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Blok ๐ฌ๐ง, by met on Jun 30, 2021 21:03:01 GMT 1, Spotted on London Bridge this afternoon, not fallen into the hype yet but thought you freaks might be interested x
Awesome.
The linework is made to look so effortless.
I've added some close-up photos below.
They reveal more clearly the artist's hand technique, and the skill required to create a piece on this level.
Spotted on London Bridge this afternoon, not fallen into the hype yet but thought you freaks might be interested x Awesome. The linework is made to look so effortless. I've added some close-up photos below. They reveal more clearly the artist's hand technique, and the skill required to create a piece on this level.
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Banksy โข Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by met on Jun 29, 2021 18:42:34 GMT 1, Well, that was a quick result.
I see the seller has already parted ways with the Urban Art Association โ at least under the guise of @buckets101 / Mohammed123.
Monkey โ Provided you agree this gesture of immediately deleting their account was an implied admission of guilt by a fraudster who was selling fakes to members of this forum, perhaps you would be kind enough to share with us their name and contact details, including PayPal address.
This may help to lower the risk of other members getting conned if that same individual later reappears under a different username.
Well, that was a quick result. I see the seller has already parted ways with the Ur ban Art Association โ at least under the guise of @ buckets101 / Mohammed123. Monkey โ Provided you agree this gesture of immediately deleting their account was an implied admission of guilt by a fraudster who was selling fakes to members of this forum, perhaps you would be kind enough to share with us their name and contact details, including PayPal address. This may help to lower the risk of other members getting conned if that same individual later reappears under a different username.
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Banksy โข Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by met on Jun 29, 2021 18:06:43 GMT 1, Hey, Chiming in on that thread as I bought the previous box he sold here I'm sure the seller is of good faith but this did not went really well for me I had to open a Paypal claim, here's a copy paste of it and some pictures If you decide to proceed, make sure to use Paypal goods / services or protection FYI, the seller did not answer anything to the claim and I had my money back (minus customs charges) GLWTS Hey all I bought an art piece to the seller on Jan 6th 2021 and it was sent to me by the seller on Jan 9th 2021 (tracking number XXXXX). It arrived to my place on Jan 18th but it was not packed correctly inside and some pieces broke. I reported this to the seller through private messages (see transcript for pictures). The seller reacted fast and kindly proposed to send the damaged pieces for free, which I agreed. Replacement pieces were sent by the seller on Feb 1st (tracking number lXXXXX) and arrived to my home on Feb 19th. Once again the pieces were not packed properly and 2 of 3 pieces were damaged / broken (see pictures in transcript). I reported this to the seller, sent multiple messages / email (see email transcript) but haven't really heard back. On March 5th, I mentionned that I may start a Paypal reclaim and on March 6th, the seller answered that he'll be happy to send replacement once again, which I agreed one more time as I really wanted to get that art piece complete at home and to let a new chance to the seller. Since that moment and despite multiple emails, haven't heard back I'll prefer closing the deal now due to the lack of reactivity of the seller I'll be happy to send all pieces back and get refunded the full amount of the purchase The transcript is extracted from the Urban Art Association forum, I also included two screenshots of the forum message box. Will be happy to share my credentials if someone want to check the messages with the seller. Let me know if you need anything else Best What's the total number of box sets you received? Undamaged pieces ? 0.5 I'd say. In total, I've been sent a complete boxset (which concrete arrived broken and damaged the internal frame and print) and 3 replacement pieces in a second parcel: print (torn), internal frame (broken), concrete piece (ok). I'm still missing an undamaged print and the internal frame.At the end of the day, I have an undamaged piece of concrete and the external white frame First concrete broke in dust and pieces (see pictures), the replacement was ok First back print has been damaged by the broken concrete pieces, the replacement is torn (see pictures) First internal frame had been scratched and damaged by the broken concrete pieces, the replacement broke again (see pictures)
How can you be sure the seller is of good faith?
Your certainty on this point feels unwarranted to me. The reference to "Replacement pieces" sounds like a red flag in and of itself.
For ease of reference, I've copy-pasted the seller's posts from the earlier thread you mentioned:
urbanartassociation.com/thread/169213/banksy-boxset
price is 1200 usd,with free shipping.
The damaged-goods aspect of this case is arguably of secondary importance.
Of greater interest to me is what gave you the confidence you were buying an authentic Banksy box set in the first place.
Even factoring in minor discrepancies that can occur between various print runs, the image quality of the work(s) in the photos above is noticeably inferior to other box sets I've come across online.
The top image below is a detail from one of @buckets101's photos (after straightening). The bottom image is a detail from another box set that was offered via an auction website*.
Spot the differences:
Hey, Chiming in on that thread as I bought the previous box he sold here I'm sure the seller is of good faith but this did not went really well for me I had to open a Paypal claim, here's a copy paste of it and some pictures If you decide to proceed, make sure to use Paypal goods / services or protection FYI, the seller did not answer anything to the claim and I had my money back (minus customs charges) GLWTS Hey all I bought an art piece to the seller on Jan 6th 2021 and it was sent to me by the seller on Jan 9th 2021 (tracking number XXXXX). It arrived to my place on Jan 18th but it was not packed correctly inside and some pieces broke. I reported this to the seller through private messages (see transcript for pictures). The seller reacted fast and kindly proposed to send the damaged pieces for free, which I agreed. Replacement pieces were sent by the seller on Feb 1st (tracking number lXXXXX) and arrived to my home on Feb 19th. Once again the pieces were not packed properly and 2 of 3 pieces were damaged / broken (see pictures in transcript). I reported this to the seller, sent multiple messages / email (see email transcript) but haven't really heard back. On March 5th, I mentionned that I may start a Paypal reclaim and on March 6th, the seller answered that he'll be happy to send replacement once again, which I agreed one more time as I really wanted to get that art piece complete at home and to let a new chance to the seller. Since that moment and despite multiple emails, haven't heard back I'll prefer closing the deal now due to the lack of reactivity of the seller I'll be happy to send all pieces back and get refunded the full amount of the purchase The transcript is extracted from the Urban Art Association forum, I also included two screenshots of the forum message box. Will be happy to share my credentials if someone want to check the messages with the seller. Let me know if you need anything else Best What's the total number of box sets you received? Undamaged pieces ? 0.5 I'd say. In total, I've been sent a complete boxset (which concrete arrived broken and damaged the internal frame and print) and 3 replacement pieces in a second parcel: print (torn), internal frame (broken), concrete piece (ok). I'm still missing an undamaged print and the internal frame.At the end of the day, I have an undamaged piece of concrete and the external white frame First concrete broke in dust and pieces (see pictures), the replacement was ok First back print has been damaged by the broken concrete pieces, the replacement is torn (see pictures) First internal frame had been scratched and damaged by the broken concrete pieces, the replacement broke again (see pictures) How can you be sure the seller is of good faith? Your certainty on this point feels unwarranted to me. The reference to "Replacement pieces" sounds like a red flag in and of itself. For ease of reference, I've copy-pasted the seller's posts from the earlier thread you mentioned: urbanartassociation.com/thread/169213/banksy-boxset price is 1200 usd,with free shipping. The damaged-goods aspect of this case is arguably of secondary importance. Of greater interest to me is what gave you the confidence you were buying an authentic Ban ksy box set in the first place. Even factoring in minor discrepancies that can occur between various print runs, the image quality of the work(s) in the photos above is noticeably inferior to other box sets I've come across online. The top image below is a detail from one of @buckets101's photos (after straightening). The bottom image is a detail from another box set that was offered via an auction website *. Spot the differences:
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Iness Kaplun, Original Painting, 1/1 "Blue Temptation", by met on Jun 27, 2021 18:19:15 GMT 1, [...] Artist: Iness Kaplun - Original Painting - 1/1 - "Blue Temptation" - Gallery Piece - Mixed Media/Collage/Epoxy. Exhibited at various galleries and shows in the United States and Europe. Looks absolutely amazing in real life!! Very rich and expensive contemporary look. I don't have a fancy camera, the photos were taken using my cell phone. Asking price $2,600 the price that I originally paid for it - www.inesskaplun.com/untitled-c14akLooks absolutely amazing in real life!! Very rich and expensive contemporary look. I don't have a fancy camera, the photos were taken using my cell phone. Please see artists website, it has this painting and the sale price on it. www.invaluable.com/artist/kaplun-iness-dfekwesgxh/sold-at-auction-prices/Signed by artist in front and back of Artwork. Numbered Artwork - BT 01 2436 03222020. Certificate of Authenticity COA included. Size: Hight: 24 inches; Width: 36 inches. The comics inside the lips glow in the dark/blacklight. Heavy wood frame.
Granted, I've not seen it in person. However, the images alone are sufficient.
This is a conceptually-muddled, poorly-executed work of saccharine hideousness.
Worse than Martin Whatson. Worse than Mr. Brainwash.
It is the type of purchase that novice collectors risk making, when they're highly enthusiastic yet still seriously ignorant. They see a piece, albeit in a vacuum โ at a time when their experiences with art remain limited. Without the benefit of broader points of reference, they just aren't in a position to fully recognise if works happen to be trite, derivative, or even poorly executed.
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My recommendation would be for you to go on a 12 to 18-month art purchase ban.
During that interval, be aggressively proactive. Expose yourself to far, far more art โ both in volume and variety. Preferably in person, but also online. Read up on the subject, including art history and art criticism. Get serious about training your eye.
Afterwards, when looking back at the paintings on Iness Kaplun's website, I'm almost certain you'll find yourself asking, "What was I thinking?"
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While appreciating this post could be misinterpreted as gratuitously rude, I confirm that isn't my intent.
The goal is to assist fellow collectors on this forum (especially potential buyers), by offering practical advice and commentary โ hopefully expressed in a straightforward, candid manner, i.e. with minimal reliance on patronising euphemisms.
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For the benefit of other members, I've added below some further examples of mixed-media works created by "New York Pop Art artist", Iness Kaplun.
www.inesskaplun.com/untitled-c14ak
[...] Artist: Iness Kaplun - Original Painting - 1/1 - "Blue Temptation" - Gallery Piece - Mixed Media/Collage/Epoxy. Exhibited at various galleries and shows in the United States and Europe. Looks absolutely amazing in real life!! Very rich and expensive contemporary look. I don't have a fancy camera, the photos were taken using my cell phone. Asking price $2,600 the price that I originally paid for it - www.inesskaplun.com/untitled-c14akLooks absolutely amazing in real life!! Very rich and expensive contemporary look. I don't have a fancy camera, the photos were taken using my cell phone. Please see artists website, it has this painting and the sale price on it. www.invaluable.com/artist/kaplun-iness-dfekwesgxh/sold-at-auction-prices/Signed by artist in front and back of Artwork. Numbered Artwork - BT 01 2436 03222020. Certificate of Authenticity COA included. Size: Hight: 24 inches; Width: 36 inches. The comics inside the lips glow in the dark/blacklight. Heavy wood frame. Granted, I've not seen it in person. However, the images alone are sufficient. This is a conceptually-muddled, poorly-executed work of saccharine hideousness. Worse than Martin Whatson. Worse than Mr. Brainwash. It is the type of purchase that novice collectors risk making, when they're highly enthusiastic yet still seriously ignorant. They see a piece, albeit in a vacuum โ at a time when their experiences with art remain limited. Without the benefit of broader points of reference, they just aren't in a position to fully recognise if works happen to be trite, derivative, or even poorly executed. __________ My recommendation would be for you to go on a 12 to 18-month art purchase ban. During that interval, be aggressively proactive. Expose yourself to far, far more art โ both in volume and variety. Preferably in person, but also online. Read up on the subject, including art history and art criticism. Get serious about training your eye. Afterwards, when looking back at the paintings on Iness Kaplun's website, I'm almost certain you'll find yourself asking, "What was I thinking?"__________ While appreciating this post could be misinterpreted as gratuitously rude, I confirm that isn't my intent. The goal is to assist fellow collectors on this forum (especially potential buyers), by offering practical advice and commentary โ hopefully expressed in a straightforward, candid manner, i.e. with minimal reliance on patronising euphemisms. __________ For the benefit of other members, I've added below some further examples of mixed-media works created by "New York Pop Art artist", Iness Kaplun. www.inesskaplun.com/untitled-c14ak
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Successful Cover Songs, by met on Jun 26, 2021 7:44:59 GMT 1, Hereโs an interesting (I hope) tangent for this thread metIโm fond of Dave Brubeck. Iโm also very fond of the Stranglers. I heard this, and naturally was surprised to find out that the Stranglers song Golden Brown was a cover version Well, of course it isnโt. It seems (thanks to my eldestโs brief research) that some clever techy type person has made this video, such that it appears that Brubeck played this song. So Iโm claiming the first posthumous cover version for this thread.
Cheers for posting.
I became familiar with this clip last year through the magic, or sorcery, of YouTube algorithms.
It's well-executed. An enjoyable listen and watch.
The man who put together the video, Laurence Mason, provided details of the background and how it was done in his YouTube description:
A little tribute to Dave Greenfield (keyboardist with The Stranglers who died with Covid-19 last week) and Paul Desmond (saxophonist with the Dave Brubeck quartet - the anniversary of his death is at the end of this month). Also because I've been enjoying editing videos and recording stuff over the last couple of months.
A couple of people have asked how I made this video so here we go - I took a clip from a 1964 live version of Take Five (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9Eh8wNMkw) and made the drum loop by chopping up the intro and turning it from 5/4 into the 3/4 - 4/4 groove that Golden Brown has. The upright bass sound is sequenced from Logic, and the piano part was played in using one of the piano sounds from a Nord Electro 5D. Then I played the sax part over the top (I play a King Zephyr alto and for this I used a hard rubber Yanigasawa mouthpiece rather than my usual bright Guardala). The video was then edited using the clip I'd taken the drum loop from.
