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Visit TOKYO 🇯🇵 Japan Street Art, Galleries, Events, by met on Sept 9, 2021 15:03:13 GMT 1, Hi there, I am not sure this thread has already been open, but I am getting into the Eastern Street Art world and I can see that A LOT of money is being spent there! Unfortunately due to many issues I believe that it has always been a bit "walled off" the European / American street art phenomenon. What do you think? Who are your favorite Japanese (or other Eastern) artists at the moment?
Although based in Los Angeles and not really a street artist, it's worth checking out Alex Gardner*.
I wouldn't call myself a fan of the artist's work, but I do take an interest in it — for its stark tone and ambiguity; from a palette perspective; and especially in terms of composition, with his anonymised depictions of movement and still poses.
Personal Trainer, 2018, Seattle, Washington, USA
It could be simple, 2015
Auditions in the Frozen Food Section, 2017
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By way of anecdote, I spent a couple of enjoyable days with Gardner five summers ago. It was mainly visiting the Summer Exhibition at the Royal Academy of Arts, and neighbouring galleries (including a rather poor show by Zeus at Lazarides). But also exploring a bit of Brixton, which had been on his agenda.
At the time, probably while strolling down Savile Row, Gardner expressed a certain pride in the fact he had never once worn a suit.
I assumed his dismissiveness was down to youthful ignorance rather than careful consideration, and was pleased after later hearing the defence I put forward had struck a receptive chord.
My arguments were based on the sharp beauty of a well-cut suit, along with the subversive potential of this garment, whether for camouflage or social-infiltration purposes — all embellished with multiple references, ranging from Mod subculture to Basquiat. It was a two-pronged approach, appealing to both the vanity and spirit of rebelliousness that many of us cling to.
Hi there, I am not sure this thread has already been open, but I am getting into the Eastern Street Art world and I can see that A LOT of money is being spent there! Unfortunately due to many issues I believe that it has always been a bit "walled off" the European / American street art phenomenon. What do you think? Who are your favorite Japanese (or other Eastern) artists at the moment? Although based in Los Angeles and not really a str eet artist, it's worth checking out Alex Gardner*. I wouldn't call myself a fan of the artist's work, but I do take an interest in it — for its stark tone and ambiguity; from a palette perspective; and especially in terms of composition, with his anonymised depictions of movement and still poses. Personal Trainer, 2018, Seattle, Washington, USA It could be simple, 2015 Auditions in the Frozen Food Section, 2017 __________ By way of anecdote, I spent a couple of enjoyable days with Gardner five summers ago. It was mainly visiting the Summer Exhibition at the Royal Academy of Arts, and neighbouring galleries (including a rather poor show by Zeus at Lazarides). But also exploring a bit of Brixton, which had been on his agenda. At the time, probably while strolling down Savile Row, Gardner expressed a certain pride in the fact he had never once worn a suit. I assumed his dismissiveness was down to youthful ignorance rather than careful consideration, and was pleased after later hearing the defence I put forward had struck a receptive chord. My arguments were based on the sharp beauty of a well-cut suit, along with the subversive potential of this garment, whether for camouflage or social-infiltration purposes — all embellished with multiple references, ranging from Mod subculture to Bas quiat. It was a two-pronged approach, appealing to both the vanity and spirit of rebelliousness that many of us cling to.
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Sept 7, 2021 19:53:22 GMT 1, Nolan Porter* and Stone Foundation - Keep On Keeping On [In session on The Craig Charles Funk and Soul Show, BBC Radio 6 Music, 9 August 2014] - uploaded by Stone Foundation
Joy Division - Interzone* [The RCA Sessions, May 1978] - uploaded by cold catz
Nolan Porter* and Stone Foundation - Keep On Keeping On [In session on The Craig Charles Funk and Soul Show, BBC Radio 6 Music, 9 August 2014]- uploaded by Stone FoundationJoy Division - Interzone* [The RCA Sessions, May 1978]- uploaded by cold catz
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Sept 7, 2021 11:27:25 GMT 1, final sentence of the article - says a lot. " I’m going to focus on not feeling like a bag of shit every day." I can see where he is coming from - and hope his voice is heard more. I hope he doesn't lose his way or his mojo - seems to be the norm of late where someone , with that certain vigour, appears then disappears shortly after. Happens in art as well... as it does in life... yeah i know. Yes, I was struck by his brutal honesty and sense of awareness, very brave and inspiring to be that up front about having therapy and learning to be and deal with who you are rather than being constantly told how you are expected to be. And yes, trying not to feel like a bag of shit everyday is very good advice. Keep the faith dotdot - here's my remedy for the blues
Being conscious that:
(i) getting an edge over some 30 to 500 million others, and overtaking them all in that initial race, was a winning lottery ticket for me — a prize not to be squandered;
(ii) each of us, my fellow winners, has but a single go at finding true meaning or purpose; and
(iii) we all have an ever-decreasing number of days in which to do so,
I am highly sensitive to the dangers of poor decision-making. Including choices that lead to wasting the very limited yet also unknown amount of precious time each of us has left. Whether this be years, months or weeks.
And so, when curating video selections and posting here more generally, it is my civic duty to try to avoid wasting anyone else's time.
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What I can say hand-on-heart is that Northern Soul dance videos like yours above are pretty much always a great investment. They are worthy recommendations.
[I'm presuming the final image of Il Duce (in the last three seconds of that clip) was simply random, and not a subliminal message on your part.]
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In case you're unfamiliar with this Bristolian, check out some of the videos by Levanna McLean, also known as the Northern Soul Girl.
She received a lot of attention in 2013 when dancing on the street in Staple Hill, to Happy by Pharrell Williams versus Happy by Velvet Hammer*.
Looks like McLean transformed her entire living room into a dance floor. Now that's the kind of commitment and passion I love to witness.
There is something just so joyous, even life-affirming, when watching people having innocent fun.
[It also makes a refreshing contrast to art discussions focused on financial value — which can often sound like enthusiastic but soulless exchanges between insurance brokers or day traders.]
SOUL SHUFFLING [1:44] - uploaded by Levanna
FAST TRACK!!! (Full Speed Ahead) [1:28] - uploaded by Levanna
final sentence of the article - says a lot. " I’m going to focus on not feeling like a bag of shit every day." I can see where he is coming from - and hope his voice is heard more. I hope he doesn't lose his way or his mojo - seems to be the norm of late where someone , with that certain vigour, appears then disappears shortly after. Happens in art as well... as it does in life... yeah i know. Yes, I was struck by his brutal honesty and sense of awareness, very brave and inspiring to be that up front about having therapy and learning to be and deal with who you are rather than being constantly told how you are expected to be. And yes, trying not to feel like a bag of shit everyday is very good advice. Keep the faith dotdot - here's my remedy for the blues Being conscious that: (i) getting an edge over some 30 to 500 million others, and overtaking them all in that initial race, was a winning lottery ticket for me — a prize not to be squandered; (ii) each of us, my fellow winners, has but a single go at finding true meaning or purpose; and (iii) we all have an ever-decreasing number of days in which to do so, I am highly sensitive to the dangers of poor decision-making. Including choices that lead to wasting the very limited yet also unknown amount of precious time each of us has left. Whether this be years, months or weeks. And so, when curating video selections and posting here more generally, it is my civic duty to try to avoid wasting anyone else's time. __________ What I can say hand-on-heart is that Northern Soul dance videos like yours above are pretty much always a great investment. They are worthy recommendations. [I'm presuming the final image of Il Duce (in the last three seconds of that clip) was simply random, and not a subliminal message on your part.]__________ In case you're unfamiliar with this Bristolian, check out some of the videos by Levanna McLean, also known as the Northern Soul Girl. She received a lot of attention in 2013 when dancing on the street in Staple Hill, to Happy by Pharrell Williams versus Happy by Velvet Hammer *. Looks like McLean transformed her entire living room into a dance floor. Now that's the kind of commitment and passion I love to witness. There is something just so joyous, even life-affirming, when watching people having innocent fun. [It also makes a refreshing contrast to art discussions focused on financial value — which can often sound like enthusiastic but soulless exchanges between insurance brokers or day traders.]SOUL SHUFFLING [1:44]- uploaded by LevannaFAST TRACK!!! (Full Speed Ahead) [1:28]- uploaded by Levanna
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DRAN OG for sale 20cm x 20cm., by met on Sept 5, 2021 14:18:50 GMT 1, I am the original owner. I also have the COA from the gallery.
Looking for close to 3k.Haven't got a clue how to add images on here, not been on much since I joined in 2010! Had a go though, so hope it works. If not please PM me with your email address and I will send images that way. Open to offers. Cheers
2.5k. Dutch Auctionstylee before ebay.
In case you fail to sell here, I would avoid eBay for originals by Dran. The risk is that you may further burn your piece.
An alternative option, which would also be in Dran's greater interest, is to do some research to discover the auction houses and galleries that frequently accept the artist's work. Then get their estimates and weigh up the advantages of a consignment.
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While Dran is hit-or-miss for me, I do try to keep track of his work because he's often so imaginative and wry.
As for your specific original, to my mind, the concept isn't strong. It suffers from a cleverness deficiency.
That said, additional information could be posted to improve the chances of securing a sale.
It takes energy and time, but I always try to view things from as many vantage points as possible. For example, there may be benefits in placing yourself in the shoes of buyers, to better address their range of queries or concerns.
A. QUESTIONS A POTENTIAL BUYER MIGHT HAVE
Artwork
1. Title (if any) and date?
2. The medium looks to be marker on paper, but can this be confirmed?
3. Any idea about the type of paper, including GSM, to get a better idea of its thickness and quality?
In particular, is it fine-art paper, or just standard office supply (of the kind one might stick in a photocopying machine)?
