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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Fะฏ on Jul 24, 2018 8:30:35 GMT 1, The market definitely seems to move in a cycle of boom and then bust for some artists, whilst others carry on steadily selling with more of a dedicated fan base (presumably) or at least not such a strong flippers/secondary market appeal. When I first joined 4 years ago their was a lot of hype around Dolk. Now I can't remember the last time anyone posted about him. Because he went slightly mental.
The market definitely seems to move in a cycle of boom and then bust for some artists, whilst others carry on steadily selling with more of a dedicated fan base (presumably) or at least not such a strong flippers/secondary market appeal. When I first joined 4 years ago their was a lot of hype around Dolk. Now I can't remember the last time anyone posted about him. Because he went slightly mental.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jul 24, 2018 8:31:42 GMT 1, PS when the bubble bursts I will be ready to buy. ย
Add me in too lol
PS when the bubble bursts I will be ready to buy. ย Add me in too lol
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Carl Cashman on Jul 24, 2018 8:32:42 GMT 1, The market definitely seems to move in a cycle of boom and then bust for some artists, whilst others carry on steadily selling with more of a dedicated fan base (presumably) or at least not such a strong flippers/secondary market appeal. When I first joined 4 years ago their was a lot of hype around Dolk. Now I can't remember the last time anyone posted about him. Keying cars as Art kinda ended his relevance on here. I mean maybe it has substance... but it was quite the leap from stencil
The market definitely seems to move in a cycle of boom and then bust for some artists, whilst others carry on steadily selling with more of a dedicated fan base (presumably) or at least not such a strong flippers/secondary market appeal. When I first joined 4 years ago their was a lot of hype around Dolk. Now I can't remember the last time anyone posted about him. Keying cars as Art kinda ended his relevance on here. I mean maybe it has substance... but it was quite the leap from stencil
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Express Post on Jul 24, 2018 8:33:21 GMT 1, Why not start now? Adam Neate, Micallef and Nick Walker are a beckoning.
PS when the bubble bursts I will be ready to buy. ย Add me in too lol
Why not start now? Adam Neate, Micallef and Nick Walker are a beckoning. PS when the bubble bursts I will be ready to buy. ย Add me in too lol
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jul 24, 2018 9:58:27 GMT 1, Why not start now? Adam Neate, Micallef and Nick Walker are a beckoning.
Adam Neate is the only one that has appealed to me on the list and lack of wall space is stopping me from adding anything else.
Why not start now? Adam Neate, Micallef and Nick Walker are a beckoning. Adam Neate is the only one that has appealed to me on the list and lack of wall space is stopping me from adding anything else.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Carl Cashman on Jul 24, 2018 9:59:55 GMT 1, Great time to purchase Micallef, his work is criminally undervalued compared to a lot of current favourites
Great time to purchase Micallef, his work is criminally undervalued compared to a lot of current favourites
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by whob1 on Jul 24, 2018 10:35:28 GMT 1, Haha "Death - Whats in it for me?"
Haha "Death - Whats in it for me?"
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Lroy on Jul 24, 2018 10:59:45 GMT 1, NO, IT IS NOT. LOTS OF GOOD STUFF OUT THERE. I am agreeing.
A certain street-art is dead ( maybe the print market won't be anymore the one that it was before Pow closing. A lot of prints - anyway there were too many prints for nothing, awful or withour interest, from the same inspiration ( geishas, war and kids, Disney parody, childish stencils, etc etc ) will loose a lot of value, but we don't buy prints for value, hey ?!.
There is now some impressive ( ok, there is sometimes gigantic kind of murals as Russia or Mao propaganda ) murals or walls. Some ( most ? ) are commissionned, some others no. Is comissioned artworks show us the death of a certain street-art ( as for graffiti ), provocative, rebel, revendicative etc;.. Faile art in Strasbourg was, is, impressive, smart, cultural, ludic and lovely. It s a real new kind of street-art as it is a narrative one, telling a poem, a story. I prefer a lot mental and creative minds of other foreign countries ( UK, Germany, Spain USA, East of Europe etc.. ) than the French ones, always snobish. Why ? As in rock 'n roll, they are too much pretentiousness, and condescendants. And it is the wrongest artists that are the worst, painting childish thema ! Hopefully, artists as Invader ( top one ! ) , is still here , up on his ladder to put ludic , creative and sympathetic artworks.