[Regarding the technical explanation in the second paragraph, I remember going over it at least twice. Only later did I realise that, each time while reading, I would unconsciously (i.e. unthinkingly) nod my head โ as if to say, "Mm-hmm, yes, of course."
But if someone had then asked me to explain in different words what I just read, or challenge me on any aspect of the information I was (at least implicitly) agreeing with, my mind would have gone blank. A vacuous expression is all I'd have been left with.
I suspect this kind of phenomenon is not uncommon. It may include scenarios where individuals, almost instinctively and often with little hesitation, embrace positions on complex socio-political issues on the basis of single-sided, superficial, emotive and/or flawed arguments. One can reasonably assume the risk is greater for those who find themselves in echo chambers or filter bubbles.]
Hereโs an interesting (I hope) tangent for this thread metIโm fond of Dave Brubeck. Iโm also very fond of the Stranglers. I heard this, and naturally was surprised to find out that the Stranglers song Golden Brown was a cover version Well, of course it isnโt. It seems (thanks to my eldestโs brief research) that some clever techy type person has made this video, such that it appears that Brubeck played this song. So Iโm claiming the first posthumous cover version for this thread. Cheers for posting. I became familiar with this clip last year through the magic, or sorcery, of You Tube algorithms. It's well-executed. An enjoyable listen and watch. The man who put together the video, Laurence Mason, provided details of the background and how it was done in his You Tube description: A little tribute to Dave Greenfield (keyboardist with The Stranglers who died with Covid-19 last week) and Paul Desmond (saxophonist with the Dave Brubeck quartet - the anniversary of his death is at the end of this month). Also because I've been enjoying editing videos and recording stuff over the last couple of months.
A couple of people have asked how I made this video so here we go - I took a clip from a 1964 live version of Take Five (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9Eh8wNMkw) and made the drum loop by chopping up the intro and turning it from 5/4 into the 3/4 - 4/4 groove that Golden Brown has. The upright bass sound is sequenced from Logic, and the piano part was played in using one of the piano sounds from a Nord Electro 5D. Then I played the sax part over the top (I play a King Zephyr alto and for this I used a hard rubber Yanigasawa mouthpiece rather than my usual bright Guardala). The video was then edited using the clip I'd taken the drum loop from.[Regarding the technical explanation in the second paragraph, I remember going over it at least twice. Only later did I realise that, each time while reading, I would unconsciously (i.e. unthinkingly) nod my head โ as if to say, "Mm-hmm, yes, of course."
But if someone had then asked me to explain in different words what I just read, or challenge me on any aspect of the information I was (at least implicitly) agreeing with, my mind would have gone blank. A vacuous expression is all I'd have been left with.
I suspect this kind of phenomenon is not uncommon. It may include scenarios where individuals, almost instinctively and often with little hesitation, embrace positions on complex socio-political issues on the basis of single-sided, superficial, emotive and/or flawed arguments. One can reasonably assume the risk is greater for those who find themselves in echo chambers or filter bubbles.]
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Successful Cover Songs, by met on Jun 25, 2021 12:03:43 GMT 1, Pixies - In Heaven (Live at Rodon Club, Athens, Greece, 19 May 1989) - uploaded by cobyblack
Pixies - In Heaven (Live at The Paradise, Boston, Massachusetts, 8 August 2005) - uploaded by cobyblack
For anyone with a similar fixation on the song, alternative Pixies versions can be viewed in a January 2015 post here.
Lady In The Radiator - In Heaven (1976โ77) - uploaded by Susanne Thuv
Pixies - In Heaven (Live at Rodon Club, Athens, Greece, 19 May 1989)- uploaded by cobyblackPixies - In Heaven (Live at The Paradise, Boston, Massachusetts, 8 August 2005)- uploaded by cobyblackFor anyone with a similar fixation on the song, alternative Pixies versions can be viewed in a January 2015 post here. Lady In The Radiator - In Heaven (1976โ77)- uploaded by Susanne Thuv
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Jun 23, 2021 15:02:10 GMT 1, Thin Lizzy vs Pixies - The Boys Are Back In Heaven (2011 mashup) - uploaded by PhilRetroSpector
Thin Lizzy vs Pixies - The Boys Are Back In Heaven (2011 mashup) - uploaded by PhilRetroSpector
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Bambi ๐ฌ๐ง Street Art โข Print Release โข Art For Sale, by met on Jun 23, 2021 14:20:17 GMT 1, Just spotted this thread and decided to indulge in a session of rubbernecking. __________ Your post caught my eye because I've never witnessed an informed person who genuinely predicted Bambi would be the next Banksy. If you have a specific example in mind, I'd be interested to check it out, if only to see who made such a claim. The closest thing I'm aware of was Bam bi's representatives cynically resorting to marketing puffery โ by always referring to her as "the female Banksy". That catchy tagline was then often parroted by lazy, ignorant and/or dishonest journalists, online content creators, and resellers of Bam bi artwork. In other words, by nobody whose assessment of the artist was ever worth taking seriously. She was unfortunately (for her own good) introduced with that moniker (the female Banksy) in a BBC service, and then that was repeated by the press (to her own detriment). I believe that that โtitleโ did not help her muchโฆ
I'm always happy to be proven wrong. As a truth-seeker, the motivation is more about getting it right than being right.
Which BBC service in particular?
It's a point of interest to me, because the BBC is one of the platforms I had in my crosshairs when stating above that reference to "the female Banksy" was parroted by lazy, ignorant and/or dishonest journalists.
I myself don't believe the clickbait comparison to Banksy was coined by or originated with the BBC. Instead, like many others (including CNN, The Guardian and The Daily Mail), the BBC appears to have just allowed itself to be used โ by echoing, uncritically and without fact-checking, a PR tagline it was fed. And in doing so, the corporation also contributed to a fake-news snowball effect: It further bolstered the perceived accuracy of coattail-riding guff that was originally conceived by Bambi's own representatives.
Even references that are more cautiously worded, such as "Dubbed 'the female Banksy'", are misleading half-truths at best.
The same applies for the list of purported Bambi-collecting celebrities that the likes of Walton Fine Arts and Lenny Villa (Bambi's ex-manager) would spout ad nauseum to whomever listened. There were blatant lies as well, like Villa's claims in 2013* that Bambi is an international pop star who's sold millions of records, or that her paintings were selling "for anything up to ยฃ100,000."
Everybody can be deceived. And quite often with great ease. When falsehoods are repeated enough times, especially by multiple sources, they start to become viewed as facts. Marketing 101.
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Our opinions differ on the subject of how valuable "the female Banksy" has been to Bambi.
From what I've witnessed, that easily-memorable, forced association with a famous, talented artist โ one who commands exceptional levels of media and public interest โ has been terrifically successful for Bambi. This, in terms of press attention it has garnered, perception of artistic credibility (again, by association, at least in the eyes of novice or otherwise uninformed collectors), and the presumably increased number of primary and secondary-market sales resulting therefrom.
I would argue that "the female Banksy" has been a parasitic lifeline for Bambi.
She and her dealers have been dining on it for a good decade now. And seemingly without shame.
Just spotted this thread and decided to indulge in a session of rubbernecking. __________ Your post caught my eye because I've never witnessed an informed person who genuinely predicted Bambi would be the next Banksy. If you have a specific example in mind, I'd be interested to check it out, if only to see who made such a claim. The closest thing I'm aware of was Bam bi's representatives cynically resorting to marketing puffery โ by always referring to her as "the female Banksy". That catchy tagline was then often parroted by lazy, ignorant and/or dishonest journalists, online content creators, and resellers of Bam bi artwork. In other words, by nobody whose assessment of the artist was ever worth taking seriously. She was unfortunately (for her own good) introduced with that moniker (the female Banksy) in a BBC service, and then that was repeated by the press (to her own detriment). I believe that that โtitleโ did not help her muchโฆ I'm always happy to be proven wrong. As a truth-seeker, the motivation is more about getting it right than being right. Which BBC service in particular? It's a point of interest to me, because the BBC is one of the platforms I had in my crosshairs when stating above that reference to "the female Banksy" was parroted by lazy, ignorant and/or dishonest journalists. I myself don't believe the clickbait comparison to Ban ksy was coined by or originated with the BBC. Instead, like many others (including CNN, The Guardian and The Daily Mail), the BBC appears to have just allowed itself to be used โ by echoing, uncritically and without fact-checking, a PR tagline it was fed. And in doing so, the corporation also contributed to a fake-news snowball effect: It further bolstered the perceived accuracy of coattail-riding guff that was originally conceived by Bam bi's own representatives. Even references that are more cautiously worded, such as "Dubbed 'the female Banksy'", are misleading half-truths at best. The same applies for the list of purported Bam bi-collecting celebrities that the likes of Walton Fine Arts and Lenny Villa (Bam bi's ex-manager) would spout ad nauseum to whomever listened. There were blatant lies as well, like Villa's claims in 2013 * that Bam bi is an international pop star who's sold millions of records, or that her paintings were selling "for anything up to ยฃ100,000."Everybody can be deceived. And quite often with great ease. When falsehoods are repeated enough times, especially by multiple sources, they start to become viewed as facts. Marketing 101. __________ Our opinions differ on the subject of how valuable "the female Banksy" has been to Bam bi. From what I've witnessed, that easily-memorable, forced association with a famous, talented artist โ one who commands exceptional levels of media and public interest โ has been terrifically successful for Bam bi. This, in terms of press attention it has garnered, perception of artistic credibility (again, by association, at least in the eyes of novice or otherwise uninformed collectors), and the presumably increased number of primary and secondary-market sales resulting therefrom. I would argue that "the female Banksy" has been a parasitic lifeline for Bam bi. She and her dealers have been dining on it for a good decade now. And seemingly without shame.
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Bambi ๐ฌ๐ง Street Art โข Print Release โข Art For Sale, by met on Jun 21, 2021 14:13:12 GMT 1, This is so bad I can't believe people were predicting she'd be the next Banksy...
Just spotted this thread and decided to indulge in a session of rubbernecking.
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Your post caught my eye because I've never witnessed an informed person who genuinely predicted Bambi would be the next Banksy.
If you have a specific example in mind, I'd be interested to check it out, if only to see who made such a claim.
The closest thing I'm aware of was Bambi's representatives cynically resorting to marketing puffery โ by always referring to her as "the female Banksy".
That catchy tagline was then often parroted by lazy, ignorant and/or dishonest journalists, online content creators, and resellers of Bambi artwork. In other words, by nobody whose assessment of the artist was ever worth taking seriously.
This is so bad I can't believe people were predicting she'd be the next Banksy... Just spotted this thread and decided to indulge in a session of rubbernecking. __________ Your post caught my eye because I've never witnessed an informed person who genuinely predicted Bambi would be the next Banksy. If you have a specific example in mind, I'd be interested to check it out, if only to see who made such a claim. The closest thing I'm aware of was Bam bi's representatives cynically resorting to marketing puffery โ by always referring to her as "the female Banksy". That catchy tagline was then often parroted by lazy, ignorant and/or dishonest journalists, online content creators, and resellers of Bam bi artwork. In other words, by nobody whose assessment of the artist was ever worth taking seriously.
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Peter Kennard ๐ฌ๐ง Political Photomontage โข Print Release , by met on Jun 21, 2021 5:33:49 GMT 1,
Has he just signed left over copies of Photo OP to flog off? ๐ค I think itโs a signed open edition
Correct, and apparently sourced "from the depths of the store cupboard"*.
Well thats a bit of a money grab. Classic image but even if you paid me I wouldn't put that on my wall. Imagine having to look at Blair each day ๐คฎ With respect, it isnโt. Provided people know what they are buying, itโs absolutely fine. In fact, itโs to be applauded. Itโs a way for well known artists to make their work available to the majority of people. Itโs signed by both artists. Itโs not numbered. Itโs a bargain for a signed piece by artists of this calibre. Moreover, working artists need to make a living. Artists who can sell their work for huge sums are few and far between. I sympathise with your comments about Blair. But I do have this piece framed and displayed. Well my post struck a cord ๐
Photo OP was originally sold as a limited edition. And I believe if an image is sold that way it's poor form to resell the same print as an open edition. Though I'm sure some have jumped at the chance to purchase what is a classic image. It's just not for me. You make a fair argument goose.
The art world would likely agree if this were indeed the same print โ because it would transgress the professional rules of good practice that are widely recognised by limited edition, fine art publishers and printers.
And, granted, the same image has been used. But it is not the same print. The two sets are quite different:
(i) the open edition is noticeably smaller in dimension than the limited edition of 750;
(ii) the printing mediums are different (photolithography for the open edition; giclรฉe for the limited edition); and
(iii) the substrates and their quality are clearly distinct (60 gsm paper for the open edition; 308 gsm paper for the limited edition).
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In case anyone may be interested, see the NewStatesman article below, dated 22 October 2013.