Provenance
4. Identity and location of the source gallery?
5. Year of purchase?
6. Exhibition history for the artwork (if any)?
7. Besides the certificate of authenticity, is there any accompanying provenance documentation, like the original or emailed gallery invoice or receipt?
Framing and condition
8. Who framed the drawing? To what standard was it framed (e.g. museum standard, and therefore fully reversible)?
9. What kind of glazing has been used — e.g. glass or acrylic; UV protection or not; anti-reflective or not; manufacturer, brand and/or product name?
10. The photos show a black window mount. Could the artwork have suffered from mount burn or staining, or sun bleaching, which may only be visible if the mount is removed?
11. In what conditions was the framed artwork hung? Hopefully, out of direct sunlight.
12. What kind of adhesive was used (if any) to keep the drawing in place?
13. Have you checked the drawing for any condition issues?
Is there an option for potential buyers to inspect it in person, outside of its frame?
Price
14. When stating "close to 3k" and "2.5k", what currency are you referring to?
15. What is the sale price based on?
Notwithstanding the image-specific nature of the artist's market, are there recent sales of reference you can point to of comparable original Dran works (similar size and medium) in this price range — whether at auction, through galleries or dealers, or by private sellers?
16. Are you flexible in terms of modes of payment?
Seller and location
17. On which continent, and in which country and city, are you based?
18. Are you open to a face-to-face transaction?
19. Would personal references be available from other forum members who might have purchased art from you in the past (for reassurance regarding the smoothness and speed of those transactions, the standard of your communications, the care with which items were packed, etc.)?
B. POSSIBLE POINTS OF INTEREST ABOUT THE ARTWORK
1. Since this forum will have plenty of members who don't speak Spanish, adding a translation of the soldier's words is a natural step:
"Why are your drawings so dark?"
Spot the typo: "Porqué" should actually be "Por qué".
My understanding is that "Porque" in a single word (but without the acute accent) means "Because".
2. The double chevron on the soldier's helmet represents the rank of a corporal.
That insignia on a helmet is quite retro, reminiscent of WWII. Although I've seen this on some vintage American army helmets (albeit with their chevrons pointing upwards, US-style), I've not yet come across it being used for Spanish or French helmets.
Moreover, the chevrons on helmets I have seen were positioned at the front, not on the side. Perhaps Dran was simply exercising his creative licence, since the chevrons here also act as shading, for added depth and perspective.
3. Note Dran's use of his fingertip for shading on the ground and with the blood stains. Smudged fingerprints are clearly visible from this process.
4. The drawing seems likely to be self-referencing to some extent. Perhaps it's even a self-portrait by Dran with a soldier acting as the generic authority figure.
If so, query to what extent it's humorous and/or a sign of the artist harbouring a victim complex.
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Good luck to you with your sale. And please feel free to ignore all the above.
I am the original owner. I also have the COA from the gallery.
Looking for close to 3k.Haven't got a clue how to add images on here, not been on much since I joined in 2010! Had a go though, so hope it works. If not please PM me with your email address and I will send images that way. Open to offers. Cheers 2.5k. Dutch Auctionstylee before ebay. In case you fail to sell here, I would avoid eBay for originals by Dran. The risk is that you may further burn your piece. An alternative option, which would also be in Dr an's greater interest, is to do some research to discover the auction houses and galleries that frequently accept the artist's work. Then get their estimates and weigh up the advantages of a consignment. ________________ While Dr an is hit-or-miss for me, I do try to keep track of his work because he's often so imaginative and wry. As for your specific original, to my mind, the concept isn't strong. It suffers from a cleverness deficiency. That said, additional information could be posted to improve the chances of securing a sale. It takes energy and time, but I always try to view things from as many vantage points as possible. For example, there may be benefits in placing yourself in the shoes of buyers, to better address their range of queries or concerns. A. QUESTIONS A POTENTIAL BUYER MIGHT HAVEArtwork1. Title (if any) and date? 2. The medium looks to be marker on paper, but can this be confirmed? 3. Any idea about the type of paper, including GSM, to get a better idea of its thickness and quality? In particular, is it fine-art paper, or just standard office supply (of the kind one might stick in a photocopying machine)? Provenance4. Identity and location of the source gallery? 5. Year of purchase? 6. Exhibition history for the artwork (if any)? 7. Besides the certificate of authenticity, is there any accompanying provenance documentation, like the original or emailed gallery invoice or receipt? Framing and condition8. Who framed the drawing? To what standard was it framed (e.g. museum standard, and therefore fully reversible)? 9. What kind of glazing has been used — e.g. glass or acrylic; UV protection or not; anti-reflective or not; manufacturer, brand and/or product name? 10. The photos show a black window mount. Could the artwork have suffered from mount burn or staining, or sun bleaching, which may only be visible if the mount is removed? 11. In what conditions was the framed artwork hung? Hopefully, out of direct sunlight. 12. What kind of adhesive was used (if any) to keep the drawing in place? 13. Have you checked the drawing for any condition issues? Is there an option for potential buyers to inspect it in person, outside of its frame? Price14. When stating "close to 3k" and "2.5k", what currency are you referring to? 15. What is the sale price based on? Notwithstanding the image-specific nature of the artist's market, are there recent sales of reference you can point to of comparable original Dr an works (similar size and medium) in this price range — whether at auction, through galleries or dealers, or by private sellers? 16. Are you flexible in terms of modes of payment? Seller and location17. On which continent, and in which country and city, are you based? 18. Are you open to a face-to-face transaction? 19. Would personal references be available from other forum members who might have purchased art from you in the past (for reassurance regarding the smoothness and speed of those transactions, the standard of your communications, the care with which items were packed, etc.)? B. POSSIBLE POINTS OF INTEREST ABOUT THE ARTWORK1. Since this forum will have plenty of members who don't speak Spanish, adding a translation of the soldier's words is a natural step: "Why are your drawings so dark?"Spot the typo: "Porqué" should actually be "Por qué". My understanding is that "Porque" in a single word (but without the acute accent) means "Because". 2. The double chevron on the soldier's helmet represents the rank of a corporal. That insignia on a helmet is quite retro, reminiscent of WWII. Although I've seen this on some vintage American army helmets (albeit with their chevrons pointing upwards, US-style), I've not yet come across it being used for Spanish or French helmets. Moreover, the chevrons on helmets I have seen were positioned at the front, not on the side. Perhaps Dr an was simply exercising his creative licence, since the chevrons here also act as shading, for added depth and perspective. 3. Note Dr an's use of his fingertip for shading on the ground and with the blood stains. Smudged fingerprints are clearly visible from this process. 4. The drawing seems likely to be self-referencing to some extent. Perhaps it's even a self-portrait by Dr an with a soldier acting as the generic authority figure. If so, query to what extent it's humorous and/or a sign of the artist harbouring a victim complex. ________________ Good luck to you with your sale. And please feel free to ignore all the above.
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Sept 5, 2021 7:37:45 GMT 1,
A rather brilliant new discovery for me. Thank you for the initiation.
This song triggered my intermittent obsessive tendencies, and I've now listened to it multiple times in succession.
Even the simplicity of the title, Aye, is engaging. Likewise with the video, which calls to mind the classic one for Subterranean Homesick Blues*.
A rather brilliant new discovery for me. Thank you for the initiation. This song triggered my intermittent obsessive tendencies, and I've now listened to it multiple times in succession. Even the simplicity of the title, Aye, is engaging. Likewise with the video, which calls to mind the classic one for Subterranean Homesick Blues*.
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Sept 4, 2021 19:26:26 GMT 1, I've spent the early evening in my kitchen, learning and practising the moves in Human Touch — but sadly without platform shoes.
Singer Nick Allbrook could well be the love child of Tony Manero* and Tomata du Plenty*.
POND - Human Touch (2021) - uploaded by Pond
I've spent the early evening in my kitchen, learning and practising the moves in Human Touch — but sadly without platform shoes. Singer Nick Allbrook could well be the love child of Tony Manero* and Tomata du Plenty*. POND - Human Touch (2021)- uploaded by Pond
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Sept 4, 2021 19:20:09 GMT 1, Small prize for first person to tell me the link between this And this Both lovely tunes. Absolute tunes !! Howard Devoto was in Buzzcocks before Magazine and FYC covered the Buzzcocks classic Ever Fallen In Love.
Nicely done. Yours is by far the more definitive and correct answer.
Being familiar with Coach's taste in music, I initially assumed there'd be a Buzzcocks connection.
But I couldn't find any link, and wasn't even aware Fine Young Cannibals had covered Ever Fallen In Love.
Small prize for first person to tell me the link between this And this Both lovely tunes. Absolute tunes !! Howard Devoto was in Buzzcocks before Magazine and FYC covered the Buzzcocks classic Ever Fallen In Love. Nicely done. Yours is by far the more definitive and correct answer. Being familiar with Coach's taste in music, I initially assumed there'd be a Buzzcocks connection. But I couldn't find any link, and wasn't even aware Fine Young Cannibals had covered Ever Fallen In Love.
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Sept 4, 2021 18:54:39 GMT 1, Small prize for first person to tell me the link between this And this Both lovely tunes.
I've long been a fan of the jerky dance moves of David Steele and Andy Cox.
In the Johnny Come Home video by Fine Young Cannibals, the part I always replay starts at 2:53.
It's interesting how a simple bit of choreography can pull a music video together and give it a visual focal point.
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Regarding your welcome competition, there's an anecdotal connection I was able to find:
1. Magazine was signed with Miles Copeland's I.R.S. Records label for the US market. Howard Devoto left Magazine in 1981 to pursue solo projects, leading to the other members disbanding.
