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Oct 7, 2014 18:45:32 GMT 1
Isis, by johnnyh on Oct 7, 2014 18:45:32 GMT 1, just one fact Nobody has won a war from the air. You might want to ask the Japanese about that....I have a feeling they would tend not to agree
just one fact Nobody has won a war from the air. You might want to ask the Japanese about that....I have a feeling they would tend not to agree
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Oct 7, 2014 19:03:15 GMT 1
Isis, by jonb on Oct 7, 2014 19:03:15 GMT 1, As a kid twenty years after the second world war it was still more or less possible to walk from central London to Essex through Bomb-sites.
The Japanese might also point to the entry of the USSR in the war against them, and how the allies had cut the islands off from any supplies. And the clear inevitability of the failure of the war they had got themselves into with no clear strategy apart form we will surprise them with an attack form the air that is so devastating they are bound to give in.
As a kid twenty years after the second world war it was still more or less possible to walk from central London to Essex through Bomb-sites.
The Japanese might also point to the entry of the USSR in the war against them, and how the allies had cut the islands off from any supplies. And the clear inevitability of the failure of the war they had got themselves into with no clear strategy apart form we will surprise them with an attack form the air that is so devastating they are bound to give in.
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Oct 7, 2014 19:14:33 GMT 1
Isis, by johnnyh on Oct 7, 2014 19:14:33 GMT 1, As a kid twenty years after the second world war it was still more or less possible to walk from central London to Essex through Bomb-sites. The Japanese might also point to the entry of the USSR in the war against them, and how the allies had cut the islands off from any supplies. And the clear inevitability of the failure of the war they had got themselves into with no clear strategy apart form we will surprise them with an attack form the air that is so devastating they are bound to give in. Ok have it which way you like but I would tend to side with pretty much all war historians that the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki more than tipped the balance let's say...over the Russians and supplies neither of which had a particularly short term devastating effect and caused the Japanese to surrender the fact that if they did not Tokyo was next probably overrode all other thoughts I tend to imagine but sure you know better
As a kid twenty years after the second world war it was still more or less possible to walk from central London to Essex through Bomb-sites. The Japanese might also point to the entry of the USSR in the war against them, and how the allies had cut the islands off from any supplies. And the clear inevitability of the failure of the war they had got themselves into with no clear strategy apart form we will surprise them with an attack form the air that is so devastating they are bound to give in. Ok have it which way you like but I would tend to side with pretty much all war historians that the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki more than tipped the balance let's say...over the Russians and supplies neither of which had a particularly short term devastating effect and caused the Japanese to surrender the fact that if they did not Tokyo was next probably overrode all other thoughts I tend to imagine but sure you know better
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Oct 7, 2014 19:42:12 GMT 1
Isis, by jonb on Oct 7, 2014 19:42:12 GMT 1, Actually the majority of historians say it was a combination.
link
You will notice the mention of how the Japanese were already seeking to sue for peace with the USSR to act as intermediary, before the USSR declared war on them.
It is not having it my way this is generally what is agreed.
Actually the majority of historians say it was a combination. linkYou will notice the mention of how the Japanese were already seeking to sue for peace with the USSR to act as intermediary, before the USSR declared war on them. It is not having it my way this is generally what is agreed.
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Isis, by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 20:26:33 GMT 1, ISIS get away with it due to comments like that ...very foolish Israel, Asad, Putin, Obama, Cameron, Blair, get/got away with it without the help of my comments
Its ISIS today, but yesterday it was Al Qaeda, before that Gaddafi, before that Saddam Hussein, before that IRA, its a cycle that keeps repeating, each one getting more extreme, more radical, more violent. ISIS will be replaced by another faction who will make them look like pussies. Want to know your future, look at your past
ISIS get away with it due to comments like that ...very foolish Israel, Asad, Putin, Obama, Cameron, Blair, get/got away with it without the help of my comments Its ISIS today, but yesterday it was Al Qaeda, before that Gaddafi, before that Saddam Hussein, before that IRA, its a cycle that keeps repeating, each one getting more extreme, more radical, more violent. ISIS will be replaced by another faction who will make them look like pussies. Want to know your future, look at your past
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Oct 7, 2014 22:07:55 GMT 1
Isis, by spirit on Oct 7, 2014 22:07:55 GMT 1, After offering only half-hearted support at best for the Kurds fighting for their lives in Kobane over last 3 weeks, US finally pulled its finger out today and sent in the B1. Better late than never. Thanks Uncle Sam and well done.