It's titled, A response from Peter Kennard and Cat Phillips [sic]: Censorship is flourishing in our "public spaces":
www.newstatesman.com/art-and-design/2013/10/response-peter-kennard-and-cat-phillips-censorship-flourishing-our-public-spa
Has he just signed left over copies of Photo OP to flog off? ๐ค I think itโs a signed open edition Correct, and apparently sourced "from the depths of the store cupboard"*. Well thats a bit of a money grab. Classic image but even if you paid me I wouldn't put that on my wall. Imagine having to look at Blair each day ๐คฎ With respect, it isnโt. Provided people know what they are buying, itโs absolutely fine. In fact, itโs to be applauded. Itโs a way for well known artists to make their work available to the majority of people. Itโs signed by both artists. Itโs not numbered. Itโs a bargain for a signed piece by artists of this calibre. Moreover, working artists need to make a living. Artists who can sell their work for huge sums are few and far between. I sympathise with your comments about Blair. But I do have this piece framed and displayed. Well my post struck a cord ๐
Photo OP was originally sold as a limited edition. And I believe if an image is sold that way it's poor form to resell the same print as an open edition. Though I'm sure some have jumped at the chance to purchase what is a classic image. It's just not for me. You make a fair argument goose. The art world would likely agree if this were indeed the same print โ because it would transgress the professional rules of good practice that are widely recognised by limited edition, fine art publishers and printers. And, granted, the same image has been used. But it is not the same print. The two sets are quite different: (i) the open edition is noticeably smaller in dimension than the limited edition of 750; (ii) the printing mediums are different (photolithography for the open edition; giclรฉe for the limited edition); and (iii) the substrates and their quality are clearly distinct (60 gsm paper for the open edition; 308 gsm paper for the limited edition). __________ In case anyone may be interested, see the NewStatesman article below, dated 22 October 2013. It's titled, A response from Peter Kennard and Cat Phillips [sic]: Censorship is flourishing in our "public spaces": www.newstatesman.com/art-and-design/2013/10/response-peter-kennard-and-cat-phillips-censorship-flourishing-our-public-spa
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Banksy ยฃ10 โข Di-Faced Tenner, by met on Jun 18, 2021 4:30:55 GMT 1, jbee โ For consolidation reasons, I've copied and pasted your post from the separate thread you just started:
urbanartassociation.com/thread/173039/banksy-difaced-tenner
Hey guys. I got this tenner and wanted to see if anyone could tell if it is legit or not? I took some hi-res scans. Any help would be much appreciated. __________
One of the purposes of this extensive thread, including the very helpful recent posts by hnkpnk, was to give members all the information they needed to make their own informed judgement calls, without the need for hand-holding. Independence > Dependence.
Pages 5 and 6 herein make up the best "how to fish" guide I've seen for verifying the authenticity of Banksy Di-Faced Tenners.
That said, your apparent newbie status must be borne in mind, since it arguably calls for extra patience on my part.
In case you have a magnifying glass to hand, use it to get a detailed view of Diana's eye on the right (her left).
Are the individual CMYK dots (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) clearly visible, as they are in hnkpnk's close-up photo below?
Although the issue could possibly be your scanner, I myself cannot see the CMYK dots in your own photos.
In fact, your tenner looks like the counterfeit that artfan2021 also bought from Dope! Gallery:
These are the best pics I can get of this tenner. Can someone come back again and let me know if they think it's a fake, so I can get back to the gallery if needed? Thanks.
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I've actually lost track of the number of counterfeit tenners that Dope! Gallery / Nicolas Alyรจs / roisaintlouis has sold to members on this forum.
And all were accompanied by a COA, pursuant to which the gallery provided certification โ assuring duped Dope! customers in writing that the fakes they paid money for were authentic.
artfan2021 mentioned over a month ago, on 11 May 2021, that they would ask Dope! Gallery for a refund:
Thanks hnkpnk for the close up. Very useful. I will ask DOPE for a refund. And consider buying one from the only legit source!
Circa 11 May 2021 would therefore have been just one of the occasions Dope! Gallery was given a loud and clear heads-up that it was selling counterfeit Banksy Di-Faced Tenners.
jbee โ I hope the above effort has been of assistance to you.
By way of reciprocity, please could you confirm the date of your purchase from Dope! Gallery.
The timeline may help to establish whether the gallery has been dealing in good faith. Or recklessly. Or dishonestly.
jbee โ For consolidation reasons, I've copied and pasted your post from the separate thread you just started: urbanartassociation.com/thread/173039/banksy-difaced-tennerHey guys. I got this tenner and wanted to see if anyone could tell if it is legit or not? I took some hi-res scans. Any help would be much appreciated. __________ One of the purposes of this extensive thread, including the very helpful recent posts by hnkpnk, was to give members all the information they needed to make their own informed judgement calls, without the need for hand-holding. Independence > Dependence. Pages 5 and 6 herein make up the best "how to fish" guide I've seen for verifying the authenticity of Ban ksy Di-Faced Tenners. That said, your apparent newbie status must be borne in mind, since it arguably calls for extra patience on my part. In case you have a magnifying glass to hand, use it to get a detailed view of Diana's eye on the right (her left). Are the individual CMYK dots (cyan, magenta, yellow and black) clearly visible, as they are in hnkpnk's close-up photo below? Although the issue could possibly be your scanner, I myself cannot see the CMYK dots in your own photos. In fact, your tenner looks like the counterfeit that artfan2021 also bought from Dope! Gallery: These are the best pics I can get of this tenner. Can someone come back again and let me know if they think it's a fake, so I can get back to the gallery if needed? Thanks. __________ I've actually lost track of the number of counterfeit tenners that Dope! Gallery / Nicolas Alyรจs / roisaintlouis has sold to members on this forum. And all were accompanied by a COA, pursuant to which the gallery provided certification โ assuring duped Dope! customers in writing that the fakes they paid money for were authentic. artfan2021 mentioned over a month ago, on 11 May 2021, that they would ask Dope! Gallery for a refund: Thanks hnkpnk for the close up. Very useful. I will ask DOPE for a refund. And consider buying one from the only legit source! Circa 11 May 2021 would therefore have been just one of the occasions Dope! Gallery was given a loud and clear heads-up that it was selling counterfeit Ban ksy Di-Faced Tenners. jbee โ I hope the above effort has been of assistance to you. By way of reciprocity, please could you confirm the date of your purchase from Dope! Gallery. The timeline may help to establish whether the gallery has been dealing in good faith. Or recklessly. Or dishonestly.
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Richard Hambleton ๐จ๐ฆ Artist Discussion , by met on Jun 15, 2021 23:50:38 GMT 1, Thank you for the helpful information. Much appreciated. I was afraid you might say Andy Valmorbida, whom I have mixed feelings about. Valmorbida may well be in the strongest position to run Richard Hambleton's estate โ especially if the artist's family members are uninterested, too elderly or otherwise incapable of doing so. He certainly has a flair for promotion, a passion, and (as owner of a stockpile of Hamble ton originals) a clear vested interest. But I also don't trust Valmorbida. The man comes across to me as almost a caricature of a dealer. He would not have looked out of place as an extra in Velvet Buzzsaw. My concern is that, in cases of almost inevitable conflict, Valmorbida's self-interest will always take precedence over those of the Hamble ton estate. Selling posthumous multiples through Castle Fine Art is already a terrible omen. Below is an article covering the 2010 London pop-up limb of a travelling exhibition โ organised by Valmorbida and Vladimir Restoin Roitfeld (and sponsored by Giorgio Armani, another prominent collector of Hamble ton's work). It refers to the arguably opportunistic pricing at the time. Shenanigans are also alluded to, like the renaming of artworks to blur provenance โ in particular earlier sales at public auction that hammered for a small fraction of the amounts later being asked by these two dealers. Hat tip to lee3 for kindly assisting with the research, by providing previous Hamble ton sale figures only available to Artnet account holders. arrestedmotion.com/2010/12/viewpoints-openings-richard-hambleton-pop-up-show-the-dairy-london/Nice one, Iโll have a little read of it. Found this also if you wanted to take a look: www.richardhambletonofficial.com/Not a lot on there at the moment really but would be interesting to see how active the site looks when there is this drop on 1st July.
What is certainly clear โ especially following irl1's posts โ is that anyone considering making a purchase has now been given ample warning of the need to carry out their own due diligence.
If potential buyers are basing their decisions on assurances of legitimacy of the pieces being sold, they must also verify the trustworthiness of the source of that information. And, if applicable, the source's source.
I myself have zero interest in posthumous prints.
But if I were interested in the forthcoming Hambleton (or "Hambleton") release, I'd make efforts to track down the artist's sibling(s) for direct confirmation on whether or not an estate has been established.
Given the conflicting facts we've been provided here, it would seem unwise at this stage for anyone to place their faith solely on the word of a high street gallery that is trying to sell the prints.
Thank you for the helpful information. Much appreciated. I was afraid you might say Andy Valmorbida, whom I have mixed feelings about. Valmorbida may well be in the strongest position to run Richard Hambleton's estate โ especially if the artist's family members are uninterested, too elderly or otherwise incapable of doing so. He certainly has a flair for promotion, a passion, and (as owner of a stockpile of Hamble ton originals) a clear vested interest. But I also don't trust Valmorbida. The man comes across to me as almost a caricature of a dealer. He would not have looked out of place as an extra in Velvet Buzzsaw. My concern is that, in cases of almost inevitable conflict, Valmorbida's self-interest will always take precedence over those of the Hamble ton estate. Selling posthumous multiples through Castle Fine Art is already a terrible omen. Below is an article covering the 2010 London pop-up limb of a travelling exhibition โ organised by Valmorbida and Vladimir Restoin Roitfeld (and sponsored by Giorgio Armani, another prominent collector of Hamble ton's work). It refers to the arguably opportunistic pricing at the time. Shenanigans are also alluded to, like the renaming of artworks to blur provenance โ in particular earlier sales at public auction that hammered for a small fraction of the amounts later being asked by these two dealers. Hat tip to lee3 for kindly assisting with the research, by providing previous Hamble ton sale figures only available to Artnet account holders. arrestedmotion.com/2010/12/viewpoints-openings-richard-hambleton-pop-up-show-the-dairy-london/Nice one, Iโll have a little read of it. Found this also if you wanted to take a look: www.richardhambletonofficial.com/Not a lot on there at the moment really but would be interesting to see how active the site looks when there is this drop on 1st July. What is certainly clear โ especially following irl1's posts โ is that anyone considering making a purchase has now been given ample warning of the need to carry out their own due diligence. If potential buyers are basing their decisions on assurances of legitimacy of the pieces being sold, they must also verify the trustworthiness of the source of that information. And, if applicable, the source's source. I myself have zero interest in posthumous prints. But if I were interested in the forthcoming Hamble ton (or "Hamble ton") release, I'd make efforts to track down the artist's sibling(s) for direct confirmation on whether or not an estate has been established. Given the conflicting facts we've been provided here, it would seem unwise at this stage for anyone to place their faith solely on the word of a high street gallery that is trying to sell the prints.
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Richard Hambleton ๐จ๐ฆ Artist Discussion , by met on Jun 15, 2021 21:52:24 GMT 1, Would you have any details of Richard Hambledon's estate? I've previously searched but wasn't able to locate a website. It interested me to find out who exactly manages the estate, and if those individuals include actual family members. A couple of years ago, I asked a gallery about this (one that was selling Hambledon originals and posthumous releases of multiples). The woman I spoke with said she didn't know. But she also sounded rather evasive. As far as I'm aware, Hambledon had no children. With him being born in 1952, I suspect it's unlikely that his parents are still alive. What I have no clue about is whether he has any living siblings. Moreover, Hambledon didn't strike me as being the kind of person who would necessarily have arranged for a valid will to be executed. [In a scenario where an important artist has no heirs and no will, query whether, following their death, it would be possible for an estate in their name to be surreptitiously set up by opportunistic dealers.]Hi Met, Just waited on an email back to clarify bits for you. Please see below from an email I just got. Should answer most Qโs whether itโs what people want to hear is another matter! Andy Valborbida, a well-known art dealer and collector, runs Richardโs estate and he owns the licence of his โbrandโ via his company โUntitled-1โ (youโll the company stamp on the pieces). He was one of the very first people who started the global movement to bring Richardโs name back to its rightful place. He and Vladimir Roitflield โadoptedโ Richard back in 2009. Since then, Andy collected as many of his paintings in existence as possible in order to exhibit them around the world. Valmorbida and Roitflield reintroduced Richardโs work to the world in 2009 with a big sponsorship by Giorgio Armani, who loves Richardโs art and supported his first show in over 20 years! A series of exhibitions followed the Armani show. The last years of Richardโs life were very difficult and he isolated himself from everyone, including Andy. After his death, the estate passed to his only living sister. Andy Valmorbida, being so passionate about Richard and his art, purchased the estate and all the rights from her. This way, he could continue to promote and support Richardโs amazing legacy. Andy trusted us with this program, knowing that we will treat Richardโs name and art with the due respect he deserves. We, Castle Fine Art, produced the silkscreen prints here in the UK. I hope this helps!
Thank you for the helpful information. Much appreciated.
I was afraid you might say Andy Valmorbida, whom I have mixed feelings about.
Valmorbida may well be in the strongest position to run Richard Hambleton's estate โ especially if the artist's family members are uninterested, too elderly or otherwise incapable of doing so. He certainly has a flair for promotion, a passion, and (as owner of a stockpile of Hambleton originals) a clear vested interest.
But I also don't trust Valmorbida. The man comes across to me as almost a caricature of a dealer. He would not have looked out of place as an extra in Velvet Buzzsaw. My concern is that, in cases of almost inevitable conflict, Valmorbida's self-interest will always take precedence over those of the Hambleton estate. Selling posthumous multiples through Castle Fine Art is already a terrible omen.
Below is an article covering the 2010 London pop-up limb of a travelling exhibition โ organised by Valmorbida and Vladimir Restoin Roitfeld (and sponsored by Giorgio Armani, another prominent collector of Hambleton's work). It refers to the arguably opportunistic pricing at the time. Shenanigans are also alluded to, like the renaming of artworks to blur provenance โ in particular earlier sales at public auction that hammered for a small fraction of the amounts later being asked by these two dealers.
