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ROA – LA BÊTE HUMAINE, by k2 on Oct 9, 2019 11:45:21 GMT 1, ROA's latest solo show 'La Bête Humaine' will open at Keteleer Gallery in Antwerp on the 19th August from 5-9pm, and will run until early January 2020.
Keteleer was previously called 'At the Gallery' and was the home of ROA's show in 2017 which sold out on the first night. The gallery is now in a new location and apparently the new space is very nice indeed.
KETELEER GALLERY, Pourbusstraat 3-5 - 2000, Antwerp, Belgium
More information: keteleer.com/exhibitions/upcoming/roa-2/
KETELEER GALLERY is pleased to present the newest solo exhibition by ROA (Ghent, Belgium). The show will contain an entirely new body of work created for the occasion during his residency at KETELEER GALLERY, Antwerp.
ROA's latest solo show 'La Bête Humaine' will open at Keteleer Gallery in Antwerp on the 19th August from 5-9pm, and will run until early January 2020. Keteleer was previously called 'At the Gallery' and was the home of ROA's show in 2017 which sold out on the first night. The gallery is now in a new location and apparently the new space is very nice indeed. KETELEER GALLERY, Pourbusstraat 3-5 - 2000, Antwerp, Belgium More information: keteleer.com/exhibitions/upcoming/roa-2/ KETELEER GALLERY is pleased to present the newest solo exhibition by ROA (Ghent, Belgium). The show will contain an entirely new body of work created for the occasion during his residency at KETELEER GALLERY, Antwerp.
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Beejoir LV Child canvas; Wes Lang Signed; Todd James , by k2 on Sept 22, 2019 14:18:01 GMT 1, In case it helps, you should be able to change your password and/or your email address from here when logged in: www.proboards.com/account/settings
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COUNTER EDITIONS UPCOMING PORTFOLIO RELEASE, by k2 on Sept 21, 2019 23:31:32 GMT 1, Are these really signed by her? I could see her saying "just sign it" to the guy when she was that ill. J and P somewhat look different than hers but I dunno.... JP is pretty easy for anyone to do. To me the same person signed and numbered these new stickers. The letters J and the P and all the date numbers are very different than on her originals. I have my doubts she even signed these stickers. Again I'm not an expert so I don't know.... Anyone buying this print should ask if they have a photo of her signing these stickers. For that price it would be nice to know she actually signed them. Perhaps call the hospital and ask if any member of staff remember Joyce asking for a pen. Or you could consult a medium.
This all seems bizarre and distasteful. Clearly this is an authorised edition that she was happy to be released - if the entirety of the edition is signed the same way, surely that's all that matters.
Are these really signed by her? I could see her saying "just sign it" to the guy when she was that ill. J and P somewhat look different than hers but I dunno.... JP is pretty easy for anyone to do. To me the same person signed and numbered these new stickers. The letters J and the P and all the date numbers are very different than on her originals. I have my doubts she even signed these stickers. Again I'm not an expert so I don't know.... Anyone buying this print should ask if they have a photo of her signing these stickers. For that price it would be nice to know she actually signed them. Perhaps call the hospital and ask if any member of staff remember Joyce asking for a pen. Or you could consult a medium. This all seems bizarre and distasteful. Clearly this is an authorised edition that she was happy to be released - if the entirety of the edition is signed the same way, surely that's all that matters.
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Sothebys online Banksy Auction Sept, by k2 on Sept 19, 2019 16:55:56 GMT 1, The seller of the hook only took home 60k... Yeah, it's not great is it I mean it is really as its a £12k profit in 18 months for a £48k investment. what does that work out as ROI? That's 2 gone through now. It's a long term hold i reckon (10 years) As someone who doesn't have any Banksy prints, this whole thing seems slightly insane and more than a bit vulgar.
However of all of these editions, the Hook is one that I'd love to have. It's still a hell of a lot of money, but compared to some of the other insanity it seems like a bargain.
The seller of the hook only took home 60k... Yeah, it's not great is it I mean it is really as its a £12k profit in 18 months for a £48k investment. what does that work out as ROI? That's 2 gone through now. It's a long term hold i reckon (10 years) As someone who doesn't have any Banksy prints, this whole thing seems slightly insane and more than a bit vulgar. However of all of these editions, the Hook is one that I'd love to have. It's still a hell of a lot of money, but compared to some of the other insanity it seems like a bargain.
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Fairey, Faile, Dface, Miss Van, Alex Face, Blek Le Rat +++ , by k2 on Sept 14, 2019 3:06:28 GMT 1, OP says message him for pics and prices. That’s pretty clear. Thanks for the clarification coach...Hilarious! So you prefer posts that say “I have something for sale. Message me for who, what, where, how much”??