ISIS = Is Something In Sky?
After offering only half-hearted support at best for the Kurds fighting for their lives in Kobane over last 3 weeks, US finally pulled its finger out today and sent in the B1. Better late than never. Thanks Uncle Sam and well done.
ISIS = Is Something In Sky?
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Oct 7, 2014 22:35:40 GMT 1
Isis, by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 22:35:40 GMT 1, Let's say military intervention is the only option at this point, then the real question is what happens after?
Does the west make the brave choice of actually doing the correct beaurocratic moves to help move these areas forward? You know the type of things that don't win votes? Or does it just wait for the next military intervention and kick start war economies again? Does it make the brave choice of stopping its arms manufacturers from selling to specific groups and countries for instance?
Let's say military intervention is the only option at this point, then the real question is what happens after?
Does the west make the brave choice of actually doing the correct beaurocratic moves to help move these areas forward? You know the type of things that don't win votes? Or does it just wait for the next military intervention and kick start war economies again? Does it make the brave choice of stopping its arms manufacturers from selling to specific groups and countries for instance?
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Isis, by jonb on Oct 7, 2014 23:24:30 GMT 1, Did you notice oil prices are going down partly due to ISIS producing so much to finance themselves, it not just arms is it?
Did you notice oil prices are going down partly due to ISIS producing so much to finance themselves, it not just arms is it?
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Isis, by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 23:29:00 GMT 1, You're quite right jon, the economic and political inferences of differing power structures are massively at play. But not just a in these regions but the effect it has in our own countries too...
You're quite right jon, the economic and political inferences of differing power structures are massively at play. But not just a in these regions but the effect it has in our own countries too...
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Oct 7, 2014 23:29:09 GMT 1
Isis, by spirit on Oct 7, 2014 23:29:09 GMT 1, One would hope that they do make the correct beaurocratic moves. Efforts to encourage an inclusive government in Baghdad suggest they understand that this is necessary if peace is eventually to come there.
The situation we are facing now with ISIS is completely different to the earlier wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya etc. It's not about US hegemony, resources or the war economy. It's not about "intervention" and "invented" enemies. This is the real deal. A clashing of two completely incompatible global cultures, both of whom, in different ways, want to control the planet.
One would hope that they do make the correct beaurocratic moves. Efforts to encourage an inclusive government in Baghdad suggest they understand that this is necessary if peace is eventually to come there.
The situation we are facing now with ISIS is completely different to the earlier wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya etc. It's not about US hegemony, resources or the war economy. It's not about "intervention" and "invented" enemies. This is the real deal. A clashing of two completely incompatible global cultures, both of whom, in different ways, want to control the planet.
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Isis, by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 23:47:55 GMT 1, Correct me if I'm wrong but this current situation has developed from our previous interventions surely? Doesn't that clear link at least basically suggest our policies have not worked?
(I'm also not sure why this is an either/or situation)
Correct me if I'm wrong but this current situation has developed from our previous interventions surely? Doesn't that clear link at least basically suggest our policies have not worked?
(I'm also not sure why this is an either/or situation)
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Oct 7, 2014 23:54:09 GMT 1
Isis, by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 23:54:09 GMT 1, We have to understand that throughout the history of the region, there has never been a western plan that did not deviate from the "what is best for us" theme. Israel/Palestine/Iraq etc. The one country that has bucked the trend and got off the lead is Iran - and that has hardly been welcomed.
Ideas of the west being a policeman are a misrepresentation - not so much a noble copper/ the blunt instrument of law, but a security guard, keeping a check on assets.
IS PR is stomach churning and appalling, but is an MBA level excerise in bare bones guerilla marketing. As a corporation, a brand, a franchise ( for that is what they effectively are), IS are up there with Ebola as todays headline grabbers. and this is not a good thing .In another world/ not too far away from our own they would be getting awards for their campaign success at coke dusted industry events.
Is ISIS a real threat to us ? Its hard to say, it harder to work through the bluster in the media.It takea a bit of work to discover who they are and how they relate to the Syria situation
anyway, I dunno. Turkey is key here, but another series of political-Economic imperatives are driving that policy.
We have to understand that throughout the history of the region, there has never been a western plan that did not deviate from the "what is best for us" theme. Israel/Palestine/Iraq etc. The one country that has bucked the trend and got off the lead is Iran - and that has hardly been welcomed.