NO, IT IS NOT. LOTS OF GOOD STUFF OUT THERE. I am agreeing. A certain street-art is dead ( maybe the print market won't be anymore the one that it was before Pow closing. A lot of prints - anyway there were too many prints for nothing, awful or withour interest, from the same inspiration ( geishas, war and kids, Disney parody, childish stencils, etc etc ) will loose a lot of value, but we don't buy prints for value, hey ?!. There is now some impressive ( ok, there is sometimes gigantic kind of murals as Russia or Mao propaganda ) murals or walls. Some ( most ? ) are commissionned, some others no. Is comissioned artworks show us the death of a certain street-art ( as for graffiti ), provocative, rebel, revendicative etc;.. Faile art in Strasbourg was, is, impressive, smart, cultural, ludic and lovely. It s a real new kind of street-art as it is a narrative one, telling a poem, a story. I prefer a lot mental and creative minds of other foreign countries ( UK, Germany, Spain USA, East of Europe etc.. ) than the French ones, always snobish. Why ? As in rock 'n roll, they are too much pretentiousness, and condescendants. And it is the wrongest artists that are the worst, painting childish thema ! Hopefully, artists as Invader ( top one ! ) , is still here , up on his ladder to put ludic , creative and sympathetic artworks.
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Same as the thread about " your prefered woman street-artist or artsit " .. Every year someone opens a thread about...
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 11:49:51 GMT 1, It's dead, although I'm actively buying it all up, so yeah, is it really dead?
It's dead, although I'm actively buying it all up, so yeah, is it really dead?
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Express Post on Jul 24, 2018 12:08:12 GMT 1, Look forward to seeing your collection of Micallef, Neate, and Nick Walker.
It's dead, although I'm actively buying it all up, so yeah, is it really dead?
Look forward to seeing your collection of Micallef, Neate, and Nick Walker. It's dead, although I'm actively buying it all up, so yeah, is it really dead?
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Carl Cashman on Jul 24, 2018 12:19:33 GMT 1,
All of those Micallef prints from 2005 onwards that are so 'criminally undervalued' are because Antony has cut himself from that and has nothing to do with it. It has no connection with what he's moved onto now. Neate was hyped by 'you know who' and many people got suckered in and burnt. Faile... 'I used to love those thick lashings of paint', lol.... Nowadays means nothing at all. Other than Banksy, (Retna/Kaws), the rest is just trash, won't be worth tuppence ha'ppeny.
Cool, so on that logic spot paintings are worth fk all now and retnas calligraphy will crash ? My point though was more about what ยฃ400/500 gets you from Someone that is a current favourite, his style may have moved on but he'll certainly still be around in another decade.
Retna seems 1 session away from being locked up for a long time... id try to not put all the eggs in his basket.
All of those Micallef prints from 2005 onwards that are so 'criminally undervalued' are because Antony has cut himself from that and has nothing to do with it. It has no connection with what he's moved onto now. Neate was hyped by 'you know who' and many people got suckered in and burnt. Faile... 'I used to love those thick lashings of paint', lol.... Nowadays means nothing at all. Other than Banksy, (Retna/Kaws), the rest is just trash, won't be worth tuppence ha'ppeny. Cool, so on that logic spot paintings are worth fk all now and retnas calligraphy will crash ? My point though was more about what ยฃ400/500 gets you from Someone that is a current favourite, his style may have moved on but he'll certainly still be around in another decade. Retna seems 1 session away from being locked up for a long time... id try to not put all the eggs in his basket.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 12:21:20 GMT 1, Look forward to seeing your collection of Micallef, Neate, and Nick Walker. It's dead, although I'm actively buying it all up, so yeah, is it really dead? Its all Pejac, every single bit of it, and its going through THE ROOF
Look forward to seeing your collection of Micallef, Neate, and Nick Walker. It's dead, although I'm actively buying it all up, so yeah, is it really dead? Its all Pejac, every single bit of it, and its going through THE ROOF
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Express Post on Jul 24, 2018 12:25:23 GMT 1, Nevermind, you missed the point.
Look forward to seeing your collection of Micallef, Neate, and Nick Walker. Its all Pejac, every single bit of it, and its going through THE ROOF
Nevermind, you missed the point. Look forward to seeing your collection of Micallef, Neate, and Nick Walker. Its all Pejac, every single bit of it, and its going through THE ROOF
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 12:39:33 GMT 1, Personally I buy what I like so don't really care. Although if less people shared my taste would make some things cheaper for me so that would be good.
