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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Happy Shopper on Apr 20, 2016 15:39:08 GMT 1, There are immigrants and there are immigrants. The EU doesn't care or know the difference. It's run by very rich people who pay no tax who live like kings and who between them have shown they cannot do anything without wasting (on themselves and their cronies) billions. There should never have been open borders across the EU and the Euro is a ponzi scheme which has succeeded in dragging Germany into what will be a 1930's style recession if Merkel Stasi s**t bag has her way. I seriously think War can breakout across some European countries within the next 10 years. Unemployment rising, and more extreme political groups gaining control with Racist views and rules on religion. We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan!
"Protecting our borders" is exactly what the racists across Europe are talking about, and you're suggesting it as a solution?
There are immigrants and there are immigrants. The EU doesn't care or know the difference. It's run by very rich people who pay no tax who live like kings and who between them have shown they cannot do anything without wasting (on themselves and their cronies) billions. There should never have been open borders across the EU and the Euro is a ponzi scheme which has succeeded in dragging Germany into what will be a 1930's style recession if Merkel Stasi s**t bag has her way. I seriously think War can breakout across some European countries within the next 10 years. Unemployment rising, and more extreme political groups gaining control with Racist views and rules on religion. We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan! "Protecting our borders" is exactly what the racists across Europe are talking about, and you're suggesting it as a solution? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 16:01:57 GMT 1, There are immigrants and there are immigrants. The EU doesn't care or know the difference. It's run by very rich people who pay no tax who live like kings and who between them have shown they cannot do anything without wasting (on themselves and their cronies) billions. There should never have been open borders across the EU and the Euro is a ponzi scheme which has succeeded in dragging Germany into what will be a 1930's style recession if Merkel Stasi s**t bag has her way. I seriously think War can breakout across some European countries within the next 10 years. Unemployment rising, and more extreme political groups gaining control with Racist views and rules on religion. We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan!
There are immigrants and there are immigrants. The EU doesn't care or know the difference. It's run by very rich people who pay no tax who live like kings and who between them have shown they cannot do anything without wasting (on themselves and their cronies) billions. There should never have been open borders across the EU and the Euro is a ponzi scheme which has succeeded in dragging Germany into what will be a 1930's style recession if Merkel Stasi s**t bag has her way. I seriously think War can breakout across some European countries within the next 10 years. Unemployment rising, and more extreme political groups gaining control with Racist views and rules on religion. We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan! I don't like this new world, let's run away and hide, and perhaps the nasty men will go away! Genius! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Apr 20, 2016 16:30:08 GMT 1, I seriously think War can breakout across some European countries within the next 10 years. Unemployment rising, and more extreme political groups gaining control with Racist views and rules on religion. We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan! "Protecting our borders" is exactly what the racists across Europe are talking about, and you're suggesting it as a solution?
I dont understand how what you said relates to what I said, sorry  solution to what?
I seriously think War can breakout across some European countries within the next 10 years. Unemployment rising, and more extreme political groups gaining control with Racist views and rules on religion. We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan! "Protecting our borders" is exactly what the racists across Europe are talking about, and you're suggesting it as a solution? I dont understand how what you said relates to what I said, sorry solution to what? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 16:40:32 GMT 1, Can't we just shake it all about?
Can't we just shake it all about?
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Apr 20, 2016 16:45:00 GMT 1, I seriously think War can breakout across some European countries within the next 10 years. Unemployment rising, and more extreme political groups gaining control with Racist views and rules on religion. We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan! I don't like this new world, let's run away and hide, and perhaps the nasty men will go away! Genius!
I seriously think War can breakout across some European countries within the next 10 years. Unemployment rising, and more extreme political groups gaining control with Racist views and rules on religion. We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan! I don't like this new world, let's run away and hide, and perhaps the nasty men will go away! Genius! I don't think it's like that at all, I think it's better described as putting our own country in a better position to do good and actually help those who need it more than now. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Happy Shopper on Apr 20, 2016 17:09:24 GMT 1, "Protecting our borders" is exactly what the racists across Europe are talking about, and you're suggesting it as a solution? I dont understand how what you said relates to what I said, sorry solution to what?