2. David Steele and Andy Cox used to be in The Beat (a.k.a. The English Beat), which broke up in 1983 but had also signed with I.R.S. for the US market.
3. Shortly after Steele and Cox formed Fine Young Cannibals with singer Roland Gift in 1984, the three of them met with Miles Copeland in a café near the offices of I.R.S. in Notting Hill, London. It was the first encounter between Copeland and Gift.
During that very meeting, Copeland apparently suggested that Steele and Cox could work with singer Howard Devoto. All of this while Gift was sitting there, listening in, and presumably a bit stunned.
4. In fairness, it's worth mentioning that Copeland has denied the story.
Sources:
The Mouth Magazine (interview with Roland Gift, published on 22 November 2017)*
Rolling Stone (article on and interview with Fine Young Cannibals, published on 5 October 1989)*
Small prize for first person to tell me the link between this And this Both lovely tunes. I've long been a fan of the jerky dance moves of David Steele and Andy Cox. In the Johnny Come Home video by Fine Young Cannibals, the part I always replay starts at 2:53. It's interesting how a simple bit of choreography can pull a music video together and give it a visual focal point. __________ Regarding your welcome competition, there's an anecdotal connection I was able to find: 1. Magazine was signed with Miles Copeland's I.R.S. Records label for the US market. Howard Devoto left Magazine in 1981 to pursue solo projects, leading to the other members disbanding. 2. David Steele and Andy Cox used to be in The Beat (a.k.a. The English Beat), which broke up in 1983 but had also signed with I.R.S. for the US market. 3. Shortly after Steele and Cox formed Fine Young Cannibals with singer Roland Gift in 1984, the three of them met with Miles Copeland in a café near the offices of I.R.S. in Notting Hill, London. It was the first encounter between Copeland and Gift. During that very meeting, Copeland apparently suggested that Steele and Cox could work with singer Howard Devoto. All of this while Gift was sitting there, listening in, and presumably a bit stunned. 4. In fairness, it's worth mentioning that Copeland has denied the story. Sources: The Mouth Magazine (interview with Roland Gift, published on 22 November 2017) *Rolling Stone (article on and interview with Fine Young Cannibals, published on 5 October 1989) *
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David Shrigley Artwork, VALUATION, by met on Aug 30, 2021 14:05:24 GMT 1, Hello, I have a David Shrigley print that I purchased many years ago from a company called 'Pictures on Walls,' but they have since closed shop. I'm trying to best determine the value of this print. The photo shows an imprint on the bottom left, which looks to be an imprint from an embosser that Pictures on Walls used. I haven't been able to find this print or any information for it anywhere online. Thank you for your time and any information you can provide on where to go from here would be greatly appreciated.
You are correct about the Pictures On Walls ("POW") embossed stamp (also known as a blind stamp or a chop).
This work is called Really Bad — the third and final David Shrigley screenprint released by POW, after Time To Choose and Bananarama. I believe it came out in 2007.
Really Bad is from an unsigned, open edition. But by the end of 2008, it also ceased being available for purchase. My understanding is the initial prints were numbered by POW, and that later copies were left unnumbered.
The price at the time was £55.00.
Screenshot of the relevant POW web page from mid-2008:
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Shrigley was an anomaly at POW in that, unlike the company's other artists, his prints were neither signed nor limited editions.
Most probably, this was at the behest of Shrigley himself, or down to restrictions he had agreed with his other representatives, notably Stephen Friedman Gallery in London.
The idea may have been to create a clear separation between Shrigley's releases through POW (unsigned, unlimited prints, but financially accessible), and his higher-end works (signed, unique or limited-edition pieces, but significantly more expensive). Such a distinction would have helped to ensure the POW prints did not undermine confidence or cause jitters within Shrigley's so-called fine art market.
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As for current financial value, the last sale I'm aware of was at Chiswick Auctions on 11 June 2021.
That print was numbered, unframed, and came with an email receipt of purchase. It seems to have hammered for £800 (£1,000 with buyer's premium)*:
In my view, for an unsigned Shrigley, the above result is somewhat on the high side. No idea how many collectors were bidding, but the winning bidder could well have been influenced by the auction house's anchoring — since the estimate was set at £1,000–£1,500.
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Additional background:
The original artwork looks to have been a drawing on paper from 2006, which was later digitally altered for the POW screenprint. See for example the number of bombs and positioning of the speech bubbles. Sorry about the small image size:
At least three landscape format versions were created as well by Shrigley, for postcard releases and other licensing purposes. Unlike the POW screenprint, the landscape format appears to be called, Untitled (Don't worry):
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Shrigley also tweeted the image on 3 December 2015, when he referred to it as "Bombing..."*:
Hindsight is notably cleverer than foresight.
Thanks everyone for sharing this information. Perhaps I can contact them directly to see about what possible authentication processes there are for prints or perhaps one of the galleries representing him to get further information as well. Thanks Again!
I would suggest that seeking official authentication of your Really Bad print is unnecessary.
It's a step unlikely to be required at present by any auction house, gallery or dealer accepting this work on consignment, due to the relatively low value and minimal risk of inauthenticity.
Hello, I have a David Shrigley print that I purchased many years ago from a company called 'Pictures on Walls,' but they have since closed shop. I'm trying to best determine the value of this print. The photo shows an imprint on the bottom left, which looks to be an imprint from an embosser that Pictures on Walls used. I haven't been able to find this print or any information for it anywhere online. Thank you for your time and any information you can provide on where to go from here would be greatly appreciated. You are correct about the Pictures On Walls (" POW") embossed stamp (also known as a blind stamp or a chop). This work is called Really Bad — the third and final David Shrigley screenprint released by POW, after Time To Choose and Bananarama. I believe it came out in 2007. Really Bad is from an unsigned, open edition. But by the end of 2008, it also ceased being available for purchase. My understanding is the initial prints were numbered by POW, and that later copies were left unnumbered. The price at the time was £55.00. Screenshot of the relevant POW web page from mid-2008: __________ Shrig ley was an anomaly at POW in that, unlike the company's other artists, his prints were neither signed nor limited editions. Most probably, this was at the behest of Shrig ley himself, or down to restrictions he had agreed with his other representatives, notably Stephen Friedman Gallery in London. The idea may have been to create a clear separation between Shrig ley's releases through POW (unsigned, unlimited prints, but financially accessible), and his higher-end works (signed, unique or limited-edition pieces, but significantly more expensive). Such a distinction would have helped to ensure the POW prints did not undermine confidence or cause jitters within Shrig ley's so-called fine art market. __________ As for current financial value, the last sale I'm aware of was at Chiswick Auctions on 11 June 2021. That print was numbered, unframed, and came with an email receipt of purchase. It seems to have hammered for £800 (£1,000 with buyer's premium) *: In my view, for an unsigned Shrig ley, the above result is somewhat on the high side. No idea how many collectors were bidding, but the winning bidder could well have been influenced by the auction house's anchoring — since the estimate was set at £1,000–£1,500. __________ Additional background:The original artwork looks to have been a drawing on paper from 2006, which was later digitally altered for the POW screenprint. See for example the number of bombs and positioning of the speech bubbles. Sorry about the small image size: At least three landscape format versions were created as well by Shrig ley, for postcard releases and other licensing purposes. Unlike the POW screenprint, the landscape format appears to be called, Untitled (Don't worry): ***Shrig ley also tweeted the image on 3 December 2015, when he referred to it as "Bombing..."*: Hindsight is notably cleverer than foresight.Thanks everyone for sharing this information. Perhaps I can contact them directly to see about what possible authentication processes there are for prints or perhaps one of the galleries representing him to get further information as well. Thanks Again! I would suggest that seeking official authentication of your Really Bad print is unnecessary. It's a step unlikely to be required at present by any auction house, gallery or dealer accepting this work on consignment, due to the relatively low value and minimal risk of inauthenticity.
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Martin Whatson - Passé, by met on Aug 22, 2021 20:52:38 GMT 1, : Passe & En Pointe. (Might consider Dancer if I can't find one or the other.) Reason: Daughter was born last month and we want to decorate her room with these prints. Feel free to DM with offers. Will be able to move quickly on the right prints. Shipping would be to NYC. Thanks!
What’s the going rate for en pointe these days? Bought an HF En Pointe this AM for 5.5 £. In other news, only looking for an HF Passe now.
A tip for anyone else interested in En Pointe by Martin Whatson:
If your budget is modest, note that dozens of snapshots of the actual model for the portrait are also available online. They can therefore be downloaded free of charge.
Notwithstanding Whatson's skills and his uncanny ability to capture likeness, I must admit having mixed feelings about this artwork, as well as the subject matter more generally.
During Michael Jackson's lifetime, the anthropomorphism that Bubbles was subject to always made me uncomfortable — forced to dress in human clothes and (at best) treated like a playmate, if not a photo-opportunity prop.
: Passe & En Pointe. (Might consider Dancer if I can't find one or the other.) Reason: Daughter was born last month and we want to decorate her room with these prints. Feel free to DM with offers. Will be able to move quickly on the right prints. Shipping would be to NYC. Thanks! What’s the going rate for en pointe these days? Bought an HF En Pointe this AM for 5.5 £. In other news, only looking for an HF Passe now. A tip for anyone else interested in En Pointe by Martin Whatson: If your budget is modest, note that dozens of snapshots of the actual model for the portrait are also available online. They can therefore be downloaded free of charge. Notwithstanding What son's skills and his uncanny ability to capture likeness, I must admit having mixed feelings about this artwork, as well as the subject matter more generally. During Michael Jackson's lifetime, the anthropomorphism that Bubbles was subject to always made me uncomfortable — forced to dress in human clothes and (at best) treated like a playmate, if not a photo-opportunity prop.