Ideas of the west being a policeman are a misrepresentation - not so much a noble copper/ the blunt instrument of law, but a security guard, keeping a check on assets.
IS PR is stomach churning and appalling, but is an MBA level excerise in bare bones guerilla marketing. As a corporation, a brand, a franchise ( for that is what they effectively are), IS are up there with Ebola as todays headline grabbers. and this is not a good thing .In another world/ not too far away from our own they would be getting awards for their campaign success at coke dusted industry events.
Is ISIS a real threat to us ? Its hard to say, it harder to work through the bluster in the media.It takea a bit of work to discover who they are and how they relate to the Syria situation
anyway, I dunno. Turkey is key here, but another series of political-Economic imperatives are driving that policy.
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Isis, by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 23:57:29 GMT 1, Good post Albert
(Reading through this thread there's some real insight and some worrying macho bluster thats regurgitating the Murdoch line)
Good post Albert
(Reading through this thread there's some real insight and some worrying macho bluster thats regurgitating the Murdoch line)
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Oct 7, 2014 23:57:58 GMT 1
Isis, by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 23:57:58 GMT 1, Correct me if I'm wrong but this current situation has developed from our previous interventions surely? Doesn't that clear link at least basically suggest our policies have not worked? (I'm also not sure why this is an either/or situation) An interesting aside is the utter shittiness of the Iraq army and the regualr routing it takes from IS - 'parrently a divisional command costs $20M to secure- but once you have the post, you bloat your troop numbers & costs, flog the gear to all and sundry whilst actually only having a handful of squaddies kicking about the place- leaving you to skim the rest of the numbers to your personal ISA.srsly.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this current situation has developed from our previous interventions surely? Doesn't that clear link at least basically suggest our policies have not worked? (I'm also not sure why this is an either/or situation) An interesting aside is the utter shittiness of the Iraq army and the regualr routing it takes from IS - 'parrently a divisional command costs $20M to secure- but once you have the post, you bloat your troop numbers & costs, flog the gear to all and sundry whilst actually only having a handful of squaddies kicking about the place- leaving you to skim the rest of the numbers to your personal ISA.srsly.
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Oct 7, 2014 23:59:22 GMT 1
Isis, by Dr Plip on Oct 7, 2014 23:59:22 GMT 1,
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Oct 8, 2014 0:04:53 GMT 1
Isis, by johnnyh on Oct 8, 2014 0:04:53 GMT 1, ISIS get away with it due to comments like that ...very foolish Israel, Asad, Putin, Obama, Cameron, Blair, get/got away with it without the help of my comments Its ISIS today, but yesterday it was Al Qaeda, before that Gaddafi, before that Saddam Hussein, before that IRA, its a cycle that keeps repeating, each one getting more extreme, more radical, more violent. ISIS will be replaced by another faction who will make them look like pu**ies. Want to know your future, look at your past And your point is...your comments are a bit like the reasons the. Gun lobby quote for the daft American gun laws. Isis, Al Qaeda, Gaddafi, Hussein, IRA......not sure how the IRA ended up in this as not like the others. Two are dictators and the other two jihadist muslim fundamentalists. So are you saying it would be good to still have Sadam...the guy who gassed his own people based on the fact that he was such a cunt he controlled it all. Your original comments related to US and UK bullets it's probably the mess it is because not enough of them were used.
ISIS get away with it due to comments like that ...very foolish Israel, Asad, Putin, Obama, Cameron, Blair, get/got away with it without the help of my comments Its ISIS today, but yesterday it was Al Qaeda, before that Gaddafi, before that Saddam Hussein, before that IRA, its a cycle that keeps repeating, each one getting more extreme, more radical, more violent. ISIS will be replaced by another faction who will make them look like pu**ies. Want to know your future, look at your past And your point is...your comments are a bit like the reasons the. Gun lobby quote for the daft American gun laws. Isis, Al Qaeda, Gaddafi, Hussein, IRA......not sure how the IRA ended up in this as not like the others. Two are dictators and the other two jihadist muslim fundamentalists. So are you saying it would be good to still have Sadam...the guy who gassed his own people based on the fact that he was such a cunt he controlled it all. Your original comments related to US and UK bullets it's probably the mess it is because not enough of them were used.