Hat tip to lee3 for kindly assisting with the research, by providing previous Hambleton sale figures only available to Artnet account holders.
arrestedmotion.com/2010/12/viewpoints-openings-richard-hambleton-pop-up-show-the-dairy-london/
Would you have any details of Richard Hambledon's estate? I've previously searched but wasn't able to locate a website. It interested me to find out who exactly manages the estate, and if those individuals include actual family members. A couple of years ago, I asked a gallery about this (one that was selling Hambledon originals and posthumous releases of multiples). The woman I spoke with said she didn't know. But she also sounded rather evasive. As far as I'm aware, Hambledon had no children. With him being born in 1952, I suspect it's unlikely that his parents are still alive. What I have no clue about is whether he has any living siblings. Moreover, Hambledon didn't strike me as being the kind of person who would necessarily have arranged for a valid will to be executed. [In a scenario where an important artist has no heirs and no will, query whether, following their death, it would be possible for an estate in their name to be surreptitiously set up by opportunistic dealers.]Hi Met, Just waited on an email back to clarify bits for you. Please see below from an email I just got. Should answer most Qโs whether itโs what people want to hear is another matter! Andy Valborbida, a well-known art dealer and collector, runs Richardโs estate and he owns the licence of his โbrandโ via his company โUntitled-1โ (youโll the company stamp on the pieces). He was one of the very first people who started the global movement to bring Richardโs name back to its rightful place. He and Vladimir Roitflield โadoptedโ Richard back in 2009. Since then, Andy collected as many of his paintings in existence as possible in order to exhibit them around the world. Valmorbida and Roitflield reintroduced Richardโs work to the world in 2009 with a big sponsorship by Giorgio Armani, who loves Richardโs art and supported his first show in over 20 years! A series of exhibitions followed the Armani show. The last years of Richardโs life were very difficult and he isolated himself from everyone, including Andy. After his death, the estate passed to his only living sister. Andy Valmorbida, being so passionate about Richard and his art, purchased the estate and all the rights from her. This way, he could continue to promote and support Richardโs amazing legacy. Andy trusted us with this program, knowing that we will treat Richardโs name and art with the due respect he deserves. We, Castle Fine Art, produced the silkscreen prints here in the UK. I hope this helps! Thank you for the helpful information. Much appreciated. I was afraid you might say Andy Valmorbida, whom I have mixed feelings about. Valmorbida may well be in the strongest position to run Richard Hambleton's estate โ especially if the artist's family members are uninterested, too elderly or otherwise incapable of doing so. He certainly has a flair for promotion, a passion, and (as owner of a stockpile of Hamble ton originals) a clear vested interest. But I also don't trust Valmorbida. The man comes across to me as almost a caricature of a dealer. He would not have looked out of place as an extra in Velvet Buzzsaw. My concern is that, in cases of almost inevitable conflict, Valmorbida's self-interest will always take precedence over those of the Hamble ton estate. Selling posthumous multiples through Castle Fine Art is already a terrible omen. Below is an article covering the 2010 London pop-up limb of a travelling exhibition โ organised by Valmorbida and Vladimir Restoin Roitfeld (and sponsored by Giorgio Armani, another prominent collector of Hamble ton's work). It refers to the arguably opportunistic pricing at the time. Shenanigans are also alluded to, like the renaming of artworks to blur provenance โ in particular earlier sales at public auction that hammered for a small fraction of the amounts later being asked by these two dealers. Hat tip to lee3 for kindly assisting with the research, by providing previous Hamble ton sale figures only available to Artnet account holders. arrestedmotion.com/2010/12/viewpoints-openings-richard-hambleton-pop-up-show-the-dairy-london/
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Richard Hambleton ๐จ๐ฆ Artist Discussion , by met on Jun 13, 2021 20:19:30 GMT 1, Richard Hambleton release. There will be a release on 1st July this year of four prints. Each measuring 28โ x 60โ. All are silkscreens on Torn Edged Somerset Satin Paper with between 5 and 12 screens each. They will be released by Richardโs estate. They come in a very small edition of 95 only. The collection is available to pre-order at ยฃ4,950 for each image, or at the special price of ยฃ18,000 for a framed set (ยฃ16,000 unframed). Let me know if anyone is interested, I canโt share the images but iโm happy to pass on contact details. I wouldnโt sit on this long but he might not be everyoneโs cup of tea. Finding signed works is like gold dust unless you have seriously deep pockets so itโs a great way to get some of Richardโs art on the wall with added prov from his estate. Check out โShadowmanโ on Amazon Prime Video if youโre not aware of Richard, most on this forum would likely be aware. DM me for contact details
Would you have any details of Richard Hambledon's estate?
I've previously searched but wasn't able to locate a website.
It interested me to find out who exactly manages the estate, and if those individuals include actual family members.
A couple of years ago, I asked a gallery about this (one that was selling Hambledon originals and posthumous releases of multiples). The woman I spoke with said she didn't know. But she also sounded rather evasive.
As far as I'm aware, Hambledon had no children. With him being born in 1952, I suspect it's unlikely that his parents are still alive. What I have no clue about is whether he has any living siblings. Moreover, Hambledon didn't strike me as being the kind of person who would necessarily have arranged for a valid will to be executed.
[In a scenario where an important artist has no heirs and no will, query whether, following their death, it would be possible for an estate in their name to be surreptitiously set up by opportunistic dealers.]
Richard Hambleton release. There will be a release on 1st July this year of four prints. Each measuring 28โ x 60โ. All are silkscreens on Torn Edged Somerset Satin Paper with between 5 and 12 screens each. They will be released by Richardโs estate. They come in a very small edition of 95 only. The collection is available to pre-order at ยฃ4,950 for each image, or at the special price of ยฃ18,000 for a framed set (ยฃ16,000 unframed). Let me know if anyone is interested, I canโt share the images but iโm happy to pass on contact details. I wouldnโt sit on this long but he might not be everyoneโs cup of tea. Finding signed works is like gold dust unless you have seriously deep pockets so itโs a great way to get some of Richardโs art on the wall with added prov from his estate. Check out โShadowmanโ on Amazon Prime Video if youโre not aware of Richard, most on this forum would likely be aware. DM me for contact details Would you have any details of Richard Hambledon's estate? I've previously searched but wasn't able to locate a website. It interested me to find out who exactly manages the estate, and if those individuals include actual family members. A couple of years ago, I asked a gallery about this (one that was selling Hambledon originals and posthumous releases of multiples). The woman I spoke with said she didn't know. But she also sounded rather evasive. As far as I'm aware, Hambledon had no children. With him being born in 1952, I suspect it's unlikely that his parents are still alive. What I have no clue about is whether he has any living siblings. Moreover, Hambledon didn't strike me as being the kind of person who would necessarily have arranged for a valid will to be executed. [In a scenario where an important artist has no heirs and no will, query whether, following their death, it would be possible for an estate in their name to be surreptitiously set up by opportunistic dealers.]
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Shredded Girl with Balloon - One Big Fraud, by met on Jun 12, 2021 12:47:36 GMT 1, On the 5th October 2018 Banksyโs Balloon Girl captured the worldโs attention. As the hammer went down at auction house Sothebyโs on the ยฃ860,000 piece, we watched in astonishment as the Balloon Girl began to shred. Many called it a โstuntโ; a wonderful piece of marketing. Others questioned how this could have happened and cried โfakeโ. One person who felt this was all a little dubious is street artist JPS who is adamant that something very fishy went on that day and has been continuing ever since. Claims of back dated artworks and false certificates of authenticity (COAs) by Pest Control are at the centre of this ongoing controversy. We spoke directly to JPS to find out more about what is going on with Banksy and Sothebyโsโฆ โThe starting point for me was the infamous shredder stunt. Although both Banksy and Sothebyโs strenuously deny being in cahoots (because that would be illegal), I firmly believe both parties were in on the stunt. But, putting the whole โhow did the shredder frame make it past securityโ type questions to one side, the bigger issue for me is that I believe the piece was falsely dated by 12 yearsโ, explains JPS. According to JPS, the alleged record breaking piece was not a 2006 Balloon Girl at all but a falsely dated newer version of the famous artwork. The timeline below, given to us by JPS, shows why he believes this is the case: As you can see from the timeline, the 2006 version marked with a red dot is clearly a lot crisper than its 2005 and 2007 counterparts. In fact it would be fair to say that it is more alike to the later 2017 and 2020 versions. If JPS is in fact correct, the infamous work. now residing in a German museum on permanent loan, was therefore purchased with a false back dated history. Sothebyโs Alex Branczik made a statement attempting to quash any claims of wrong doing by stating that the piece wasnโt a 2006 work at all but a brand new 2018 version and yet at the time the hammer went down it had been sold as a 2006 work. And it didnโt stop thereโฆ JPS also claims that the next part of the Balloon Girl puzzle was brought to his attention when Banksy bought a rescue boat and the Balloon Girl appeared on the side of it. โAfter seeing the version on the side of the boat and comparing it to the alleged 2006 one I am positive it was back dated, also in the 3 days after this, Banksyโs Instagram account grew from 1.8m to over 6m and once again his prices began breaking records. In 2017 Balloon Girl was voted the most popular piece of UK art and I firmly believe this is why this fresh faced version appeared at Sothebyโs โ, said JPS. In 2020, to make a point of his frustration, JPS created a piece of art titled โOutta Timeโ which featured his own version of Banksyโs Balloon Girl holding a COA and stood next to a Back to the Future DeLorean. At this point, it would be very easy to simply accuse JPS of just being bitter and a little jealous of Banksyโs fame but, as JPS put it, โI feel people are being ripped off and lied to. If Banksy and Sothebyโs are fabricating histories for these pieces then buyers are investing huge sums of money into false works. If Pest Control are issuing certificates of authenticity falsely dating pieces by 12 years then how can they have any credibility?โ JPS believes that the Balloon Girl stunt in 2018 was just the beginning of a sophisticated operation between Banksy and Sothebyโs where new works are given a back dated history and COA and urges potential buyers to look closely, ask questions and think twice before investing. When JPS first approached us with his findings we found it all a little overwhelming to be honest, but, when you look at the timeline you can understand why questions are being asked, and if this does have a false history, questions about other works start to be raised. As weโve said in previous articles, when huge sums of money are at stake who knows what people are capable of. Before writing this article JPS stated that he contacted Banksy, Sothebyโs and Banksyโs PR agent Jo Brooks regarding the accusationโฆ he heard nothing.
You keep accusing me of being jps and I repeatedly told you that I'm not, I don't even know him but I'm gonna contact him and point him towards this forum and your particular comments as you clearly have a vendetta against this guy that outweighs bare fraud. You look very much involved into all of this to me. And you still haven't explained your newly made account and then changing your name after I first called you out. You don't know him but yet you are very quick to defend him on here ๐ I will save you the effort of contacting yourself and pointing yourself in the direction of this forum as yourself already seems to be well aware of this forums presence as indicated by your facebook page. Also harassing Jo Brooks over instagram probably isn't the smartest thing to do and could even be considered as a crime. Stop complaining to people that she's blocked you when you have been relentlessly harassing her. I'm not going to post some of the things about what you have been saying or details of the account in question as it's not right and quite disgusting. Or have you got your knickers in a twist because she said a piece that you painted wasn't by Banksy? You should seriously call it a day now, as your reputation is taking a serious hit and you risk alienating yourself. An apology won't do much to help you but it's probably a good place to start.
One possibility I still haven't fully discounted is that the above quotes and posts attributed to JPS / Jamie Paul Scanlon are all fake.
They could be part of an elaborate false flag operation, designed to make the artist look like an envious and resentful tit.
Indeed, JPS's apparent self-awareness deficit seems exaggeratedly suspicious to me. Perhaps nefarious actors are (for whatever reason) trying to discredit him โ by giving us the false impression he truly is behaving in a manner comparable to that of an obsessively unhinged, scorned lover.
If this were the case, then JPS would be the innocent victim here of character defamation. He would deserve our sympathy, regardless of how poor his artwork happens to be.
