iamzero hope my rant didn't cocme across as anti-muslim, i'm anti every religion! Christianity certainly has more than it's share of blood on it's hand, as well as Judaism. The three main monotheist religions are all awful!

From what I've seen ISIS have no demands or cause so what's there to negotiate? They are psychopaths with weapons, laughing as they rape or slaughter anyone they please. I'd love to hear the negotiation plan.

I really don't get these kill/delete the thread arguments.

No one is forcing you to read it. If you don't like it, just ignore it. Move along. Simple.

What on earth makes you think you have the right to try and stop others discussing things as they see fit?

Yes bomb the emplacements around the town gives immediate relief. But in winning the battle you are loosing the war. Because your actions will be interpreted as anti Arab, and that is going to be good recruitment for ISIS or the like, so every one you kill will be replaced by many others.
Because of actions in the past there is no trust without building up trust anything you do will be interpreted as evil, and as such builds the forces against you.

I lived in the Middle East for 20 years and have travelled in pretty much every country in the Middle East 
so have probably spent a lot more time in the Middle East than you have......so wrong again and your probably a plastic!!

So you'd prefer just leaving the Kurds to be raped and slaughtered? Really - what would you do?

And ISIS is far from a purely Arabic group - so not sure how fighting it can be considered as anti-arab per se.

for thebigboss



Firstly I agree with thebigboss to an extent. To my mind it is unfortunate this thread is coming up in new posts it does make it hard for those who do not want to be involved avoid it, however I think badrobot is right and we should not suppress this issue it is about where our culture is going.


For those of you who hate this thread I apologise to you, but I am very much interested in how this community feels on this issue.


To answer Spirit, the problem is how the reagion has been policed in the past. The Kurds up until the gulf war were suppressed by the western powers because the way the boarders were marked out they have no homeland and their independence was consistently crushed because if it was allowed it would destabilise Turkey, Syria, and Iraq and parts of Iran. The Kurds were then used by the dictators of these countries to attack the countries around them, for instance Saddam would gas the Kurds in Iraq to retain control in his area, but supply arms to Kurds in Syria and Turkey Iran to destabilise them. This has meant in each of these countries Kurds have been pushed to the bottom. Now if we start siding with the Kurds they in gaining back even a part of what is due to them will be taking it back from groups like the Arabs. It will been seen as the west just swapping sides again to crush the biggest power in the area, and as soon as the west has done that they will turn on another of our groups.

Now I can understand the argument we are only stopping the killing, but simply nobody in the region will believe you because of the history of lies that the west has always made. Nothing is going to get better until all parties can see a solution which allows them to live as they want to. To do that negotiators are needed not bombs.


You may think we are helping, but in the bigger picture we are just stirring things up again unless we have a clear objective. 

Im calling bullshit on you, if you had, you wouldn't have the stupid opinions you spew out - nor would you call a muslim "plastic". Its those kind of dumb retarded comments by ignorant fuckwits like you, that stir the pot that incite hate or promote another agenda!!

Talking of bullshit i take it no one guessed the right banksy print you were giving away at cost? Does plastic not mean fake, does in my world....

No one guessed right - even with your multiple guesses - and it was a very valid thread. Before your time people used to help each other on this forum, buying Banksy prints and selling them on at cost, or buying one for friends. I tried to do something fun with a print to prove that its not just about money.

Anyway this thread is about ISIS - take it to the other thread

Well you can call bulls**t on what you like dear fellow that's your problem but the fact is that your wrong. 

you said I had never met a Muslim or been to the Middle East. Don't see me inciting any hate just calling out your dumbness....I have had many a conversation with locals of many countries in the Middle East Muslim and Christian, believer and non believers of their various faiths. I have chatted with navy and airforce personnel of various countries during some of the  the conflicts. So my opinions come from hearing these view points and my own.

when I am back home we can play passport stamps where do you have in the Middle East?
mine include Saudi, UAE, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon,Egypt most of them multiple or many times. I fact I spent a week there only 3 weeks ago
What part of the Middle East is Peckham(drop what works in) in anyway!!!!Or have you only been there via the bbc  and the internet? It's not quite the same is it.
"But my mate says"!!!!!

Choose whatever you like, big pharma, obesity, tobacco, fast food, arms industry.. really, whatever. ISIS haven't got a chance in hell of reaching 0.0001% of the kill rate these industries achieve on a weekly basis. As he says, the real killers wear suits and ties and work on wall street ;-)

It's doesn't take much scraping to see peoples utter contempt for others

10 - The rules are not final and are subject to change at any time depending on the circumstances and the degree of cooperation between journalists and their commitment to their brothers in the ISIS media offices.