The OP is selling original works and is choosing not to post them publicly. However he is happy to share information and his price expectation by PM. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I would choose to sell the same way.
Worth mentioning that as a buyer, I would also prefer this kind of discretion.
If you are not interested in purchasing work by those artists, you can simply ignore the thread. It’s really quite simple.
OP says message him for pics and prices. That’s pretty clear. Thanks for the clarification coach...Hilarious! So you prefer posts that say “I have something for sale. Message me for who, what, where, how much”?? The OP is selling original works and is choosing not to post them publicly. However he is happy to share information and his price expectation by PM. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I would choose to sell the same way. Worth mentioning that as a buyer, I would also prefer this kind of discretion. If you are not interested in purchasing work by those artists, you can simply ignore the thread. It’s really quite simple.
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HELCH, by k2 on Aug 30, 2019 1:41:27 GMT 1, Don't they have to catch him in the act? I am sure he had his smart phone in his pocket taking pictures of work in progress and when finalised , if so they can data pinpoint his movements from data masts and as many around the country if they all locate similar movements they have alot of explaining to do! I think some perspective is needed - it's not a murder enquiry.
Don't they have to catch him in the act? I am sure he had his smart phone in his pocket taking pictures of work in progress and when finalised , if so they can data pinpoint his movements from data masts and as many around the country if they all locate similar movements they have alot of explaining to do! I think some perspective is needed - it's not a murder enquiry.
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HELCH, by k2 on Aug 29, 2019 23:52:02 GMT 1, His suspended sentence will now be activated , 2 years plus sentence for defacing public buildings, dangerous really for himself and others , if he fell or dropped cans , rollers ,paint tin etc from the bridges he has painted over the running active motorways he could of killed an innocent person or family or caused a multiple rtc , travelling at 70mph and 1-3 kg object or 65kg body smashes through the windscreen does not need much imagination to visualise the consequences . as news made the national media and damage is through out the country will be set an example of with a harsh sentence most likely. the motorwAy bridges will need part lane closures to clean so effects many . pr accomplished , when are the prints released. Steady on fella, no-one's getting convicted of anything based on some unnamed sources in the Daily Mail.
His suspended sentence will now be activated , 2 years plus sentence for defacing public buildings, dangerous really for himself and others , if he fell or dropped cans , rollers ,paint tin etc from the bridges he has painted over the running active motorways he could of killed an innocent person or family or caused a multiple rtc , travelling at 70mph and 1-3 kg object or 65kg body smashes through the windscreen does not need much imagination to visualise the consequences . as news made the national media and damage is through out the country will be set an example of with a harsh sentence most likely. the motorwAy bridges will need part lane closures to clean so effects many . pr accomplished , when are the prints released. Steady on fella, no-one's getting convicted of anything based on some unnamed sources in the Daily Mail.
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Brexit
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Brexit, by k2 on Aug 28, 2019 12:34:02 GMT 1, It seems to me that a prime minister elected by 100k odd conservative members, with little or no parliamentary majority deciding to prorogue Parliament, seemingly against the will of our elected representatives is just about the most undemocratic act I’ve ever witnessed by a PM.
Agreed.
Hopefully it will put up a boot up the arse of those endlessly squabbling about how best to oppose or prevent no-deal, and we can finally get some productive opposition working towards a better outcome.
It seems to me that a prime minister elected by 100k odd conservative members, with little or no parliamentary majority deciding to prorogue Parliament, seemingly against the will of our elected representatives is just about the most undemocratic act I’ve ever witnessed by a PM. Agreed. Hopefully it will put up a boot up the arse of those endlessly squabbling about how best to oppose or prevent no-deal, and we can finally get some productive opposition working towards a better outcome.
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Fin Dac 🇮🇪 Finbarr Notte • New Print Release , by k2 on Aug 21, 2019 18:13:38 GMT 1, Any idea of current prices I have an original canvas 100 x 80cm Tinypic seems to have closed down, so I need another way to post a picture of it
Imgur is a fairly decent alternative.
Any idea of current prices I have an original canvas 100 x 80cm Tinypic seems to have closed down, so I need another way to post a picture of it Imgur is a fairly decent alternative.
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My Art Finds Thread, by k2 on Aug 21, 2019 18:04:51 GMT 1, It would be nice to see some of the members back its gone very quiet on here I couldn't agree more. Seems like back in the day no one ever got banned, now it seems as though the axe is swung pretty freely.
Unless you’re using the forum to buy and sell, it’s hard to remain motivated to contribute when it’s becoming increasingly clear that the opinions / concerns / suggestions of the members are of little interest to the owner.
Of course I can’t speak for anyone else, but that’s how I feel about it anyway.
