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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Poly Mindset on Dec 20, 2015 21:29:50 GMT 1, No one here spends ยฃ15k on a print to enjoy on the wall forever. Notice the 'here' part. most get bought to put into posh london apartments that rich russians are buying who give zero s**ts about what it is.
No one here spends ยฃ15k on a print to enjoy on the wall forever. Notice the 'here' part. most get bought to put into posh london apartments that rich russians are buying who give zero s**ts about what it is. Wow, that's quite Saucy Jack (pardon the pun on another member's name). I know everyone is entitled to an opinion however, stereotyping makes one sound arrogant. Why just the other day there was a WTB post for a Banksy for 135K for a members private collection. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Fะฏ on Dec 20, 2015 21:32:25 GMT 1, Who do you think buys over inflated priced work in galleries? No one here.
All bought by people who want it to go in their toilet.
Who do you think buys over inflated priced work in galleries? No one here.
All bought by people who want it to go in their toilet.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Dr Plip on Dec 20, 2015 21:36:49 GMT 1, What about all the people that buy the cheap, mass-produced canvas prints? The Knock-Off T-Shirts? The iPhone covers? The wall decals? The bed sheets? The clocks?
Are they buying them because they hope they will be worth money? Are they trying to be "cool"?
Because I have a feeling there are far more "casual" buyers of Banksy items than there are genuine print and original artwork owners.
People will like things for different reasons. You can't just make sweeping statements like "Because they are worth money" or "It's down to the marketing". Take Star Wars. Many people will buy the merchandise and hoard it because they hope or believe it might rise in value. Many people will go to see the film because they're caught up in the marketing hype. But a whole load of people will enjoy Star Wars because it's entertaining and makes them happy.
I have zero interest in the cash value of Banksy. Couldn't give a s**t. If anything, that aspect of his work spoils it for me, but I guess he might feel differently about it. There are a lot of artists out there whose work sells for squillions, that I wouldn't look twice at. And I have cheap works from unknown artists that I genuinely love.
People like different things for different reasons. Nobody can say definitively why people like what they like. We can only speak for ourselves (he says, speaking for everyone...)
What about all the people that buy the cheap, mass-produced canvas prints? The Knock-Off T-Shirts? The iPhone covers? The wall decals? The bed sheets? The clocks?
Are they buying them because they hope they will be worth money? Are they trying to be "cool"?
Because I have a feeling there are far more "casual" buyers of Banksy items than there are genuine print and original artwork owners.
People will like things for different reasons. You can't just make sweeping statements like "Because they are worth money" or "It's down to the marketing". Take Star Wars. Many people will buy the merchandise and hoard it because they hope or believe it might rise in value. Many people will go to see the film because they're caught up in the marketing hype. But a whole load of people will enjoy Star Wars because it's entertaining and makes them happy.
I have zero interest in the cash value of Banksy. Couldn't give a s**t. If anything, that aspect of his work spoils it for me, but I guess he might feel differently about it. There are a lot of artists out there whose work sells for squillions, that I wouldn't look twice at. And I have cheap works from unknown artists that I genuinely love.
People like different things for different reasons. Nobody can say definitively why people like what they like. We can only speak for ourselves (he says, speaking for everyone...)
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by mouser on Dec 20, 2015 21:45:37 GMT 1, Yes Mouser, we'll agree to disagree. You saw those 2007-2009 queue-ups at POW as an unintended clusterf**k, I saw them as a calculated PR move to drive up the attention and illustrate the hysteria Banksy was commanding. And let's face it, many, if not the majority of those who queued for prints did so because they knew they could resell them for much more than they initially paid. Again, not an accident to price those prints so far below "market value." Nor was it a way for Banksy to reward his "true fans" with affordable art. It was well known by POW that a clusterf**k would ensue from the way they released those editions, and the subsequent flipping of those prints would be good in terms of driving up the value of the Banksy brand. Bravo to them!
Yes Mouser, we'll agree to disagree. You saw those 2007-2009 queue-ups at POW as an unintended clusterf**k, I saw them as a calculated PR move to drive up the attention and illustrate the hysteria Banksy was commanding. And let's face it, many, if not the majority of those who queued for prints did so because they knew they could resell them for much more than they initially paid. Again, not an accident to price those prints so far below "market value." Nor was it a way for Banksy to reward his "true fans" with affordable art. It was well known by POW that a clusterf**k would ensue from the way they released those editions, and the subsequent flipping of those prints would be good in terms of driving up the value of the Banksy brand. Bravo to them! TBH, i was referring to the piss poor internet sales sytems crashing etc, forgot about the queues etc.. But your point remains the same either way. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 20, 2015 23:10:21 GMT 1, You are right Dr. Plip, life is not in black and white. There are certainly shades of grey in between. I was speaking about Banksy works and why I think people buy them. The assorted tat you've mentioned is not what I had in mind. That being said, by allowing said tat to exist without much (if any) interference, the Banksy brand is strengthened. It may not profit directly, but it certainly benefits through pure and simple exposure. I'd hazard a guess that if the people who buy cheap canvas knock-offs had more (a lot more) cash on hand, they'd buy that expensive, genuine, brand name Banksy.