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Banksy Staycation not finished???, by met on Aug 21, 2021 6:33:40 GMT 1, Agreed, obviously not a Banksy. But on your point: "(ii) selection of the specific location (uninspired, especially being right next to non-complementary existing graffiti)" Cf.:
Thank you for the input. A couple of opening remarks:
First, I applaud your use of the conferatur abbreviation, of which I'm a fan. Second, the point you're making is fully understood.
That said, we may be in disagreement about what constitutes "complementary graffiti".
The Lowestoft kid who's created a beach area for him or herself in the middle of town is one of my favourites of the recent Banksy pieces. Whether or not the youngster is a situationist, they're clearly viewing their immediate surroundings, and possibly wider society, from a nonconformist perspective:
And to my eyes, the tagging in black spraypaint actually enhances and complements the art. It adds some contrast, ratcheting up the aggressive tone. It offers both background depth and balance. All of these enrich the work as a whole.
I would invite you to picture the child minus the tagging on the left-hand side. Now consider what effect that would have on the composition and overall impact. For me, they would be weaker.
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Contrast the above with the location of the boy fisher in Harwich, positioned beside Aroma One's well-intentioned but naff Spitfire and battleship from 2019.
The latter is a prominent, standalone mural next to which Banksy would never have painted. That's just part of the code followed by many graffiti writers and artists, which the uninitiated are often oblivious of — i.e. you find your own space:
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Lastly, a supposition to mull over:
Although the scrawling next to the Lowestoft kid might look like a random mess to the average viewer, there's a pretty sophisticated hand behind it. A hand that is well-versed in spraypainting techniques — applying different movement speeds, cap angles, and distances from the wall:
See too what appears to have been the use of a spray bottle for added texture, similar to what is already visible on the child's top:
And so, not only is this tagging arguably integral to the artwork, on the balance of probabilities, I'd say it was done by Banksy himself or one of his team.
Agreed, obviously not a Banksy. But on your point: "(ii) selection of the specific location (uninspired, especially being right next to non-complementary existing graffiti)" Cf.: Thank you for the input. A couple of opening remarks: First, I applaud your use of the conferatur abbreviation, of which I'm a fan. Second, the point you're making is fully understood. That said, we may be in disagreement about what constitutes "complementary graffiti". The Lowestoft kid who's created a beach area for him or herself in the middle of town is one of my favourites of the recent Banksy pieces. Whether or not the youngster is a situationist, they're clearly viewing their immediate surroundings, and possibly wider society, from a nonconformist perspective: And to my eyes, the tagging in black spraypaint actually enhances and complements the art. It adds some contrast, ratcheting up the aggressive tone. It offers both background depth and balance. All of these enrich the work as a whole. I would invite you to picture the child minus the tagging on the left-hand side. Now consider what effect that would have on the composition and overall impact. For me, they would be weaker. __________ Contrast the above with the location of the boy fisher in Harwich, positioned beside Aroma One's well-intentioned but naff Spitfire and battleship from 2019. The latter is a prominent, standalone mural next to which Ban ksy would never have painted. That's just part of the code followed by many graffiti writers and artists, which the uninitiated are often oblivious of — i.e. you find your own space: __________ Lastly, a supposition to mull over:Although the scrawling next to the Lowestoft kid might look like a random mess to the average viewer, there's a pretty sophisticated hand behind it. A hand that is well-versed in spraypainting techniques — applying different movement speeds, cap angles, and distances from the wall: See too what appears to have been the use of a spray bottle for added texture, similar to what is already visible on the child's top: And so, not only is this tagging arguably integral to the artwork, on the balance of probabilities, I'd say it was done by Ban ksy himself or one of his team.
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Banksy Staycation not finished???, by met on Aug 20, 2021 1:25:01 GMT 1, Good waste of public funds. No, they did well, that one is actually by Banksy.
Tendring District Council could be applauded for its prompt "just in case" approach.
At least the council learned from its cockup in 2014, when it destroyed the Migrants Not Welcome stencil painting at Clacton-on-Sea*:
However, what's also clear with the security protecting the boy fisher in Harwich is that the decision-makers at Tendring still lack an eye for identifying Banksy works. Or perhaps just identifying and then dismissing non-Banksy works.
That isn't their fault, of course. Council members probably have day-to-day interests and priorities other than street art. Moreover, the "Banksy-style" nature of the new painting will suffice to fool many laypersons:
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But the aspect that interests me most with your post is its self-assured tone — i.e. the confidence with which a statement is being asserted as fact, with zero hedging or qualifying language.
If sincere, on what basis are you confirming the boy fisher to be a Banksy?
My own position would be the opposing one. Because for the painting to be genuine, I believe Banksy would have had to outsource pretty much everything here to less talented and less astute associates.
That would include:
(i) actual concept creation (the resulting piece and underlying idea are rather unfunny, if not dull, and thematically "late to the party");
(ii) selection of the specific location (uninspired, especially being right next to non-complementary existing graffiti);
(iii) selection of the work's physical placement (ill-judged in height, given the lack of added elements around the feet to enhance depth or perspective; and poor overall wall composition);
(iv) execution of the stencil (rather amateurish by current Banksy standards, or not engagingly-amateurish enough);
(v) process of spraypainting (moderate to low-level technical skill demonstrated; an unconvincing glow effect with the white paint; and a final aesthetic that is too dissimilar to any of Banksy's characteristic styles); and
(vi) choice of timing of the artwork's creation and public reveal (post-Spraycation video release, and therefore anticlimactic in PR terms, like some clumsy afterthought).
Such an extreme degree of delegating by Banksy would conflict with the artist's modus operandi, along with his typical quality-control requirements. And it seems implausible to me that this would be allowed to occur in practice.
Good waste of public funds. No, they did well, that one is actually by Banksy.
Tendring District Council could be applauded for its prompt "just in case" approach. At least the council learned from its co ckup in 2014, when it destroyed the Migrants Not Welcome stencil painting at Clacton-on-Sea*: However, what's also clear with the security protecting the boy fisher in Harwich is that the decision-makers at Tendring still lack an eye for identifying Banksy works. Or perhaps just identifying and then dismissing non-Banksy works. That isn't their fault, of course. Council members probably have day-to-day interests and priorities other than str eet art. Moreover, the "Banksy-style" nature of the new painting will suffice to fool many laypersons: __________ But the aspect that interests me most with your post is its self-assured tone — i.e. the confidence with which a statement is being asserted as fact, with zero hedging or qualifying language. If sincere, on what basis are you confirming the boy fisher to be a Ban ksy? My own position would be the opposing one. Because for the painting to be genuine, I believe Ban ksy would have had to outsource pretty much everything here to less talented and less astute associates. That would include: (i) actual concept creation (the resulting piece and underlying idea are rather unfunny, if not dull, and thematically "late to the party"); (ii) selection of the specific location (uninspired, especially being right next to non-complementary existing graffiti); (iii) selection of the work's physical placement (ill-judged in height, given the lack of added elements around the feet to enhance depth or perspective; and poor overall wall composition); (iv) execution of the stencil (rather amateurish by current Ban ksy standards, or not engagingly-amateurish enough); (v) process of spraypainting (moderate to low-level technical skill demonstrated; an unconvincing glow effect with the white paint; and a final aesthetic that is too dissimilar to any of Ban ksy's characteristic styles); and (vi) choice of timing of the artwork's creation and public reveal (post- Spraycation video release, and therefore anticlimactic in PR terms, like some clumsy afterthought). Such an extreme degree of delegating by Ban ksy would conflict with the artist's modus operandi, along with his typical quality-control requirements. And it seems implausible to me that this would be allowed to occur in practice.
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New Banksy?, by met on Aug 17, 2021 21:14:13 GMT 1, World's gone mad 😂😂😂 Banksy not wanted but cover up is, for criminal damage. Laughable
A criminal damage investigation into the whitewashing is certainly ironic, when bearing in mind Banksy's origins.
But I myself would not describe this as the world having gone mad. Because it makes perfect sense to me, especially when considered from the perspective of Lowestoft and its residents.
The professional status and cultural significance Banksy has built up over the years means his unsanctioned interventions have broadly ceased to be viewed as vandalism — whether by the general populace, its elected representatives, or the authorities.
Indeed, the opposite would be true. More often than not, Banksy's street pieces are now looked upon as surprise "gifts" to the relevant neighbourhoods. And, crucially, gifts that are very much welcomed. They generate interest and promote civic engagement. They shift the status quo, by adding value rather than taking away from it.
And so, when these artworks are defaced or destroyed, there is an identifiable loss that provides the foundation for a criminal damage case.
Regardless of any misgivings some individuals may have on the subject of what street art or graffiti "should be about", this is the current reality when it comes to Banksy. Specifically, his interventions are treated as the exception. The position he holds is pretty unique.
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Try placing yourself in the shoes of a struggling business just coming out of lockdown in Lowestoft. Like, say, a retail shop, hotel, bed & breakfast, restaurant, café or bar.
Next, imagine the impact of a new Banksy piece suddenly popping up nearby.
It might well be a lifeline. Possibly even a godsend — attracting day visitors and tourists; re-energising an entire community after the Covid-19 restrictions; helping to bring people together again; offering locals some pride in the fact their town had become a talking point and was momentarily in the international spotlight.
To my mind, the cocktail-drinking rat, cleverly positioned beneath the beach drain pipe, was artistically strong enough to have become a notable cultural landmark for the area.
