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The Art of Banksy - Toronto , by lee3 on Jun 1, 2018 1:47:27 GMT 1, It seems like this thread is going off the deep end. On the one hand you have Laz stating that he hasn't spoken to the artist in over a decade. Then you have the artist himself disclaiming on his website for years that he's not affiliated with Laz or any other commercial gallery for that matter. Now we're reading speculation that none of the above can be true and concluding they must be in cohorts due to some all powerful unused legal clause?
Why stop there? We might as well go full stop and speculate the same with vermin/bankrobber who choose to exhibit the concrete skeleton remains of works they've bulldozed from the street. Andipa too as they did that show in Italy last year and Mocco museum/lionel gallery out of Amsterdam. All of this despite the fact that they all state that they are/were sponsoring *unsanctioned* exhibitions.
It seems like this thread is going off the deep end. On the one hand you have Laz stating that he hasn't spoken to the artist in over a decade. Then you have the artist himself disclaiming on his website for years that he's not affiliated with Laz or any other commercial gallery for that matter. Now we're reading speculation that none of the above can be true and concluding they must be in cohorts due to some all powerful unused legal clause?
Why stop there? We might as well go full stop and speculate the same with vermin/bankrobber who choose to exhibit the concrete skeleton remains of works they've bulldozed from the street. Andipa too as they did that show in Italy last year and Mocco museum/lionel gallery out of Amsterdam. All of this despite the fact that they all state that they are/were sponsoring *unsanctioned* exhibitions.
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Artnet Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by lee3 on May 22, 2018 17:33:17 GMT 1, ^ Donuts went $28 bid, $33.6 premium GWB went $120 bid, 144 w/ premium
that GWB did not appear to be in the best of condition from some of the photos either.
^ Donuts went $28 bid, $33.6 premium GWB went $120 bid, 144 w/ premium
that GWB did not appear to be in the best of condition from some of the photos either.
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Banksy โข Have A Nice Day Print โข 2003, by lee3 on May 4, 2018 2:17:37 GMT 1, "This is said to be the artists first print release" Really? This was released in 2003 according to your COA. Rude Copper was released in 2002. True. I believe an asterisk is necessary to quantify first print release for POW. From their site:
Banksy Have A Nice Day 01/03/2003 Dimensions: 360 x 1000 mm 50 signed 500 unsigned Our first ever print, and remains the most cheerful.
"This is said to be the artists first print release" Really? This was released in 2003 according to your COA. Rude Copper was released in 2002. True. I believe an asterisk is necessary to quantify first print release for POW. From their site: Banksy Have A Nice Day 01/03/2003 Dimensions: 360 x 1000 mm 50 signed 500 unsigned Our first ever print, and remains the most cheerful.
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Maya Hayuk original on canvas.. asking price reduced, by lee3 on Apr 16, 2018 18:39:22 GMT 1, Hmm, don't want to dive down a rabbit hole here as the poster wants to sell a hayuk. The point being warhol enthusiasts know that a standard issue Warhol measures 20x16 inches. Let's try that ending a second time: This is the first time I've encountered a complaint that typical Warhol is too small...(must have been a throwaway albeit on a lazy sunday) Good luck in your sale msobel3 and apologies for barging in.
Hmm, don't want to dive down a rabbit hole here as the poster wants to sell a hayuk. The point being warhol enthusiasts know that a standard issue Warhol measures 20x16 inches. Let's try that ending a second time: This is the first time I've encountered a complaint that typical Warhol is too small...(must have been a throwaway albeit on a lazy sunday) Good luck in your sale msobel3 and apologies for barging in.
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Maya Hayuk original on canvas.. asking price reduced, by lee3 on Apr 15, 2018 23:33:54 GMT 1, This is so beautiful but I can not understand why artists would even bother making canvasses this small? Imagine the impact it would make if it were 24 by 30 inches at the very least, everyone would consider buying it, but I guess the price would be double! GLWTS, itโs lovely nonetheless! It's worth noting that the most common sized canvas for Warhol measures exactly 20x16 inches so there must be something to it. From soup cans at the beginning, death and disaster to early portraits like jackie (i believe every jackie is 20x16 save for the few round ones) and right on through the late ad series to his death. If it was good enough for him...