People tend to want what they can't have...
You are right Dr. Plip, life is not in black and white. There are certainly shades of grey in between. I was speaking about Banksy works and why I think people buy them. The assorted tat you've mentioned is not what I had in mind. That being said, by allowing said tat to exist without much (if any) interference, the Banksy brand is strengthened. It may not profit directly, but it certainly benefits through pure and simple exposure. I'd hazard a guess that if the people who buy cheap canvas knock-offs had more (a lot more) cash on hand, they'd buy that expensive, genuine, brand name Banksy.
People tend to want what they can't have...
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 20, 2015 23:14:43 GMT 1, Yes Mouser, we'll agree to disagree. You saw those 2007-2009 queue-ups at POW as an unintended clusterf**k, I saw them as a calculated PR move to drive up the attention and illustrate the hysteria Banksy was commanding. And let's face it, many, if not the majority of those who queued for prints did so because they knew they could resell them for much more than they initially paid. Again, not an accident to price those prints so far below "market value." Nor was it a way for Banksy to reward his "true fans" with affordable art. It was well known by POW that a clusterf**k would ensue from the way they released those editions, and the subsequent flipping of those prints would be good in terms of driving up the value of the Banksy brand. Bravo to them! TBH, i was referring to the piss poor internet sales sytems crashing etc, forgot about the queues etc.. But your point remains the same either way.
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-34014623
Yes Mouser, we'll agree to disagree. You saw those 2007-2009 queue-ups at POW as an unintended clusterf**k, I saw them as a calculated PR move to drive up the attention and illustrate the hysteria Banksy was commanding. And let's face it, many, if not the majority of those who queued for prints did so because they knew they could resell them for much more than they initially paid. Again, not an accident to price those prints so far below "market value." Nor was it a way for Banksy to reward his "true fans" with affordable art. It was well known by POW that a clusterf**k would ensue from the way they released those editions, and the subsequent flipping of those prints would be good in terms of driving up the value of the Banksy brand. Bravo to them! TBH, i was referring to the piss poor internet sales sytems crashing etc, forgot about the queues etc.. But your point remains the same either way. Very similar to the "OMG!!! The demand for Dismaland tickets was so high that the server got hit a bazzillion times and crashed." www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-34014623 |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 21, 2015 1:51:12 GMT 1, He certainly has a good brand going on. He's worked the market well selling OG's to the select few. But to be fair needs a large income from these sales to fund all the stunts which he pulls off. For me that's what sets him aside is the surprise element especially the bristol museum show, the month in new york, and more smaller scale like the works in Palestine etc.
Shame the surprise element was lost for the Dismaland show but he pulled it off.
He certainly has a good brand going on. He's worked the market well selling OG's to the select few. But to be fair needs a large income from these sales to fund all the stunts which he pulls off. For me that's what sets him aside is the surprise element especially the bristol museum show, the month in new york, and more smaller scale like the works in Palestine etc.
Shame the surprise element was lost for the Dismaland show but he pulled it off.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Lroy on Dec 21, 2015 8:16:15 GMT 1, Just because he paints a lot outside, so many artworks, and is an agitator, a provocateur, and is still a rebel ( with cause lol ).
He made incredible 'revolutionary operations as : Difaced tenner, Paris Hilton HMV, painting in Gaza.
Botti show, Dismaland NY petstite and LA exhibitions were excellently and he has the eyes and know how to meet and represent some of our better artists.
Almost all he has a lot of ( black ) humor, is so Brit, he likes Graffitisrts, tattoos , beers, motorbikes, hates cops and people waving flags, and is still unmasked ( secrecy plays a lot for the legend ) . He finds good placements and is CLEVER and I would like to meet him just to talk and have a drink, no more. Iam not a Pom Pom girl nor an insatiable lover.
He has good quotes. Specially on our lazy and boring lifestyle.
I like his ( funny ) interviews too.
When some says here because his prints or artworks , yes, of course some are good, great but some thema could be also a bit childish.
Here is the truth from a true real f.cker that I am.
Not 
I know him on the late because Exit.