Whether as a morale booster or simply in terms of potential tourism revenue, the artwork probably had more value to Lowestoft than if Banksy had offered the town 25 gold bars weighing 1kg apiece.
Now imagine what a depressing comedown it must have been for business owners and residents when they discovered the rat was covered over. And so pointlessly as well, to the detriment of the commons. Simply for reasons of petty envy or spite by one individual.
My hope is that the painting can be restored.
As you posted an ITV News headline, I in turn found another article by the same outlet. Please see below.
The video therein is recommended — if only to listen to the winsome elderly lady with the embroidered black top, starting at 0:47. For me, her comment about "some brainless cretin" offered a perfect assessment of the situation:
www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-08-15/council-condemns-mindless-and-selfish-behaviour-after-banksy-mural-vandalised
World's gone mad 😂😂😂 Banksy not wanted but cover up is, for criminal damage. Laughable
A criminal damage investigation into the whitewashing is certainly ironic, when bearing in mind Banksy's origins. But I myself would not describe this as the world having gone mad. Because it makes perfect sense to me, especially when considered from the perspective of Lowestoft and its residents. The professional status and cultural significance Ban ksy has built up over the years means his unsanctioned interventions have broadly ceased to be viewed as vandalism — whether by the general populace, its elected representatives, or the authorities. Indeed, the opposite would be true. More often than not, Ban ksy's street pieces are now looked upon as surprise "gifts" to the relevant neighbourhoods. And, crucially, gifts that are very much welcomed. They generate interest and promote civic engagement. They shift the status quo, by adding value rather than taking away from it. And so, when these artworks are defaced or destroyed, there is an identifiable loss that provides the foundation for a criminal damage case. Regardless of any misgivings some individuals may have on the subject of what str eet art or gra ffiti "should be about", this is the current reality when it comes to Ban ksy. Specifically, his interventions are treated as the exception. The position he holds is pretty unique. __________ Try placing yourself in the shoes of a struggling business just coming out of lockdown in Lowestoft. Like, say, a retail shop, hotel, bed & breakfast, restaurant, café or bar. Next, imagine the impact of a new Ban ksy piece suddenly popping up nearby. It might well be a lifeline. Possibly even a godsend — attracting day visitors and tourists; re-energising an entire community after the Covid-19 restrictions; helping to bring people together again; offering locals some pride in the fact their town had become a talking point and was momentarily in the international spotlight. To my mind, the cocktail-drinking rat, cleverly positioned beneath the beach drain pipe, was artistically strong enough to have become a notable cultural landmark for the area. Whether as a morale booster or simply in terms of potential tourism revenue, the artwork probably had more value to Lowestoft than if Ban ksy had offered the town 25 gold bars weighing 1kg apiece. Now imagine what a depressing comedown it must have been for business owners and residents when they discovered the rat was covered over. And so pointlessly as well, to the detriment of the commons. Simply for reasons of petty envy or spite by one individual. My hope is that the painting can be restored. As you posted an ITV News headline, I in turn found another article by the same outlet. Please see below. The video therein is recommended — if only to listen to the winsome elderly lady with the embroidered black top, starting at 0:47. For me, her comment about "some brainless cretin" offered a perfect assessment of the situation: www.itv.com/news/anglia/2021-08-15/council-condemns-mindless-and-selfish-behaviour-after-banksy-mural-vandalised
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New Banksy?, by met on Aug 16, 2021 19:01:04 GMT 1, Can you be charged for criminal damage, for painting over someone else's criminal damage? Madness.
While appreciating yours may have been a rhetorical question, it covers a point of interest to me.
Under the Criminal Damage Act 1971, the courts of England and Wales are given some discretion as to what constitutes "damage".
In most if not all cases at this stage of his career, it seems unlikely that unauthorised street pieces created by Banksy would be construed by the courts as damage. Since the financial value of the properties, and arguably their cultural value, would probably be enhanced rather than diminished.
But when Banksy street pieces are later defaced or destroyed, the resulting loss of property value incurred by the relevant owners (whether private or public) could indeed warrant criminal damage charges.
Using the same arguments, my position would be that Banksy can no longer technically be described as a "vandal".
Nor can any of his street works over the past decade or so, even if they were unsanctioned, now be referred to with accuracy as "vandalism".
Can you be charged for criminal damage, for painting over someone else's criminal damage? Madness. While appreciating yours may have been a rhetorical question, it covers a point of interest to me. Under the Criminal Damage Act 1971, the courts of England and Wales are given some discretion as to what constitutes "damage". In most if not all cases at this stage of his career, it seems unlikely that unauthorised street pieces created by Banksy would be construed by the courts as damage. Since the financial value of the properties, and arguably their cultural value, would probably be enhanced rather than diminished. But when Ban ksy street pieces are later defaced or destroyed, the resulting loss of property value incurred by the relevant owners (whether private or public) could indeed warrant criminal damage charges. Using the same arguments, my position would be that Ban ksy can no longer technically be described as a "vandal". Nor can any of his street works over the past decade or so, even if they were unsanctioned, now be referred to with accuracy as "vandalism".
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New Banksy?, by met on Aug 16, 2021 17:28:31 GMT 1, The rat lacks detail (fur) to me.
Given:
(i) the level of technical skill demonstrated in the execution of this piece;
(ii) the random and pointless copying of an old, recognisable Banksy rat graphic; and
(iii) (notwithstanding a wine-box piece having been used as the substrate) the muddled thought process and conceptual incoherence of combining that graphic with the "tree" text,
St Mary's Church in Rickinghall, Suffolk may actually be displaying an original Mason Storm painting.
Well done to the curator of the Rickinghall Art Exhibition, Caroline Davidson.
If she auctions the work after the show is over, it might raise as much as £3.50. Or even £5.00.
And this may be enough for the owner (Mason Storm?) to purchase another wine box on eBay — which could then be used as a container for returning their art supplies back to storage.
The rat lacks detail (fur) to me. Given: (i) the level of technical skill demonstrated in the execution of this piece; (ii) the random and pointless copying of an old, recognisable Ban ksy rat graphic; and (iii) (notwithstanding a wine-box piece having been used as the substrate) the muddled thought process and conceptual incoherence of combining that graphic with the "tree" text, St Mary's Church in Rickinghall, Suffolk may actually be displaying an original Mason Storm painting. Well done to the curator of the Rickinghall Art Exhibition, Caroline Davidson. If she auctions the work after the show is over, it might raise as much as £3.50. Or even £5.00. And this may be enough for the owner (Mason St orm?) to purchase another wine box on eB ay — which could then be used as a container for returning their art supplies back to storage.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Aug 11, 2021 17:37:12 GMT 1, Have had these for a while, but finally got around to frame them. [...] Johnny Abrahams
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Your "broken flail piece" was touched on two years ago in a separate Johnny Abrahams thread*.
It looks to me like a Julie Nelson* ceramic.
For my own continuing education, I'd be grateful for confirmation as to whether that's correct.
Have had these for a while, but finally got around to frame them. [...] Johnny Abrahams maxamaxa2Your "broken flail piece" was touched on two years ago in a separate Johnny Abrahams thread *. It looks to me like a Julie Nelson* ceramic. For my own continuing education, I'd be grateful for confirmation as to whether that's correct.
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Successful Cover Songs, by met on Jul 31, 2021 18:35:14 GMT 1, An excuse to post the excellent Volkswagen Polo Confidence advertisement** from 2008, along with the soulful vocals of Steve Winwood from the original song in 1967.
Charlie Winston - I'm A Man (2008) - uploaded by marksautovideos
Spencer Davis Group - I'm A Man (1967) - uploaded by Peter Checksfield
An excuse to post the excellent Volkswagen Polo Confidence advertisement ** from 2008, along with the soulful vocals of Steve Winwood from the original song in 1967. Charlie Winston - I'm A Man (2008)- uploaded by marksautovideosSpencer Davis Group - I'm A Man (1967)- uploaded by Peter Checksfield
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Damien Hirst NFT "The Currency", by met on Jul 31, 2021 7:05:15 GMT 1, Someone on discord compressed the larger file (made it smaller) to fit the “frame” tv.[...]
Query if the colours might even be improved on a Sony Bravia* LCD television*.
It is the type of image I'd normally contemplate while listening to pleasant background music. A soft guitar-based cover version of this song could be ideal:
The Knife - Heartbeats (2002) - uploaded by The Knife
Someone on discord compressed the larger file (made it smaller) to fit the “frame” tv.[...] Query if the colours might even be improved on a Sony Bravia* LCD television *. It is the type of image I'd normally contemplate while listening to pleasant background music. A soft guitar-based cover version of this song could be ideal: The Knife - Heartbeats (2002)- uploaded by The Knife
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The Connor Brothers 🇬🇧 Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Jul 29, 2021 19:21:12 GMT 1,
With the popularity of The Connor Brothers artwork, do you think this is a good investment for the future?They are receiving a lot of attention in the media & have Maddox’s full backing. I have a couple of prints that I have purchased at a decent level, as they appeal to my taste. However,I don’t want to lose my investment on them long term & ultimately want a return from them. Interested to hear other people’s opinions…..
Long term, impostor artists tend to make for rather poor investments.
Short term, your opportunities are greater.
But if you do chose to play investing games with works by the Connor Brothers, I would advise keeping a close and constant eye on the market. Because its foundation is largely without substance.
Therefore, to a disproportionate extent, what you'd be betting on is perception based on continuing collector ignorance. And a shift — from oblivious optimism to a broader 'emperor's new clothes' awakening — risks occurring at any moment.