Lots of street art deserves to die though... like Martin Whatson for example, I really don't get the hype and I think it will die very quickly (if it hasn't started already).
Personally I buy what I like so don't really care. Although if less people shared my taste would make some things cheaper for me so that would be good.
Lots of street art deserves to die though... like Martin Whatson for example, I really don't get the hype and I think it will die very quickly (if it hasn't started already).
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by caruso on Jul 24, 2018 13:11:10 GMT 1, Art is subjective and prices determined by offer and demand. Anything tagged art eg with no intrinsic value other than beauty is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
In times of economic or political uncertainty prices go down because investors - who, like it or not, are always making up a part of the market along with genuine collectors and therefore contribute to drive prices up or down - investors become cautious and invest in gold and other safe investments rather than anything volatile.
This being said, read up on how impressionism was received initially and the initial value of the first pieces. Not too difficult to draw a parallel from it to urban art, then you will understand the main factor here is: time.
Will it go down? At first, sure. Will it go up? On the longer term, absolutely. Some pieces you've had/have in your hands will belong in museums.
Art is subjective and prices determined by offer and demand. Anything tagged art eg with no intrinsic value other than beauty is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
In times of economic or political uncertainty prices go down because investors - who, like it or not, are always making up a part of the market along with genuine collectors and therefore contribute to drive prices up or down - investors become cautious and invest in gold and other safe investments rather than anything volatile.
This being said, read up on how impressionism was received initially and the initial value of the first pieces. Not too difficult to draw a parallel from it to urban art, then you will understand the main factor here is: time.
Will it go down? At first, sure. Will it go up? On the longer term, absolutely. Some pieces you've had/have in your hands will belong in museums.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by isharkey on Jul 24, 2018 13:16:46 GMT 1, Personally I buy what I like so don't really care. Although if less people shared my taste would make some things cheaper for me so that would be good. Lots of street art deserves to die though... like Martin Whatson for example, I really don't get the hype and I think it will die very quickly (if it hasn't started already). Love my Martin Whatson Still Life.
Personally I buy what I like so don't really care. Although if less people shared my taste would make some things cheaper for me so that would be good. Lots of street art deserves to die though... like Martin Whatson for example, I really don't get the hype and I think it will die very quickly (if it hasn't started already). Love my Martin Whatson Still Life.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Express Post on Jul 24, 2018 13:26:16 GMT 1, Please don't compare Impressionism with Urban Art.
Back then, they went to school and were classically trained. They could paint, regardless. But instead of painting religious or allegorical images, they painted real life. They shunned the brush strokes and went full impression mode.
Today, the spraycan and stencils has allowed a lot more individuals to make pictures. That means folks with no experience can start putting out pictures into the world. And a lot of that is tat.
That being said, I can't wait to see an Apish Angel or a Vandal in the Tate Modern or Pompidou permanent collections.
Art is subjective and prices determined by offer and demand. Anything tagged art eg with no intrinsic value other than beauty is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In times of economic or political uncertainty prices go down because investors - who, like it or not, are always making up a part of the market along with genuine collectors and therefore contribute to drive prices up or down - investors become cautious and invest in gold and other safe investments rather than anything volatile. This being said, read up on how impressionism was received initially and the initial value of the first pieces. Not too difficult to draw a parallel from it to urban art, then you will understand the main factor here is: time. Will it go down? At first, sure. Will it go up? On the longer term, absolutely. Some pieces you've had/have in your hands will belong in museums.
Please don't compare Impressionism with Urban Art. Back then, they went to school and were classically trained. They could paint, regardless. But instead of painting religious or allegorical images, they painted real life. They shunned the brush strokes and went full impression mode. Today, the spraycan and stencils has allowed a lot more individuals to make pictures. That means folks with no experience can start putting out pictures into the world. And a lot of that is tat. That being said, I can't wait to see an Apish Angel or a Vandal in the Tate Modern or Pompidou permanent collections. Art is subjective and prices determined by offer and demand. Anything tagged art eg with no intrinsic value other than beauty is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In times of economic or political uncertainty prices go down because investors - who, like it or not, are always making up a part of the market along with genuine collectors and therefore contribute to drive prices up or down - investors become cautious and invest in gold and other safe investments rather than anything volatile. This being said, read up on how impressionism was received initially and the initial value of the first pieces. Not too difficult to draw a parallel from it to urban art, then you will understand the main factor here is: time. Will it go down? At first, sure. Will it go up? On the longer term, absolutely. Some pieces you've had/have in your hands will belong in museums.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 13:50:03 GMT 1, I agree that a new wave of younger collectors COULD come in especially if prices decreased, but I see it as unlikely. I don't think the millennial generation have the ability to make decisions, so unless these artists have instagram success, I think it will be a tough slog.