Ps I forgot : of course, it's obvious, he created street-art. Blek, with all the respect, made great stencils on the walks, but never gave the powerful fresh air and waves on our walls.
Just because he paints a lot outside, so many artworks, and is an agitator, a provocateur, and is still a rebel ( with cause lol ). He made incredible 'revolutionary operations as : Difaced tenner, Paris Hilton HMV, painting in Gaza. Botti show, Dismaland NY petstite and LA exhibitions were excellently and he has the eyes and know how to meet and represent some of our better artists. Almost all he has a lot of ( black ) humor, is so Brit, he likes Graffitisrts, tattoos , beers, motorbikes, hates cops and people waving flags, and is still unmasked ( secrecy plays a lot for the legend ) . He finds good placements and is CLEVER and I would like to meet him just to talk and have a drink, no more. Iam not a Pom Pom girl nor an insatiable lover. He has good quotes. Specially on our lazy and boring lifestyle. I like his ( funny ) interviews too. When some says here because his prints or artworks , yes, of course some are good, great but some thema could be also a bit childish. Here is the truth from a true real f.cker that I am. Not I know him on the late because Exit. Ps I forgot : of course, it's obvious, he created street-art. Blek, with all the respect, made great stencils on the walks, but never gave the powerful fresh air and waves on our walls. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Lroy on Dec 21, 2015 8:21:32 GMT 1, You are right Dr. Plip, life is not in black and white. There are certainly shades of grey in between. I was speaking about Banksy works and why I think people buy them. The assorted tat you've mentioned is not what I had in mind. That being said, by allowing said tat to exist without much (if any) interference, the Banksy brand is strengthened. It may not profit directly, but it certainly benefits through pure and simple exposure. I'd hazard a guess that if the people who buy cheap canvas knock-offs had more (a lot more) cash on hand, they'd buy that expensive, genuine, brand name Banksy. People tend to want what they can't have...
there is not only prints in the life !
And I am happy that Banksy has f.cked his own system and stopped to make prints ! A great hara-kiri sabotage ! No cathedrals, no icons for real men !
You are right Dr. Plip, life is not in black and white. There are certainly shades of grey in between. I was speaking about Banksy works and why I think people buy them. The assorted tat you've mentioned is not what I had in mind. That being said, by allowing said tat to exist without much (if any) interference, the Banksy brand is strengthened. It may not profit directly, but it certainly benefits through pure and simple exposure. I'd hazard a guess that if the people who buy cheap canvas knock-offs had more (a lot more) cash on hand, they'd buy that expensive, genuine, brand name Banksy. People tend to want what they can't have... there is not only prints in the life ! And I am happy that Banksy has f.cked his own system and stopped to make prints ! A great hara-kiri sabotage ! No cathedrals, no icons for real men ! |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 21, 2015 8:47:15 GMT 1, You are right Dr. Plip, life is not in black and white. There are certainly shades of grey in between. I was speaking about Banksy works and why I think people buy them. The assorted tat you've mentioned is not what I had in mind. That being said, by allowing said tat to exist without much (if any) interference, the Banksy brand is strengthened. It may not profit directly, but it certainly benefits through pure and simple exposure. I'd hazard a guess that if the people who buy cheap canvas knock-offs had more (a lot more) cash on hand, they'd buy that expensive, genuine, brand name Banksy. People tend to want what they can't have... there is not only prints in the life ! And I am happy that Banksy has f.cked his own system and stopped to make prints ! A great hara-kiri sabotage ! No cathedrals, no icons for real men !
You are right Dr. Plip, life is not in black and white. There are certainly shades of grey in between. I was speaking about Banksy works and why I think people buy them. The assorted tat you've mentioned is not what I had in mind. That being said, by allowing said tat to exist without much (if any) interference, the Banksy brand is strengthened. It may not profit directly, but it certainly benefits through pure and simple exposure. I'd hazard a guess that if the people who buy cheap canvas knock-offs had more (a lot more) cash on hand, they'd buy that expensive, genuine, brand name Banksy. People tend to want what they can't have... there is not only prints in the life ! And I am happy that Banksy has f.cked his own system and stopped to make prints ! A great hara-kiri sabotage ! No cathedrals, no icons for real men ! Banksy didn't fuck his own system, he bolstered it. As I've said before, the Banksy brand has decreased supply therefore increasing demand. It's not a radical concept. People want what they cannot have. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Lroy on Dec 21, 2015 9:19:03 GMT 1, there is not only prints in the life ! And I am happy that Banksy has f.cked his own system and stopped to make prints ! A great hara-kiri sabotage ! No cathedrals, no icons for real men ! Banksy didn't f**k his own system, he bolstered it. As I've said before, the Banksy brand has decreased supply therefore increasing demand. It's not a radical concept. People want what they cannot have.