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Oct 8, 2014 0:10:52 GMT 1
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Isis, by Coach on Oct 8, 2014 0:10:52 GMT 1,
Wtf? That's meaningless!
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Isis, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 0:12:40 GMT 1,
And that is our media, meaningless sound bites , feeding us fear, no knowledge and a 'way to be'
Sigh
And that is our media, meaningless sound bites , feeding us fear, no knowledge and a 'way to be' Sigh
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Oct 8, 2014 0:20:02 GMT 1
Isis, by johnnyh on Oct 8, 2014 0:20:02 GMT 1, Not at all I am just waiting for one of you to stop whining and suggest a solution!!!
You like the anti UK US rhetoric the problem is ISIS are way out of your league they are a different class they ain't interested in your nice polite views they will chop your head off. They will not sit down for tea and biscuits.
But if you have any suggestions we are still waiting Badrobot your thread 3 pages in not heard anything from you on what should be done........
Not at all I am just waiting for one of you to stop whining and suggest a solution!!!
You like the anti UK US rhetoric the problem is ISIS are way out of your league they are a different class they ain't interested in your nice polite views they will chop your head off. They will not sit down for tea and biscuits.
But if you have any suggestions we are still waiting Badrobot your thread 3 pages in not heard anything from you on what should be done........
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Isis, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 0:22:09 GMT 1, Off topic but interesting
Off topic but interesting
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Oct 8, 2014 0:22:50 GMT 1
Isis, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 0:22:50 GMT 1, propaganda 101 ( I am not 'merican, so I dont know why I have used this )
1) Find a handful of themes, bang 'em out remorselessy until it becomes fact 2) Dehumanise your enemies, assign them subhuman/ alien/ animal traits 3) Supplement with public happenings + appropriate PR 4) Go back to start, repeat this shitty cycle
the CNN cscreen shot above is perfect juxtaposition
propaganda 101 ( I am not 'merican, so I dont know why I have used this )
1) Find a handful of themes, bang 'em out remorselessy until it becomes fact 2) Dehumanise your enemies, assign them subhuman/ alien/ animal traits 3) Supplement with public happenings + appropriate PR 4) Go back to start, repeat this shitty cycle
the CNN cscreen shot above is perfect juxtaposition
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Oct 8, 2014 0:26:55 GMT 1
Isis, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 0:26:55 GMT 1, Israel, Asad, Putin, Obama, Cameron, Blair, get/got away with it without the help of my comments Its ISIS today, but yesterday it was Al Qaeda, before that Gaddafi, before that Saddam Hussein, before that IRA, its a cycle that keeps repeating, each one getting more extreme, more radical, more violent. ISIS will be replaced by another faction who will make them look like pu**ies. Want to know your future, look at your past And your point is...your comments are a bit like the reasons the. Gun lobby quote for the daft American gun laws. Isis, Al Qaeda, Gaddafi, Hussein, IRA......not sure how the IRA ended up in this as not like the others. Two are dictators and the other two jihadist muslim fundamentalists. So are you saying it would be good to still have Sadam...the guy who gassed his own people based on the fact that he was such a c**t he controlled it all. Your original comments related to US and UK bullets it's probably the mess it is because not enough of them were used. Thats the spirit -JohnnyH - kill more innocents!!
why dont you and your buddy iamzero go over to Syria/Iraq and see if you csn fix the issue and save us from your warmongering rhetoric
You really dont have a fucking clue!!!
Israel, Asad, Putin, Obama, Cameron, Blair, get/got away with it without the help of my comments Its ISIS today, but yesterday it was Al Qaeda, before that Gaddafi, before that Saddam Hussein, before that IRA, its a cycle that keeps repeating, each one getting more extreme, more radical, more violent. ISIS will be replaced by another faction who will make them look like pu**ies. Want to know your future, look at your past And your point is...your comments are a bit like the reasons the. Gun lobby quote for the daft American gun laws. Isis, Al Qaeda, Gaddafi, Hussein, IRA......not sure how the IRA ended up in this as not like the others. Two are dictators and the other two jihadist muslim fundamentalists. So are you saying it would be good to still have Sadam...the guy who gassed his own people based on the fact that he was such a c**t he controlled it all. Your original comments related to US and UK bullets it's probably the mess it is because not enough of them were used. Thats the spirit -JohnnyH - kill more innocents!! why dont you and your buddy iamzero go over to Syria/Iraq and see if you csn fix the issue and save us from your warmongering rhetoric You really dont have a fucking clue!!!