I don't know about you guys, but I found out about the artists I like by searching, and reading, and trying to find things I could afford. There was no instagram, it was the generation of banksy and invader, and finding my first invader in NYC is something that can never be replicated on social media.
So, in relation to the art market this will also translate. I think that any successful "urban/street" artist will have the ability to be a "studio only" artist, but they will all be new flash-in-the-pan creators, and not the real urban / street artists that we know and love. I maintain that the market for them all is in major jeopardy.
I agree that a new wave of younger collectors COULD come in especially if prices decreased, but I see it as unlikely. I don't think the millennial generation have the ability to make decisions, so unless these artists have instagram success, I think it will be a tough slog.
I don't know about you guys, but I found out about the artists I like by searching, and reading, and trying to find things I could afford. There was no instagram, it was the generation of banksy and invader, and finding my first invader in NYC is something that can never be replicated on social media.
So, in relation to the art market this will also translate. I think that any successful "urban/street" artist will have the ability to be a "studio only" artist, but they will all be new flash-in-the-pan creators, and not the real urban / street artists that we know and love. I maintain that the market for them all is in major jeopardy.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 13:58:26 GMT 1, Personally I buy what I like so don't really care. Although if less people shared my taste would make some things cheaper for me so that would be good. Lots of street art deserves to die though... like Martin Whatson for example, I really don't get the hype and I think it will die very quickly (if it hasn't started already). Love my Martin Whatson Still Life. It's all subjective, that's the beauty of it right. Be boring if we all just had the same things on our walls. For the record I actually really like that one, I just don't think he's doing anything that special. The Connection print especially I didn't understand the appeal at all. People just jump on trends, but most trends don't last. But as long as you like it that's all that matters. I know for certain I probably paid too much for some of my art but I'm still happy with them.
Personally I buy what I like so don't really care. Although if less people shared my taste would make some things cheaper for me so that would be good. Lots of street art deserves to die though... like Martin Whatson for example, I really don't get the hype and I think it will die very quickly (if it hasn't started already). Love my Martin Whatson Still Life. It's all subjective, that's the beauty of it right. Be boring if we all just had the same things on our walls. For the record I actually really like that one, I just don't think he's doing anything that special. The Connection print especially I didn't understand the appeal at all. People just jump on trends, but most trends don't last. But as long as you like it that's all that matters. I know for certain I probably paid too much for some of my art but I'm still happy with them.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2018 14:03:42 GMT 1, Talking about street art being dead or declining here is like going to a muscle car forum to talk about how muscle cars are in decline. Unless talking about prices with data you can't have an objective discussion in a specific forum with so much passion and emotion for that particular subject. So being realistic is not ok ? I'm not rooting for this, I'm a collector too. I'm just looking at what I'm seeing and commenting.
Talking about street art being dead or declining here is like going to a muscle car forum to talk about how muscle cars are in decline. Unless talking about prices with data you can't have an objective discussion in a specific forum with so much passion and emotion for that particular subject. So being realistic is not ok ? I'm not rooting for this, I'm a collector too. I'm just looking at what I'm seeing and commenting.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by chevyav53 on Jul 24, 2018 14:06:31 GMT 1, Talking about street art being dead or declining here is like going to a muscle car forum to talk about how muscle cars are in decline. Unless talking about prices with data you can't have an objective discussion in a specific forum with so much passion and emotion for that particular subject. So being realistic is not ok ? I'm not rooting for this, I'm a collector too. I'm just looking at what I'm seeing and commenting. It is, I'm saying you can't or it is extremely difficult do so in a place where people are so biased.