I said if Banksy had decided to stop to make prints ( it is value in less we are agree ? Money that Banksy wont have ) , it means that he wanted to stop all this black market, flipping, and he know perfectly taht's only rich who can buy a print on line now ?!
Even all the other artists ( Faile, Jr , etc.. ) are making prints to earn a lot of money. Banksy said " stop " despite an highly demand. He knows that homeless, the simply worker as I am would not afford to buy a print, even at 350 ยฃ ( 600 for him or more ) but will prefer to drink a pint, buy toys andfood for his family etc...
Don't be so hater with the Banksy Brand, you focate to much on it !! As said Banksy, the day when he will stop, he will stop, as this, without any goodbye, nore fireworks, just stop and continue to make his life. This man lives in a caravan, and has gypsie mind as my " mates " ( For farcue, that I send a big F )
there is not only prints in the life ! And I am happy that Banksy has f.cked his own system and stopped to make prints ! A great hara-kiri sabotage ! No cathedrals, no icons for real men ! Banksy didn't f**k his own system, he bolstered it. As I've said before, the Banksy brand has decreased supply therefore increasing demand. It's not a radical concept. People want what they cannot have. Wow, you never slep Saucyjack ?!! I said if Banksy had decided to stop to make prints ( it is value in less we are agree ? Money that Banksy wont have ) , it means that he wanted to stop all this black market, flipping, and he know perfectly taht's only rich who can buy a print on line now ?! Even all the other artists ( Faile, Jr , etc.. ) are making prints to earn a lot of money. Banksy said " stop " despite an highly demand. He knows that homeless, the simply worker as I am would not afford to buy a print, even at 350 ยฃ ( 600 for him or more ) but will prefer to drink a pint, buy toys andfood for his family etc... Don't be so hater with the Banksy Brand, you focate to much on it !! As said Banksy, the day when he will stop, he will stop, as this, without any goodbye, nore fireworks, just stop and continue to make his life. This man lives in a caravan, and has gypsie mind as my " mates " ( For farcue, that I send a big F ) |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 21, 2015 9:27:08 GMT 1, I am not a "hater" of the Banksy brand, re-read my posts and you will see that I have made it abundantly clear that I am an admirer.
The question was: "What makes people like Banksy works so much?"
My opinion has been consistent in that I believe people want what they cannot have. The Banksy machine has made it so that fewer and fewer people can have and more and more people will want. Supply and demand. A tale as old as time.
I am not a "hater" of the Banksy brand, re-read my posts and you will see that I have made it abundantly clear that I am an admirer.
The question was: "What makes people like Banksy works so much?"
My opinion has been consistent in that I believe people want what they cannot have. The Banksy machine has made it so that fewer and fewer people can have and more and more people will want. Supply and demand. A tale as old as time.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Lroy on Dec 21, 2015 10:30:17 GMT 1, I am not a "hater" of the Banksy brand, re-read my posts and you will see that I have made it abundantly clear that I am an admirer. The question was: "What makes people like Banksy works so much?" My opinion has been consistent in that I believe people want what they cannot have. The Banksy machine has made it so that fewer and fewer people can have and more and more people will want. Supply and demand. A tale as old as time.
and/or sheeps : as Hannibal said in The silence of the lambes : they covet.
Goodies ? Carpets ? Picasso ?
And banksy machine ( you mean his Pr ? Banksy himself ? ) as you said, uses and abuses of ordinary and single people ?
I like the people. Sorry. And they can buy floral pants, iphones or bottles of wines, even if they cant , or to be in overdebitness for a banksy or betting. Nobody has to ble blamed. Its our modern consumption lifestyle ( sic ), and we are all victims and criminals.
I dont like this aspect : in this side, the rich people in secrecy and close to Banksy, and in the other side, the goats, the gooses and the " gueux " !