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Oct 8, 2014 0:29:54 GMT 1
Isis, by jonb on Oct 8, 2014 0:29:54 GMT 1, It is easy to talk about the right moves but what about Egypt, the west supported the army overthrowing an elected government. It seems our governments want them to take up western values but only if it does not conflict with their global agenda. So what about this girl imprisoned for watching volleyball.
Where do we stand on the suppression of women or the right of somebody to live by their religion? Once our governments took up the policy of globalisation making an interconnected world with common rules what space is there for people who do not agree with the rules the west is seeking to impose? Let alone how the west has been proceeding with this agenda through support of dictatorship and force of arms?
Aesop's fable about the sun and wind comes to my mind, how do you get a man to take his coat off?
It is easy to talk about the right moves but what about Egypt, the west supported the army overthrowing an elected government. It seems our governments want them to take up western values but only if it does not conflict with their global agenda. So what about this girl imprisoned for watching volleyball. Where do we stand on the suppression of women or the right of somebody to live by their religion? Once our governments took up the policy of globalisation making an interconnected world with common rules what space is there for people who do not agree with the rules the west is seeking to impose? Let alone how the west has been proceeding with this agenda through support of dictatorship and force of arms? Aesop's fable about the sun and wind comes to my mind, how do you get a man to take his coat off?
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Isis, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 0:32:04 GMT 1, Not at all I am just waiting for one of you to stop whining and suggest a solution!!! You like the anti UK US rhetoric the problem is ISIS are way out of your league they are a different class they ain't interested in your nice polite views they will chop your head off. They will not sit down for tea and biscuits. But if you have any suggestions we are still waiting Badrobot your thread 3 pages in not heard anything from you on what should be done........
J you're rhetoric seems to sum up an insecure male psyche hoping there's a one liner 'solution' that makes this alright which probably starts with v and ends in e
You see a discussion with no answers, I see a discussion of the issues and a willingness to question and realise that any solution is going to massively long term and take a great deal of bravery that won't be backed up by a baying media nor short term popularity or economic gains
Actually that applies to most areas of governing for the greater long term good !
Not at all I am just waiting for one of you to stop whining and suggest a solution!!! You like the anti UK US rhetoric the problem is ISIS are way out of your league they are a different class they ain't interested in your nice polite views they will chop your head off. They will not sit down for tea and biscuits. But if you have any suggestions we are still waiting Badrobot your thread 3 pages in not heard anything from you on what should be done........ J you're rhetoric seems to sum up an insecure male psyche hoping there's a one liner 'solution' that makes this alright which probably starts with v and ends in e You see a discussion with no answers, I see a discussion of the issues and a willingness to question and realise that any solution is going to massively long term and take a great deal of bravery that won't be backed up by a baying media nor short term popularity or economic gains Actually that applies to most areas of governing for the greater long term good !
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Isis, by johnnyh on Oct 8, 2014 0:35:14 GMT 1, And your point is...your comments are a bit like the reasons the. Gun lobby quote for the daft American gun laws. Isis, Al Qaeda, Gaddafi, Hussein, IRA......not sure how the IRA ended up in this as not like the others. Two are dictators and the other two jihadist muslim fundamentalists. So are you saying it would be good to still have Sadam...the guy who gassed his own people based on the fact that he was such a c**t he controlled it all. Your original comments related to US and UK bullets it's probably the mess it is because not enough of them were used. Thats the spirit -JohnnyH - kill more innocents!! why dont you and your buddy iamzero go over to Syria/Iraq and see if you csn fix the issue and save us from your warmongering rhetoric You really dont have a f**king clue!!! I don't have a fuckin clue.....so you think ISIS are innocents do you have any idea on how many people they are killing..you moron show some intelligence and do a bit of reading
And your point is...your comments are a bit like the reasons the. Gun lobby quote for the daft American gun laws. Isis, Al Qaeda, Gaddafi, Hussein, IRA......not sure how the IRA ended up in this as not like the others. Two are dictators and the other two jihadist muslim fundamentalists. So are you saying it would be good to still have Sadam...the guy who gassed his own people based on the fact that he was such a c**t he controlled it all. Your original comments related to US and UK bullets it's probably the mess it is because not enough of them were used. Thats the spirit -JohnnyH - kill more innocents!! why dont you and your buddy iamzero go over to Syria/Iraq and see if you csn fix the issue and save us from your warmongering rhetoric You really dont have a f**king clue!!! I don't have a fuckin clue.....so you think ISIS are innocents do you have any idea on how many people they are killing..you moron show some intelligence and do a bit of reading
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Isis, by Coach on Oct 8, 2014 0:36:54 GMT 1, I'm not sure that bombing is the answer. I think a dialogue needs to be started. I know this is simplistic. But during the height if the troubles relating to the IRA it was said that there must be no dialogue with terrorists. But the Major government did start such a dialogue, I believe. And I believe it eventually lead to peace. I appreciate there are huge differences. But opening a dialogue would be a start perhaps. I am sure I will be told why this is foolish and niave, but there you go. Not condoning any appalling sickening behaviour, and my heart goes out to the families of those that have been killed.