Talking about street art being dead or declining here is like going to a muscle car forum to talk about how muscle cars are in decline. Unless talking about prices with data you can't have an objective discussion in a specific forum with so much passion and emotion for that particular subject. So being realistic is not ok ? I'm not rooting for this, I'm a collector too. I'm just looking at what I'm seeing and commenting. It is, I'm saying you can't or it is extremely difficult do so in a place where people are so biased.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by chevyav53 on Jul 24, 2018 14:12:32 GMT 1, Please don't compare Impressionism with Urban Art. Back then, they went to school and were classically trained. They could paint, regardless. But instead of painting religious or allegorical images, they painted real life. They shunned the brush strokes and went full impression mode. Today, the spraycan and stencils has allowed a lot more individuals to make pictures. That means folks with no experience can start putting out pictures into the world. And a lot of that is tat. That being said, I can't wait to see an Apish Angel or a Vandal in the Tate Modern or Pompidou permanent collections. Art is subjective and prices determined by offer and demand. Anything tagged art eg with no intrinsic value other than beauty is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In times of economic or political uncertainty prices go down because investors - who, like it or not, are always making up a part of the market along with genuine collectors and therefore contribute to drive prices up or down - investors become cautious and invest in gold and other safe investments rather than anything volatile. This being said, read up on how impressionism was received initially and the initial value of the first pieces. Not too difficult to draw a parallel from it to urban art, then you will understand the main factor here is: time. Will it go down? At first, sure. Will it go up? On the longer term, absolutely. Some pieces you've had/have in your hands will belong in museums. Wait are you saying the Impressionist of the time went street and said FU Pope I'm painting what I want..... yet we can't compare?
Or that the street artists of today were not schooled in the arts? Take a look again, many of the top street artists followed/hyped here are schooled, some classically. More often than not it is needed for the artist to take their work to the next level.
Please don't compare Impressionism with Urban Art. Back then, they went to school and were classically trained. They could paint, regardless. But instead of painting religious or allegorical images, they painted real life. They shunned the brush strokes and went full impression mode. Today, the spraycan and stencils has allowed a lot more individuals to make pictures. That means folks with no experience can start putting out pictures into the world. And a lot of that is tat. That being said, I can't wait to see an Apish Angel or a Vandal in the Tate Modern or Pompidou permanent collections. Art is subjective and prices determined by offer and demand. Anything tagged art eg with no intrinsic value other than beauty is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. In times of economic or political uncertainty prices go down because investors - who, like it or not, are always making up a part of the market along with genuine collectors and therefore contribute to drive prices up or down - investors become cautious and invest in gold and other safe investments rather than anything volatile. This being said, read up on how impressionism was received initially and the initial value of the first pieces. Not too difficult to draw a parallel from it to urban art, then you will understand the main factor here is: time. Will it go down? At first, sure. Will it go up? On the longer term, absolutely. Some pieces you've had/have in your hands will belong in museums. Wait are you saying the Impressionist of the time went street and said FU Pope I'm painting what I want..... yet we can't compare? Or that the street artists of today were not schooled in the arts? Take a look again, many of the top street artists followed/hyped here are schooled, some classically. More often than not it is needed for the artist to take their work to the next level.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Express Post on Jul 24, 2018 14:30:46 GMT 1, Before you compare the impressionists, which street/urban artists are you referring to?
Urban art today is mainstream, so what is being put out there isn't groundbreaking anymore.
Only Banksy challenged the establishment.
For the rest of the urban/street artists, if it is their way of challenging the establishment by painting kids writing words on wall, tagging a tiger, bowler hat vandal pouring paint on top of buildings, spraypainted geisha girls, or comic strips on women's faces, it 's nonsense and does nothing at all for art.