This is so beautiful but I can not understand why artists would even bother making canvasses this small? Imagine the impact it would make if it were 24 by 30 inches at the very least, everyone would consider buying it, but I guess the price would be double! GLWTS, itโs lovely nonetheless! It's worth noting that the most common sized canvas for Warhol measures exactly 20x16 inches so there must be something to it. From soup cans at the beginning, death and disaster to early portraits like jackie (i believe every jackie is 20x16 save for the few round ones) and right on through the late ad series to his death. If it was good enough for him...
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Sale or Trade: Bansky Choose Your Weapon and Happy Choppers, by lee3 on Apr 14, 2018 19:20:17 GMT 1, Good luck with that trade, should work. Speaking only for myself, nola variants became a bit of a bummer on the wall over time for both my better half and I. Strong composition no doubt but it wore out its welcome for my eyes which clearly places me in the minority. Never owned a happy choppers myself but I feel like it doesn't get the due it deserves. I believe the reality, as you noted, is that you would have to add a bit of cash to get your trade done at the moment but I wonder if that will remain true in the long run? Apologies for derailing and thinking out loud but best of luck in your pursuit.
Good luck with that trade, should work. Speaking only for myself, nola variants became a bit of a bummer on the wall over time for both my better half and I. Strong composition no doubt but it wore out its welcome for my eyes which clearly places me in the minority. Never owned a happy choppers myself but I feel like it doesn't get the due it deserves. I believe the reality, as you noted, is that you would have to add a bit of cash to get your trade done at the moment but I wonder if that will remain true in the long run? Apologies for derailing and thinking out loud but best of luck in your pursuit.
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Another banksy in new york ? , by lee3 on Mar 20, 2018 23:46:36 GMT 1, Please tell me there is more to this seal. Waiting for a clever explanation I think it's simply reacting to his surroundings, no? He painted the capitalistic developer displacing families across the street and then found some inspiration from the missing mobil gas sign. Unless I'm missing something deeper, perhaps just having a bit of fun like these:
Please tell me there is more to this seal. Waiting for a clever explanation I think it's simply reacting to his surroundings, no? He painted the capitalistic developer displacing families across the street and then found some inspiration from the missing mobil gas sign. Unless I'm missing something deeper, perhaps just having a bit of fun like these:
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Another banksy in new york ? , by lee3 on Mar 19, 2018 19:45:50 GMT 1, I dig all the different ways he's painted anti capitalism pieces since the beginning. barcode, rickshaw, slave labor, crooked fat capitalist piece at dismal and hosts of others make me think for a bit. I like this one too.
I dig all the different ways he's painted anti capitalism pieces since the beginning. barcode, rickshaw, slave labor, crooked fat capitalist piece at dismal and hosts of others make me think for a bit. I like this one too.
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New Banksy rat in NYC, by lee3 on Mar 14, 2018 20:58:53 GMT 1, Hard to believe 5 years since the NY residency. Good to see him back. Side note, i've always thought that grumpier/assholes piece on the back of that truck during October '13 would have been better had it featured a rodent beneath it. There wasn't a rat in that campaign if i recall correctly.
Hard to believe 5 years since the NY residency. Good to see him back. Side note, i've always thought that grumpier/assholes piece on the back of that truck during October '13 would have been better had it featured a rodent beneath it. There wasn't a rat in that campaign if i recall correctly.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by lee3 on Mar 7, 2018 20:33:45 GMT 1, I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better n secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well. Compared to what a signed screen print on paper from an edition of 150 makes, it just does not feel like a lot. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but it just feels as though there is a too small a gap between these prices. I think that's a fair comment and many would suggest the same. To me that's merely a reflection of this artist's popularity. IE, that the unsigned prints went chaotic first, then the signed prints and so on. He has a much wider and younger audience on average than most artists at his stage and I think we see evidence of that in the print prices. From my little window on secondary, the prices of originals are moving higher quickly. I personally believe that it's tougher for anything marked edition 25 to make the move that something unique can make though this result kind of discredits that opinion. It's also fair to note that the print edition of this image holds substantially larger wall space than all of the editioned canvases of this image which is a bit atypical in the collecting pursuit.