If and when that happens, there are strong chances of a pyramid-scheme-style collapse of the Connor Brothers' market. I genuinely believe it's only a matter of time. This is one reason why I frequently mock their output and otherwise try to encourage collectors to think twice or thrice before buying.
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Out of interest, why did you delete your post requesting the opinions of other members?
From a forum perspective, the act of deleting can lead to threads becoming frustratingly incoherent.
From an individual perspective, I often feel it comes across as wishy-washy or even a bit spineless.
Just stumbled upon this forum as I bought my first piece last week and obviously do not pretend to know anything about art. People bashing on TCB are entitled to their opinion but the market is much larger than an online forum and I'd wager 95% of the people who own a TCB piece or would consider buying one in the future are not on this forum. Hell, all my mates in banking / hedge funds / private equity really loved the TCB piece that I sent them and some are now looking to get TCB art for themselves! I work in finance and obviously do not want to lose all my £3.2k spent on the limited edition print that I bought but in the meanwhile I plan to enjoy it in my living room. Which one did you pay £3.2k for? The Connor Brothers get slated on here because they are hacks. Their popular pieces use other people's art, apparently without permission or payment, and slap famous quotes on it. They then release countless variations of that image. BUT, they are smart hacks. The pieces they produce are easy to enjoy, because the book covers they reappropriate are great images and the quotes are snappy, and they know how to market themselves well (because they've worked in the art industry for years). They're not so much artists as genius marketing men. I own one Connor Brothers piece, having sold my others long ago, and I really like it. It's 'If You've Got A Skeleton In Your Closet'. I think it looks great on my wall, but I still think they're hacks and I totally get why people hate them.
And also without attribution — going as far as covering up the signatures of the original artists and illustrators. That seems both shameful and cynical to me.
I suspect a not insubstantial proportion of the Connor Brothers' collector base believes they actually painted the femme fatale and other characters themselves. Which of course is very convenient for the Connor Brothers.
Purple 'I Don't Want To Go To Heaven None Of My Friends Are There' - hand embellished edition of 20. Super helpful comment - thank you for explaining. I can appreciate why people 'in the know' do not rate them. I am not so well versed in this and my impression was that they are good guys also doing some nice work with Calm... Again, this is the first piece of art I have bought but at the end of the day for me - if I like it, I am buying it. I am probably looking to add 2 smaller TCB pieces next to the one I have, not sure how it will look but have to educate myself a bit more first.
THE CONNOR BROTHERS RECIPE
1. Steal somebody else's artwork. [Robert Maguire, 1961]
2. Steal somebody else's quote. [Associated with Wilde, but probably misattributed.]
3. Mix with a dash of Photoshop.
4. Presto and voilà!
Now print off endless copies, sign as your own, and sell to the ignorant or undiscerning.
They do really good work for charity and they deserve full respect for that, whatever people think of their art. I don't think there's any doubt they care about their causes.And being 'in the know' or not doesn't really matter (I wouldn't say I'm in the know). If you're buying something because you like it, then great. What other people think of it is neither here nor there. And you picked probably their most popular image, so good choice.
Agreed.
What I do sense, however, is that the charity element is also used by them as a shield against criticism for their opportunistic thieving.
Moreover, regarding their donated works, it isn't especially difficult to be generous with other people's art.
We too could start selling our own limited edition memes based on giclée copies of paintings by, say, Hieronymus Bosch, Goya or Van Gogh. And if we then gave the sale proceeds to a charitable cause, that would be fantastic. But in doing so, it wouldn't feel to me like we were making much of a personal sacrifice deserving of great praise.
With the popularity of The Connor Brothers artwork, do you think this is a good investment for the future?They are receiving a lot of attention in the media & have Maddox’s full backing. I have a couple of prints that I have purchased at a decent level, as they appeal to my taste. However,I don’t want to lose my investment on them long term & ultimately want a return from them. Interested to hear other people’s opinions….. Long term, impostor artists tend to make for rather poor investments. Short term, your opportunities are greater. But if you do chose to play investing games with works by the Connor Brothers, I would advise keeping a close and constant eye on the market. Because its foundation is largely without substance. Therefore, to a disproportionate extent, what you'd be betting on is perception based on continuing collector ignorance. And a shift — from oblivious optimism to a broader 'emperor's new clothes' awakening — risks occurring at any moment. If and when that happens, there are strong chances of a pyramid-scheme-style collapse of the Con nor Brothers' market. I genuinely believe it's only a matter of time. This is one reason why I frequently mock their output and otherwise try to encourage collectors to think twice or thrice before buying. __________ Out of interest, why did you delete your post requesting the opinions of other members? From a forum perspective, the act of deleting can lead to threads becoming frustratingly incoherent. From an individual perspective, I often feel it comes across as wishy-washy or even a bit spineless. Just stumbled upon this forum as I bought my first piece last week and obviously do not pretend to know anything about art. People bashing on TCB are entitled to their opinion but the market is much larger than an online forum and I'd wager 95% of the people who own a TCB piece or would consider buying one in the future are not on this forum. Hell, all my mates in banking / hedge funds / private equity really loved the TCB piece that I sent them and some are now looking to get TCB art for themselves! I work in finance and obviously do not want to lose all my £3.2k spent on the limited edition print that I bought but in the meanwhile I plan to enjoy it in my living room. Which one did you pay £3.2k for? The Connor Brothers get slated on here because they are hacks. Their popular pieces use other people's art, apparently without permission or payment, and slap famous quotes on it. They then release countless variations of that image. BUT, they are smart hacks. The pieces they produce are easy to enjoy, because the book covers they reappropriate are great images and the quotes are snappy, and they know how to market themselves well (because they've worked in the art industry for years). They're not so much artists as genius marketing men. I own one Connor Brothers piece, having sold my others long ago, and I really like it. It's 'If You've Got A Skeleton In Your Closet'. I think it looks great on my wall, but I still think they're hacks and I totally get why people hate them. And also without attribution — going as far as covering up the signatures of the original artists and illustrators. That seems both shameful and cynical to me. I suspect a not insubstantial proportion of the Con nor Brothers' collector base believes they actually painted the femme fatale and other characters themselves. Which of course is very convenient for the Con nor Brothers. Purple 'I Don't Want To Go To Heaven None Of My Friends Are There' - hand embellished edition of 20. Super helpful comment - thank you for explaining. I can appreciate why people 'in the know' do not rate them. I am not so well versed in this and my impression was that they are good guys also doing some nice work with Calm... Again, this is the first piece of art I have bought but at the end of the day for me - if I like it, I am buying it. I am probably looking to add 2 smaller TCB pieces next to the one I have, not sure how it will look but have to educate myself a bit more first. THE CONNOR BROTHERS RECIPE1. Steal somebody else's artwork. [Robert Maguire, 1961]2. Steal somebody else's quote. [Associated with Wilde, but probably misattributed.]3. Mix with a dash of Photoshop.4. Presto and voilà!Now print off endless copies, sign as your own, and sell to the ignorant or undiscerning. They do really good work for charity and they deserve full respect for that, whatever people think of their art. I don't think there's any doubt they care about their causes.And being 'in the know' or not doesn't really matter (I wouldn't say I'm in the know). If you're buying something because you like it, then great. What other people think of it is neither here nor there. And you picked probably their most popular image, so good choice. Agreed. What I do sense, however, is that the charity element is also used by them as a shield against criticism for their opportunistic thieving. Moreover, regarding their donated works, it isn't especially difficult to be generous with other people's art. We too could start selling our own limited edition memes based on giclée copies of paintings by, say, Hieronymus Bosch, Goya or Van Gogh. And if we then gave the sale proceeds to a charitable cause, that would be fantastic. But in doing so, it wouldn't feel to me like we were making much of a personal sacrifice deserving of great praise.
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Successful Cover Songs, by met on Jul 29, 2021 16:42:17 GMT 1,
Petite Meller - Joe Le Taxi (2012) - uploaded by PETITEOFFICIAL
Vanessa Paradis - Joe Le Taxi (1987) - uploaded by Vanessa Paradis
Petite Meller - Joe Le Taxi (2012)- uploaded by PETITEOFFICIALVanessa Paradis - Joe Le Taxi (1987)- uploaded by Vanessa Paradis
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For Sales Thread Improvements , by met on Jul 16, 2021 22:43:50 GMT 1, Perhaps already a few months ago, the forum settings were altered.
Certain text that we type or paste into our posts is switched to different text as soon as we click the 'Create Post' button.
This has presumably been done through the 'Censored Words' section in the Admin Control Panel:
Each time they're posted by members, specified letter combinations and words, previously added to a Censored Word column, are now automatically changed to other words or phrases listed in a corresponding Replacement Word column.
The above facility offered by ProBoards is very helpful when used judiciously. It can, for example, help to prevent members from being at the receiving end of racial slurs.
Here, however, the impact of some additions to the Censored Word list wasn't fully thought through or stress tested beforehand. Moreover, there's also been a retroactive modification of the text in historical posts.
To the extent they happen to include letter combinations or words added to the Censored Word list, what has resulted from a number of these automated changes is:
(i) the corruption of URLs and BBCodes (for posted websites, photos, etc.);
(ii) the altering of forum member usernames; and
(iii) sentences within posts being rendered nonsensical.
Perhaps a reversal, back to the status quo ante, could be considered for some of these changes to the forum settings.