On the 5th October 2018 Banksyโs Balloon Girl captured the worldโs attention. As the hammer went down at auction house Sothebyโs on the ยฃ860,000 piece, we watched in astonishment as the Balloon Girl began to shred. Many called it a โstuntโ; a wonderful piece of marketing. Others questioned how this could have happened and cried โfakeโ. One person who felt this was all a little dubious is street artist JPS who is adamant that something very fishy went on that day and has been continuing ever since. Claims of back dated artworks and false certificates of authenticity (COAs) by Pest Control are at the centre of this ongoing controversy. We spoke directly to JPS to find out more about what is going on with Banksy and Sothebyโsโฆ โThe starting point for me was the infamous shredder stunt. Although both Banksy and Sothebyโs strenuously deny being in cahoots (because that would be illegal), I firmly believe both parties were in on the stunt. But, putting the whole โhow did the shredder frame make it past securityโ type questions to one side, the bigger issue for me is that I believe the piece was falsely dated by 12 yearsโ, explains JPS. According to JPS, the alleged record breaking piece was not a 2006 Balloon Girl at all but a falsely dated newer version of the famous artwork. The timeline below, given to us by JPS, shows why he believes this is the case: As you can see from the timeline, the 2006 version marked with a red dot is clearly a lot crisper than its 2005 and 2007 counterparts. In fact it would be fair to say that it is more alike to the later 2017 and 2020 versions. If JPS is in fact correct, the infamous work. now residing in a German museum on permanent loan, was therefore purchased with a false back dated history. Sothebyโs Alex Branczik made a statement attempting to quash any claims of wrong doing by stating that the piece wasnโt a 2006 work at all but a brand new 2018 version and yet at the time the hammer went down it had been sold as a 2006 work. And it didnโt stop thereโฆ JPS also claims that the next part of the Balloon Girl puzzle was brought to his attention when Banksy bought a rescue boat and the Balloon Girl appeared on the side of it. โAfter seeing the version on the side of the boat and comparing it to the alleged 2006 one I am positive it was back dated, also in the 3 days after this, Banksyโs Instagram account grew from 1.8m to over 6m and once again his prices began breaking records. In 2017 Balloon Girl was voted the most popular piece of UK art and I firmly believe this is why this fresh faced version appeared at Sothebyโs โ, said JPS. In 2020, to make a point of his frustration, JPS created a piece of art titled โOutta Timeโ which featured his own version of Banksyโs Balloon Girl holding a COA and stood next to a Back to the Future DeLorean. At this point, it would be very easy to simply accuse JPS of just being bitter and a little jealous of Banksyโs fame but, as JPS put it, โI feel people are being ripped off and lied to. If Banksy and Sothebyโs are fabricating histories for these pieces then buyers are investing huge sums of money into false works. If Pest Control are issuing certificates of authenticity falsely dating pieces by 12 years then how can they have any credibility?โ JPS believes that the Balloon Girl stunt in 2018 was just the beginning of a sophisticated operation between Banksy and Sothebyโs where new works are given a back dated history and COA and urges potential buyers to look closely, ask questions and think twice before investing. When JPS first approached us with his findings we found it all a little overwhelming to be honest, but, when you look at the timeline you can understand why questions are being asked, and if this does have a false history, questions about other works start to be raised. As weโve said in previous articles, when huge sums of money are at stake who knows what people are capable of. Before writing this article JPS stated that he contacted Banksy, Sothebyโs and Banksyโs PR agent Jo Brooks regarding the accusationโฆ he heard nothing. You keep accusing me of being jps and I repeatedly told you that I'm not, I don't even know him but I'm gonna contact him and point him towards this forum and your particular comments as you clearly have a vendetta against this guy that outweighs bare fraud. You look very much involved into all of this to me. And you still haven't explained your newly made account and then changing your name after I first called you out. You don't know him but yet you are very quick to defend him on here ๐ I will save you the effort of contacting yourself and pointing yourself in the direction of this forum as yourself already seems to be well aware of this forums presence as indicated by your facebook page. Also harassing Jo Brooks over instagram probably isn't the smartest thing to do and could even be considered as a crime. Stop complaining to people that she's blocked you when you have been relentlessly harassing her. I'm not going to post some of the things about what you have been saying or details of the account in question as it's not right and quite disgusting. Or have you got your knickers in a twist because she said a piece that you painted wasn't by Banksy? You should seriously call it a day now, as your reputation is taking a serious hit and you risk alienating yourself. An apology won't do much to help you but it's probably a good place to start. One possibility I still haven't fully discounted is that the above quotes and posts attributed to JPS / Jamie Paul Scanlon are all fake. They could be part of an elaborate false flag operation, designed to make the artist look like an envious and resentful t it. Indeed, J PS's apparent self-awareness deficit seems exaggeratedly suspicious to me. Perhaps nefarious actors are (for whatever reason) trying to discredit him โ by giving us the false impression he truly is behaving in a manner comparable to that of an obsessively unhinged, scorned lover. If this were the case, then J PS would be the innocent victim here of character defamation. He would deserve our sympathy, regardless of how poor his artwork happens to be.
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The Connor Brothers ๐ฌ๐ง Mike Snelle & James Golding, by met on Jun 6, 2021 20:02:16 GMT 1, [...] The Connor Brothers
Call Me Anything But Ordinary Size โ 130cm x 90cm (Very large) Edition of 50 ยฃ1500 Stock Photo - print has been stored flat in original cardboard and is in mint condition [...]
Waiting for met to tell us the source image of the Con Bros (honest curiousity)
To the Connor Brothers' credit, a small number of works they've applied their name to is based on new photos they arranged to be taken at a studio, with the images subsequently given the pulp-cover illustration look.
This, in contrast to their standard operating procedure of wholesale theft from actual artists โ without permission (and sometimes expressly against the wishes of the artists or their estates), without compensation, and without even respecting the basic right every artist has of attribution.
The above print is one such piece based on a new photo. Pippa Melody (represented by Nevs agency) is the model.
[...] The Connor Brothers
Call Me Anything But Ordinary Size โ 130cm x 90cm (Very large) Edition of 50 ยฃ1500 Stock Photo - print has been stored flat in original cardboard and is in mint condition [...] Waiting for met to tell us the source image of the Con Bros (honest curiousity) To the Connor Brothers' credit, a small number of works they've applied their name to is based on new photos they arranged to be taken at a studio, with the images subsequently given the pulp-cover illustration look. This, in contrast to their standard operating procedure of wholesale theft from actual artists โ without permission (and sometimes expressly against the wishes of the artists or their estates), without compensation, and without even respecting the basic right every artist has of attribution. The above print is one such piece based on a new photo. Pippa Melody (represented by Nevs agency) is the model.
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Banksy โข Sleazenation + Banksy Stencils , by met on Jun 6, 2021 2:46:00 GMT 1, RAREST ORIGINAL BANKSY STENCIL FOR SALE Banksy Stencil at Sleazenation, a collaboration with Adidas they got a bunch of emerging urban artists to create work around sport.
The SN team insisted on a late addition from a little known up and comer from Bristol. I donโt think Iโve seen one of these floating around, very often.
The stencil itself is of an angel with adidas trainers on [...] Absolute MINT condition A truly collectors item after 34 years of collecting I easily understand when somebody's a loser/hater or even bully(or think so) point is that to raise and question all these b**lshit I only understand how bad he wishes to own such a beautiful, rare, piece of modern art. all the other is words words words especially the silliness about the mag. the way I keep or store, or everybody else, his valuables. I think I'm bored Very surprising. They donโt appear often. Especially in this MINT condition?Can I say never?
When referencing the condition of collectibles printed on paper (art prints, magazines, postcards, baseball cards, etc.), "mint" has a clear and specific meaning โ i.e. items that are in undamaged, as-issued, new condition.
"Mint" is an absolute term, not a relative one. It shouldn't be misused as a definition.
Given your 34 years' experience, and earlier criticism of another member you described as having "little or even ZERO knowledge of collecting"*, what I've stated will be very old news. You'll also be aware of how important it is for sellers to use accurate, non-misleading descriptions of the condition of their sale items.
Are the punched out details loose from the sheet? What I mean is that in the two first pics they are taken out and in the two following pics they are โin placeโ on the rest of the sheet. They were attached from new and wasnโt delivered as loose paper bits so I guess you have removed them, but kept them. [...] [...]
hnkpnk previously addressed the fact this Sleazenation stencil originally came as a single perforated sheet.
bankygr โ Your own stencil was at some point detached along its perforations, presumably by your hands. The moment this occurred is the same moment it ceased to be as-issued, and therefore ceased to be in mint condition.
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I also have the magazine among thousands others as I collect music, lifestyle and comic mags since 1981
Assuming you do indeed still have the Sleazenation magazine, my recommendation would be to sell it at the same time. Is there some reason not to?
Although it's already been mentioned, the stencil will appeal especially to Banksy completists*. And any true completist will naturally also want the magazine that originally accompanied the stencil.
RAREST ORIGINAL BANKSY STENCIL FOR SALE Banksy Stencil at Sleazenation, a collaboration with Adidas they got a bunch of emerging urban artists to create work around sport.
The SN team insisted on a late addition from a little known up and comer from Bristol. I donโt think Iโve seen one of these floating around, very often.
The stencil itself is of an angel with adidas trainers on [...] Absolute MINT condition A truly collectors item after 34 years of collecting I easily understand when somebody's a loser/hater or even bully(or think so) point is that to raise and question all these b**lshit I only understand how bad he wishes to own such a beautiful, rare, piece of modern art. all the other is words words words especially the silliness about the mag. the way I keep or store, or everybody else, his valuables. I think I'm bored Very surprising. They donโt appear often. Especially in this MINT condition?Can I say never? When referencing the condition of collectibles printed on paper (art prints, magazines, postcards, baseball cards, etc.), "mint" has a clear and specific meaning โ i.e. items that are in undamaged, as-issued, new condition. "Mint" is an absolute term, not a relative one. It shouldn't be misused as a definition. Given your 34 years' experience, and earlier criticism of another member you described as having "little or even ZERO knowledge of collecting"*, what I've stated will be very old news. You'll also be aware of how important it is for sellers to use accurate, non-misleading descriptions of the condition of their sale items. Are the punched out details loose from the sheet? What I mean is that in the two first pics they are taken out and in the two following pics they are โin placeโ on the rest of the sheet. They were attached from new and wasnโt delivered as loose paper bits so I guess you have removed them, but kept them. [...] [...] hnkpnk previously addressed the fact this Sleazenation stencil originally came as a single perforated sheet. bankygr โ Your own stencil was at some point detached along its perforations, presumably by your hands. The moment this occurred is the same moment it ceased to be as-issued, and therefore ceased to be in mint condition. __________ I also have the magazine among thousands others as I collect music, lifestyle and comic mags since 1981 Assuming you do indeed still have the Sleazenation magazine, my recommendation would be to sell it at the same time. Is there some reason not to? Although it's already been mentioned, the stencil will appeal especially to Ban ksy completists *. And any true completist will naturally also want the magazine that originally accompanied the stencil.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Jun 5, 2021 21:57:30 GMT 1, Nicely executed. I'd never previously heard of of Matt Lambert. But he should also be wary of the risk of coming across as a pastiche artist. The influences here are arguably too obvious: Frank Auerbach, Francis Bacon, possibly Gerhard Richter to some extent, and (from a more recent generation) Antony Micallef of course. This portrait does however resonate with me, because I too hate non-pure-blood wizards. Matt sells a lot of his art on catawiki, has done for years www.mattlambertstudio.co.uk/paintings
Thank you for the link.
After clicking and having a scan, what's unfortunate is that โ despite his different styles and obvious technical skills โ such a large proportion of Matt Lambert's work reminds me of other artists.
The ones that immediately come to mind are Micallef (yet again), Brett Amory, Ian Francis, Charming Baker, Sage Vaughn, Dale Grimshaw, and even Sandra "ruddy" Chevrier.
Nicely executed. I'd never previously heard of of Matt Lambert. But he should also be wary of the risk of coming across as a pastiche artist. The influences here are arguably too obvious: Frank Auerbach, Francis Bacon, possibly Gerhard Richter to some extent, and (from a more recent generation) Antony Micallef of course. This portrait does however resonate with me, because I too hate non-pure-blood wizards. Matt sells a lot of his art on catawiki, has done for years www.mattlambertstudio.co.uk/paintingsThank you for the link. After clicking and having a scan, what's unfortunate is that โ despite his different styles and obvious technical skills โ such a large proportion of Matt Lambert's work reminds me of other artists. The ones that immediately come to mind are Micallef (yet again), Brett Amory, Ian Francis, Charming Baker, Sage Vaughn, Dale Grimshaw, and even Sandra "ruddy" Chevrier.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Jun 5, 2021 20:59:55 GMT 1, Matt Lambert, intrusive #16, edition of 50:
Nicely executed. I'd never previously heard of of Matt Lambert.
But he should also be wary of the risk of coming across as a pastiche artist. The influences here are arguably too obvious: Frank Auerbach, Francis Bacon, possibly Gerhard Richter to some extent, and (from a more recent generation) Antony Micallef of course.
This portrait does however resonate with me, because I too hate non-pure-blood wizards.
Matt Lambert, intrusive #16, edition of 50: Nicely executed. I'd never previously heard of of Matt Lambert. But he should also be wary of the risk of coming across as a pastiche artist. The influences here are arguably too obvious: Frank Auerbach, Francis Bacon, possibly Gerhard Richter to some extent, and (from a more recent generation) Antony Micallef of course. This portrait does however resonate with me, because I too hate non-pure-blood wizards.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Jun 4, 2021 2:37:23 GMT 1,
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-china-57314397
[BBC link with a video worth watching. It features proper heroism, given the penalty for lighting a candle is now up to five years in prison. "I am willing to pay the price for fighting for democracy."]
Lighting a candle for Tiananmen and Hong Kong freedoms
Every 4 June for the past three decades, tens of thousands of Hongkongers have gathered in a park to hold a candlelight vigil, mourning those killed in the 1989 Tiananmen crackdown in Beijing.
The incident, also known as "June Fourth", is considered highly politically sensitive in the mainland. Hong Kong has been one of the very few places in China which has allowed public commemoration - but now this tradition is under threat.
Authorities have banned the event for the second year in a row. They've cited Covid concerns - but activists fear it is much more than that.
Tonyee Chow, vice-chairperson of the vigil's organiser Hong Kong Alliance, tells the BBC why they are asking Hongkongers to light candles on 4 June.
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www.pri.org/stories/2021-06-03/hong-kong-lighting-candle-tiananmen-victims-now-crime
In Hong Kong, lighting a candle for Tiananmen victims is now a crime
Wearing black, or being in or around Victoria Park on the anniversary, could also land someone a one-year sentence in jail.
The World June 03, 2021 ยท 12:30 PM EDT By Patrick Winn
Itโs much more than a candlelight vigil. In Hong Kong, commemorating victims of the Tiananmen Square massacre is a treasured act of resistance. There is no other place on Chinese soil where a mass remembrance of the tragedy is remotely possible.
But now, that right is being stripped away.
As of this year, anyone publicly lighting a candle in public in Hong Kong to recall the massacre on June 4, 1989, in Beijing โ a turning point in Chinaโs history in which a movement for greater freedoms was crushed โ faces up to five years in prison.