#neverhappy
#tohaveortohavenot
#searchanddestroy
#Followtheleaders
#killingjoke
I am not a "hater" of the Banksy brand, re-read my posts and you will see that I have made it abundantly clear that I am an admirer. The question was: "What makes people like Banksy works so much?" My opinion has been consistent in that I believe people want what they cannot have. The Banksy machine has made it so that fewer and fewer people can have and more and more people will want. Supply and demand. A tale as old as time. So, this is a bit contemptuous ( sorry but ) : It means, as said le Gรฉnรฉral De Gaulle, that people are all stupid veals ! and/or sheeps : as Hannibal said in The silence of the lambes : they covet. Goodies ? Carpets ? Picasso ? And banksy machine ( you mean his Pr ? Banksy himself ? ) as you said, uses and abuses of ordinary and single people ? I like the people. Sorry. And they can buy floral pants, iphones or bottles of wines, even if they cant , or to be in overdebitness for a banksy or betting. Nobody has to ble blamed. Its our modern consumption lifestyle ( sic ), and we are all victims and criminals. I dont like this aspect : in this side, the rich people in secrecy and close to Banksy, and in the other side, the goats, the gooses and the " gueux " ! #neverhappy #tohaveortohavenot #searchanddestroy #Followtheleaders #killingjoke |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Happy Shopper on Dec 21, 2015 11:11:04 GMT 1, Mouser, it is not a shame. It is what Banksy wanted. To think otherwise is naive at best. The questions was: "What makes people like Banksy works so much?" Art is a luxury item, even those prints you speak of were luxury items, despite what they cost or how long they were available. There was a plan in place in regards to the Banksy brand, long before those editions you speak of were even printed. The fact that there was a signed and unsigned option is evidence of that. The plan was to create a very successful, profitable brand out of the Banksy name. It was beautiful success. That is why people like Banksy works so much. The wealthy people who buy his works today want that brand name Banksy luxury item n their home(s).
I think you're totally overestimating POW/BANKSYs marketing skills and retrospectively attributing success to good planning. Why couldn't it have been luck? Or being in the right place at the right time, and hitting a nerve with the public (or at least with young trendies in East London?).
Most POW prints came in signed and unsigned, all the artists were part of the same Santa's Ghetto shows, etc... So why did Banksy succeed while others stayed in the background?
His prints were never super cheap (ยฃ70 was it?), but I think calling them "Luxury Items" is pushing it somewhat!
Mouser, it is not a shame. It is what Banksy wanted. To think otherwise is naive at best. The questions was: "What makes people like Banksy works so much?" Art is a luxury item, even those prints you speak of were luxury items, despite what they cost or how long they were available. There was a plan in place in regards to the Banksy brand, long before those editions you speak of were even printed. The fact that there was a signed and unsigned option is evidence of that. The plan was to create a very successful, profitable brand out of the Banksy name. It was beautiful success. That is why people like Banksy works so much. The wealthy people who buy his works today want that brand name Banksy luxury item n their home(s). I think you're totally overestimating POW/BANKSYs marketing skills and retrospectively attributing success to good planning. Why couldn't it have been luck? Or being in the right place at the right time, and hitting a nerve with the public (or at least with young trendies in East London?). Most POW prints came in signed and unsigned, all the artists were part of the same Santa's Ghetto shows, etc... So why did Banksy succeed while others stayed in the background? His prints were never super cheap (ยฃ70 was it?), but I think calling them "Luxury Items" is pushing it somewhat! |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by mutatis on Dec 21, 2015 11:21:24 GMT 1, You see Coach, it is about acquisition and failure to acquire. That is why printed editions are numbered and people don't particularly appreciate it when an artist releases more prints outside the original edition. Stakeholders in any particular artist want to know (or at least think) their investment is secure. If it was about the art, and only the art, all editions would be open. The Banksy brand did not invent this system, but did update and master it for the 21st century. Idisagree with this, as banksy prints were on the whole of a similar edition size with the same split from the early prints where prints were available for several years from POW right up to the LA editions selling out in seconds, but for much less than market prices would dictate, keeping editions at least thoretically available to anyone able to snag one and afford a couple hundred quid. The early runs were printed and split into signed / unsigned long before they even knew if an image would sell. I was lucky enough to buy most of my collection back when you could pick and choose images, generally opting to buy two different unsigned prints rather than one signed... Got some great images on my walls, more than 10 years later, i still love the sentiment of each piece, comfortable images that resonate an antiesteblishmant humour. Its a shame money seems to be the main driving factor for banksy enjoyment these days.
You see Coach, it is about acquisition and failure to acquire. That is why printed editions are numbered and people don't particularly appreciate it when an artist releases more prints outside the original edition. Stakeholders in any particular artist want to know (or at least think) their investment is secure. If it was about the art, and only the art, all editions would be open. The Banksy brand did not invent this system, but did update and master it for the 21st century. Idisagree with this, as banksy prints were on the whole of a similar edition size with the same split from the early prints where prints were available for several years from POW right up to the LA editions selling out in seconds, but for much less than market prices would dictate, keeping editions at least thoretically available to anyone able to snag one and afford a couple hundred quid. The early runs were printed and split into signed / unsigned long before they even knew if an image would sell. I was lucky enough to buy most of my collection back when you could pick and choose images, generally opting to buy two different unsigned prints rather than one signed... Got some great images on my walls, more than 10 years later, i still love the sentiment of each piece, comfortable images that resonate an antiesteblishmant humour. Its a shame money seems to be the main driving factor for banksy enjoyment these days.I think you perfectly illustrate the point I was making earlier about early adopters and 'tis indeed a shame especially when it is so blatant. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by My Name is Frank on Dec 21, 2015 11:48:51 GMT 1, A lot of people, including myself, like him because is a funny bastard!