You seem to be saying that the way to protect ourselves from the troubles in Europe (you say caused by racist groups) is to isolate ourselves and protect our borders. That's what you're saying, right?
"Protecting our borders" is exactly what the racists across Europe are talking about, and you're suggesting it as a solution? I dont understand how what you said relates to what I said, sorry solution to what? "We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan" You seem to be saying that the way to protect ourselves from the troubles in Europe (you say caused by racist groups) is to isolate ourselves and protect our borders. That's what you're saying, right? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 17:20:29 GMT 1, My Daugher who is a very caring sharing everyone is equal type of person, says we have to stay in becuase if we leave we are doomed, the conservatives will fuck us even more then now, and the average guy will be royally shafted, human rights will be fucked. The conservatives will destroy us,
I don't know if i agree with this, but she said it with conviction, therefore......... i am now an innie
My Daugher who is a very caring sharing everyone is equal type of person, says we have to stay in becuase if we leave we are doomed, the conservatives will fuck us even more then now, and the average guy will be royally shafted, human rights will be fucked. The conservatives will destroy us,
I don't know if i agree with this, but she said it with conviction, therefore......... i am now an innie
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Apr 20, 2016 17:24:47 GMT 1, My Daugher who is a very caring sharing everyone is equal type of person, says we have to stay in becuase if we leave we are doomed, the conservatives will f**k us even more then now, and the average guy will be royally shafted, human rights will be f**ked. The conservatives will destroy us, I don't know if i agree with this, but she said it with conviction, therefore......... i am now an innie
Your daughter sounds like a bright lady with an admirable social conscience. With you as her dad, I'm not surprised.
My Daugher who is a very caring sharing everyone is equal type of person, says we have to stay in becuase if we leave we are doomed, the conservatives will f**k us even more then now, and the average guy will be royally shafted, human rights will be f**ked. The conservatives will destroy us, I don't know if i agree with this, but she said it with conviction, therefore......... i am now an innie Your daughter sounds like a bright lady with an admirable social conscience. With you as her dad, I'm not surprised. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Apr 20, 2016 17:33:25 GMT 1, I dont understand how what you said relates to what I said, sorry solution to what? "We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan" You seem to be saying that the way to protect ourselves from the troubles in Europe (you say caused by racist groups) is to isolate ourselves and protect our borders. That's what you're saying, right?
I dont understand how what you said relates to what I said, sorry solution to what? "We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan" You seem to be saying that the way to protect ourselves from the troubles in Europe (you say caused by racist groups) is to isolate ourselves and protect our borders. That's what you're saying, right? If other countries in Europe start electing political groups with racist views then the European Union will also move in that direction. What people in those countries decide to do is beyond our control, but if things go that way then we in the UK need to gain more control of our own destiny to protect our own people's rights and to offer help to those who need it anywhere around the World on an equal and fair footing. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 17:45:29 GMT 1, "We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan" You seem to be saying that the way to protect ourselves from the troubles in Europe (you say caused by racist groups) is to isolate ourselves and protect our borders. That's what you're saying, right? If other countries in Europe start electing political groups with racist views then the European Union will also move in that direction. What people in those countries decide to do is beyond our control, but if things go that way then we in the UK need to gain more control of our own destiny to protect our own people's rights and to offer help to those who need it anywhere around the World on an equal and fair footing.
"We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan" You seem to be saying that the way to protect ourselves from the troubles in Europe (you say caused by racist groups) is to isolate ourselves and protect our borders. That's what you're saying, right? If other countries in Europe start electing political groups with racist views then the European Union will also move in that direction. What people in those countries decide to do is beyond our control, but if things go that way then we in the UK need to gain more control of our own destiny to protect our own people's rights and to offer help to those who need it anywhere around the World on an equal and fair footing. errm, but the current Conservatives are one of the most nationalistic, jingoistic and racist governments around. Didn't Cameron get called out for being a racist just yesterday ? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Happy Shopper on Apr 20, 2016 17:48:28 GMT 1, "We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan" You seem to be saying that the way to protect ourselves from the troubles in Europe (you say caused by racist groups) is to isolate ourselves and protect our borders. That's what you're saying, right? If other countries in Europe start electing political groups with racist views then the European Union will also move in that direction. What people in those countries decide to do is beyond our control, but if things go that way then we in the UK need to gain more control of our own destiny to protect our own people's rights and to offer help to those who need it anywhere around the World on an equal and fair footing.
