If you've got the stomach for it watch Clashing of the swords IV (the only one with an English translation I think) and Flames of War. Will tell you a lot about who they are and what they want.

I don't think anyone's disputing the evil on display? But rather the way to tackle this moving forward in a manner that may actually work ...

Policing by Bombing, I think it should be mentioned that the first attempt at policing by bombing was done in Iraq on the Kurds by the British in the 1920's, 90 years ago we have learnt so much.

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There are basically 2 potential solutions with situations like this: Fight or Talk.

(If you have any other potential solutions I'm all ears)

The problem in this particular situation with the talking option is that any negotiator you send will probably be returned to you in two pieces.

ISIS kills all infidels. Full stop. And they have a VERY broad definition of infidel which as well as everyone in the west, also includes a lot of other muslims. The kurds they are fighting now are, like them, mostly Sunni muslims. But they are secular. Therefore apostate. Therefore in need of their heads being separated from their bodies.

The talking solution requires there to be the possibility of finding some common ground. Give and take. A solution that both sides can find mutually acceptable. I honestly don't think there is one that involves infidels still breathing. This is because Islamic extremists cannot deviate in any way whatsoever from their interpretation of the Qur'an. It is the absolute word of God. Either you see things 100% their way, or they kill you. End of.

I appeal to all contributing board members to PLEASE STOP THIS ISIS CHATTER and any other political bullshit. My God this is an art forum in case you've forgotten. Thank you.

Go ahead and post some pictures of that art which questions the world around us and we can all enjoy them. But please take your written political views elsewhere for they are not art. There is a place for everything, just not here.

I agree. Frankly they aren't discussions at all - definitely not constructive -  just shouting for attention and name calling.

Is there any way to delete or hide threads? I am familiar with how to ignore members.

Dear Scooby, perhaps you might want to think about refraining from mentioning me in this thread as I am still reading it waiting for you to come up with some idea of a solution other than one of giving these animals a hug. Trying not to post as I find I do get angry at the fact some bullied Homegrown bed wetter can put on a mask and brutally hack off the head of a man that wanted to help Muslim people. I have hatred for This fanatical group, not because they are Muslim but because because they are murderous wankers. You tried to voice your opposition at the Israeli occupation for some reason that has nothing to do with this thread, well how do you see the invasion of the towns that these terrorists occupy? Were they invited through the town gates to murder people?

Please leave me out of it or PM me your details so we can have a real discussion as I am more than happy to meet with you as I don't feel I can fully articulate how annoyed I am at you trolling me back into this argument.

For what it's worth disagreed with everything after the British boots went into Kuwait. I offer no solution as I'm possibly not educated enough. But I grew up in a place where if someone does you wrong then you stamp it out, usually by standing toe to toe. Educated people can argue a point with dialogue, where I'm from, a swift smack in the eye works better as you can't enter into sensible conversation with an idiot... Or fanatics for that matter.

I repeat, please leave me out of this Scooby or we are gonna have a problem. I don't want to block your posts as I'm genuinely interested in all arguments, even yours and how people see what the solutions should be.

Bizarre and definitely meaningless. But if we go along with CNN 'logic', I'd say malaria or polio would be ISIS and Ebola at this stage more of a Basque separatist splinter group.

At what point did I say ISIS are innocent?  But it is at this point where I call you a fucking idiot. 

Scoobie, I'm sure your sentiments will endear to too a few of the members on here and piss off an equal number who take the opposite view. I'm pretty much in Iamzero's camp on this, in that I don't think I am clever enough to see a solution, unfortunately I can't see anyone else around who is at the moment either.

I generally try to see, and try to understand all points of view in most discussions, but sometimes you have to make an exception. When I heard the news that that Alan Henning had been beheaded, I got incredibly angry, and was convinced that it would 'kick off' over here between the radicals on both sides. The following morning I listened to one of the Imam's from his home town who had campaigned for Alan's release, being interviewed by one of the news channels. Like decent people everywhere, he was outraged at what had happened and distanced himself, Arabs and his religion from the murderers who are carrying out these atrocities.

What he said, and what I agree with, is that this not about religion. It is about a large group of people who round up anyone who doesn't conform exactly to their way of thinking and murders them, wholesale, without compassion and without mercy, regardless of race, sex, age or religion.

They won't listen, negotiate or compromise, but they will eventually run out of bullets. The only problem is, how many more people are we, in the first world , and I grimace as I type that, prepared to see murdered until that happens.

If anyone at this point, comments on my little rant and tries to bring in what the British, Americans, Israel, Palestinians, French, Crusaders, Mongols, Romans etc have done in the past or present, I think I will throw up all over my keyboard.

I think a lot of you have touched on my thoughts but no-one has said what I think is the biggest problem in this situation, and in the world, is religion...it poisons everything.

Now, admittedly, I'm currently reading Hitchens' book God is not Great which though quite erudite at points, is an incredible read so it's probably influencing my thinking.  But this silly notion of religion, and god, and prophets is causing unbelievable harm.  It made sense 2000 years ago when the limit of human intelligence was capped at quite a low level (some would argue in 2000 years we'll look back at now with the same idea) but with the advances of science it's mind blowing that people still cling to this outdated sorcery that exists to subjugate the masses.

Maybe, in this case, ISIS just uses religion as an excuse and not their driving force, that i don't know.  But i think the entire region would be a lot better off without the hocus pocus of god. 

Is it possible that the focus on ISIS is just an orchestrated distraction ?

Im a muslim from the Middle East, you ever spoken to one or ever been there?

thats your problem, you dont read enough, especially what people say - stick to CNN to form your opinions