I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better n secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well. Compared to what a signed screen print on paper from an edition of 150 makes, it just does not feel like a lot. I know it's like comparing apples and oranges, but it just feels as though there is a too small a gap between these prices. I think that's a fair comment and many would suggest the same. To me that's merely a reflection of this artist's popularity. IE, that the unsigned prints went chaotic first, then the signed prints and so on. He has a much wider and younger audience on average than most artists at his stage and I think we see evidence of that in the print prices. From my little window on secondary, the prices of originals are moving higher quickly. I personally believe that it's tougher for anything marked edition 25 to make the move that something unique can make though this result kind of discredits that opinion. It's also fair to note that the print edition of this image holds substantially larger wall space than all of the editioned canvases of this image which is a bit atypical in the collecting pursuit.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by lee3 on Mar 7, 2018 20:04:44 GMT 1, Not quite correct, they paid ยฃ280,000, plus 25% premium plus VAT on the 25% which totals ยฃ84,000 and a further 4% ARR so by my calculation it's ยฃ375,200. If the buyer is from outside of the EU they can take off the VAT. Bonham's quote the price including premium as ยฃ344,750... maybe there's a sliding scale for the premium? You must be correct as it averages out to a 23.125% premium. However, the bonhams quote does not include 4% artist resale rights, any jurisdictional taxes due from buyer nor crating and shipping all of which are going to cost most buyers another 10-20% easily.
Edit: here is the bonhams premium schedule for london:
Buyer's Premium Rates 25% on the first ยฃ175,000 of the hammer price 20% on the excess of ยฃ175,001 and up to ยฃ3,000,000 of the hammer price 12.5% on the excess of ยฃ3,000,001 of the hammer price
Not quite correct, they paid ยฃ280,000, plus 25% premium plus VAT on the 25% which totals ยฃ84,000 and a further 4% ARR so by my calculation it's ยฃ375,200. If the buyer is from outside of the EU they can take off the VAT. Bonham's quote the price including premium as ยฃ344,750... maybe there's a sliding scale for the premium? You must be correct as it averages out to a 23.125% premium. However, the bonhams quote does not include 4% artist resale rights, any jurisdictional taxes due from buyer nor crating and shipping all of which are going to cost most buyers another 10-20% easily. Edit: here is the bonhams premium schedule for london: Buyer's Premium Rates 25% on the first ยฃ175,000 of the hammer price 20% on the excess of ยฃ175,001 and up to ยฃ3,000,000 of the hammer price 12.5% on the excess of ยฃ3,000,001 of the hammer price
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by lee3 on Mar 7, 2018 19:49:04 GMT 1, bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was ยฃ280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less ยฃ375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the Girl With Balloon owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today. I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever at auciton. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better on secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well.
bidding was really lacklustre on this, auctioneer really had to work to get the bids out, final hammer was ยฃ280,000 which seems low to me. With all the bits added on I figure the final price is more or less ยฃ375,000. It'll be interesting to see what Sotheby's get for their canvas tonight but if I were the Girl With Balloon owner I think I might not be all that happy with the result today. I'm surprised that's your takeaway. That's by far the highest priced editioned work for this artist ever at auciton. At over $500k US with fees the competition in that bracket is often iconic (unique) works from blue chip artists. You can have a perfect 8 inch flowers, a couple works on paper from calder, a large picasso drawing for starters. And lest we forget this was Bonhams which traditionally favors the buyer. I don't know that the seller would have done that much better on secondary once they factor in paying someone to help shift it privately. That was a big result in a sale that did much better overall than i expected. Justt about everything on offer thus far this week has done unbelievably well.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by lee3 on Feb 18, 2018 2:26:58 GMT 1, >>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<<
Long time sir, hope you're well. I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach.
>>>. There has been talk of 30cm sq. but from the previous examples I have seen they are all 40 cm sq. and as such I was wondering whether anyone could confirm that the single edition of 25 did indeed have 30 cm examples? (I know the Dip is 30 by 30).<<<
Long time sir, hope you're well. I have no idea on the variability of stencils within the edition. I've only seen 40 and 50 cm/sq versions of the single canvas edition 25. I thought only the diptych is 30 cm/sq and to be honest i have no idea how there would even be enough room to squeeze both the girl and the balloon on a single 30cm/sq canvas. If any exist I'd love to see as that balloon would be within her reach.