I'm not sure that's particularly happening though is it? Or only in the same way as UKIP is doing in the UK, (the reason we've been forced into this referendum).
The masses are in fear of terrorists and/or immigrants, killing us or taking our jobs... fuelled by the Daily Mail, etc.
We should be in Europe to vote against the crazies causing us more trouble, not leaving them to it and hoping they leave us alone. That won't happen.
And don't forget, it wasn't Europe that led us into various wars in the middle east, causing our current situation, it was the our government and the US leading them.
"We are best to take control or our own country and limit the damage when the s**t hits the fan" You seem to be saying that the way to protect ourselves from the troubles in Europe (you say caused by racist groups) is to isolate ourselves and protect our borders. That's what you're saying, right? If other countries in Europe start electing political groups with racist views then the European Union will also move in that direction. What people in those countries decide to do is beyond our control, but if things go that way then we in the UK need to gain more control of our own destiny to protect our own people's rights and to offer help to those who need it anywhere around the World on an equal and fair footing. I'm not sure that's particularly happening though is it? Or only in the same way as UKIP is doing in the UK, (the reason we've been forced into this referendum). The masses are in fear of terrorists and/or immigrants, killing us or taking our jobs... fuelled by the Daily Mail, etc. We should be in Europe to vote against the crazies causing us more trouble, not leaving them to it and hoping they leave us alone. That won't happen. And don't forget, it wasn't Europe that led us into various wars in the middle east, causing our current situation, it was the our government and the US leading them. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Cornish Crayon on Apr 20, 2016 17:52:19 GMT 1, Can't we just shake it all about?
What if the okie cokie, is really what it's all about ?
Can't we just shake it all about? What if the okie cokie, is really what it's all about ? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 17:59:33 GMT 1, I see fear of change being a driver to stay, but thats just missing the new opportunities it would create if we leave. That's an interesting point, but it seems to be the fear of change that is driving many to want to leave. The change to their community because of immigration, and an idea that we were better off before, so lets go back to that (forgetting that Britain was in a terrible state in the decades before joining Europe) Leaving just because we can and it won't change much doesn't sound like much of an argument.
The thing with that argument is we don't live in that UK any more. we have come a long way since then. Are we really going to suddenly plunge back into some kind of darkness just because we aren't in Europe? I would hope we could retain what we have worked to become without having it be conditional to our being in europe.
i wasn't suggesting we leave because we can, i was saying the fear levels of leaving seem to stop people realising the gains we could make if we did leave. the saving alone from having a 2 tier system of politics which is of course rinsed for all its worth would leave us with more money to spend here. the idea we would be cut off somehow when it comes to trade is just a ridiculousness.
I see fear of change being a driver to stay, but thats just missing the new opportunities it would create if we leave. That's an interesting point, but it seems to be the fear of change that is driving many to want to leave. The change to their community because of immigration, and an idea that we were better off before, so lets go back to that (forgetting that Britain was in a terrible state in the decades before joining Europe) Leaving just because we can and it won't change much doesn't sound like much of an argument. yeah, its not great having farrage and all the other racist twats on my side of the debate. But i separate their issues from my reasoning. The thing with that argument is we don't live in that UK any more. we have come a long way since then. Are we really going to suddenly plunge back into some kind of darkness just because we aren't in Europe? I would hope we could retain what we have worked to become without having it be conditional to our being in europe. i wasn't suggesting we leave because we can, i was saying the fear levels of leaving seem to stop people realising the gains we could make if we did leave. the saving alone from having a 2 tier system of politics which is of course rinsed for all its worth would leave us with more money to spend here. the idea we would be cut off somehow when it comes to trade is just a ridiculousness. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Apr 20, 2016 18:07:29 GMT 1, If other countries in Europe start electing political groups with racist views then the European Union will also move in that direction. What people in those countries decide to do is beyond our control, but if things go that way then we in the UK need to gain more control of our own destiny to protect our own people's rights and to offer help to those who need it anywhere around the World on an equal and fair footing. errm, but the current Conservatives are one of the most nationalistic, jingoistic and racist governments around. Didn't Cameron get called out for being a racist just yesterday ?
