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Question about galleries, by Poster Bob on Feb 13, 2021 13:04:24 GMT 1, Walk away.
Walk away.
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UK Import Customs Charges ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Feb 13, 2021 13:03:35 GMT 1, Because imports are subject to VAT at different rates, depending on the commodity. It's the same across all of Europe. Some countries have reduced VAT rates for art, some don't.
Because imports are subject to VAT at different rates, depending on the commodity. It's the same across all of Europe. Some countries have reduced VAT rates for art, some don't.
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UK Import Customs Charges ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Feb 12, 2021 22:26:27 GMT 1, Customs duties are like ยฃ12 max. I don't even mind paying 9% import tax on art. But postal service and couriers charge 15 or 17 euro for administration costs. Had a package last week with 2,50 tax + 17 euro admin. F#cking rip of..... Considering the prices I pay for the pieces themselves, the admin charges are negligible. I can't understand someone being deterred from a significant purchase by a petty admin charge. I do however think that admin charges are just a form of protectionism when looked at in the context of the average, non-art purchase.
Customs duties are like ยฃ12 max. I don't even mind paying 9% import tax on art. But postal service and couriers charge 15 or 17 euro for administration costs. Had a package last week with 2,50 tax + 17 euro admin. F#cking rip of..... Considering the prices I pay for the pieces themselves, the admin charges are negligible. I can't understand someone being deterred from a significant purchase by a petty admin charge. I do however think that admin charges are just a form of protectionism when looked at in the context of the average, non-art purchase.
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UK Import Customs Charges ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Feb 12, 2021 20:42:49 GMT 1, Customs duties are like ยฃ12 max.
Why stop? If it's art the VAT should be removed at the point of sale and you would then pay the applicable rate, which may be be less than the standard VAT rate, depending on where you live. I've stopped because customs duty is also payable depending on the value of the item imported.ย Thats on top of the VAT. If someone's going for even a ยฃ1k print, the cost starts to mount up.ย I used to buy a bit at auction in the UK because there's normally a much better selection of work I like but add these costs to auction fees and its now a once or twice a year thing if at all.ย Overall, a right pain!
Customs duties are like ยฃ12 max. Why stop? If it's art the VAT should be removed at the point of sale and you would then pay the applicable rate, which may be be less than the standard VAT rate, depending on where you live. I've stopped because customs duty is also payable depending on the value of the item imported.ย Thats on top of the VAT. If someone's going for even a ยฃ1k print, the cost starts to mount up.ย I used to buy a bit at auction in the UK because there's normally a much better selection of work I like but add these costs to auction fees and its now a once or twice a year thing if at all.ย Overall, a right pain!
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Poster Bob on Feb 12, 2021 20:41:46 GMT 1, Perrotin is from a source, but not from source. They've added a premium.
Not sure who you bought one from. They were 10.8k from source.ย It's on my last mail from perrotin sale for time dilatation.
Perrotin is from a source, but not from source. They've added a premium. Not sure who you bought one from. They were 10.8k from source.ย It's on my last mail from perrotin sale for time dilatation.
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Poster Bob on Feb 12, 2021 19:39:14 GMT 1, ๐คฆ people should be buying
Seems like a lot of Arsham dumping going on these days. GLWTS
๐คฆ people should be buying Seems like a lot of Arsham dumping going on these days. GLWTS
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UK Import Customs Charges ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Feb 12, 2021 19:34:49 GMT 1, Why stop? If it's art the VAT should be removed at the point of sale and you would then pay the applicable rate, which may be be less than the standard VAT rate, depending on where you live.
Why stop? If it's art the VAT should be removed at the point of sale and you would then pay the applicable rate, which may be be less than the standard VAT rate, depending on where you live.
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UK Import Customs Charges ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Feb 12, 2021 18:12:09 GMT 1, You should have called and had them adjust the invoice before paying. I'd recommend doing this in the future, but all call centers are claiming hard times due to Covid. It can be hard to get someone on the line.
You should have called and had them adjust the invoice before paying. I'd recommend doing this in the future, but all call centers are claiming hard times due to Covid. It can be hard to get someone on the line.