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Banksy canvas at Bonhams, by lee3 on Feb 17, 2018 23:14:44 GMT 1, Is that true? I still regret passing on a diptych that was in a group show at the Carmichael Gallery in 2008 at 75K$, was just too much for me at the time. Hind sight and such.... Yes absolutely, the 12x12 single ed25 sells at that level also so i would expect the 20x20 to hit 400, could go 500+. Depends on the night. 500 gbp sounds a bit much at this point but i could well be wrong. The most recent whisper on secondary that I heard was nearly $400 for a 40cm/16in sq ed 25 version. Keep in mind this is Bonhams which has historically achieved prices for originals that favor buyers over sellers for this artist. I'd speculate 350 gbp would be a bit more realistic as an upper ceiling for now at that venue but we'll know soon enough. Eye popping pricing either way.
Is that true? I still regret passing on a diptych that was in a group show at the Carmichael Gallery in 2008 at 75K$, was just too much for me at the time. Hind sight and such.... Yes absolutely, the 12x12 single ed25 sells at that level also so i would expect the 20x20 to hit 400, could go 500+. Depends on the night. 500 gbp sounds a bit much at this point but i could well be wrong. The most recent whisper on secondary that I heard was nearly $400 for a 40cm/16in sq ed 25 version. Keep in mind this is Bonhams which has historically achieved prices for originals that favor buyers over sellers for this artist. I'd speculate 350 gbp would be a bit more realistic as an upper ceiling for now at that venue but we'll know soon enough. Eye popping pricing either way.
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by lee3 on Feb 17, 2018 3:01:26 GMT 1, No, it looks the same as it did back then. Cutouts for the faces which people could stand behind for a silly photo and a play on this which is at lacma. Just checked my photos and there is defo no Bollard at the museum ! Wow, thanks for that and i stand corrected; mistakes like that make me feel old. To console my banged up memory, I'll conclude that there were many other images at that show that made a stronger impression on my mind and eyes.
No, it looks the same as it did back then. Cutouts for the faces which people could stand behind for a silly photo and a play on this which is at lacma. Just checked my photos and there is defo no Bollard at the museum ! Wow, thanks for that and i stand corrected; mistakes like that make me feel old. To console my banged up memory, I'll conclude that there were many other images at that show that made a stronger impression on my mind and eyes.
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by lee3 on Feb 17, 2018 0:33:21 GMT 1, I remember seeing it there the first couple days but i don't believe it lasted long. Again, though my memory is fuzzy at best. It was opposite the large laugh now revision, Monkey Parliament. Has the Bollard been added since the Bristol show or is this a different one ? No, it looks the same as it did back then. Cutouts for the faces which people could stand behind for a silly photo and a play on this which is at lacma.
I remember seeing it there the first couple days but i don't believe it lasted long. Again, though my memory is fuzzy at best. It was opposite the large laugh now revision, Monkey Parliament. Has the Bollard been added since the Bristol show or is this a different one ? No, it looks the same as it did back then. Cutouts for the faces which people could stand behind for a silly photo and a play on this which is at lacma.
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by lee3 on Feb 16, 2018 23:57:13 GMT 1, What a sale, so many amazing works! Also, this was gifted by Banksy to the current owner? Or am I reading that wrong? Did anyone see this at the Bristol Show ? this one could well be "exiting via the (it was a ..) gift route"... to coin an oft used term. I remember seeing it there the first couple days but i don't believe it lasted long. Again, though my memory is fuzzy at best. It was opposite the large laugh now revision, Monkey Parliament.
What a sale, so many amazing works! Also, this was gifted by Banksy to the current owner? Or am I reading that wrong? Did anyone see this at the Bristol Show ? this one could well be "exiting via the (it was a ..) gift route"... to coin an oft used term. I remember seeing it there the first couple days but i don't believe it lasted long. Again, though my memory is fuzzy at best. It was opposite the large laugh now revision, Monkey Parliament.
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by lee3 on Feb 16, 2018 23:46:26 GMT 1, >>Also, this was gifted by Banksy to the current owner? Or am I reading that wrong?<<<
That's correct and also notes that it wasn't gifted until 2011 which was well after that show closed in autumn '09. Rather generous and beats the painted rocks my kids gift me (which admittedly i adore).