It would be nice to see some of the members back its gone very quiet on here I couldn't agree more. Seems like back in the day no one ever got banned, now it seems as though the axe is swung pretty freely. Unless you’re using the forum to buy and sell, it’s hard to remain motivated to contribute when it’s becoming increasingly clear that the opinions / concerns / suggestions of the members are of little interest to the owner. Of course I can’t speak for anyone else, but that’s how I feel about it anyway.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by k2 on Aug 16, 2019 16:23:44 GMT 1, I wish i joined this forum before i started collecting.I certainly wouldn't of payed flip prices like i did I thought i'd learnt a lot to what i 1st knew,,but was wrong cos I've ended up with a Ted Patrick,so i'll never learn 😀 A slightly radical strategy might be to never buy anything at all at release time, and to completely detach yourself from the hype of new releases and the 'fear of missing out' that they seem to generate.
If there's a particular image/edition that really sticks with you, and that you find yourself coming back to time and time again, then consider purchasing it on the secondary market once the dust has settled.
Yes it may often cost you more (although not always), but overall I suspect that you may be financially better off. And of course you wouldn't end up with a house full of prints that, on reflection, you have no idea why you bought in the first place.
I wish i joined this forum before i started collecting.I certainly wouldn't of payed flip prices like i did I thought i'd learnt a lot to what i 1st knew,,but was wrong cos I've ended up with a Ted Patrick,so i'll never learn 😀 A slightly radical strategy might be to never buy anything at all at release time, and to completely detach yourself from the hype of new releases and the 'fear of missing out' that they seem to generate. If there's a particular image/edition that really sticks with you, and that you find yourself coming back to time and time again, then consider purchasing it on the secondary market once the dust has settled. Yes it may often cost you more (although not always), but overall I suspect that you may be financially better off. And of course you wouldn't end up with a house full of prints that, on reflection, you have no idea why you bought in the first place.
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ADVICE FOR NEW COLLECTORS, by k2 on Aug 16, 2019 15:15:03 GMT 1, The best piece of advice for a new collector is to forget about this forum. Before you know it you’ll be buying postcards ands**tty posters and pin s. Go to events go to galleries. Scout Instagram. Don’t fall into the trap of buying the same artists as everyone else. There’s a whole world of art outside of this place and don’t get too caught up in the investment side of collecting. Lmao just noticed how old this thread is. Easiest place to get the heads up with all print drops , gallery exhibitions in one place rather than trawling the net.part of the hobby learning from mistakes . A better way to describe it might be that this forum is a good place to get the heads up on print drops and gallery exhibitions from the small subset of artists that are endlessly discussed on this forum. That's very different from *all* print drops or exhibitions.
There's plenty of art and artists that get absolutely no attention here, and similarly there is plenty of art and artists who seem to only have interest/relevance within this bubble.
It's a big world out there - just because there's no "Post your ______ for sale on eBay" thread for a particular artist on this forum, it doesn't make them irrelevant.
(I know that wasn't what you were implying at all - I'm being slightly facetious to make a point)
The best piece of advice for a new collector is to forget about this forum. Before you know it you’ll be buying postcards ands**tty posters and pin s. Go to events go to galleries. Scout Instagram. Don’t fall into the trap of buying the same artists as everyone else. There’s a whole world of art outside of this place and don’t get too caught up in the investment side of collecting. Lmao just noticed how old this thread is. Easiest place to get the heads up with all print drops , gallery exhibitions in one place rather than trawling the net.part of the hobby learning from mistakes . A better way to describe it might be that this forum is a good place to get the heads up on print drops and gallery exhibitions from the small subset of artists that are endlessly discussed on this forum. That's very different from *all* print drops or exhibitions. There's plenty of art and artists that get absolutely no attention here, and similarly there is plenty of art and artists who seem to only have interest/relevance within this bubble. It's a big world out there - just because there's no "Post your ______ for sale on eBay" thread for a particular artist on this forum, it doesn't make them irrelevant. (I know that wasn't what you were implying at all - I'm being slightly facetious to make a point)
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Thierry Noir 🇨🇵 Berlin Wall • French Street Arist , by k2 on Aug 15, 2019 15:03:04 GMT 1, Details below of what looks to be a fantastic event later this month - all enquiries to studio@thierrynoir.com
THE THIERRY NOIR ACADEMY OF ART
Fundraising London exhibition in support of The Kids Network children's charity
22nd to 25th August 2019 at Protein Studios, 31 New Inn Yard, Hackney, London, EC2A 3EY
Opening night: 7PM 22 August Free drinks, all invited
rsvp@thierrynoir.com
Thierry Noir is joining forces with London based children’s charity The Kids Network throughout August to raise awareness and funds for vulnerable children in Hackney through collaborative murals and a fundraising exhibition at Protein Studios.