SAMPLE ILLUSTRATIONS:
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Censored Word: WTS Replacement Word: Want to Sell
Example of the practical impact:
"GLWTS" (the initialism for "Good luck with the sale") automatically changed to "GLWant to Sell"*
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Censored Word: fs Replacement Word: For Sale
Examples of the practical impact:
2.1 Image URL for a posted photo, i.ibb.co/hWPfsb7/IMG-8057.jpg, automatically changed (and thus corrupted) to i.ibb.co/hWPFor Saleb7/IMG-8057.jpg*
2.2 Username of @slangofslang automatically changed to slangoFor Salelang*
2.3 Username of @sufsean automatically changed to suFor Saleean*
2.4 Username of Fsgallery2011 (an abbreviation of Freedom Street Gallery 2011) automatically changed to For Salegallery2011*
2.5 "knock offs" automatically changed to "knock ofFor Sale"*
2.6 "one offs" automatically changed to "one ofFor Sale"*
2.7 "offset" (an offset lithograph) automatically changed to "ofFor Saleet"*
2.8 "beliefs" automatically changed to "belieFor Sale"*
2.9 "proofs" (as in printer's proofs, test proofs, studio proofs, etc.) automatically changed to "prooFor Sale"**
2.10 The UK furniture retailer, DFS, automatically changed to "DFor Sale"*
2.11 The cereal, Cocoa Puffs, automatically changed to "Cocoa PufFor Sale"*
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Censored Word: iso Replacement Word: In Search of
Example of the practical impact:
The Amsterdam club, Paradiso, automatically changed (unless immediately followed by a punctuation mark) to "ParadIn Search of"*
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Censored Word: bme Replacement Word: Bomb Middle England
Examples of the practical impact:
4.1 Username @submethod automatically changed to suBomb Middle Englandthod*
4.2 Username @bmerel automatically changed to Bomb Middle Englandrel*
Perhaps already a few months ago, the forum settings were altered. Certain text that we type or paste into our posts is switched to different text as soon as we click the 'Create Post' button. This has presumably been done through the 'Censored Words' section in the Admin Control Panel: Each time they're posted by members, specified letter combinations and words, previously added to a Censored Word column, are now automatically changed to other words or phrases listed in a corresponding Replacement Word column. The above facility offered by ProBoards is very helpful when used judiciously. It can, for example, help to prevent members from being at the receiving end of racial slurs. Here, however, the impact of some additions to the Censored Word list wasn't fully thought through or stress tested beforehand. Moreover, there's also been a retroactive modification of the text in historical posts. To the extent they happen to include letter combinations or words added to the Censored Word list, what has resulted from a number of these automated changes is: (i) the corruption of URLs and BBCodes (for posted websites, photos, etc.); (ii) the altering of forum member usernames; and (iii) sentences within posts being rendered nonsensical. Perhaps a reversal, back to the status quo ante, could be considered for some of these changes to the forum settings. SAMPLE ILLUSTRATIONS:1. Censored Word: WTSReplacement Word: Want to SellExample of the practical impact: "GLWTS" (the initialism for "Good luck with the sale") automatically changed to "GLWant to Sell"*2.Censored Word: fsReplacement Word: For SaleExamples of the practical impact: 2.1 Image URL for a posted photo, i.ibb.co/hWPfsb7/IMG-8057.jpg, automatically changed (and thus corrupted) to i.ibb.co/hWPFor Saleb7/IMG-8057.jpg*2.2 Username of @slangofslang automatically changed to slangoFor Salelang*2.3 Username of @sufsean automatically changed to suFor Saleean*2.4 Username of Fsgallery2011 (an abbreviation of Freedom Street Gallery 2011) automatically changed to For Salegallery2011*2.5 "knock offs" automatically changed to "knock ofFor Sale"*2.6 "one offs" automatically changed to "one ofFor Sale"*2.7 "offset" (an off set lithograph) automatically changed to "ofFor Saleet"*2.8 "beliefs" automatically changed to "belieFor Sale"*2.9 "proofs" (as in printer's proof s, test proof s, studio proof s, etc.) automatically changed to "prooFor Sale"**2.10 The UK furniture retailer, DF S, automatically changed to "DFor Sale"*2.11 The cereal, Cocoa Puff s, automatically changed to "Cocoa PufFor Sale"*3. Censored Word: isoReplacement Word: In Search ofExample of the practical impact: The Amsterdam club, Paradis o, automatically changed (unless immediately followed by a punctuation mark) to "ParadIn Search of"*4. Censored Word: bmeReplacement Word: Bomb Middle EnglandExamples of the practical impact: 4.1 Username @submethod automatically changed to suBomb Middle Englandthod*4.2 Username @bmerel automatically changed to Bomb Middle Englandrel*
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Cauty Vs War boutique , by met on Jul 16, 2021 12:28:59 GMT 1, Thanks for all the comments. Interesting read with this mornings coffee. I love this forum, always learn a lot of new things about the artists. I’m going to see what deals I can pull as I have both options available to me. I like the idea of owning number 1 from WB but I must agree with the above post that the execution of it looking flawless isn’t there but then the newer cauty riot shields have huge numbers (unlimited) so that’s the only thing putting me off. But I think a better piece to look at.. helllppppp hahah
For the avoidance of doubt in case it wasn't clear, the top image in my previous post is by War Boutique (not James Cauty).
The work was released this year as an edition of 10, and priced at £1,250.00.*
Thanks for all the comments. Interesting read with this mornings coffee. I love this forum, always learn a lot of new things about the artists. I’m going to see what deals I can pull as I have both options available to me. I like the idea of owning number 1 from WB but I must agree with the above post that the execution of it looking flawless isn’t there but then the newer cauty riot shields have huge numbers (unlimited) so that’s the only thing putting me off. But I think a better piece to look at.. helllppppp hahah For the avoidance of doubt in case it wasn't clear, the top image in my previous post is by War Boutique (not James Cau ty). The work was released this year as an edition of 10, and priced at £1,250.00. *
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Cauty Vs War boutique , by met on Jul 16, 2021 1:34:59 GMT 1, Been looking at purchasing a ‘smiley’ riot shield. I have located a #1 of 2 war boutique in glow in the dark and I have also been offered a cauty version… both with COA and signed ect. Now from doing a little research I believe war boutique thought of this idea first? I can’t unfortunately get both but what one would you guys and girls go for?… Looking to learn a little more from this thread, I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable. Many thanks Rob I would go for the original War Boutique, although I haven't seen what the glow in the dark version looks like. Jimmy Cauty's shields are now an open edition, so don't buy secondary unless it's cheaper. I also prefer to own something more limited. Yeah I’m thinking the same. The design is no different, but the war boutique one glows in the dark, which is kinda cool. It’s number 1 of 2 which is also nice. Yeah I noticed that it’s a open edition now, not sure i like that. I think I’m answering my own post now haha 😂
Don't know whether it was, "War Boutique thought of this idea first" — or if it might be more accurate just to say, "This was War Boutique's idea".
Either way, you're correct about War Boutique preceding. He exhibited Smile (edition of 2) at his solo show at Andipa Gallery in London during the summer of 2011. See page 28 of the catalogue here*.
By James Cauty's own account, "Jimmy Cauty made the first Smiley Riot Shields in 2012 for the Occupy St Pauls eviction".*
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As for what shield to purchase, I'd go with War Boutique, but not the original glow-in-the-dark version.
My strong preference is the artist's 2021 version — Smile (Mellow Yellow), an edition of 10 currently available at Laz Emporium for £1,250.00*.
The historical interest of an early piece would in this case be less important to me than owning the better artwork.
And in terms of design, competence of execution, choice of medium and overall aesthetic, the artist's 2021 police riot shield (below, top) is more impressive to my eyes than the amateurish 2011 original (below, bottom).
Been looking at purchasing a ‘smiley’ riot shield. I have located a #1 of 2 war boutique in glow in the dark and I have also been offered a cauty version… both with COA and signed ect. Now from doing a little research I believe war boutique thought of this idea first? I can’t unfortunately get both but what one would you guys and girls go for?… Looking to learn a little more from this thread, I know a lot of you are very knowledgeable. Many thanks Rob I would go for the original War Boutique, although I haven't seen what the glow in the dark version looks like. Jimmy Cauty's shields are now an open edition, so don't buy secondary unless it's cheaper. I also prefer to own something more limited. Yeah I’m thinking the same. The design is no different, but the war boutique one glows in the dark, which is kinda cool. It’s number 1 of 2 which is also nice. Yeah I noticed that it’s a open edition now, not sure i like that. I think I’m answering my own post now haha 😂 Don't know whether it was, "War Boutique thought of this idea first" — or if it might be more accurate just to say, "This was War Boutique's idea". Either way, you're correct about War Boutique preceding. He exhibited Smile (edition of 2) at his solo show at Andipa Gallery in London during the summer of 2011. See page 28 of the catalogue here *. By James Cauty's own account, "Jimmy Cauty made the first Smiley Riot Shields in 2012 for the Occupy St Pauls eviction". *__________ As for what shield to purchase, I'd go with War Boutique, but not the original glow-in-the-dark version. My strong preference is the artist's 2021 version — Smile (Mellow Yellow), an edition of 10 currently available at Laz Emporium for £1,250.00 *. The historical interest of an early piece would in this case be less important to me than owning the better artwork. And in terms of design, competence of execution, choice of medium and overall aesthetic, the artist's 2021 police riot shield (below, top) is more impressive to my eyes than the amateurish 2011 original (below, bottom).
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Invader Alert 2020 Print, by met on Jul 14, 2021 19:30:36 GMT 1, photo below was from urbanwear post on March 18th. He went to the museum and seemly anyone attending could enter the waiting list.
What kind of impact will so many variants have on the R number?
photo below was from urbanwear post on March 18th. He went to the museum and seemly anyone attending could enter the waiting list. What kind of impact will so many variants have on the R number?