>>Also, this was gifted by Banksy to the current owner? Or am I reading that wrong?<<<
That's correct and also notes that it wasn't gifted until 2011 which was well after that show closed in autumn '09. Rather generous and beats the painted rocks my kids gift me (which admittedly i adore).
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by lee3 on Feb 16, 2018 19:25:13 GMT 1, Nothing for this artist at Christie's London this go around and still waiting for sotheby's and phillips to release their offerings. Bonhams has this one buried at the end of the sale which is odd placement considering it will almost certainly be top 3 priced lots in the sale. I suppose they're using it as an anchor to keep your attention. Recent sales of this edition on secondary would make anyone blush. Lot 44AR BANKSY (British, born 1975) Girl and Balloon 2003 ยฃ 150,000 - 200,000 US$ 210,000 - 280,000 POST-WAR & CONTEMPORARY ART 7 Mar 2018, 17:00 GMT www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/?category=list&length=50&page=1Phillips nothing... but Sothebys... lot 219. Monkey Detonator dyptych. ยฃ150-250k which is a bigger range That monkey detonator is much better than most since it has the banana bomb actually accompanying it. Most surprising to me is seeing Banksy in the evening sale! Not among my personal faves and my memory (perhaps wrong) was that this work was pulled from the show early on for whatever reason? I just can't recall as hard to believe that's nearly a decade ago now. Lots of Richter, gorgeous cecily brown and kippenberger and think they came out swinging with the opening trio of lots.
Banksy B. 1974 BACCHUS AT THE SEASIDE vandalised oil painting, in artistโs frame 230.5 by 206 cm. 90 3/4 by 81 1/8 in. Executed in 2009.
www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-evening-auction-l18020/lot.54.html
Nothing for this artist at Christie's London this go around and still waiting for sotheby's and phillips to release their offerings. Bonhams has this one buried at the end of the sale which is odd placement considering it will almost certainly be top 3 priced lots in the sale. I suppose they're using it as an anchor to keep your attention. Recent sales of this edition on secondary would make anyone blush. Lot 44AR BANKSY (British, born 1975) Girl and Balloon 2003 ยฃ 150,000 - 200,000 US$ 210,000 - 280,000 POST-WAR & CONTEMPORARY ART 7 Mar 2018, 17:00 GMT www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/?category=list&length=50&page=1Phillips nothing... but Sothebys... lot 219. Monkey Detonator dyptych. ยฃ150-250k which is a bigger range That monkey detonator is much better than most since it has the banana bomb actually accompanying it. Most surprising to me is seeing Banksy in the evening sale! Not among my personal faves and my memory (perhaps wrong) was that this work was pulled from the show early on for whatever reason? I just can't recall as hard to believe that's nearly a decade ago now. Lots of Richter, gorgeous cecily brown and kippenberger and think they came out swinging with the opening trio of lots. Banksy B. 1974 BACCHUS AT THE SEASIDE vandalised oil painting, in artistโs frame 230.5 by 206 cm. 90 3/4 by 81 1/8 in. Executed in 2009. www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/contemporary-art-evening-auction-l18020/lot.54.html
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by lee3 on Feb 14, 2018 18:40:24 GMT 1, Nothing for this artist at Christie's London this go around and still waiting for sotheby's and phillips to release their offerings. Bonhams has this one buried at the end of the sale which is odd placement considering it will almost certainly be top 3 priced lots in the sale. I suppose they're using it as an anchor to keep your attention. Recent sales of this edition on secondary would make anyone blush.
Lot 44AR BANKSY (British, born 1975) Girl and Balloon 2003 ยฃ 150,000 - 200,000 US$ 210,000 - 280,000 POST-WAR & CONTEMPORARY ART 7 Mar 2018, 17:00 GMT
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/?category=list&length=50&page=1
Nothing for this artist at Christie's London this go around and still waiting for sotheby's and phillips to release their offerings. Bonhams has this one buried at the end of the sale which is odd placement considering it will almost certainly be top 3 priced lots in the sale. I suppose they're using it as an anchor to keep your attention. Recent sales of this edition on secondary would make anyone blush. Lot 44AR BANKSY (British, born 1975) Girl and Balloon 2003 ยฃ 150,000 - 200,000 US$ 210,000 - 280,000 POST-WAR & CONTEMPORARY ART 7 Mar 2018, 17:00 GMT www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/?category=list&length=50&page=1
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New Banksy in Hull, by lee3 on Jan 29, 2018 22:55:30 GMT 1, White spirit is paint remover/turpentine. I can only speculate that the reason the Banksy does not come off with it is that perhaps he sprayed an acrylic clear coat protective layer over the piece when finished.