I'm not sure that bombing is the answer. I think a dialogue needs to be started. I know this is simplistic. But during the height if the troubles relating to the IRA it was said that there must be no dialogue with terrorists. But the Major government did start such a dialogue, I believe. And I believe it eventually lead to peace. I appreciate there are huge differences. But opening a dialogue would be a start perhaps. I am sure I will be told why this is foolish and niave, but there you go. Not condoning any appalling sickening behaviour, and my heart goes out to the families of those that have been killed.
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Oct 8, 2014 0:41:23 GMT 1
Isis, by johnnyh on Oct 8, 2014 0:41:23 GMT 1, Not at all I am just waiting for one of you to stop whining and suggest a solution!!! You like the anti UK US rhetoric the problem is ISIS are way out of your league they are a different class they ain't interested in your nice polite views they will chop your head off. They will not sit down for tea and biscuits. But if you have any suggestions we are still waiting Badrobot your thread 3 pages in not heard anything from you on what should be done........ J you're rhetoric seems to sum up an insecure male psyche hoping there's a one liner 'solution' that makes this alright which probably starts with v and ends in e You see a discussion with no answers, I see a discussion of the issues and a willingness to question and realise that any solution is going to massively long term and take a great deal of bravery that won't be backed up by a baying media nor short term popularity or economic gains Actually that applies to most areas of governing for the greater long term good ! So it's my insecure male psyche now. Two posts ago I was angry etc. stop attacking me fella and stop the waffle you do need to look at what's wrong and look to solutions and blaming the Brits and the US don't cut it really.
so it's a bit like a crap school report...put some more effort in and try harder!!
Not at all I am just waiting for one of you to stop whining and suggest a solution!!! You like the anti UK US rhetoric the problem is ISIS are way out of your league they are a different class they ain't interested in your nice polite views they will chop your head off. They will not sit down for tea and biscuits. But if you have any suggestions we are still waiting Badrobot your thread 3 pages in not heard anything from you on what should be done........ J you're rhetoric seems to sum up an insecure male psyche hoping there's a one liner 'solution' that makes this alright which probably starts with v and ends in e You see a discussion with no answers, I see a discussion of the issues and a willingness to question and realise that any solution is going to massively long term and take a great deal of bravery that won't be backed up by a baying media nor short term popularity or economic gains Actually that applies to most areas of governing for the greater long term good ! So it's my insecure male psyche now. Two posts ago I was angry etc. stop attacking me fella and stop the waffle you do need to look at what's wrong and look to solutions and blaming the Brits and the US don't cut it really. so it's a bit like a crap school report...put some more effort in and try harder!!
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Isis, by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 0:44:26 GMT 1, I don't think you're actually reading this thread, so with that I'll disengage from this futile discussion with you
I don't think you're actually reading this thread, so with that I'll disengage from this futile discussion with you
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Isis, by spirit on Oct 8, 2014 0:56:11 GMT 1, Correct me if I'm wrong but this current situation has developed from our previous interventions surely? Doesn't that clear link at least basically suggest our policies have not worked? (I'm also not sure why this is an either/or situation)
Completely agree. It's a mess of our own making. We should have left Iraq alone. We should have left Libya alone. Afghanistan...harder to say.
Nevertheless, we are where we are.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this current situation has developed from our previous interventions surely? Doesn't that clear link at least basically suggest our policies have not worked? (I'm also not sure why this is an either/or situation) Completely agree. It's a mess of our own making. We should have left Iraq alone. We should have left Libya alone. Afghanistan...harder to say. Nevertheless, we are where we are.
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