Please don't compare Impressionism with Urban Art. Back then, they went to school and were classically trained. They could paint, regardless. But instead of painting religious or allegorical images, they painted real life. They shunned the brush strokes and went full impression mode. Today, the spraycan and stencils has allowed a lot more individuals to make pictures. That means folks with no experience can start putting out pictures into the world. And a lot of that is tat. That being said, I can't wait to see an Apish Angel or a Vandal in the Tate Modern or Pompidou permanent collections. Wait are you saying the Impressionist of the time went street and said FU Pope I'm painting what I want..... yet we can't compare? Or that the street artists of today were not schooled in the arts? Take a look again, many of the top street artists followed/hyped here are schooled, some classically. More often than not it is needed for the artist to take their work to the next level.ย ย
Before you compare the impressionists, which street/urban artists are you referring to? Urban art today is mainstream, so what is being put out there isn't groundbreaking anymore. Only Banksy challenged the establishment. For the rest of the urban/street artists, if it is their way of challenging the establishment by painting kids writing words on wall, tagging a tiger, bowler hat vandal pouring paint on top of buildings, spraypainted geisha girls, or comic strips on women's faces, it 's nonsense and does nothing at all for art. Please don't compare Impressionism with Urban Art. Back then, they went to school and were classically trained. They could paint, regardless. But instead of painting religious or allegorical images, they painted real life. They shunned the brush strokes and went full impression mode. Today, the spraycan and stencils has allowed a lot more individuals to make pictures. That means folks with no experience can start putting out pictures into the world. And a lot of that is tat. That being said, I can't wait to see an Apish Angel or a Vandal in the Tate Modern or Pompidou permanent collections. Wait are you saying the Impressionist of the time went street and said FU Pope I'm painting what I want..... yet we can't compare? Or that the street artists of today were not schooled in the arts? Take a look again, many of the top street artists followed/hyped here are schooled, some classically. More often than not it is needed for the artist to take their work to the next level.ย ย
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by diarmid on Jul 24, 2018 14:38:10 GMT 1, I can't help myself, I just brought hirst giclees
I can't help myself, I just brought hirst giclees
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by gd79 on Jul 24, 2018 14:49:06 GMT 1, I think the worst thing about the current market is the rise of 'fake art'. Some galleries feel like walking into Lidl. You have a host of expensive pieces that look a bit like banksy, or Harland miller, or koons. Whatever. You see these galleries in New York, Paris, west end, every provincial city you can imagine.
The location makes you think the art is worth something. The salesman will be smooth, and will tell you what some celebrity bought, and how he made a tonne of money buying banksy a decade ago. The art looks familiar, and is priced reassuringly high. I hate this stuff. Even worse in the photography world, where the pieces are almost straight rip offs of gursky, von unwerth, hofer or whoever.
And it pains me that it ends up on so many walls. A scary amount of art is bought by interior designers, on 10% commission, with a brief to buy something expensive and edgy. They are not going to be trying to hit a pejac drop, or bartering with a forum member on PayPal fees, or doing any research. A receipt from a Mayfair gallery and a canvas by Alec monopoly is absolutely ideal.
Truly pains me.
This doesn't mean that street art is dead, but this kind of indentikit art does mean it is mainstream.
I think the worst thing about the current market is the rise of 'fake art'. Some galleries feel like walking into Lidl. You have a host of expensive pieces that look a bit like banksy, or Harland miller, or koons. Whatever. You see these galleries in New York, Paris, west end, every provincial city you can imagine.
The location makes you think the art is worth something. The salesman will be smooth, and will tell you what some celebrity bought, and how he made a tonne of money buying banksy a decade ago. The art looks familiar, and is priced reassuringly high. I hate this stuff. Even worse in the photography world, where the pieces are almost straight rip offs of gursky, von unwerth, hofer or whoever.
And it pains me that it ends up on so many walls. A scary amount of art is bought by interior designers, on 10% commission, with a brief to buy something expensive and edgy. They are not going to be trying to hit a pejac drop, or bartering with a forum member on PayPal fees, or doing any research. A receipt from a Mayfair gallery and a canvas by Alec monopoly is absolutely ideal.
Truly pains me.
This doesn't mean that street art is dead, but this kind of indentikit art does mean it is mainstream.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Express Post on Jul 24, 2018 15:00:17 GMT 1, Alec Monopoly is yucky poo.
I think the worst thing about the current market is the rise of 'fake art'. Some galleries feel like walking into Lidl. You have a host of expensive pieces that look a bit like banksy, or Harland miller, or koons. Whatever. You see these galleries in New York, Paris, west end, every provincial city you can imagine. The location makes you think the art is worth something. The salesman will be smooth, and will tell you what some celebrity bought, and how he made a tonne of money buying banksy a decade ago. The art looks familiar, and is priced reassuringly high. I hate this stuff. Even worse in the photography world, where the pieces are almost straight rip offs of gursky, von unwerth, hofer or whoever. And it pains me that it ends up on so many walls. A scary amount of art is bought by interior designers, on 10% commission, with a brief to buy something expensive and edgy. They are not going to be trying to hit a pejac drop, or bartering with a forum member on PayPal fees, or doing any research. A receipt from a Mayfair gallery and a canvas by Alec monopoly is absolutely ideal. Truly pains me. This doesn't mean that street art is dead, but this kind of indentikit art does mean it is mainstream.