For the whole of August Noir will paint murals around the street art hotspots of Shoreditch, Dalston and Hackney Wick with assistance from The Kids Network and local Hackney 8-11 year olds. The children will be mentored by Noir and for a month will become real life street artists painting alongside the legendary Berlin artist in the streets of East London. The project will culminate on the 22nd of August with The Thierry Noir Academy of Art Summer Exhibition in collaboration with Protein Studios. This will be in the form of a survey of Noir’s 40 year painting career with over 1,000 original Thierry Noir works of art (brought from Berlin by Flight Logistics) with proceeds in support of The Kids Network.
Having illegally painted over 5 miles of the Berlin Wall during the Cold War, in the process becoming one of the pioneers of the international street art movement, Noir knows a thing or two about street art. Since the 1980s Noir’s colourful motifs, bold lines and timeless visual language have become a symbol of youth culture globally making him a perfect mentor. The Thierry Noir Academy of Art will inspire a new generation in Hackney by providing new experiences and opportunities, the core mission of The Kids Network.
Hackney is becoming an increasingly hard place for children to grow up in. The colourful street art has heralded gentrification and influx of new wealth to the district which has resulted in rising social inequality and the erosion of previously established communities. The Kids Network exists to supports children at a crucial time in their lives, in the lead up to and often during the transition from primary into secondary school. Through mentoring, The Kids Network brings together people who would not usually cross paths for social change.
Sarah Woodcock, Founder of The Kids Network, says, “the support of Thierry Noir and Protein will have a huge impact on the lives of local Hackney children. In the rapidly changing city, children's voices can often be forgotten. We are massively grateful for an artist like Noir to be giving them this amazing opportunity and helping us expand into Hackney”.
Thierry Noir original paintings and screen prints are available on thierrynoir.com
Alternatively please email sales@thierrynoir.com to preview the artworks available at the exhibition
Details below of what looks to be a fantastic event later this month - all enquiries to studio@thierrynoir.comTHE THIERRY NOIR ACADEMY OF ART
Fundraising London exhibition in support of The Kids Network children's charity
22nd to 25th August 2019 at Protein Studios, 31 New Inn Yard, Hackney, London, EC2A 3EY
Opening night: 7PM 22 August Free drinks, all invited rsvp@thierrynoir.com
Thierry Noir is joining forces with London based children’s charity The Kids Network throughout August to raise awareness and funds for vulnerable children in Hackney through collaborative murals and a fundraising exhibition at Protein Studios. For the whole of August Noir will paint murals around the street art hotspots of Shoreditch, Dalston and Hackney Wick with assistance from The Kids Network and local Hackney 8-11 year olds. The children will be mentored by Noir and for a month will become real life street artists painting alongside the legendary Berlin artist in the streets of East London. The project will culminate on the 22nd of August with The Thierry Noir Academy of Art Summer Exhibition in collaboration with Protein Studios. This will be in the form of a survey of Noir’s 40 year painting career with over 1,000 original Thierry Noir works of art (brought from Berlin by Flight Logistics) with proceeds in support of The Kids Network. Having illegally painted over 5 miles of the Berlin Wall during the Cold War, in the process becoming one of the pioneers of the international street art movement, Noir knows a thing or two about street art. Since the 1980s Noir’s colourful motifs, bold lines and timeless visual language have become a symbol of youth culture globally making him a perfect mentor. The Thierry Noir Academy of Art will inspire a new generation in Hackney by providing new experiences and opportunities, the core mission of The Kids Network. Hackney is becoming an increasingly hard place for children to grow up in. The colourful street art has heralded gentrification and influx of new wealth to the district which has resulted in rising social inequality and the erosion of previously established communities. The Kids Network exists to supports children at a crucial time in their lives, in the lead up to and often during the transition from primary into secondary school. Through mentoring, The Kids Network brings together people who would not usually cross paths for social change. Sarah Woodcock, Founder of The Kids Network, says, “the support of Thierry Noir and Protein will have a huge impact on the lives of local Hackney children. In the rapidly changing city, children's voices can often be forgotten. We are massively grateful for an artist like Noir to be giving them this amazing opportunity and helping us expand into Hackney”. Thierry Noir original paintings and screen prints are available on thierrynoir.comAlternatively please email sales@thierrynoir.com to preview the artworks available at the exhibition
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by k2 on Aug 14, 2019 16:50:13 GMT 1, I wonder how the shredded piece will go this time, its back up for auction, though i can't see it being in the online print sale The real trick will be if, when the hammer falls, the frame sucks the strips of canvas back in to magically reveal a pristine, unshredded painting.
I'm pretty sure I saw Paul Daniels do this kind of thing in the mid-80s, so if it doesn't happen it's pure laziness on Banksy's part.