White spirit is paint remover/turpentine. I can only speculate that the reason the Banksy does not come off with it is that perhaps he sprayed an acrylic clear coat protective layer over the piece when finished.
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Banksy Prices Up or Down?, by lee3 on Jan 27, 2018 21:18:42 GMT 1, I can only speak for myself, but i find the same stirring connection to my soul standing in front of this artist's work as i do under a calder mobile, a judd stack, a matisse interior or a ruscha ribbon drawing to name but a few. They're timeless like the best work that came before them and they'll be cherished far longer than any of us. If it's a a beanie baby fad now entering its 17th year, impressive in its own right i suppose but for my eyes this is far more important.
I can't envision him associating with the best galleries which will present its own challenges from the old guard point of view going forward and continue to garner praise and disdain alike which is nothing new. Similarly, speak from my own tiny view of the world, the inbound demand for his very best work is growing stronger with each passing month. Like the best before him, he's different and creating something all his own. I've never found another artist who can attack the most difficult of subjects with that uncanny sense of humor and I never tire of it. I admitted defeat from his way of art long ago and I'm happier for it. Don't worry about tomorrow's pricing and instead enjoy the ride- easier said than done.
I can only speak for myself, but i find the same stirring connection to my soul standing in front of this artist's work as i do under a calder mobile, a judd stack, a matisse interior or a ruscha ribbon drawing to name but a few. They're timeless like the best work that came before them and they'll be cherished far longer than any of us. If it's a a beanie baby fad now entering its 17th year, impressive in its own right i suppose but for my eyes this is far more important.
I can't envision him associating with the best galleries which will present its own challenges from the old guard point of view going forward and continue to garner praise and disdain alike which is nothing new. Similarly, speak from my own tiny view of the world, the inbound demand for his very best work is growing stronger with each passing month. Like the best before him, he's different and creating something all his own. I've never found another artist who can attack the most difficult of subjects with that uncanny sense of humor and I never tire of it. I admitted defeat from his way of art long ago and I'm happier for it. Don't worry about tomorrow's pricing and instead enjoy the ride- easier said than done.
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Show us your Banksy Choose Your Weapon , by lee3 on Jan 11, 2018 1:58:43 GMT 1, Dexter, long time and hope you're well. Yes, guest bedroom. I've moved twice within the past year and have finally grown up/settled down into a proper home. The photo you're referring to was 3 houses ago and a couple of paint jobs at that in that it was featured on an extravagant puke yellow walls that won me no favors. Reminds me of looking back at old '70s photos with linoleum kitchens, blinding wallpaper and wrapped/plastic whatever you call those protected couches of the time. Genesee cream ale cans, lots of facial hair and smiles abound. That photo is great for a laugh and of its time but borderline not of this earth any longer.
Dexter, long time and hope you're well. Yes, guest bedroom. I've moved twice within the past year and have finally grown up/settled down into a proper home. The photo you're referring to was 3 houses ago and a couple of paint jobs at that in that it was featured on an extravagant puke yellow walls that won me no favors. Reminds me of looking back at old '70s photos with linoleum kitchens, blinding wallpaper and wrapped/plastic whatever you call those protected couches of the time. Genesee cream ale cans, lots of facial hair and smiles abound. That photo is great for a laugh and of its time but borderline not of this earth any longer.
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Show us your Banksy Choose Your Weapon , by lee3 on Jan 11, 2018 0:23:48 GMT 1, I will always have a soft spot for that image. My preference leans towards vibrant, primary colors to accentuate the Haring lineage with that composition. Or perhaps I spent too much time playing that electronic Simon game as a child?
I will always have a soft spot for that image. My preference leans towards vibrant, primary colors to accentuate the Haring lineage with that composition. Or perhaps I spent too much time playing that electronic Simon game as a child?
