus quickly take on the appearance, and status, of truth. ________________ Interested in also winning a packet of my favourite sweets — Rowntree's Fruit Gums ( "Take the chew challenge"), valued at £1.30? If so, complete the separate task that follows within the next three days. BONUS TASKPart D, third video[When I heard Touch for the first time, I was immediately attracted to the droning guitar at the start. Took me a good minute to identify why that sound was familiar: It's like a sped-up version of the beginning of Fever Ray's song, If I Had a Heart*.] Each time the drums in Touch kick in at 0:36, I consider changing jobs and becoming a professional air drummer instead. Because I look so effortlessly cool in my kitchen, keeping the beat with one hand, while looking out into the distance and pretend-smoking with the other hand. I become cooler than all of my imaginary friends. That is, until we get to the 1:44 mark — when my coordination suddenly resembles a newborn giraffe trying to walk. Give it a shot yourself. See if your own air-drumming skills are capable of getting you past 1:44 in the song. Having a go is the key to this task. Whether you succeed or fail is beside the point. The deadline for confirming completion of the task is 23:59 UK time on Saturday 10 September. Good luck.
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