I wonder how the shredded piece will go this time, its back up for auction, though i can't see it being in the online print sale The real trick will be if, when the hammer falls, the frame sucks the strips of canvas back in to magically reveal a pristine, unshredded painting. I'm pretty sure I saw Paul Daniels do this kind of thing in the mid-80s, so if it doesn't happen it's pure laziness on Banksy's part.
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Escif 🇪🇦 Street Art • New Print Release • For Sale, by k2 on Aug 14, 2019 1:23:38 GMT 1,
LIMITED EDITION PRINT WITH HAND DRAWN ILLUSTRATIONS: ‘Kill Me With Your Dance’, 2019 Offset print in watercolour 25 x 35 cm / 9,84 x 13,78 in Tintoretto Neve paper 260 gr Edition of 33 with unique hand drawn illustrations 121 Euro, 134 Euro international
LIMITED EDITION PRINT: ‘Kill Me With Your Dance’, 2019 Offset print in watercolour 25 x 35 cm / 9,84 x 13,78 in Tintoretto Neve paper 260 gr Edition of 89 73 Euro, 86 Euro international
www.mimamuseum.eu/news/limited-edition-print-vinyl-by-escif-kill-me-with-your-dance/
The image shown in this post is the hand-drawn version.
LIMITED EDITION PRINT WITH HAND DRAWN ILLUSTRATIONS: ‘Kill Me With Your Dance’, 2019 Offset print in watercolour 25 x 35 cm / 9,84 x 13,78 in Tintoretto Neve paper 260 gr Edition of 33 with unique hand drawn illustrations 121 Euro, 134 Euro international LIMITED EDITION PRINT: ‘Kill Me With Your Dance’, 2019 Offset print in watercolour 25 x 35 cm / 9,84 x 13,78 in Tintoretto Neve paper 260 gr Edition of 89 73 Euro, 86 Euro international www.mimamuseum.eu/news/limited-edition-print-vinyl-by-escif-kill-me-with-your-dance/The image shown in this post is the hand-drawn version.
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Brexit, by k2 on Aug 13, 2019 15:57:18 GMT 1, I think there is certainly an argument to be made that the result of the original vote should be respected. However, I do think it's more nuanced than that. With hindsight, I think it can be agreed that the wording/specifics of the original vote was flawed. Essentially we were offered the choice of remaining in the EU, or the hypothetical option of leaving the EU, without any knowledge of what leaving the EU might look like. Campaigners in favour of leaving suggested/promised that leaving would be easy and risk-free, with prosperity for all. Campaigners in favour of remaining suggested/promised that leaving would be a disaster for all. But really, no-one knew what leaving might look like, or what our future relationship with the EU might look like. Promises and exaggerations were offered from both sides. Now that we're 3 years on, and generally have a better idea of how leaving the EU might work, and what options are available, personally I don't think it would be undemocratic to have an a new vote based on realities rather than hypotheticals. I voted to remain, and would vote to remain again given the choice. But if a referendum were offered again based on the factual options that we now have, and if the country voted to leave under the terms of the withdrawal agreement, or even without a deal, then it would be difficult to find argument with that, and it would have to be respected. For what it's worth, my choice to remain was not financially motivated. The most important thing to me is/was the freedom of movement. I have been lucky to have born with the option to live/love/work throughout the EU - something that I've always taken for granted. The thought that our next generation(s) will not inherit that freedom is deeply saddening to me. I cannot disagree with reason, Although I try and look at both sides of the coin. Loosing freedom of movement is a pain but we or they are not banned . The only problem with a second referendum now is will we all like the only options they give us if we don’t then do we have a third a fourth vote etc which bring me back to the first point I quoted. The elite just hate the business loss, not the effect on people or services. We don’t know what post brexit will look like yet, all the markets are reflecting is what uncertainty does to the market. If and when things are ironed out, only then will we be able to see what realistic paths we can take. And if or not the future will be bright or bleak. I’m optimistic about the opportunity the country will be open to after brexit. But I have got to say that my intelligence is only as good as the average person. I’m trying to formulate an opinion based on what I hear and read. I’m no economist, banker or country leader, I’m just an electrician. It's refreshing to hear someone admitting that they're not an expert, but are simply trying to formulate an opinion. I'm in the same boat as you - I'm no expert. It seems there are no absolutes, all we can do is to try to read and hear facts and opinions from a variety of sources and try to make up our own mind.
As for being 'just' an electrician. As it happens, I don't need an economist, or a banker, or a country leader right now. What I do need is an electrician. If you happen to be in the South-West (ideally, Cornwall!), please get in touch. Everyone seems to be an expert on economics all of a sudden, but I can't find someone to do a bloody rewire.