This is just the latest endeavor by Chinaโs Communist Party (and the Hong Kong government, obsequious to Beijing) to pick apart the coastal territoryโs autonomy, a concept called โOne Country, Two Systems," that is rapidly eroding.
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www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-china-57314397[BBC link with a video worth watching. It features proper heroism, given the penalty for lighting a candle is now up to five years in prison. "I am willing to pay the price for fighting for democracy."] Lighting a candle for Tiananmen and Hong Kong freedoms
Every 4 June for the past three decades, tens of thousands of Hongkongers have gathered in a park to hold a candlelight vigil, mourning those killed in the 1989 Tiananmen crackdown in Beijing.
The incident, also known as "June Fourth", is considered highly politically sensitive in the mainland. Hong Kong has been one of the very few places in China which has allowed public commemoration - but now this tradition is under threat.
Authorities have banned the event for the second year in a row. They've cited Covid concerns - but activists fear it is much more than that.
Tonyee Chow, vice-chairperson of the vigil's organiser Hong Kong Alliance, tells the BBC why they are asking Hongkongers to light candles on 4 June.__________ www.pri.org/stories/2021-06-03/hong-kong-lighting-candle-tiananmen-victims-now-crimeIn Hong Kong, lighting a candle for Tiananmen victims is now a crime
Wearing black, or being in or around Victoria Park on the anniversary, could also land someone a one-year sentence in jail.
The World June 03, 2021 ยท 12:30 PM EDT By Patrick Winn
Itโs much more than a candlelight vigil. In Hong Kong, commemorating victims of the Tiananmen Square massacre is a treasured act of resistance. There is no other place on Chinese soil where a mass remembrance of the tragedy is remotely possible.
But now, that right is being stripped away.
As of this year, anyone publicly lighting a candle in public in Hong Kong to recall the massacre on June 4, 1989, in Beijing โ a turning point in Chinaโs history in which a movement for greater freedoms was crushed โ faces up to five years in prison.
This is just the latest endeavor by Chinaโs Communist Party (and the Hong Kong government, obsequious to Beijing) to pick apart the coastal territoryโs autonomy, a concept called โOne Country, Two Systems," that is rapidly eroding.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on Jun 4, 2021 2:17:52 GMT 1,
Cheers for posting. I forwarded that Sad Cat Diary to a good friend and stray-cat adopter.
Cheers for posting. I forwarded that Sad Cat Diary to a good friend and stray-cat adopter.
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THE MET LOTTERY, by met on May 29, 2021 1:41:58 GMT 1, Just how extraordinary is the journey Ze Frank takes us on?
Ze Frank: Are you human? [4:34] - uploaded by TED on 18 July 2014
Just how extraordinary is the journey Ze Frank takes us on?
Ze Frank: Are you human? [4:34] - uploaded by TED on 18 July 2014
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JASON ZENGA - Refresher Course on a Scammer, by met on May 27, 2021 7:28:59 GMT 1, Recent multiple sale posts from a new account reminded me* it's been some time since we last heard from the lowlife thief and fraudster, Jason Zenga.
There was a depressing predictability with which he would always reappear, like a turd refusing to be flushed. It made me wonder how long our current grace period will last for, and whether we might be living on borrowed time.
Given the substantial number of people Zenga managed to defraud in the past, including on this forum, a fresh thread may be helpful in discouraging complacency within our ranks.
What follows is for the benefit of anyone needing a refresher.
JASON ZENGA
Apparently born on 9 or 22 September 1979, and now in his early forties.
1. Other names, possible aliases, past girlfriends, wives and/or cohorts
- Jason Robert Zenga - Jason R Zenga - Jason Zeng / Jason Zenag - Jason Ciccarello / Jason Chicarello - Jason Mattarazo
- James Dakin
- Juliann Cyhan / Juli Cyhan [Fellow scammer at Art Asylum Boston, and mother of his child (or one of his children), a son born in 2012.]
- Dorine (Coello) Zenga [Wife or ex-wife.]
- Crystal Mello
- Renรฉe Moschella / Renรฉe Moschelle
- Leah Cefalo
- Nicole Francis
2. Known previous occupations
(i) prolific scammer and failed gallerist at Art Asylum Boston in Lynn, Massachusetts;
(ii) prolific eBay scammer;
(iii) Los Angeles-based failed DJ (albeit self-described as "internationally acclaimed") with different stage names: High Def* / High-Def*, Zenga*, and DJay-Z*; and
(iv) possibly works or has worked as a framer***.
3. Known city residences (past and present)
- Los Angeles, California (last known location) - Boston, Lynn, Quincy, and Fitchburg, Massachusetts
4. Known email addresses previously used for scamming
- jasonz1023@yahoo.com
- jayzen1122@gmail.com
- jameshdkin49@yahoo.com
- adrianz5678@yahoo.com
- ncole1288@yahoo.com
- artasylumboston@yahoo.com
5. Known telephone numbers previously used for scamming
- +1 (323) 819-4240
- +1 (339) 440-6728
6. Known eBay user IDs previously used for scamming
- juliz1215*
- silvercity11*
- sweet_art*
- caligraffiti09
- jaycole1218
7. Known or probable usernames on the Urban Art Association
(i) darkcity [darkcity; registered in February 2016; post suggesting he was communicating under the name James*];
(ii) godspeed [Registered circa 2015; deleted account];
(iii) missnicole12 [missnicole12; registered in November 2013];
(iv) deltaone [Registered circa 2012; deleted account]; and
(v) blackice [Registered circa 2011; deleted account].
8. Some UAA threads related to Zenga
(i) JASON ZENGA/DARKCITY SCAMMER Thread started in July 2016 urbanartassociation.com/thread/140632/jason-zenga-darkcity-scammer
(ii) JASON ZENGA - Kaws Running Chum Silkscreen Set - darkcity Thread started in July 2016 urbanartassociation.com/thread/140476/jason-zenga-running-silkscreen-darkcity
(iii) Collection For Sale (JASON ZENGA!) Kaws, Banksy, retna etc Thread started in May 2016 urbanartassociation.com/thread/138863/collection-jason-zenga-banksy-retna
(iv) Leah Cefalo / Godspeed Thread started in June 2015 urbanartassociation.com/thread/131112/leah-cefalo-godspeed
(v) Who is Godspeed? Thread started in May 2015 urbanartassociation.com/thread/129547/who-godspeed
(vi) MissNicole12 = Jason Zenga Thread started December 2013 urbanartassociation.com/thread/111633/missnicole12-jason-zenga
(vii) For Sale: HowNosm storm predictions Thread started November 2013 urbanartassociation.com/thread/111250/fs-hownosm-storm-predictions
(viii) For Sale or trade: Jose Parla WTL & 184TH ST. Thread started November 2013 urbanartassociation.com/thread/111594/trade-jose-parla-wtl-184th
(ix) Jason Zenga = THIEF Thread started in February 2013 urbanartassociation.com/thread/103898/jason-zenga-thief
(x) Beware: Jason Zenga strikes back!!! Thread started in July 2012 urbanartassociation.com/thread/97441/beware-jason-zenga-strikes-back
(xi) Art Asylum Boston / Jason Zenga scammer is BACK! Thread started in May 2012 urbanartassociation.com/thread/96101/asylum-boston-jason-zenga-scammer
(xii) For Sale: Breaking up entire collection Thread started in January 2012 urbanartassociation.com/thread/91300/fs-breaking-entire-collection
(xiii) For Sale: RETNA HPM "Got Paint II" Thread started in September 2011 urbanartassociation.com/thread/87309/fs-retna-hpm-got-paint
(xiv) Kaws running chum print set Thread started in March 2011 urbanartassociation.com/thread/68661/kaws-running-chum-print-set
(xv) Art Asylum Boston - Jason Zenga Investigation Thread started in September 2010 urbanartassociation.com/thread/69369/asylum-boston-jason-zenga-investigation
9. Some Kidrobot Forums threads related to Zenga
(i) SCAMMER ALERT: ART ASYLUM BOSTON! Thread started in September 2010 web.archive.org/web/20120127061534/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=164642
(ii) NEW COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST ART ASYLUM BOSTON Thread started in September 2010 web.archive.org/web/20120127002044/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=164474
(iii) Arkiv Instant exclusive You choose the color! Thread started in March 2010 web.archive.org/web/20120126225013/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=156776
(iv) anyone ever order fmor ART ASYLUM in boston b4? Thread started in November 2009 web.archive.org/web/20120127002018/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=150093
(v) (WARNING! Watch out for Art Asylum Boston! (re: KAWS) Thread started in July 2009 web.archive.org/web/20120126232449/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=140551
10. TheGiant.org thread related to Zenga
Banned under the username 'artasylumboston' in 2009 "for reasons of Community Trust".
Art Asylum Boston: Fakes, Theft and Sketchy Things Thread started in March 2009 forum.thegiant.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21192&start=25
11. Some of the many blog posts related to Zenga
(i) Fakestencils.blog Work Stolen by Jason Zenga Post dated 11 February 2011 fakestencils.blogspot.com/2011/02/work-stolen-by-jason-zenga.html
(ii) The Life Vicarious Blog Jason Zenga, Juliann Cyhan: Not in jail, getting married? Post dated 11 December 2011 web.archive.org/web/20120313031613/www.thelifevicarious.com/the_life_vicarious/2011/12/jason-zenga-juliann-cyhan-not-in-jail-getting-married.html
(iii) The Life Vicarious Blog How Art Asylum Boston lost their leverage. Post dated 7 October 2010 web.archive.org/web/20120313043424/http://www.thelifevicarious.com/the_life_vicarious/2010/10/how-art-asylum-boston-got-to-this-point-website-down.html
(iv) The Life Vicarious Blog Art Asylum Boston's Art 4 Hearts PayPal problem. Post dated 30 September 2010 web.archive.org/web/20120903105155/http://www.thelifevicarious.com:80/the_life_vicarious/2010/09/juliann-cyhans-and-art-asylum-bostons-art-4-hearts-problem.html
(v) The Life Vicarious Blog AAB's Jason Zenga and House of Pain's Everlast weigh in. Post dated 29 September 2010 web.archive.org/web/20120502104939/http://www.thelifevicarious.com/the_life_vicarious/2010/09/aabs-jason-zenga-and-house-of-pains-everlast-weigh-in.html
(vi) Posters and Prints Blog More Jason Zenga + Art Asylum Boston Theft & Fraud Information Post dated 28 September 2010 www.postersandprintsblog.com/postersandprintsblog/2010/9/28/more-jason-zenga-art-asylum-boston-theft-fraud-information.html
(vii) Posters and Prints Blog Art Asylum Boston Rips Off Everlast From House Of Pain Post dated 20 September 2010 www.postersandprintsblog.com/postersandprintsblog/2010/9/20/art-asylum-boston-rips-off-everlast-from-house-of-pain.html
(viii) Tomopop.com (collectible toy culture blog) Art Asylum Boston: scammers extraordinaire? Post dated 28 September 2010 web.archive.org/web/20111203185650/tomopop.com/art-asylum-boston-scammers-extraordinaire--14806.phtml
(ix) Freshnessmag.com KAWS WEIGHS IN ON ART ASYLUM BOSTON CONTROVERSY "NO ASSOCIATION" Post dated 24 September 2010 www.freshnessmag.com/2010/09/24/kaws-weighs-in-on-art-asylum-boston-controversy-no-association/
(x) Collecting Street and Graffiti Art Blog ART ASYLUM BOSTON CAUGHT IN A QUAGMIRE ! Post dated 24 September 2010 web.archive.org/web/20121209013926/http://collectingstreetandgraffitiart.blogspot.com/2010/09/art-asylum-boston-caught-in-quagmire-of.html
(xi) Collecting Street and Graffiti Art Blog ART ASYLUM BOSTON TANGLES WITH GRAMMY AWARD WINNING RAPPER Post dated 17 September 2010 web.archive.org/web/20100923131137/http://collectingstreetandgraffitiart.blogspot.com/2010/09/art-asylum-boston-tangles-with-grammy.html
12. Traits and modus operandi of Zenga (typical of many long-term fraudsters)
(i) displaying superficial charm and faux sincerity; reasonably articulate and highly manipulative; compulsive liar; quite capable of coming across as legitimate by association โ by giving the false appearance of having close ties with well-known artists and reputable professionals; willing to share his knowledge of contemporary art and the art market in order to gain trust; displaying relative calm when challenged in written communications;
(ii) using multiple aliases and an assortment of email, forum, or eBay (and probably social media) accounts when selling and scamming โ even pretending at times to be female;
(iii) not averse to relying on fabricated stories that involve sick children and charity to lower people's guards and defraud them more effectively;
(iv) carrying out a few legitimate transactions to build a reputation and establish goodwill, before reverting back to conning people โ including by selling counterfeits, selling the same pieces more than once to different buyers, not actually sending to buyers the artwork they paid for;
(v) at times being cagey about revealing where he's actually located or specific details of his past;
(vi) claiming he's had issues with PayPal, to persuade buyers to use a payment method that is less secure for them, e.g. bank transfer (or possibly one that invalidates PayPal's buyer protection, such as multiple PayPal invoices for a single item purchased);
(vii) being proactively keen and communicative before receiving the sale proceeds, but frustratingly difficult to get hold of afterwards (not answering calls or responding to messages seeking updates);
(viii) delaying shipping (these delays often being protracted), having to be repeatedly chased for tracking details instead of volunteering this information to buyers, providing multiple excuses for the delays (some of them implausible or nonsensical), lying about having shipped items, and giving false tracking numbers; and
(ix) achieving relative success when it comes to online negative-content suppression to help cover his tracks, including by harassing those who call out his thieving, and issuing threats or take-down notices to get inconvenient posts, threads, links and web pages (detailing his past scamming) removed from search-engine results pages.