A lot of people, including myself, like him because is a funny bastard! |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 11:52:18 GMT 1, ^^^ LOL.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by andyroo0312 on Dec 21, 2015 12:27:46 GMT 1, "Simple rule of show business. Always leave them wanting more"
"Simple rule of show business. Always leave them wanting more" Hey that's the same rule we have at the agency.. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Coach on Dec 21, 2015 13:58:04 GMT 1, Yes Mouser, we'll agree to disagree. You saw those 2007-2009 queue-ups at POW as an unintended clusterf**k, I saw them as a calculated PR move to drive up the attention and illustrate the hysteria Banksy was commanding. And let's face it, many, if not the majority of those who queued for prints did so because they knew they could resell them for much more than they initially paid. Again, not an accident to price those prints so far below "market value." Nor was it a way for Banksy to reward his "true fans" with affordable art. It was well known by POW that a clusterf**k would ensue from the way they released those editions, and the subsequent flipping of those prints would be good in terms of driving up the value of the Banksy brand. Bravo to them!
That's a very cynical view, and one which I don't (and don't want to) subscribe to.
Yes Mouser, we'll agree to disagree. You saw those 2007-2009 queue-ups at POW as an unintended clusterf**k, I saw them as a calculated PR move to drive up the attention and illustrate the hysteria Banksy was commanding. And let's face it, many, if not the majority of those who queued for prints did so because they knew they could resell them for much more than they initially paid. Again, not an accident to price those prints so far below "market value." Nor was it a way for Banksy to reward his "true fans" with affordable art. It was well known by POW that a clusterf**k would ensue from the way they released those editions, and the subsequent flipping of those prints would be good in terms of driving up the value of the Banksy brand. Bravo to them! That's a very cynical view, and one which I don't (and don't want to) subscribe to. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Coach on Dec 21, 2015 13:59:26 GMT 1, A lot of people, including myself, like him because is a funny bastard!
I agree.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by lee3 on Dec 21, 2015 17:56:11 GMT 1, Mouser, it is not a shame. It is what Banksy wanted. To think otherwise is naive at best. The questions was: "What makes people like Banksy works so much?" Art is a luxury item, even those prints you speak of were luxury items, despite what they cost or how long they were available. There was a plan in place in regards to the Banksy brand, long before those editions you speak of were even printed. The fact that there was a signed and unsigned option is evidence of that. The plan was to create a very successful, profitable brand out of the Banksy name. It was beautiful success. That is why people like Banksy works so much. The wealthy people who buy his works today want that brand name Banksy luxury item n their home(s). I think you're totally overestimating POW/BANKSYs marketing skills and retrospectively attributing success to good planning. Why couldn't it have been luck? Or being in the right place at the right time, and hitting a nerve with the public (or at least with young trendies in East London?). Most POW prints came in signed and unsigned, all the artists were part of the same Santa's Ghetto shows, etc... So why did Banksy succeed while others stayed in the background? His prints were never super cheap (ยฃ70 was it?), but I think calling them "Luxury Items" is pushing it somewhat!
I think you're right HS. I don't believe this was any multi decade strategy back in 2002 to take over the world. Instead, he's cut his own path haphazardly at times and others with careful consideration. For most of his audience, it comes across as genuine although there will always be din from the vocal opposed. We have an idea in our heads about him coupled with some anonymity mystique but all of the answers we seek are right there in the art. We get to decide for ourselves without the posturing in the press from a want-to-be famous celeb and it's quite refreshing.
He could ring that cash register more than nearly any artist in the world and yet he's chosen not too. I may be naive but I believe him when he mentions in the occasional article that he doesn't have near the amount of money that many believe because he's not out there licensing ad nauseam like many others (again, most of us) would choose to do. He exercises considerable restraint in the face of what most consider enormous temptation and his work is stronger for it.