I think there is certainly an argument to be made that the result of the original vote should be respected. However, I do think it's more nuanced than that. With hindsight, I think it can be agreed that the wording/specifics of the original vote was flawed. Essentially we were offered the choice of remaining in the EU, or the hypothetical option of leaving the EU, without any knowledge of what leaving the EU might look like. Campaigners in favour of leaving suggested/promised that leaving would be easy and risk-free, with prosperity for all. Campaigners in favour of remaining suggested/promised that leaving would be a disaster for all. But really, no-one knew what leaving might look like, or what our future relationship with the EU might look like. Promises and exaggerations were offered from both sides. Now that we're 3 years on, and generally have a better idea of how leaving the EU might work, and what options are available, personally I don't think it would be undemocratic to have an a new vote based on realities rather than hypotheticals. I voted to remain, and would vote to remain again given the choice. But if a referendum were offered again based on the factual options that we now have, and if the country voted to leave under the terms of the withdrawal agreement, or even without a deal, then it would be difficult to find argument with that, and it would have to be respected. For what it's worth, my choice to remain was not financially motivated. The most important thing to me is/was the freedom of movement. I have been lucky to have born with the option to live/love/work throughout the EU - something that I've always taken for granted. The thought that our next generation(s) will not inherit that freedom is deeply saddening to me. I cannot disagree with reason, Although I try and look at both sides of the coin. Loosing freedom of movement is a pain but we or they are not banned . The only problem with a second referendum now is will we all like the only options they give us if we don’t then do we have a third a fourth vote etc which bring me back to the first point I quoted. The elite just hate the business loss, not the effect on people or services. We don’t know what post brexit will look like yet, all the markets are reflecting is what uncertainty does to the market. If and when things are ironed out, only then will we be able to see what realistic paths we can take. And if or not the future will be bright or bleak. I’m optimistic about the opportunity the country will be open to after brexit. But I have got to say that my intelligence is only as good as the average person. I’m trying to formulate an opinion based on what I hear and read. I’m no economist, banker or country leader, I’m just an electrician. It's refreshing to hear someone admitting that they're not an expert, but are simply trying to formulate an opinion. I'm in the same boat as you - I'm no expert. It seems there are no absolutes, all we can do is to try to read and hear facts and opinions from a variety of sources and try to make up our own mind. As for being 'just' an electrician. As it happens, I don't need an economist, or a banker, or a country leader right now. What I do need is an electrician. If you happen to be in the South-West (ideally, Cornwall!), please get in touch. Everyone seems to be an expert on economics all of a sudden, but I can't find someone to do a bloody rewire.
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Brexit, by k2 on Aug 13, 2019 13:04:47 GMT 1, Alot of people on here keep going on about how undemocratic brexit is and moaning it’s not fair, Is it not undemocratic that the vote to leave is not being respected. I think there is certainly an argument to be made that the result of the original vote should be respected.
However, I do think it's more nuanced than that. With hindsight, I think it can be agreed that the wording/specifics of the original vote was flawed. Essentially we were offered the choice of remaining in the EU, or the hypothetical option of leaving the EU, without any knowledge of what leaving the EU might look like. Campaigners in favour of leaving suggested/promised that leaving would be easy and risk-free, with prosperity for all. Campaigners in favour of remaining suggested/promised that leaving would be a disaster for all. But really, no-one knew what leaving might look like, or what our future relationship with the EU might look like. Promises and exaggerations were offered from both sides.
Now that we're 3 years on, and generally have a better idea of how leaving the EU might work, and what options are available, personally I don't think it would be undemocratic to have an a new vote based on realities rather than hypotheticals.
I voted to remain, and would vote to remain again given the choice. But if a referendum were offered again based on the factual options that we now have, and if the country voted to leave under the terms of the withdrawal agreement, or even without a deal, then it would be difficult to find argument with that, and it would have to be respected.
For what it's worth, my choice to remain was not financially motivated. The most important thing to me is/was the freedom of movement. I have been lucky to have born with the option to live/love/work throughout the EU - something that I've always taken for granted. The thought that our next generation(s) will not inherit that freedom is deeply saddening to me.