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Daniel Arsham ๐บ๐ธ New York โข Eroded Future Relic, by Poster Bob on Feb 12, 2021 15:56:48 GMT 1, I'd remove all references to the number before someone rats you out.
I'd remove all references to the number before someone rats you out.
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Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Poster Bob on Feb 10, 2021 20:36:40 GMT 1, Still waiting for Stop & Search to take off. Hurry up.
Still waiting for Stop & Search to take off. Hurry up.
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Handmade Posters New Release, by Poster Bob on Feb 9, 2021 20:58:36 GMT 1, terrible
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Damien Hirst H7 โข Rainbow & Heart, by Poster Bob on Feb 8, 2021 15:50:59 GMT 1, I'd start by looking at completed auctions on Ebay. They'll give you the best idea. In general, I'd recommend excluding auctions and sales by anyone who wouldn't ship worldwide.
I'd start by looking at completed auctions on Ebay. They'll give you the best idea. In general, I'd recommend excluding auctions and sales by anyone who wouldn't ship worldwide.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Feb 6, 2021 23:27:31 GMT 1, PM me with a price and your location if you've been allocated an E.
PM me with a price and your location if you've been allocated an E.
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Mr Doodle ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Poster Bob on Feb 6, 2021 0:46:21 GMT 1, Thanks for the feedback, I've added a line apologising for the crappy pictures and the illusion of a tear due to tissue paper. Buyers know what they'll be getting I'm sure from other listings and artnet etc. No, they don't. You need to take better pictures. It really does make a huge difference.
Thanks for the feedback, I've added a line apologising for the crappy pictures and the illusion of a tear due to tissue paper. Buyers know what they'll be getting I'm sure from other listings and artnet etc. No, they don't. You need to take better pictures. It really does make a huge difference.
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Nick Smith ๐ฌ๐ง Pixelated Art โข Colour Swatches โข New Print, by Poster Bob on Feb 5, 2021 11:44:04 GMT 1, I'm shocked to hear that Phillips will take it. Might want to rethink that if you're in a dispute with them, because the first sale of his work at a leading auction house for contemporary art would be a huge milestone in his career.
I'm shocked to hear that Phillips will take it. Might want to rethink that if you're in a dispute with them, because the first sale of his work at a leading auction house for contemporary art would be a huge milestone in his career.
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Banksy โข Flower Thrower โข Love is in the Air, by Poster Bob on Feb 2, 2021 22:20:37 GMT 1, Wait until after the Sotheby's sale but make sure that the piece is in the same condition as yours so that the comparison is at least fair. You can do this by registering on their website and asking for a condition report. It's an in-season sale and should create a new price precedent.
Wait until after the Sotheby's sale but make sure that the piece is in the same condition as yours so that the comparison is at least fair. You can do this by registering on their website and asking for a condition report. It's an in-season sale and should create a new price precedent.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Feb 2, 2021 21:03:57 GMT 1, Oh that made my day.
Oh that made my day.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Feb 1, 2021 16:16:08 GMT 1, Hi. Were searching for a Richter P19-4 for a UK based client. Please send PM or an email via contact@newarteditions.com Many thanks ! How much are you offering?
Hi. Were searching for a Richter P19-4 for a UK based client. Please send PM or an email via contact@newarteditions.com Many thanks ! How much are you offering?
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Feb 1, 2021 14:53:35 GMT 1, Every gallery and publisher has someone responsible for managing auction records. Editions that are resold and not offered to the gallery in the first instance, or in violation of the terms and conditions, normally result in the addition to a blacklist and all they need is Google to do it.
Given the amount of Heni works that get flipped they may as well give up on trying to get them to good homes. From a tech perspective would be a very easy thing to crack down on if you wanted.
Every gallery and publisher has someone responsible for managing auction records. Editions that are resold and not offered to the gallery in the first instance, or in violation of the terms and conditions, normally result in the addition to a blacklist and all they need is Google to do it. Given the amount of Heni works that get flipped they may as well give up on trying to get them to good homes. From a tech perspective would be a very easy thing to crack down on if you wanted.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Jan 31, 2021 13:09:58 GMT 1, Because if you sell it at Philips, and they see it, you're banned. If you sell it privately, and the buyer doesn't rat you out, you can continue buying and selling.