Mouser, it is not a shame. It is what Banksy wanted. To think otherwise is naive at best. The questions was: "What makes people like Banksy works so much?" Art is a luxury item, even those prints you speak of were luxury items, despite what they cost or how long they were available. There was a plan in place in regards to the Banksy brand, long before those editions you speak of were even printed. The fact that there was a signed and unsigned option is evidence of that. The plan was to create a very successful, profitable brand out of the Banksy name. It was beautiful success. That is why people like Banksy works so much. The wealthy people who buy his works today want that brand name Banksy luxury item n their home(s). I think you're totally overestimating POW/BANKSYs marketing skills and retrospectively attributing success to good planning. Why couldn't it have been luck? Or being in the right place at the right time, and hitting a nerve with the public (or at least with young trendies in East London?). Most POW prints came in signed and unsigned, all the artists were part of the same Santa's Ghetto shows, etc... So why did Banksy succeed while others stayed in the background? His prints were never super cheap (ยฃ70 was it?), but I think calling them "Luxury Items" is pushing it somewhat! I think you're right HS. I don't believe this was any multi decade strategy back in 2002 to take over the world. Instead, he's cut his own path haphazardly at times and others with careful consideration. For most of his audience, it comes across as genuine although there will always be din from the vocal opposed. We have an idea in our heads about him coupled with some anonymity mystique but all of the answers we seek are right there in the art. We get to decide for ourselves without the posturing in the press from a want-to-be famous celeb and it's quite refreshing. He could ring that cash register more than nearly any artist in the world and yet he's chosen not too. I may be naive but I believe him when he mentions in the occasional article that he doesn't have near the amount of money that many believe because he's not out there licensing ad nauseam like many others (again, most of us) would choose to do. He exercises considerable restraint in the face of what most consider enormous temptation and his work is stronger for it. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Coach on Dec 21, 2015 18:05:52 GMT 1, I think you're totally overestimating POW/BANKSYs marketing skills and retrospectively attributing success to good planning. Why couldn't it have been luck? Or being in the right place at the right time, and hitting a nerve with the public (or at least with young trendies in East London?). Most POW prints came in signed and unsigned, all the artists were part of the same Santa's Ghetto shows, etc... So why did Banksy succeed while others stayed in the background? His prints were never super cheap (ยฃ70 was it?), but I think calling them "Luxury Items" is pushing it somewhat! I think you're right HS. ย I don't believe this was any multi decade strategy back in 2002 to take over the world. ย Instead, he's cut his own path haphazardly at times and others with careful consideration. ย For most of his audience, it comes across as genuine although there will always be din from the vocal opposed. ย We have an idea in our heads about him coupled with someย anonymity mystique but all of the answers we seek are right there in the art. ย We get to decide for ourselves without the posturing in the press from a want-to-be famous celeb and it's quite refreshing. ย He could ring that cash register more than nearly any artist in the world and yet he's chosen not too. ย I may be naive but I believe him when he mentions in the occasional article that he doesn't have near the amount of money that many believe because he's not out there licensing ad nauseam like many others (again, most of us) would choose to do. ย He exercises considerable restraint in the face of what most consider enormous temptation and his work is stronger for it.
Spot on imo.
I think you're totally overestimating POW/BANKSYs marketing skills and retrospectively attributing success to good planning. Why couldn't it have been luck? Or being in the right place at the right time, and hitting a nerve with the public (or at least with young trendies in East London?). Most POW prints came in signed and unsigned, all the artists were part of the same Santa's Ghetto shows, etc... So why did Banksy succeed while others stayed in the background? His prints were never super cheap (ยฃ70 was it?), but I think calling them "Luxury Items" is pushing it somewhat! I think you're right HS. ย I don't believe this was any multi decade strategy back in 2002 to take over the world. ย Instead, he's cut his own path haphazardly at times and others with careful consideration. ย For most of his audience, it comes across as genuine although there will always be din from the vocal opposed. ย We have an idea in our heads about him coupled with someย anonymity mystique but all of the answers we seek are right there in the art. ย We get to decide for ourselves without the posturing in the press from a want-to-be famous celeb and it's quite refreshing. ย He could ring that cash register more than nearly any artist in the world and yet he's chosen not too. ย I may be naive but I believe him when he mentions in the occasional article that he doesn't have near the amount of money that many believe because he's not out there licensing ad nauseam like many others (again, most of us) would choose to do. ย He exercises considerable restraint in the face of what most consider enormous temptation and his work is stronger for it. Spot on imo. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 21, 2015 19:34:02 GMT 1, While I don't expect many to agree with me here on the Banksy board, I am surprised so few of you are unable or unwilling to see the forest from the trees.
I won't bother you anymore with my cynical conspiracy theories about why people like Banksy works so much.
While I don't expect many to agree with me here on the Banksy board, I am surprised so few of you are unable or unwilling to see the forest from the trees.
I won't bother you anymore with my cynical conspiracy theories about why people like Banksy works so much.