Alot of people on here keep going on about how undemocratic brexit is and moaning it’s not fair, Is it not undemocratic that the vote to leave is not being respected. I think there is certainly an argument to be made that the result of the original vote should be respected. However, I do think it's more nuanced than that. With hindsight, I think it can be agreed that the wording/specifics of the original vote was flawed. Essentially we were offered the choice of remaining in the EU, or the hypothetical option of leaving the EU, without any knowledge of what leaving the EU might look like. Campaigners in favour of leaving suggested/promised that leaving would be easy and risk-free, with prosperity for all. Campaigners in favour of remaining suggested/promised that leaving would be a disaster for all. But really, no-one knew what leaving might look like, or what our future relationship with the EU might look like. Promises and exaggerations were offered from both sides. Now that we're 3 years on, and generally have a better idea of how leaving the EU might work, and what options are available, personally I don't think it would be undemocratic to have an a new vote based on realities rather than hypotheticals. I voted to remain, and would vote to remain again given the choice. But if a referendum were offered again based on the factual options that we now have, and if the country voted to leave under the terms of the withdrawal agreement, or even without a deal, then it would be difficult to find argument with that, and it would have to be respected. For what it's worth, my choice to remain was not financially motivated. The most important thing to me is/was the freedom of movement. I have been lucky to have born with the option to live/love/work throughout the EU - something that I've always taken for granted. The thought that our next generation(s) will not inherit that freedom is deeply saddening to me.
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Lots for sale.., by k2 on Aug 9, 2019 22:24:43 GMT 1, Russ has left the building. Again…..
I noticed that markiemark was also gone.
Russ has left the building. Again….. I noticed that markiemark was also gone.
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Paul Insect - Allouche Prints (updated), by k2 on Aug 9, 2019 13:24:40 GMT 1, Ok I think the link is now working... 1drv.ms/f/s!AjdjXdVKFkDozWiLeZ4spoKhKfTG Try this link - this site doesn't like the "!" in the link.
tinyurl.com/y2h92tty
Ok I think the link is now working... 1drv.ms/f/s!AjdjXdVKFkDozWiLeZ4spoKhKfTG Try this link - this site doesn't like the "!" in the link. tinyurl.com/y2h92tty
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Ken Nwadiogbu - Show details, by k2 on Aug 8, 2019 14:40:56 GMT 1, Good luck with it all. He’s very talented.
Just a heads up - you’ve listed the PV as October but the dates you’ve posted are in November.
Good luck with it all. He’s very talented.
Just a heads up - you’ve listed the PV as October but the dates you’ve posted are in November.
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Mehdi Ghadyanloo 🇮🇷 Mural Painter • Iran • Art For Sale, by k2 on Aug 7, 2019 12:04:18 GMT 1, For me the whole point of the print is a tiny boat in the middle of the ocean/sea/lake. If you the boat is bigger and the print is significantly smaller it will be just a print of a boat:) Totally. The scale of the boat changes the piece completely. I too like this as it is very soothing however wasn’t this concept recently done by Eelus (adrift)? Does a bigger name make the piece cooler? I certainly don't find it soothing, but we all see something different of course.
For me the whole point of the print is a tiny boat in the middle of the ocean/sea/lake. If you the boat is bigger and the print is significantly smaller it will be just a print of a boat:) Totally. The scale of the boat changes the piece completely. I too like this as it is very soothing however wasn’t this concept recently done by Eelus (adrift)? Does a bigger name make the piece cooler? I certainly don't find it soothing, but we all see something different of course.
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Mehdi Ghadyanloo 🇮🇷 Mural Painter • Iran • Art For Sale, by k2 on Aug 7, 2019 11:50:31 GMT 1, For me the whole point of the print is a tiny boat in the middle of the ocean/sea/lake. If you the boat is bigger and the print is significantly smaller it will be just a print of a boat:) I agree - the smaller canvas with the larger boat is also very nice, but for me it doesn't have the impact of the original piece for the reasons that you gave. I find this painting really rather powerful.
For me the whole point of the print is a tiny boat in the middle of the ocean/sea/lake. If you the boat is bigger and the print is significantly smaller it will be just a print of a boat:) I agree - the smaller canvas with the larger boat is also very nice, but for me it doesn't have the impact of the original piece for the reasons that you gave. I find this painting really rather powerful.
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Donald Trump, by k2 on Aug 5, 2019 20:15:08 GMT 1, Right so what I’m getting at is, in the UK, the lack of guns has sent criminals to knives, but it didn’t stop the attacks. Here in the US if we eliminate “assault rifles” those who want to commit an attack would switch to a hand gun, or a different rifle. Banning “assault weapons” is just a temporary feel good solution. It won’t stop attacks but people will feel safer for a little at least 🙄 Indeed, UK criminals have to use knifes. And that’s exactly why the homicide rate in the UK is only a small fraction (about one-fifth) of the US one (while other crimes are committed with similar rates). (With all due respect, how one can make such dumb statements with a straight face really escapes me... would you rather face an attacker armed with a firearm or with a penknife?)