If other countries in Europe start electing political groups with racist views then the European Union will also move in that direction. What people in those countries decide to do is beyond our control, but if things go that way then we in the UK need to gain more control of our own destiny to protect our own people's rights and to offer help to those who need it anywhere around the World on an equal and fair footing. errm, but the current Conservatives are one of the most nationalistic, jingoistic and racist governments around. Didn't Cameron get called out for being a racist just yesterday ? I don't agree, sorry. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Wearology on Apr 20, 2016 18:12:09 GMT 1, If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office.
If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 18:17:00 GMT 1, If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office.
If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office. lol i think we have already made it clear to your president what we think of US intervention on this issue. ;-) |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Apr 20, 2016 18:17:38 GMT 1, If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office.
Haaaa thank you 
And people think we have got it bad here in the UK  would you prefer a bit of Trump?
If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office. Haaaa thank you And people think we have got it bad here in the UK would you prefer a bit of Trump? |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 18:19:22 GMT 1, If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office. Haaaa thank you And people think we have got it bad here in the UK would you prefer a bit of Trump?
If our friends across the pond need some Political Guidance we will gladly lend you Mr. Trump for a few months but you must promise to return him by January when he takes office. Haaaa thank you And people think we have got it bad here in the UK would you prefer a bit of Trump? dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Apr 20, 2016 18:23:43 GMT 1, Haaaa thank you And people think we have got it bad here in the UK would you prefer a bit of Trump? dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there!
Haaaa thank you And people think we have got it bad here in the UK would you prefer a bit of Trump? dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! I think he will make a great PM, and looking around the political scene I can't see anyone from any party who would have a chance against him in an election. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by tartarus on Apr 20, 2016 18:26:24 GMT 1, dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! I think he will make a great PM, and looking around the political scene I can't see anyone from any party who would have a chance against him in an election.
dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! I think he will make a great PM, and looking around the political scene I can't see anyone from any party who would have a chance against him in an election. thats it!! i quit! I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Apr 20, 2016 18:39:56 GMT 1, thats it!! i quit! I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make no mistake, Boris is being groomed for leadership. Boris and Cameron are very good friends. All that opposing views thing is just a game they are playing. It alllows the Tories to shift their political stance without loss of face.
thats it!! i quit! I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make no mistake, Boris is being groomed for leadership. Boris and Cameron are very good friends. All that opposing views thing is just a game they are playing. It alllows the Tories to shift their political stance without loss of face. Yep, the EU vote is very close and they can easily jump one way or the other depending on the result. The other parties are just keeping their mouths shut in fear of upsetting half the country and backing the wrong horse |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Happy Shopper on Apr 20, 2016 18:43:16 GMT 1, thats it!! i quit! I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make no mistake, Boris is being groomed for leadership. Boris and Cameron are very good friends. All that opposing views thing is just a game they are playing. It alllows the Tories to shift their political stance without loss of face.
If they're grooming Boris for leadership they better hope the public vote to leave Europe... Otherwise they're already off to a bad start with him!
I actually think, despite appearing to campaign to stay in, the conservatives think the public will vote to leave and Cameron handing the reigns to Boris will be a logical next step.