Donโt really understand this logic. I bet itโs not forum members hyping and purchasing these for big money. If I could get 20k+ from Philips, why accept 15k on here? We donโt need another price discussion about these, but at the same time itโs not fair to tell people โtheyโre not worth that muchโ and make a lowball offer based on what you think theyโre worth. Latest sale is as close as we get to knowing anything.
Because if you sell it at Philips, and they see it, you're banned. If you sell it privately, and the buyer doesn't rat you out, you can continue buying and selling. Donโt really understand this logic. I bet itโs not forum members hyping and purchasing these for big money. If I could get 20k+ from Philips, why accept 15k on here? We donโt need another price discussion about these, but at the same time itโs not fair to tell people โtheyโre not worth that muchโ and make a lowball offer based on what you think theyโre worth. Latest sale is as close as we get to knowing anything.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Jan 30, 2021 18:07:17 GMT 1, Wait till summer and they'll all be ยฃ30k or more.
Wait till summer and they'll all be ยฃ30k or more.
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Mr Doodle ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Poster Bob on Jan 30, 2021 15:10:05 GMT 1, If they're bidding it up to keep prices high they'll back off eventually as they don't want to receive an unpaid item strike.
I'd leave them be unless you have reason to suspect they're up to something. Registered in March 2020 with no sales/purchase history, I suspect shill bidding so would rather not have them bidding.ย
If they're bidding it up to keep prices high they'll back off eventually as they don't want to receive an unpaid item strike. I'd leave them be unless you have reason to suspect they're up to something. Registered in March 2020 with no sales/purchase history, I suspect shill bidding so would rather not have them bidding.ย
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Mr Doodle ๐ฌ๐ง Print Release โข Show News โข Art For Sale, by Poster Bob on Jan 30, 2021 14:57:59 GMT 1, I'd leave them be unless you have reason to suspect they're up to something.
I'd leave them be unless you have reason to suspect they're up to something.
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Serpentine Galleries Alex Katz Ariel 3, by Poster Bob on Jan 30, 2021 14:53:08 GMT 1, Agreed. New Art Editions have a new print every quarter. Much nicer images too.
Agreed. New Art Editions have a new print every quarter. Much nicer images too.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Jan 29, 2021 22:07:06 GMT 1, Another great thread about how people don't read and can't understand how and when tax is charged and where items ship from. Riveting. I can't wait until the topic switches to how much they'll be worth and how much they're reportedly exchanging hands for.
Another great thread about how people don't read and can't understand how and when tax is charged and where items ship from. Riveting. I can't wait until the topic switches to how much they'll be worth and how much they're reportedly exchanging hands for.
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by Poster Bob on Jan 29, 2021 16:57:50 GMT 1, Anyone with Bomb Middle England please dm me. Unsigned or signed Awww, such a shame! I just sold mine.
Anyone with Bomb Middle England please dm me. Unsigned or signed Awww, such a shame! I just sold mine.
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Stik Print, Canvas, WANTED, by Poster Bob on Jan 29, 2021 16:56:37 GMT 1, Still looking, what a surprise
Still looking, what a surprise
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Jan 29, 2021 15:19:15 GMT 1, They're very clear that they ship from the UK and VAT is added at the applicable rate. This works out well for anyone in an EU county with lower rates for art.
They're very clear that they ship from the UK and VAT is added at the applicable rate. This works out well for anyone in an EU county with lower rates for art.
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Gerhard Richter ๐ฉ๐ช Abstract โข Contemporary Art โข New Relea, by Poster Bob on Jan 28, 2021 23:22:06 GMT 1, You'd have to be utterly insane to think that there are 24,000 people applying for this. Application numbers don't reset after each release. They're cumulative.
You'd have to be utterly insane to think that there are 24,000 people applying for this. Application numbers don't reset after each release. They're cumulative.
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