13. Photos of Jason Zenga
Please bear in mind that many of the images below are now over a decade old. Note as well their moody pretentiousness. And stench of narcissism.
Message to collectors:
If this individual appears on screen at the beginning of your Skype or Zoom chat with a seller, you have been duly warned.
Can this be true? Tell me, can this be real? How can I put into words what I feel?
Yeah, on the catwalk, on the catwalk, yeah I shake my little tush on the catwalk
Would you cry, if you saw me crying? And would you save my soul tonight?
Recent multiple sale posts from a new account reminded me * it's been some time since we last heard from the lowlife thief and fraudster, Jason Zenga. There was a depressing predictability with which he would always reappear, like a turd refusing to be flushed. It made me wonder how long our current grace period will last for, and whether we might be living on borrowed time. Given the substantial number of people Zenga managed to defraud in the past, including on this forum, a fresh thread may be helpful in discouraging complacency within our ranks. What follows is for the benefit of anyone needing a refresher. JASON ZENGAApparently born on 9 or 22 September 1979, and now in his early forties. 1. Other names, possible aliases, past girlfriends, wives and/or cohorts
- Jason Robert Zenga - Jason R Zenga - Jason Zeng / Jason Zenag - Jason Ciccarello / Jason Chicarello - Jason Mattarazo - James Dakin - Juliann Cyhan / Juli Cyhan [Fellow scammer at Art Asylum Boston, and mother of his child (or one of his children), a son born in 2012.]- Dorine (Coello) Zenga [Wife or ex-wife.]- Crystal Mello - Renรฉe Moschella / Renรฉe Moschelle - Leah Cefalo - Nicole Francis 2. Known previous occupations
(i) prolific scammer and failed gallerist at Art Asylum Boston in Lynn, Massachusetts; (ii) prolific eBay scammer; (iii) Los Angeles-based failed DJ (albeit self-described as "internationally acclaimed") with different stage names: High Def * / High-Def *, Zenga *, and DJay-Z *; and (iv) possibly works or has worked as a framer***. 3. Known city residences (past and present)
- Los Angeles, California (last known location) - Boston, Lynn, Quincy, and Fitchburg, Massachusetts 4. Known email addresses previously used for scamming
- jasonz1023@yahoo.com - jayzen1122@gmail.com - jameshdkin49@yahoo.com - adrianz5678@yahoo.com - ncole1288@yahoo.com - artasylumboston@yahoo.com 5. Known telephone numbers previously used for scamming
- +1 (323) 819-4240 - +1 (339) 440-6728 6. Known eBay user IDs previously used for scamming
- juliz1215*- silvercity11*- sweet_art*- caligraffiti09- jaycole1218 7. Known or probable usernames on the Urban Art Association
(i) darkcity [darkcity; registered in February 2016; post suggesting he was communicating under the name James*]; (ii) godspeed [Registered circa 2015; deleted account]; (iii) missnicole12 [missnicole12; registered in November 2013]; (iv) deltaone [Registered circa 2012; deleted account]; and (v) blackice [Registered circa 2011; deleted account]. 8. Some UAA threads related to Zenga
(i) JASON ZENGA/DARKCITY SCAMMERThread started in July 2016urbanartassociation.com/thread/140632/jason-zenga-darkcity-scammer(ii) JASON ZENGA - Kaws Running Chum Silkscreen Set - darkcityThread started in July 2016urbanartassociation.com/thread/140476/jason-zenga-running-silkscreen-darkcity(iii) Collection For Sale (JASON ZENGA!) Kaws, Banksy, retna etcThread started in May 2016urbanartassociation.com/thread/138863/collection-jason-zenga-banksy-retna(iv) Leah Cefalo / GodspeedThread started in June 2015urbanartassociation.com/thread/131112/leah-cefalo-godspeed(v) Who is Godspeed?Thread started in May 2015urbanartassociation.com/thread/129547/who-godspeed(vi) MissNicole12 = Jason ZengaThread started December 2013urbanartassociation.com/thread/111633/missnicole12-jason-zenga(vii) For Sale: HowNosm storm predictionsThread started November 2013urbanartassociation.com/thread/111250/fs-hownosm-storm-predictions (viii) For Sale or trade: Jose Parla WTL & 184TH ST.Thread started November 2013urbanartassociation.com/thread/111594/trade-jose-parla-wtl-184th(ix) Jason Zenga = THIEFThread started in February 2013urbanartassociation.com/thread/103898/jason-zenga-thief(x) Beware: Jason Zenga strikes back!!!Thread started in July 2012urbanartassociation.com/thread/97441/beware-jason-zenga-strikes-back(xi) Art Asylum Boston / Jason Zenga scammer is BACK!Thread started in May 2012urbanartassociation.com/thread/96101/asylum-boston-jason-zenga-scammer(xii) For Sale: Breaking up entire collectionThread started in January 2012urbanartassociation.com/thread/91300/fs-breaking-entire-collection (xiii) For Sale: RETNA HPM "Got Paint II"Thread started in September 2011urbanartassociation.com/thread/87309/fs-retna-hpm-got-paint (xiv) Kaws running chum print setThread started in March 2011urbanartassociation.com/thread/68661/kaws-running-chum-print-set(xv) Art Asylum Boston - Jason Zenga InvestigationThread started in September 2010urbanartassociation.com/thread/69369/asylum-boston-jason-zenga-investigation9. Some Kidrobot Forums threads related to Zenga
(i) SCAMMER ALERT: ART ASYLUM BOSTON!Thread started in September 2010web.archive.org/web/20120127061534/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=164642(ii) NEW COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST ART ASYLUM BOSTONThread started in September 2010web.archive.org/web/20120127002044/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=164474(iii) Arkiv Instant exclusive You choose the color!Thread started in March 2010web.archive.org/web/20120126225013/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=156776(iv) anyone ever order fmor ART ASYLUM in boston b4?Thread started in November 2009web.archive.org/web/20120127002018/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=150093(v) (WARNING! Watch out for Art Asylum Boston! (re: KAWS)Thread started in July 2009web.archive.org/web/20120126232449/http://forums.kidrobot.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=14055110. TheGiant.org thread related to Zenga
Banned under the username 'artasylumboston' in 2009 "for reasons of Community Trust". Art Asylum Boston: Fakes, Theft and Sketchy ThingsThread started in March 2009forum.thegiant.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21192&start=2511. Some of the many blog posts related to Zenga
(i) Fakestencils.blog Work Stolen by Jason ZengaPost dated 11 February 2011fakestencils.blogspot.com/2011/02/work-stolen-by-jason-zenga.html(ii) The Life Vicarious Blog Jason Zenga, Juliann Cyhan: Not in jail, getting married?Post dated 11 December 2011web.archive.org/web/20120313031613/www.thelifevicarious.com/the_life_vicarious/2011/12/jason-zenga-juliann-cyhan-not-in-jail-getting-married.html(iii) The Life Vicarious Blog How Art Asylum Boston lost their leverage.Post dated 7 October 2010web.archive.org/web/20120313043424/http://www.thelifevicarious.com/the_life_vicarious/2010/10/how-art-asylum-boston-got-to-this-point-website-down.html(iv) The Life Vicarious Blog Art Asylum Boston's Art 4 Hearts PayPal problem.Post dated 30 September 2010web.archive.org/web/20120903105155/http://www.thelifevicarious.com:80/the_life_vicarious/2010/09/juliann-cyhans-and-art-asylum-bostons-art-4-hearts-problem.html(v) The Life Vicarious Blog AAB's Jason Zenga and House of Pain's Everlast weigh in.Post dated 29 September 2010web.archive.org/web/20120502104939/http://www.thelifevicarious.com/the_life_vicarious/2010/09/aabs-jason-zenga-and-house-of-pains-everlast-weigh-in.html(vi) Posters and Prints Blog More Jason Zenga + Art Asylum Boston Theft & Fraud InformationPost dated 28 September 2010www.postersandprintsblog.com/postersandprintsblog/2010/9/28/more-jason-zenga-art-asylum-boston-theft-fraud-information.html(vii) Posters and Prints Blog Art Asylum Boston Rips Off Everlast From House Of PainPost dated 20 September 2010www.postersandprintsblog.com/postersandprintsblog/2010/9/20/art-asylum-boston-rips-off-everlast-from-house-of-pain.html(viii) Tomopop.com (collectible toy culture blog) Art Asylum Boston: scammers extraordinaire?Post dated 28 September 2010web.archive.org/web/20111203185650/tomopop.com/art-asylum-boston-scammers-extraordinaire--14806.phtml(ix) Freshnessmag.com KAWS WEIGHS IN ON ART ASYLUM BOSTON CONTROVERSY "NO ASSOCIATION"Post dated 24 September 2010www.freshnessmag.com/2010/09/24/kaws-weighs-in-on-art-asylum-boston-controversy-no-association/(x) Collecting Street and Gra ffiti Art Blog ART ASYLUM BOSTON CAUGHT IN A QUAGMIRE !Post dated 24 September 2010web.archive.org/web/20121209013926/http://collectingstreetandgraffitiart.blogspot.com/2010/09/art-asylum-boston-caught-in-quagmire-of.html(xi) Collecting Street and Gra ffiti Art Blog ART ASYLUM BOSTON TANGLES WITH GRAMMY AWARD WINNING RAPPERPost dated 17 September 2010web.archive.org/web/20100923131137/http://collectingstreetandgraffitiart.blogspot.com/2010/09/art-asylum-boston-tangles-with-grammy.html12. Traits and modus operandi of Zenga (typical of many long-term fraudsters)
(i) displaying superficial charm and faux sincerity; reasonably articulate and highly manipulative; compulsive liar; quite capable of coming across as legitimate by association โ by giving the false appearance of having close ties with well-known artists and reputable professionals; willing to share his knowledge of contemporary art and the art market in order to gain trust; displaying relative calm when challenged in written communications; (ii) using multiple aliases and an assortment of email, forum, or eB ay (and probably social media) accounts when selling and scamming โ even pretending at times to be female; (iii) not averse to relying on fabricated stories that involve sick children and charity to lower people's guards and defraud them more effectively; (iv) carrying out a few legitimate transactions to build a reputation and establish goodwill, before reverting back to conning people โ including by selling counterfeits, selling the same pieces more than once to different buyers, not actually sending to buyers the artwork they paid for; (v) at times being cagey about revealing where he's actually located or specific details of his past; (vi) claiming he's had issues with PayPal, to persuade buyers to use a payment method that is less secure for them, e.g. bank transfer (or possibly one that invalidates PayPal's buyer protection, such as multiple PayPal invoices for a single item purchased); (vii) being proactively keen and communicative before receiving the sale proceeds, but frustratingly difficult to get hold of afterwards (not answering calls or responding to messages seeking updates); (viii) delaying shipping (these delays often being protracted), having to be repeatedly chased for tracking details instead of volunteering this information to buyers, providing multiple excuses for the delays (some of them implausible or nonsensical), lying about having shipped items, and giving false tracking numbers; and (ix) achieving relative success when it comes to online negative-content suppression to help cover his tracks, including by harassing those who call out his thieving, and issuing threats or take-down notices to get inconvenient posts, threads, links and web pages (detailing his past scamming) removed from search-engine results pages. 13. Photos of Jason Zenga
Please bear in mind that many of the images below are now over a decade old. Note as well their moody pretentiousness. And stench of narcissism. Message to collectors: If this individual appears on screen at the beginning of your Skype or Zoom chat with a seller, you have been duly warned. Can this be true? Tell me, can this be real? How can I put into words what I feel?Yeah, on the catwalk, on the catwalk, yeah I shake my little tush on the catwalkWould you cry, if you saw me crying? And would you save my soul tonight?
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[SOLD] Genieve Figgis - Heracles and Omphale - Print , by met on May 27, 2021 0:45:51 GMT 1, Hi there โ New here but not new to collecting. This was my first ever post on this forum. All I did was look at other posts to see how you all are communicating here. Happy for anyone to reach out / hop on a zoom or any of the other number of precautionary measures you outlined below. Thanks! [...] oldejames โ In the interest of transparency and buyer peace of mind, please could you confirm your other current or previous username(s) on this forum. [...]
Many thanks for the prompt reply.
Its non-defensive tone was most welcome, and I appreciated the confirmation that you've never had another account here.
[Individuals almost inevitably drop in my esteem whenever I discover they're hiding behind multiple usernames on this forum โ whether it be to:
(i) hype the art in their own collections; (ii) increase the perceived interest in, or value of, an item being sold; (iii) snipe at or abuse other members more anonymously; (iv) give the false impression their opinions in an argument are shared by a larger number of people; (v) lowball sellers to chip away at their price expectations; or (vi) shield themselves from criticism when reselling or flipping, and avoid damaging their standing on the forum (built up under a separate account).
All of it is deceitful, wretched, and just so cowardly.]
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A further point regarding Skype or Zoom calls (which, once again, collectors are recommended to consider when distance-purchasing from people they don't know):
I should have mentioned these have the additional benefit of allowing buyers to verify that sellers are in possession of the relevant art. Besides helping to identify cases of outright fraud, this can also weed out the numerous dealers who:
(a) neither own nor hold the art they're trying to sell; and
(b) have dishonestly failed to disclose their status as mere brokers, as opposed to actual owners.
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Coming from a newly-registered account, what your sale posts reminded me is that (at least based on his previous behaviour) this forum was due another herpes-style outbreak by the recurrent art thief and scammer, Jason Zenga.
To my fellow members, do exercise good judgement. And stay on your toes.
Take sensible precautions when buying from strangers on the internet, especially if you sense they're being overly guarded about disclosing their identity and location.