thats it!! i quit! I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make no mistake, Boris is being groomed for leadership. Boris and Cameron are very good friends. All that opposing views thing is just a game they are playing. It alllows the Tories to shift their political stance without loss of face. If they're grooming Boris for leadership they better hope the public vote to leave Europe... Otherwise they're already off to a bad start with him! I actually think, despite appearing to campaign to stay in, the conservatives think the public will vote to leave and Cameron handing the reigns to Boris will be a logical next step. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Happy Shopper on Apr 20, 2016 18:48:36 GMT 1, That's an interesting point, but it seems to be the fear of change that is driving many to want to leave. The change to their community because of immigration, and an idea that we were better off before, so lets go back to that (forgetting that Britain was in a terrible state in the decades before joining Europe) Leaving just because we can and it won't change much doesn't sound like much of an argument. yeah, its not great having farrage and all the other racist t**ts on my side of the debate. But i separate their issues from my reasoning. The thing with that argument is we don't live in that UK any more. we have come a long way since then. Are we really going to suddenly plunge back into some kind of darkness just because we aren't in Europe? I would hope we could retain what we have worked to become without having it be conditional to our being in europe. i wasn't suggesting we leave because we can, i was saying the fear levels of leaving seem to stop people realising the gains we could make if we did leave. the saving alone from having a 2 tier system of politics which is of course rinsed for all its worth would leave us with more money to spend here. the idea we would be cut off somehow when it comes to trade is just a ridiculousness.
I don't see trade being a big issue either way either.
If you look at the numbers though there's no gains from leaving. We get a lot of cash back from Europe in all sorts of ways.
And from an individual points of view, guaranteed loses through things like import duty coming back, and restrictions on working abroad.
Staying is just keeping the status quo, and sounds a bit boring, but I strongly believe we're better off.
That's an interesting point, but it seems to be the fear of change that is driving many to want to leave. The change to their community because of immigration, and an idea that we were better off before, so lets go back to that (forgetting that Britain was in a terrible state in the decades before joining Europe) Leaving just because we can and it won't change much doesn't sound like much of an argument. yeah, its not great having farrage and all the other racist t**ts on my side of the debate. But i separate their issues from my reasoning. The thing with that argument is we don't live in that UK any more. we have come a long way since then. Are we really going to suddenly plunge back into some kind of darkness just because we aren't in Europe? I would hope we could retain what we have worked to become without having it be conditional to our being in europe. i wasn't suggesting we leave because we can, i was saying the fear levels of leaving seem to stop people realising the gains we could make if we did leave. the saving alone from having a 2 tier system of politics which is of course rinsed for all its worth would leave us with more money to spend here. the idea we would be cut off somehow when it comes to trade is just a ridiculousness. I don't see trade being a big issue either way either. If you look at the numbers though there's no gains from leaving. We get a lot of cash back from Europe in all sorts of ways. And from an individual points of view, guaranteed loses through things like import duty coming back, and restrictions on working abroad. Staying is just keeping the status quo, and sounds a bit boring, but I strongly believe we're better off. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Apr 20, 2016 18:56:33 GMT 1, dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! I think he will make a great PM, and looking around the political scene I can't see anyone from any party who would have a chance against him in an election.
He's a buffoon.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Coach on Apr 20, 2016 19:02:46 GMT 1, yeah, its not great having farrage and all the other racist t**ts on my side of the debate. But i separate their issues from my reasoning. The thing with that argument is we don't live in that UK any more. we have come a long way since then. Are we really going to suddenly plunge back into some kind of darkness just because we aren't in Europe? I would hope we could retain what we have worked to become without having it be conditional to our being in europe. i wasn't suggesting we leave because we can, i was saying the fear levels of leaving seem to stop people realising the gains we could make if we did leave. the saving alone from having a 2 tier system of politics which is of course rinsed for all its worth would leave us with more money to spend here. the idea we would be cut off somehow when it comes to trade is just a ridiculousness. I don't see trade being a big issue either way either. If you look at the numbers though there's no gains from leaving. We get a lot of cash back from Europe in all sorts of ways. And from an individual points of view, guaranteed loses through things like import duty coming back, and restrictions on working abroad. Staying is just keeping the status quo, and sounds a bit boring, but I strongly believe we're better off.
I agree with what you have said, apart from trade being unaffected.
The French and the Germans will not agree to us trading freely without having to contribute to the free market in the way they have to. And who could blame them? Gove is living in cloud cuckoo land suggesting that it will be easy and enjoyable to negotiate a unique trade arrangement.