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by met on Jul 14, 2021 12:14:05 GMT 1, Anyone shed any light on the radar rat... i thought they were all signed... low ed.. some random number. ..and were they not a tad on the small side ? I only ever remember foundation had one - bit then that was a long time ago. never seen one in auction or on the bay or... even at laz when he was selling early on .. remember trollies at 5k and everyone laughed ? oh i know .. met - thoughts please ? perhaps not your normal ask - what is the story on this print ?
The edition number of the unsigned Radar Rat hammering at £110,000 (Lot 9) at yesterday's sale* at Forum Auctions was hidden from online viewers:
But the colour and distribution of the spraypaint offers confirmation that the same piece hammered at £15,000 (Lot 294) at Forum Auctions on 6 July 2017* — as previously discussed here*.
Regarding origin, the most likely explanation to me is that the artwork was erroneously dispatched unsigned by Pictures On Walls, as edition number 16/75.
When the mistake was later discovered, different options were available, including an ex post facto signing by Banksy. It seems the option selected was instead to change the '7' to a '2', and thereby create a new unsigned edition of 25.
My guess is that 16/25 is perhaps the sole unsigned Radar Rat in public circulation.
Anyone shed any light on the radar rat... i thought they were all signed... low ed.. some random number. ..and were they not a tad on the small side ? I only ever remember foundation had one - bit then that was a long time ago. never seen one in auction or on the bay or... even at laz when he was selling early on .. remember trollies at 5k and everyone laughed ? oh i know .. met - thoughts please ? perhaps not your normal ask - what is the story on this print ? The edition number of the unsigned Radar Rat hammering at £110,000 (Lot 9) at yesterday's sale * at Forum Auctions was hidden from online viewers: But the colour and distribution of the spraypaint offers confirmation that the same piece hammered at £15,000 (Lot 294) at Forum Auctions on 6 July 2017 * — as previously discussed here *. Regarding origin, the most likely explanation to me is that the artwork was erroneously dispatched unsigned by Pictures On Walls, as edition number 16/75. When the mistake was later discovered, different options were available, including an ex post facto signing by Ban ksy. It seems the option selected was instead to change the '7' to a '2', and thereby create a new unsigned edition of 25. My guess is that 16/25 is perhaps the sole unsigned Radar Rat in public circulation.
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Damien Hirst NFT or Original , by met on Jul 14, 2021 10:29:14 GMT 1,
While I'm not especially interested in the forum poll, thank you very much for uploading this Financial Times video.
Damien Hirst is someone who's consistently been worth listening to. His questions are just as thoughtful as his answers, which is something I always take note of. And he doesn't disappoint here.
An aspect revealed in the video is that, as with the artist's spot paintings, on any individual "currency", no two colours are the same.
For the benefit of those who aren't familiar with Hirst's interlocutor, Mark Carney is the former Governor of the Bank of Canada (2008–2013) and former Governor of the Bank of England (2013–2020).
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Video details added below, in case the above YouTube link is for whatever reason later taken down:
Damien Hirst and Mark Carney discuss the artist’s new hybrid NFT project ‘The Currency’ - uploaded by FT Reporter Clips on 13 July 2021
While I'm not especially interested in the forum poll, thank you very much for uploading this Financial Times video. Damien Hirst is someone who's consistently been worth listening to. His questions are just as thoughtful as his answers, which is something I always take note of. And he doesn't disappoint here. An aspect revealed in the video is that, as with the artist's spot paintings, on any individual "currency", no two colours are the same. For the benefit of those who aren't familiar with Hi rst's interlocutor, Mark Carney is the former Governor of the Bank of Canada (2008–2013) and former Governor of the Bank of England (2013–2020). __________ Video details added below, in case the above You Tube link is for whatever reason later taken down: Damien Hirst and Mark Carney discuss the artist’s new hybrid NFT project ‘The Currency’- uploaded by FT Reporter Clips on 13 July 2021
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Liu Yan - New giclée prints , by met on Jul 6, 2021 19:28:25 GMT 1,
This chimp is a chump.
He's a pretentious clown staring at a fake.
The base of Comedian should resemble that of an 'X' (not a plus symbol), with the duct tape positioned at a 45° angle.
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This chimp is a chump. He's a pretentious clown staring at a fake. The base of Comedian should resemble that of an 'X' ( not a plus symbol), with the duct tape positioned at a 45° angle. versus
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Space Invader FRAMED, by met on Jul 3, 2021 13:14:54 GMT 1,
My curiosity has been piqued. Could you tell us about the accident to your maidservant's left hand? I reckon it was a car door, or a bear. Good guesses, but we're in California. A run-in with a mountain lion...
Ah yes, typical.
In my neck of the woods, we use the term "cougars".
Many years ago, a former acquaintance of mine named Cark had a similar run-in with a couple of them. For him, it happened after last call on a Friday night. He and the cougars piled back to his place and ended up getting naked and playing 'Truth or Dare'. Apparently, the game was good fun at first — revelatory, even inspiring. But as the alcohol continued to flow, things quickly got out of hand. Literally.
Cark's pinky was placed in a glass of cold milk, in preparation for later reattachment by microsurgery. Sadly, however, he waited too long (over 12 hours). It was the weekend and he initially didn't want to cause a fuss. The doctor also confirmed that, rather than milk, it would have been preferable just to use gauze wrap, a watertight bag, and some ice.
A friend of Cark named Brian (whom I never met) apparently used to borrow the severed digit afterwards. With his hands in his overcoat pockets, Brian would approach schoolchildren and ask them to guess how many fingers he had. My understanding is that he successfully completed around 100 of these faux-impromptu street performances over the course of two months.
The various reactions by kids to the grand "reveal" were generally foreseeable. But sometimes people can surprise you. And unfortunately for Brian, matters escalated during his final show when he was stabbed to death by a 14-year-old who had been carrying a concealed sharpened screwdriver.
Ever since then, the pinky has been locked up in a police evidence room. Thankfully, Cark isn't too bothered. He is a vegetarian, and the finger had in fact started to take on the appearance and odour of a desiccated Chicken McNugget.
Someone recently informed me that Cark is now telling people he lost his finger to gangrene during a challenging climb of Kula Kangri.
Despite my issue of principle with this deceit, I do sympathise with his plight. The truth used to evoke awkward pity or mild disdain from others. Whereas the feedback to his white lie is presumably more one of admiration.
My guess would have been an unpaid gambling debt My curiosity has been piqued. Could you tell us about the accident to your maidservant's left hand? I reckon it was a car door, or a bear.
Very good. That is the rare kind of showing off I can appreciate and admire.
A similar thought did cross my mind, along with the prospect that the Urban Art Association may have an oyabun as one of its members.
However, I discounted this possibility due to the absence of visible tattoos on the left shoulder and arm area of the photographer (whom I assume is set0312) — as reflected in the frame's glazing.
My curiosity has been piqued. Could you tell us about the accident to your maidservant's left hand? I reckon it was a car door, or a bear. Good guesses, but we're in California. A run-in with a mountain lion... Ah yes, typical. In my neck of the woods, we use the term "cougars". Many years ago, a former acquaintance of mine named Cark had a similar run-in with a couple of them. For him, it happened after last call on a Friday night. He and the cougars piled back to his place and ended up getting naked and playing 'Truth or Dare'. Apparently, the game was good fun at first — revelatory, even inspiring. But as the alcohol continued to flow, things quickly got out of hand. Literally. Cark's pinky was placed in a glass of cold milk, in preparation for later reattachment by microsurgery. Sadly, however, he waited too long (over 12 hours). It was the weekend and he initially didn't want to cause a fuss. The doctor also confirmed that, rather than milk, it would have been preferable just to use gauze wrap, a watertight bag, and some ice. A friend of Cark named Brian (whom I never met) apparently used to borrow the severed digit afterwards. With his hands in his overcoat pockets, Brian would approach schoolchildren and ask them to guess how many fingers he had. My understanding is that he successfully completed around 100 of these faux-impromptu street performances over the course of two months. The various reactions by kids to the grand "reveal" were generally foreseeable. But sometimes people can surprise you. And unfortunately for Brian, matters escalated during his final show when he was stabbed to death by a 14-year-old who had been carrying a concealed sharpened screwdriver. Ever since then, the pinky has been locked up in a police evidence room. Thankfully, Cark isn't too bothered. He is a vegetarian, and the finger had in fact started to take on the appearance and odour of a desiccated Chicken McNugget. Someone recently informed me that Cark is now telling people he lost his finger to gangrene during a challenging climb of Kula Kangri. Despite my issue of principle with this deceit, I do sympathise with his plight. The truth used to evoke awkward pity or mild disdain from others. Whereas the feedback to his white lie is presumably more one of admiration. My guess would have been an unpaid gambling debt My curiosity has been piqued. Could you tell us about the accident to your maidservant's left hand? I reckon it was a car door, or a bear. Very good. That is the rare kind of showing off I can appreciate and admire. A similar thought did cross my mind, along with the prospect that the Ur ban Art Association may have an oyabun as one of its members. However, I discounted this possibility due to the absence of visible tattoos on the left shoulder and arm area of the photographer (whom I assume is set0312) — as reflected in the frame's glazing.
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Space Invader FRAMED, by met on Jul 2, 2021 21:23:41 GMT 1, Finally got this framed up. I think I prefer it to my blue and white sunset? Am I crazy?
My curiosity has been piqued.
Could you tell us about the accident to your maidservant's left hand?
I reckon it was a car door, or a bear.
Finally got this framed up. I think I prefer it to my blue and white sunset? Am I crazy? My curiosity has been piqued. Could you tell us about the accident to your maidservant's left hand? I reckon it was a car door, or a bear.
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