Alec Monopoly is yucky poo. I think the worst thing about the current market is the rise of 'fake art'. Some galleries feel like walking into Lidl. You have a host of expensive pieces that look a bit like banksy, or Harland miller, or koons. Whatever. You see these galleries in New York, Paris, west end, every provincial city you can imagine. The location makes you think the art is worth something. The salesman will be smooth, and will tell you what some celebrity bought, and how he made a tonne of money buying banksy a decade ago. The art looks familiar, and is priced reassuringly high. I hate this stuff. Even worse in the photography world, where the pieces are almost straight rip offs of gursky, von unwerth, hofer or whoever. And it pains me that it ends up on so many walls. A scary amount of art is bought by interior designers, on 10% commission, with a brief to buy something expensive and edgy. They are not going to be trying to hit a pejac drop, or bartering with a forum member on PayPal fees, or doing any research. A receipt from a Mayfair gallery and a canvas by Alec monopoly is absolutely ideal. Truly pains me. This doesn't mean that street art is dead, but this kind of indentikit art does mean it is mainstream.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by jimbofatz on Jul 24, 2018 15:03:30 GMT 1, Street art is not dead. I think Banksy is "holding" up the progress of street art as an investment-- it is certainly his move at this point. The Banksy prints are going to be tough to track who exactly did which piece and what signature is on what print unless there's a very detailed reveal of Banksy. It explains why we are in this strange in limbo period right now. POW is working on expanding their authentication process so that might be a clue... but really I don't know.
The quantity Sheppard puts out is ridiculous. He's not in it for the long haul he's cashing out now-- which is his move in my opinion. Of course his iconic pieces will do well.
KAWS could turn into the next NIKE who the hell knows whats going on over there. They are ambitious but I also wouldn't be surprised if it bombed as well.
Street art is not dead. I think Banksy is "holding" up the progress of street art as an investment-- it is certainly his move at this point. The Banksy prints are going to be tough to track who exactly did which piece and what signature is on what print unless there's a very detailed reveal of Banksy. It explains why we are in this strange in limbo period right now. POW is working on expanding their authentication process so that might be a clue... but really I don't know.
The quantity Sheppard puts out is ridiculous. He's not in it for the long haul he's cashing out now-- which is his move in my opinion. Of course his iconic pieces will do well.
KAWS could turn into the next NIKE who the hell knows whats going on over there. They are ambitious but I also wouldn't be surprised if it bombed as well.
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I THINK THE STREET ART MARKET IS DEAD. DO YOU?, by Coach on Jul 24, 2018 15:14:44 GMT 1, Love my Martin Whatson Still Life.ย It's all subjective, that's the beauty of it right. Be boring if we all just had the same things on our walls. For the record I actually really like that one, I just don't think he's doing anything that special. The Connection print especially I didn't understand the appeal at all. People just jump on trends, but most trends don't last. But as long as you like it that's all that matters. I know for certain I probably paid too much for some of my art but I'm still happy with them.
But is it โallโ subjective? I appreciate fully that what I like may not be to your taste and vice versa. And to that extent there is an element of subjectivity. But is it not possible to conclude also that some art is simply bad? I have in mind, as an example, a wall that MBW painted a while ago. It was shocking. Can I not say that that wall is awful art? Do I have to say itโs simply not to my taste?
Love my Martin Whatson Still Life.ย It's all subjective, that's the beauty of it right. Be boring if we all just had the same things on our walls. For the record I actually really like that one, I just don't think he's doing anything that special. The Connection print especially I didn't understand the appeal at all. People just jump on trends, but most trends don't last. But as long as you like it that's all that matters. I know for certain I probably paid too much for some of my art but I'm still happy with them. But is it โallโ subjective? I appreciate fully that what I like may not be to your taste and vice versa. And to that extent there is an element of subjectivity. But is it not possible to conclude also that some art is simply bad? I have in mind, as an example, a wall that MBW painted a while ago. It was shocking. Can I not say that that wall is awful art? Do I have to say itโs simply not to my taste?
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