Almost all organisations that have access to the knowledge and information to advise properly say we will be worse off out. See my earlier post. 9 out of 10 economists say the same (see my much earlier post).
yeah, its not great having farrage and all the other racist t**ts on my side of the debate. But i separate their issues from my reasoning. The thing with that argument is we don't live in that UK any more. we have come a long way since then. Are we really going to suddenly plunge back into some kind of darkness just because we aren't in Europe? I would hope we could retain what we have worked to become without having it be conditional to our being in europe. i wasn't suggesting we leave because we can, i was saying the fear levels of leaving seem to stop people realising the gains we could make if we did leave. the saving alone from having a 2 tier system of politics which is of course rinsed for all its worth would leave us with more money to spend here. the idea we would be cut off somehow when it comes to trade is just a ridiculousness. I don't see trade being a big issue either way either. If you look at the numbers though there's no gains from leaving. We get a lot of cash back from Europe in all sorts of ways. And from an individual points of view, guaranteed loses through things like import duty coming back, and restrictions on working abroad. Staying is just keeping the status quo, and sounds a bit boring, but I strongly believe we're better off. I agree with what you have said, apart from trade being unaffected. The French and the Germans will not agree to us trading freely without having to contribute to the free market in the way they have to. And who could blame them? Gove is living in cloud cuckoo land suggesting that it will be easy and enjoyable to negotiate a unique trade arrangement. Almost all organisations that have access to the knowledge and information to advise properly say we will be worse off out. See my earlier post. 9 out of 10 economists say the same (see my much earlier post). |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 20:51:28 GMT 1, dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! I think he will make a great PM, and looking around the political scene I can't see anyone from any party who would have a chance against him in an election.
His persona is cunningly played to give the element of comedy, but he's a very dangerous man.
There are plenty of white elephants in London, left behind as a result of his mayoral legacy. He lies to get his way, and when things get awkward he blusters and puts his hands through his hair. Don't fall for it.
dont laugh to hard!! your clearly forgetting the Boris issue there! I think he will make a great PM, and looking around the political scene I can't see anyone from any party who would have a chance against him in an election. Johnson is a c***! An out and out c***! He makes it up, playing the buffoon very cleverly to hide his ignorance. He was pulled apart recently by a Parliamentary Committee that exposed his lies. His persona is cunningly played to give the element of comedy, but he's a very dangerous man. There are plenty of white elephants in London, left behind as a result of his mayoral legacy. He lies to get his way, and when things get awkward he blusters and puts his hands through his hair. Don't fall for it. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 21:26:49 GMT 1, I do think that the Brussels beaurocrats like President Juncker and others should never be selected from politicians or country leaders or party leaders of the past. The EU should function seperate from old political ties and it is too easy as proven for the EU to be an old boys club where counties failed politicians get high paid gigs at the EU as for example the Kinnock family and Mandelson etc and also Juncker the alcoholic some say who played his role in helping companies hide money in Luxembourg when he was PM.
It is a gravy train and the EU is in part very racist as it does not see a european countries people as having a culture worth protecting. It's all about assimilation and forced assimilation and if it creates a country within a country they don't care.
As for war and conflicts starting in Europe in the future. It allready has started and it is being covered up by politicians and the media.
We are at war.
I do think that the Brussels beaurocrats like President Juncker and others should never be selected from politicians or country leaders or party leaders of the past. The EU should function seperate from old political ties and it is too easy as proven for the EU to be an old boys club where counties failed politicians get high paid gigs at the EU as for example the Kinnock family and Mandelson etc and also Juncker the alcoholic some say who played his role in helping companies hide money in Luxembourg when he was PM.
It is a gravy train and the EU is in part very racist as it does not see a european countries people as having a culture worth protecting. It's all about assimilation and forced assimilation and if it creates a country within a country they don't care.
As for war and conflicts starting in Europe in the future. It allready has started and it is being covered up by politicians and the media.
We are at war.
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Daniel Silk on Apr 20, 2016 22:18:01 GMT 1, Silky, please don't take this the wrong way, it's a genuine question. I've often wondered what right leaning/Conservative people can possibly take from the majority of street art, especially the work of Banksy. After all, much of it is a direct attack/criticism of right wing policies or ideals. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter, and apologies if I've made the wrong presumption about your political allegiance.