Right so what I’m getting at is, in the UK, the lack of guns has sent criminals to knives, but it didn’t stop the attacks. Here in the US if we eliminate “assault rifles” those who want to commit an attack would switch to a hand gun, or a different rifle. Banning “assault weapons” is just a temporary feel good solution. It won’t stop attacks but people will feel safer for a little at least 🙄 Indeed, UK criminals have to use knifes. And that’s exactly why the homicide rate in the UK is only a small fraction (about one-fifth) of the US one (while other crimes are committed with similar rates). (With all due respect, how one can make such dumb statements with a straight face really escapes me... would you rather face an attacker armed with a firearm or with a penknife?)
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Mehdi Ghadyanloo 🇮🇷 Mural Painter • Iran • Art For Sale, by k2 on Aug 5, 2019 20:10:53 GMT 1, Out of interest, what’s the issue with the size?
Out of interest, what’s the issue with the size?
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Donald Trump, by k2 on Aug 5, 2019 17:57:55 GMT 1, In the same way the confusing the correlation between gun availability and mass shootings as the causes of them. That’s all we’re trying to argue. For the sake of balance that's a fair point. Guns dont make people want to kill people and we should look at what the causes are. But access to powerful guns makes it all too easy for people to kill people and that is the point Yes this is a good point.
I was in a Steak-and-shake in Ohio last summer, and a guy got into an argument with the waitress about his chicken tenders (we've all been there). He left without paying, then 10 minutes later he came back in with a handgun and waved it around a bit. No shots were fired and it was never pointed near me, but it was still pretty scary.
In the UK, someone would go home and write a passive-aggressive review on TripAdvisor.
I would rather not live somewhere where it's so easy for angry / emotional / unstable people to react violently in a moment of madness.
In the same way the confusing the correlation between gun availability and mass shootings as the causes of them. That’s all we’re trying to argue. For the sake of balance that's a fair point. Guns dont make people want to kill people and we should look at what the causes are. But access to powerful guns makes it all too easy for people to kill people and that is the point Yes this is a good point. I was in a Steak-and-shake in Ohio last summer, and a guy got into an argument with the waitress about his chicken tenders (we've all been there). He left without paying, then 10 minutes later he came back in with a handgun and waved it around a bit. No shots were fired and it was never pointed near me, but it was still pretty scary. In the UK, someone would go home and write a passive-aggressive review on TripAdvisor. I would rather not live somewhere where it's so easy for angry / emotional / unstable people to react violently in a moment of madness.
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Donald Trump, by k2 on Aug 5, 2019 17:43:27 GMT 1, You're confusing correlation with causation. In the same way the confusing the correlation between gun availability and mass shootings as the causes of them. That’s all we’re trying to argue. Well the mass shootings are being carried out... with guns. It's relatively easy to connect those dots.
You're confusing correlation with causation. In the same way the confusing the correlation between gun availability and mass shootings as the causes of them. That’s all we’re trying to argue. Well the mass shootings are being carried out... with guns. It's relatively easy to connect those dots.
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Donald Trump, by k2 on Aug 5, 2019 17:31:35 GMT 1, I was looking at the OECD family database: www.oecd.org/els/family/database.htmAnd I do think it leads to crime of course, you see that trend in London especially.. but mass shootings? Nah. How can you not make a connection when literally 26 of 27 of the biggest incidents were carried out by individuals from single parent homes? With respect, have you ever spent significant time outside of the US? Many of the problems that you describe are certainly not unique to the US, even if some of them are statistically worse in the US than elsewhere.
However, what certainly seems to be unique (among other 'developed' nations) is the lack of gun control and the regularity of mass-shootings.
Out of interest, are you of the opinion that there is simply no correlation at all between the relatively easy-access to guns, and the frequency at which these events are occurring?
I was looking at the OECD family database: www.oecd.org/els/family/database.htmAnd I do think it leads to crime of course, you see that trend in London especially.. but mass shootings? Nah. How can you not make a connection when literally 26 of 27 of the biggest incidents were carried out by individuals from single parent homes? With respect, have you ever spent significant time outside of the US? Many of the problems that you describe are certainly not unique to the US, even if some of them are statistically worse in the US than elsewhere. However, what certainly seems to be unique (among other 'developed' nations) is the lack of gun control and the regularity of mass-shootings. Out of interest, are you of the opinion that there is simply no correlation at all between the relatively easy-access to guns, and the frequency at which these events are occurring?
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Jana Schröder work on paper for sale , by k2 on Aug 3, 2019 18:37:03 GMT 1, Am I here in a nursery school? C’mon guys ! Hey, you brought the drawings from Kindergarten. Don't blame me!
This seems a bit unnecessary.
Some would say that the art that you’re selling today is far more likely to be found in a nursery.
I like this piece - best of luck with the sale.
Am I here in a nursery school? C’mon guys ! Hey, you brought the drawings from Kindergarten. Don't blame me! This seems a bit unnecessary. Some would say that the art that you’re selling today is far more likely to be found in a nursery. I like this piece - best of luck with the sale.
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