Hi there โ New here but not new to collecting. This was my first ever post on this forum. All I did was look at other posts to see how you all are communicating here. Happy for anyone to reach out / hop on a zoom or any of the other number of precautionary measures you outlined below. Thanks! [...] oldejames โ In the interest of transparency and buyer peace of mind, please could you confirm your other current or previous username(s) on this forum. [...] Many thanks for the prompt reply. Its non-defensive tone was most welcome, and I appreciated the confirmation that you've never had another account here. [Individuals almost inevitably drop in my esteem whenever I discover they're hiding behind multiple usernames on this forum โ whether it be to:
(i) hype the art in their own collections; (ii) increase the perceived interest in, or value of, an item being sold; (iii) snipe at or abuse other members more anonymously; (iv) give the false impression their opinions in an argument are shared by a larger number of people; (v) lowball sellers to chip away at their price expectations; or (vi) shield themselves from criticism when reselling or flipping, and avoid damaging their standing on the forum (built up under a separate account).
All of it is deceitful, wretched, and just so cowardly.]__________ A further point regarding Skype or Zoom calls (which, once again, collectors are recommended to consider when distance-purchasing from people they don't know): I should have mentioned these have the additional benefit of allowing buyers to verify that sellers are in possession of the relevant art. Besides helping to identify cases of outright fraud, this can also weed out the numerous dealers who: (a) neither own nor hold the art they're trying to sell; and (b) have dishonestly failed to disclose their status as mere brokers, as opposed to actual owners. __________ Coming from a newly-registered account, what your sale posts reminded me is that (at least based on his previous behaviour) this forum was due another herpes-style outbreak by the recurrent art thief and scammer, Jason Zenga. To my fellow members, do exercise good judgement. And stay on your toes. Take sensible precautions when buying from strangers on the internet, especially if you sense they're being overly guarded about disclosing their identity and location.
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[SOLD] Genieve Figgis - Heracles and Omphale - Print , by met on May 25, 2021 7:24:52 GMT 1, Some first post!Only other one of these I have seen available is $15k so price seems fair [...]
Granted, astbury, it's a new account. But does it read like a first post?
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oldejames โ In the interest of transparency and buyer peace of mind, please could you confirm your other current or previous username(s) on this forum.
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To potential buyers, especially less experienced ones, some tips for protecting yourselves:
1. Try having at least one of the initial discussions via Skype or Zoom, rather than relying exclusively on more anonymous written or telephone communications โ to get a better feel for the seller, by seeing if they're pleasant, forthcoming, and otherwise demonstrating good faith.
2. As a precautionary measure for higher-value transactions, consider asking for a seller's proof of identity (e.g. valid passport) and perhaps even physical address (e.g. recent utility bill).
3. Google the seller โ their name, telephone number, email address, home or work address โ to check whether they have a reassuring presence online (which may help to rule out the possibility they've given you a fake name or pseudonym, along with a burner phone number and email account).
4. Get the seller's references for some of their previous sales, and follow them up.
5. Find out in advance what provenance or authenticity documentation will accompany the art being sold, to ensure you're comfortable with it.
6. Where possible, verify the art's purported provenance and ownership title.
7. Insist on a detailed description of the condition of the art, accompanied by clear, high-res photographs (front, back, sides, and some at an angle in natural, raking light), with a particular emphasis on any damage, however minor โ tears, marks, surface dirt, scuffing, abrasions, cracked paint or ink, pigment loss, water stains, foxing, discolouration, light damage, mount damage, skinning, adhesive residue, handling creases, rolling creases, corner dents, buckling, trimming, etc.
8. Request information about any restoration work carried out on the piece โ including professional flattening, which can slightly discolour a work on paper, alter its surface texture and (if very carelessly done) also flatten out a blind stamp.
9. Should an agreement to purchase be reached in principle, ask the seller to confirm they will take the piece off the market, and not continue to offer it to other buyers.
10. A face-to-face completion in a secure location during daytime is recommended, and will allow the condition of the artwork to be checked against the description provided. Please do not be stupid, by turning up with large sums of cash in your pockets when meeting a stranger. Rely instead on a smartphone for a PayPal transfer or, if you're confident enough, a bank transfer.
11. If geography prevents a face-to-face completion, pay in a manner that gives you recourse, such as with PayPal, in case the art doesn't arrive, it shows up damaged, or you end up receiving a counterfeit or stolen piece.
12. If geography prevents a face-to-face completion, make the sale conditional upon the seller also undertaking to:
(i) carefully package the art and ship it using suitably robust, protective packaging that is capable of withstanding the inevitable hard knocks and bashes in transit;
(ii) arrange a fully-insured, very prompt dispatch (within, say, two business days of receiving the sale proceeds) with a pre-agreed and preferably express courier service; and
(iii) immediately follow-up in writing and provide you with valid tracking details or other relevant updates for the parcel.
During the course of your dealings with a seller, you might sense they're being oddly evasive, uncommunicative, or creating other obstacles in relation to some of the points in 1 to 12 above. If so, then use your good judgement on whether to pursue any further.
There are plenty of charming, talented and experienced scammers in the art market, as well as less nefarious individuals who may still bend the truth or mislead you just to secure a sale. They know which buttons to push, and how to create a sense of urgency. They know that the possibility of losing out on a bargain is what many buyers fear most.
Do keep this mind. Try not to be the sucker who gets ripped off because they were overly keen and ignored the red flags.
Good luck. And remember the Golden Rule.
Some first post!Only other one of these I have seen available is $15k so price seems fair [...] Granted, astbury, it's a new account. But does it read like a first post? __________ oldejames โ In the interest of transparency and buyer peace of mind, please could you confirm your other current or previous username(s) on this forum. __________ To potential buyers, especially less experienced ones, some tips for protecting yourselves:1. Try having at least one of the initial discussions via Skype or Zoom, rather than relying exclusively on more anonymous written or telephone communications โ to get a better feel for the seller, by seeing if they're pleasant, forthcoming, and otherwise demonstrating good faith. 2. As a precautionary measure for higher-value transactions, consider asking for a seller's proof of identity (e.g. valid passport) and perhaps even physical address (e.g. recent utility bill). 3. Google the seller โ their name, telephone number, email address, home or work address โ to check whether they have a reassuring presence online (which may help to rule out the possibility they've given you a fake name or pseudonym, along with a burner phone number and email account). 4. Get the seller's references for some of their previous sales, and follow them up. 5. Find out in advance what provenance or authenticity documentation will accompany the art being sold, to ensure you're comfortable with it. 6. Where possible, verify the art's purported provenance and ownership title. 7. Insist on a detailed description of the condition of the art, accompanied by clear, high-res photographs (front, back, sides, and some at an angle in natural, raking light), with a particular emphasis on any damage, however minor โ tears, marks, surface dirt, scuffing, abrasions, cracked paint or ink, pigment loss, water stains, foxing, discolouration, light damage, mount damage, skinning, adhesive residue, handling creases, rolling creases, corner dents, buckling, trimming, etc. 8. Request information about any restoration work carried out on the piece โ including professional flattening, which can slightly discolour a work on paper, alter its surface texture and (if very carelessly done) also flatten out a blind stamp. 9. Should an agreement to purchase be reached in principle, ask the seller to confirm they will take the piece off the market, and not continue to offer it to other buyers. 10. A face-to-face completion in a secure location during daytime is recommended, and will allow the condition of the artwork to be checked against the description provided. Please do not be stupid, by turning up with large sums of cash in your pockets when meeting a stranger. Rely instead on a smartphone for a PayPal transfer or, if you're confident enough, a bank transfer. 11. If geography prevents a face-to-face completion, pay in a manner that gives you recourse, such as with PayPal, in case the art doesn't arrive, it shows up damaged, or you end up receiving a counterfeit or stolen piece. 12. If geography prevents a face-to-face completion, make the sale conditional upon the seller also undertaking to: (i) carefully package the art and ship it using suitably robust, protective packaging that is capable of withstanding the inevitable hard knocks and bashes in transit; (ii) arrange a fully-insured, very prompt dispatch (within, say, two business days of receiving the sale proceeds) with a pre-agreed and preferably express courier service; and (iii) immediately follow-up in writing and provide you with valid tracking details or other relevant updates for the parcel. During the course of your dealings with a seller, you might sense they're being oddly evasive, uncommunicative, or creating other obstacles in relation to some of the points in 1 to 12 above. If so, then use your good judgement on whether to pursue any further. There are plenty of charming, talented and experienced scammers in the art market, as well as less nefarious individuals who may still bend the truth or mislead you just to secure a sale. They know which buttons to push, and how to create a sense of urgency. They know that the possibility of losing out on a bargain is what many buyers fear most. Do keep this mind. Try not to be the sucker who gets ripped off because they were overly keen and ignored the red flags. Good luck. And remember the Golden Rule.
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[SOLD] Genieve Figgis - Heracles and Omphale - Print , by met on May 25, 2021 5:54:01 GMT 1, FOR SALE: Genieve Figgis "Heracles and Omphale (after Franรงois Boucher)" (2017) Archival pigment print 60 x 50 cm 23 5/8 x 19 5/8 inches Edition of 50 + 5 AP Signed and numbered on the back Purchased directly from Almine Rech Editions. Have original email receipt. Work is float framed with UltraVue UV70 Anti-Reflective Glass. Not sure edition number as it's signed / numbered on verso. Can remove frame for shipping and let interested parties know number out of 50. Located in Los Angeles--ideally would prefer local pickup, but as mentioned can remove frame for shipping. Asking $6,000 OBO. In no rush to sell. Please DM for actual images of work!
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FOR SALE: Genieve Figgis "Heracles and Omphale (after Franรงois Boucher)" (2017) Archival pigment print 60 x 50 cm 23 5/8 x 19 5/8 inches Edition of 50 + 5 AP Signed and numbered on the back Purchased directly from Almine Rech Editions. Have original email receipt. Work is float framed with UltraVue UV70 Anti-Reflective Glass. Not sure edition number as it's signed / numbered on verso. Can remove frame for shipping and let interested parties know number out of 50. Located in Los Angeles--ideally would prefer local pickup, but as mentioned can remove frame for shipping. Asking $6,000 OBO. In no rush to sell. Please DM for actual images of work! Quoted for posterity.
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[SOLD] Devin Troy Strother - Untitled 2018 - 2/40 Print, by met on May 25, 2021 5:51:47 GMT 1, FOR SALE Devin Troy Strother "Untitled", 2018 4-Color, Hand-pulled Silkscreen Print on Natural Rivoli 300g Paper 70 ร 50 cm 27 3/5 ร 19 7/10 in Hand-signed Edition 2 of 40 Purchased directly from V1 Gallery. Have original email receipt. Edition #2 of 40. Hand signed. No visible issues. Float framed with UV glass. $2000 OBO. Located in Los Angeles, but print can be removed for shipping if needed.
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FOR SALE Devin Troy Strother "Untitled", 2018 4-Color, Hand-pulled Silkscreen Print on Natural Rivoli 300g Paper 70 ร 50 cm 27 3/5 ร 19 7/10 in Hand-signed Edition 2 of 40 Purchased directly from V1 Gallery. Have original email receipt. Edition #2 of 40. Hand signed. No visible issues. Float framed with UV glass. $2000 OBO. Located in Los Angeles, but print can be removed for shipping if needed. Quoted for posterity.
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[SOLD] Wes Lang 'Standing On The Moon' (2013) - Signed, by met on May 25, 2021 5:50:14 GMT 1, FOR SALE Wes Lang "Standing On The Moon" (2013) Archival pigment on paper 22" x 31" Limited Edition of 100 Signed and dated en verso Purchased directly from Exhibition A. Have original email receipt. Limited Edition of 100. Not sure how many of these were signed en verso as their site lists that the edition was accompanied by a signed certificate of authenticity. This one was purchased at the beginning of 2019 as a 'from the archives' promotion from Exhibition A. Work is unframed and located in Los Angeles. Asking $2000 OBO. Please DM for actual pictures!
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FOR SALE Wes Lang "Standing On The Moon" (2013) Archival pigment on paper 22" x 31" Limited Edition of 100 Signed and dated en verso Purchased directly from Exhibition A. Have original email receipt. Limited Edition of 100. Not sure how many of these were signed en verso as their site lists that the edition was accompanied by a signed certificate of authenticity. This one was purchased at the beginning of 2019 as a 'from the archives' promotion from Exhibition A. Work is unframed and located in Los Angeles. Asking $2000 OBO. Please DM for actual pictures! Quoted for posterity.
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[SOLD] Katherine Bradford 'Seaside, 1 Woman, 2 Men' #23, by met on May 25, 2021 5:48:52 GMT 1,
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[SOLD] Aaron Johnson "A Tomcat and a Cowboy Walk..." PP, by met on May 25, 2021 5:47:08 GMT 1, FOR SALE Aaron Johnson "A Tomcat and a Cowboy Walk Into a Bar" (2018) Giclee print in colors on Aquarelle Textured Rag paper Printers Proof 2 of 3 Signed Edition of 30 Purchased directly from Static Medium with email receipt. This one is a rare printers proof numbered 2 of only 3. Signed by Aaron Johnson on the front. Edition size is 30. Located in Los Angeles, unframed. $1000 OBO. DM for pics!
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FOR SALE Aaron Johnson "A Tomcat and a Cowboy Walk Into a Bar" (2018) Giclee print in colors on Aquarelle Textured Rag paper Printers Proof 2 of 3 Signed Edition of 30 Purchased directly from Static Medium with email receipt. This one is a rare printers proof numbered 2 of only 3. Signed by Aaron Johnson on the front. Edition size is 30. Located in Los Angeles, unframed. $1000 OBO. DM for pics! Quoted for posterity.
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