But for myself I only vote for what I feel is right, rather than letting all the political party baggage and history cloud things. When it comes to Art, certainly politics doesn't come into the equation, many pieces in my collection would probably be viewed by you as being against what you feel are my political views, but in my mind it's Art that I love, rather than being some kind of protest.
hope that makes scene great question, thanks for asking.
Silky, please don't take this the wrong way, it's a genuine question. I've often wondered what right leaning/Conservative people can possibly take from the majority of street art, especially the work of Banksy. After all, much of it is a direct attack/criticism of right wing policies or ideals. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter, and apologies if I've made the wrong presumption about your political allegiance. I understand many people in this scene have very very strong political views, and think rightly or wrongly that the Artists have the same allegiances, and produce art with that kind of messages and motivations. But for myself I only vote for what I feel is right, rather than letting all the political party baggage and history cloud things. When it comes to Art, certainly politics doesn't come into the equation, many pieces in my collection would probably be viewed by you as being against what you feel are my political views, but in my mind it's Art that I love, rather than being some kind of protest. hope that makes scene great question, thanks for asking. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by agu on Apr 20, 2016 22:22:10 GMT 1, Silky, please don't take this the wrong way, it's a genuine question. I've often wondered what right leaning/Conservative people can possibly take from the majority of street art, especially the work of Banksy. After all, much of it is a direct attack/criticism of right wing policies or ideals. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter, and apologies if I've made the wrong presumption about your political allegiance.
I guess you have to consider that you get 1 vote every 4/5 years to cover many thousands of issues. Much of the street art scene is about human conscience and ethics. We all agree that poverty, racism, lack of social mobility/ educational opportunities/ recourse to law, heavy handed state control and surveillance etc. are wrong, hence much of the art makes sense. The question "how you deal with them?" determines you political colour. I would point out that the "wrong war" which inspired so many into action was indeed commenced under the watch of a labour leader. Quite frankly Tony Blair created enough stimulus to keep everyone going well into the next millennium.
Silky, please don't take this the wrong way, it's a genuine question. I've often wondered what right leaning/Conservative people can possibly take from the majority of street art, especially the work of Banksy. After all, much of it is a direct attack/criticism of right wing policies or ideals. I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter, and apologies if I've made the wrong presumption about your political allegiance. I guess you have to consider that you get 1 vote every 4/5 years to cover many thousands of issues. Much of the street art scene is about human conscience and ethics. We all agree that poverty, racism, lack of social mobility/ educational opportunities/ recourse to law, heavy handed state control and surveillance etc. are wrong, hence much of the art makes sense. The question "how you deal with them?" determines you political colour. I would point out that the "wrong war" which inspired so many into action was indeed commenced under the watch of a labour leader. Quite frankly Tony Blair created enough stimulus to keep everyone going well into the next millennium. |
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The UK's EU Referendum - 23rd June 2016., by Goooogle Male on Apr 20, 2016 22:58:38 GMT 1, [/quote]I guess you have to consider that you get 1 vote every 4/5 years to cover many thousands of issues. Much of the street art scene is about human conscience and ethics. We all agree that poverty, racism, lack of social mobility/ educational opportunities/ recourse to law, heavy handed state control and surveillance etc. are wrong, hence much of the art makes sense. The question "how you deal with them?" determines you political colour. I would point out that the "wrong war" which inspired so many into action was indeed commenced under the watch of a labour leader. Quite frankly Tony Blair created enough stimulus to keep everyone going well into the next millennium.
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A great observation, and articulately made.
[/quote]I guess you have to consider that you get 1 vote every 4/5 years to cover many thousands of issues. Much of the street art scene is about human conscience and ethics. We all agree that poverty, racism, lack of social mobility/ educational opportunities/ recourse to law, heavy handed state control and surveillance etc. are wrong, hence much of the art makes sense. The question "how you deal with them?" determines you political colour. I would point out that the "wrong war" which inspired so many into action was indeed commenced under the watch of a labour leader. Quite frankly Tony Blair created enough stimulus to keep everyone going well into the next millennium.
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A great observation, and articulately made.
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solution to what? 
would you prefer a bit of Trump?