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Cornish Crayon on Dec 21, 2015 19:38:47 GMT 1, Wood
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 21, 2015 19:56:59 GMT 1, exactly...
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 21:03:36 GMT 1,
whats not to like .
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 0:33:39 GMT 1, While I don't expect many to agree with me here on the Banksy board, I am surprised so few of you are unable or unwilling to see the forest from the trees. I won't bother you anymore with my cynical conspiracy theories about why people like Banksy works so much.
I like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils.
The prints when they were affordable would be nice to keep without thinking about rising values and them turning into commodities to use as trade.
I get the feeling that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist and the Calais stencil a reflection of that.
While I don't expect many to agree with me here on the Banksy board, I am surprised so few of you are unable or unwilling to see the forest from the trees. I won't bother you anymore with my cynical conspiracy theories about why people like Banksy works so much. I like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. The prints when they were affordable would be nice to keep without thinking about rising values and them turning into commodities to use as trade. I get the feeling that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist and the Calais stencil a reflection of that. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 22, 2015 0:39:33 GMT 1, While I don't expect many to agree with me here on the Banksy board, I am surprised so few of you are unable or unwilling to see the forest from the trees. I won't bother you anymore with my cynical conspiracy theories about why people like Banksy works so much. I like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. The prints when they were affordable would be nice to keep without thinking about rising values and them turning into commodities to use as trade. I get the feeling that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist and the Calais stencil a reflection of that.
I also agree that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist. Though we may disagree on the timeline of said shift and who was behind it.
While I don't expect many to agree with me here on the Banksy board, I am surprised so few of you are unable or unwilling to see the forest from the trees. I won't bother you anymore with my cynical conspiracy theories about why people like Banksy works so much. I like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. The prints when they were affordable would be nice to keep without thinking about rising values and them turning into commodities to use as trade. I get the feeling that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist and the Calais stencil a reflection of that. I also like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. They were good adverts for his paper and canvas works, which increased as those street works decreased. I also agree that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist. Though we may disagree on the timeline of said shift and who was behind it. |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 0:50:23 GMT 1, I like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. The prints when they were affordable would be nice to keep without thinking about rising values and them turning into commodities to use as trade. I get the feeling that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist and the Calais stencil a reflection of that. I also like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. They were good adverts for his paper and canvas works, which increased as those street works decreased. I also agree that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist. Though we may disagree on the timeline of said shift and who was behind it.
A well known artist, not street artist suggested to me who was behind it a few years ago.
From a witty vandal to organising an exhibition at Bristol museum must have cost a lot of money to set up and also the lawyers that drew up the contracts for the museum staff and coucnils to sign including handing over security footage etc must have been expensive too. Very expensive.
Investors who needed a return ?
I like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. The prints when they were affordable would be nice to keep without thinking about rising values and them turning into commodities to use as trade. I get the feeling that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist and the Calais stencil a reflection of that. I also like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. They were good adverts for his paper and canvas works, which increased as those street works decreased. I also agree that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist. Though we may disagree on the timeline of said shift and who was behind it. A well known artist, not street artist suggested to me who was behind it a few years ago. From a witty vandal to organising an exhibition at Bristol museum must have cost a lot of money to set up and also the lawyers that drew up the contracts for the museum staff and coucnils to sign including handing over security footage etc must have been expensive too. Very expensive. Investors who needed a return ? |
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What makes people like Banksy works so much, by saucyjack on Dec 22, 2015 1:01:46 GMT 1, I also like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. They were good adverts for his paper and canvas works, which increased as those street works decreased. I also agree that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist. Though we may disagree on the timeline of said shift and who was behind it. A well known artist, not street artist suggested to me who was behind it a few years ago. From a witty vandal to organising an exhibition at Bristol museum must have cost a lot of money to set up and also the lawyers that drew up the contracts for the museum staff and coucnils to sign including handing over security footage etc must have been expensive too. Very expensive. Investors who needed a return ?
It's delicate too... 
One cannot argue with the results in the case of Banksy. Bravo, I say.
I also like Banksy's witty street pieces and stencils. They were good adverts for his paper and canvas works, which increased as those street works decreased. I also agree that he went from a witty vandal to a managed artist. Though we may disagree on the timeline of said shift and who was behind it. A well known artist, not street artist suggested to me who was behind it a few years ago. From a witty vandal to organising an exhibition at Bristol museum must have cost a lot of money to set up and also the lawyers that drew up the contracts for the museum staff and coucnils to sign including handing over security footage etc must have been expensive too. Very expensive. Investors who needed a return ? Branding is long, hard, and expensive work. It's delicate too... One cannot argue with the results in the case of Banksy. Bravo, I say. |
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