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Where to sell a Banksy editioned original?, by lee3 on Dec 29, 2017 19:39:27 GMT 1, paranoid pictures - donโt except anything less than 150k gbp..... I hesitate to even post and have no interest nor consideration in this work but your comment raised my curiosity to review artnet. I'm not here to talk prices up/down and I have seen some eye popping results for other originals on secondary lately so you may well be correct. Still, artnet shows 6 of these at auction with the most recent being a year ago and an AP for 112k GBP which to be fair, that price would not include ARR nor VAT. Perhaps the demand is there and someone will pm for that price. On the other hand, if it were mine I'd probably lean towards being a bit more flexible but that's just me. I suppose prints have skyrocketed and this would be a step up the ladder but amazing to me if that is the reality of this edition now.
paranoid pictures - donโt except anything less than 150k gbp..... I hesitate to even post and have no interest nor consideration in this work but your comment raised my curiosity to review artnet. I'm not here to talk prices up/down and I have seen some eye popping results for other originals on secondary lately so you may well be correct. Still, artnet shows 6 of these at auction with the most recent being a year ago and an AP for 112k GBP which to be fair, that price would not include ARR nor VAT. Perhaps the demand is there and someone will pm for that price. On the other hand, if it were mine I'd probably lean towards being a bit more flexible but that's just me. I suppose prints have skyrocketed and this would be a step up the ladder but amazing to me if that is the reality of this edition now.
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Bonhams: Prints and Multiples 18 Dec, by lee3 on Dec 20, 2017 22:08:41 GMT 1, If seasonality is so important why are they holding auctions in December at all. If anyone knows the auction business itโs auxtion houses. I was mentored by people much wiser with experience that still dwarfs that of mine 20 years later. They were steadfast in their rules about the market many of which still hold to this day (some do not- like never buy unsigned prints- ha). But, they were adamant that if you consign to auction make certain you do so in the prime months at the prime houses only for maximum potential. I haven't consigned in maybe 7 years so that is moot but the converse is true too. Namely, their belief that the off season months were mostly filled with secondary dealers buying for inventory with muted results by comparison.
Times change and the auction houses have stuffed more sales than ever into the year. This year alone we have originals on offer at both London and Paris in late November and December which I don't recall from prior years. Traditionally, you had your prime sales being NY in May/November with London Feb/June and everything else was considered secondary sales (London Oct, NY March). September has always been a warm up month after the August break and nobody expected fireworks of any kind from the close of November NY until the London sales the following year. Long winded point being, color me a strong believer in the seasonality or simply old fashioned. I had absentee bids for the NY Nov. sales for works that I was drawn to and all were run over, most by about 3 times what I bid and one by more than 10x. I wasn't even in the ballpark. I've followed the sales closely for some time now and there is no denying in hindsight year after year that the fireworks are in the prime months and it's exceedingly rare by comparison for explosive action any other time of the year.
If seasonality is so important why are they holding auctions in December at all. If anyone knows the auction business itโs auxtion houses. I was mentored by people much wiser with experience that still dwarfs that of mine 20 years later. They were steadfast in their rules about the market many of which still hold to this day (some do not- like never buy unsigned prints- ha). But, they were adamant that if you consign to auction make certain you do so in the prime months at the prime houses only for maximum potential. I haven't consigned in maybe 7 years so that is moot but the converse is true too. Namely, their belief that the off season months were mostly filled with secondary dealers buying for inventory with muted results by comparison. Times change and the auction houses have stuffed more sales than ever into the year. This year alone we have originals on offer at both London and Paris in late November and December which I don't recall from prior years. Traditionally, you had your prime sales being NY in May/November with London Feb/June and everything else was considered secondary sales (London Oct, NY March). September has always been a warm up month after the August break and nobody expected fireworks of any kind from the close of November NY until the London sales the following year. Long winded point being, color me a strong believer in the seasonality or simply old fashioned. I had absentee bids for the NY Nov. sales for works that I was drawn to and all were run over, most by about 3 times what I bid and one by more than 10x. I wasn't even in the ballpark. I've followed the sales closely for some time now and there is no denying in hindsight year after year that the fireworks are in the prime months and it's exceedingly rare by comparison for explosive action any other time of the year.
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Banksy Rat result at Auction, by lee3 on Dec 17, 2017 18:22:03 GMT 1, Have you got the link for the heavy weaponary? I'm fairly certain (but could be mistaken) that artnet does not publicize results for their auctions but here it is as i subscribe:
Banksy Title London, New York, Bristol (Heavy Weaponry) Description Stenciled with the artist's signature; accompanied by a Certificate of Authenticity issued by Pest Control Medium Spray paint on canvas Year of Work 2000 Size Height 21.2 in.; Width 22.5 in. / Height 53.8 cm.; Width 57.2 cm. Edition Edition of 10 (each unique) Sale of artnet Auctions: Monday, November 20, 2017 [Lot 123251] artnet Auctions Estimate 100,000 - 120,000 USD Sold For 168,000 USD Premium
I was surprised by that result above too as that heavy weaponary edition 10 has always been a tougher sell on secondary at far lower prices but much of the activity on that coincided with the huge NY sales so timing most likely played a big role. As for the love rat, my memory was that it was withdrawn at sotheby's this past June despite the fact that it reads bought in at the subscription services. It would be curious for a house to offer the same work twice in 6 months time with the exact same estimate range as usually if it is bought in it would reappear with a lower range which was not the case.
Have you got the link for the heavy weaponary? I'm fairly certain (but could be mistaken) that artnet does not publicize results for their auctions but here it is as i subscribe: Banksy Title London, New York, Bristol (Heavy Weaponry) Description Stenciled with the artist's signature; accompanied by a Certificate of Authenticity issued by Pest Control Medium Spray paint on canvas Year of Work 2000 Size Height 21.2 in.; Width 22.5 in. / Height 53.8 cm.; Width 57.2 cm. Edition Edition of 10 (each unique) Sale of artnet Auctions: Monday, November 20, 2017 [Lot 123251] artnet Auctions Estimate 100,000 - 120,000 USD Sold For 168,000 USD Premium I was surprised by that result above too as that heavy weaponary edition 10 has always been a tougher sell on secondary at far lower prices but much of the activity on that coincided with the huge NY sales so timing most likely played a big role. As for the love rat, my memory was that it was withdrawn at sotheby's this past June despite the fact that it reads bought in at the subscription services. It would be curious for a house to offer the same work twice in 6 months time with the exact same estimate range as usually if it is bought in it would reappear with a lower range which was not the case.
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Banksy Grappling Hook, by lee3 on Dec 14, 2017 18:14:28 GMT 1, Interesting discussion though I would disagree with anyone who states the medium of sculpture is atypical for this artist. The atrium at bristol museum was all sculpture as was the inclusion of the village pet store. Most of Dismaland was the same. There have been sculptures of sorts at most, if not all of his shows since the beginning. I'm not disagreeing to disagree but he's a pretty well rounded artist conceptually including the big screen.
Haring sculptures may be a tougher sell than the works on canvas or tarp but I believe that is true of most artists regardless. Richard Serra or James Turrell are about as good as it gets for installation but most collectors there eyeball the oil stick on paper for the former and the sky drawings and geometric wall pieces for the latter. Robert Indiana love is iconic in sculpture form yet the drawings, prints and canvas of the same do better by comparison. It's simply a more difficult medium for most collectors to wrap our collective heads around is my thinking but ymmv. Good luck in your decision either way.
Interesting discussion though I would disagree with anyone who states the medium of sculpture is atypical for this artist. The atrium at bristol museum was all sculpture as was the inclusion of the village pet store. Most of Dismaland was the same. There have been sculptures of sorts at most, if not all of his shows since the beginning. I'm not disagreeing to disagree but he's a pretty well rounded artist conceptually including the big screen.
Haring sculptures may be a tougher sell than the works on canvas or tarp but I believe that is true of most artists regardless. Richard Serra or James Turrell are about as good as it gets for installation but most collectors there eyeball the oil stick on paper for the former and the sky drawings and geometric wall pieces for the latter. Robert Indiana love is iconic in sculpture form yet the drawings, prints and canvas of the same do better by comparison. It's simply a more difficult medium for most collectors to wrap our collective heads around is my thinking but ymmv. Good luck in your decision either way.
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