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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Coach on Nov 22, 2016 23:44:13 GMT 1, There are far more artists out there people, if you missed out, treat yourselves to an up and coming artist....... Remember you buy the picture/image not the signature 
Well said Cornish.
There are far more artists out there people, if you missed out, treat yourselves to an up and coming artist....... Remember you buy the picture/image not the signature Well said Cornish. |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Cornish Crayon on Nov 23, 2016 0:11:08 GMT 1, There are far more artists out there people, if you missed out, treat yourselves to an up and coming artist....... Remember you buy the picture/image not the signature Well, not necessarily true. How many people would buy an image without a signature? What is this, Roseberys Auction House? Personally, I buy it for the Image and Number. If I don't get the number 3, I don't buy it. That philosophy seems to work for my toddler...
Your right, some wouldn't buy without certain signatures, but some do, I do.........
And I happy knowing that I look at that piece for one reason only.
No worries
There are far more artists out there people, if you missed out, treat yourselves to an up and coming artist....... Remember you buy the picture/image not the signature Well, not necessarily true. How many people would buy an image without a signature? What is this, Roseberys Auction House? Personally, I buy it for the Image and Number. If I don't get the number 3, I don't buy it. That philosophy seems to work for my toddler... Your right, some wouldn't buy without certain signatures, but some do, I do......... And I happy knowing that I look at that piece for one reason only. No worries |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by meloveart66 on Nov 23, 2016 9:42:25 GMT 1, Here you go. I took screenshots of the inventory before the drop. If you thought it was impossibly hard to score one... well, it was. Prefab added for comparison. Honest collector here just wanting a fair shot, so when I see stuff like this, it turns me off.  free image upload
Thanks MW & GP for making people believe they had a fair change to get one of the 75 prints…just wasting their time. Where did the other prints go??
Here you go. I took screenshots of the inventory before the drop. If you thought it was impossibly hard to score one... well, it was. Prefab added for comparison. Honest collector here just wanting a fair shot, so when I see stuff like this, it turns me off. free image uploadSo where is Graffiti prints with the explanation of this inventory issue? Announcing a release of 75 prints while there are just 33/35 available is just lying!! Where did the other prints go? Are these maybe the ones available on e-bay? Who knows? Because of the proof showed here…the credibility of GP and even MW is at stake. It was announced before the release: NO PRESALES! Why not?? Now it gets clear…because there was no 75 prints available! Thanks MW & GP for making people believe they had a fair change to get one of the 75 prints…just wasting their time. Where did the other prints go?? |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Art Fan 2011 on Nov 23, 2016 10:12:41 GMT 1, Of course there were pre-sales! Expect some will of been kept back for various "charitable" ebay auctions over the coming months. Whatson has been quiet for a while, no doubt 2017 will bring plenty more release madness. GP should just build a bespoke site and then they can decide exactly how they wish the sales process to be handled and remain in total control.
Of course there were pre-sales! Expect some will of been kept back for various "charitable" ebay auctions over the coming months. Whatson has been quiet for a while, no doubt 2017 will bring plenty more release madness. GP should just build a bespoke site and then they can decide exactly how they wish the sales process to be handled and remain in total control.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Poster Bob on Nov 23, 2016 10:22:37 GMT 1, I know two people who bought a set on presale.
I know two people who bought a set on presale.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by met on Nov 23, 2016 10:28:05 GMT 1, Here you go. I took screenshots of the inventory before the drop. If you thought it was impossibly hard to score one... well, it was. Prefab added for comparison. Honest collector here just wanting a fair shot, so when I see stuff like this, it turns me off. free image upload
You failed the Stanford Marshmallow Experiment.
It's all about delayed gratification.
This could potentially have been more fun — if only you'd waited for a robust denial before publishing your evidence.
Here you go. I took screenshots of the inventory before the drop. If you thought it was impossibly hard to score one... well, it was. Prefab added for comparison. Honest collector here just wanting a fair shot, so when I see stuff like this, it turns me off. free image uploadYou failed the Stanford Marshmallow Experiment. It's all about delayed gratification. This could potentially have been more fun — if only you'd waited for a robust denial before publishing your evidence. |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by phly on Nov 23, 2016 16:32:35 GMT 1, I personally don't se the problem. Low edition, artist keeps a couple, gp keeps a couple, some to friends, galleries and VIPs.
No preorder means that it's no point for everyone to send a mail befour the release asking if it's possible to preorder one.
Stop whining!
Ps: I didn't get any.
I personally don't se the problem. Low edition, artist keeps a couple, gp keeps a couple, some to friends, galleries and VIPs.
No preorder means that it's no point for everyone to send a mail befour the release asking if it's possible to preorder one.
Stop whining!
Ps: I didn't get any.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by thomasmer on Nov 23, 2016 17:16:49 GMT 1, On the upside, GP is quiet.
On the upside, GP is quiet.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by d.r. perseus on Nov 23, 2016 17:21:14 GMT 1, Here you go. I took screenshots of the inventory before the drop. If you thought it was impossibly hard to score one... well, it was. Prefab added for comparison. Honest collector here just wanting a fair shot, so when I see stuff like this, it turns me off. free image uploadSo where is Graffiti prints with the explanation of this inventory issue? Announcing a release of 75 prints while there are just 33/35 available is just lying!! Where did the other prints go? Are these maybe the ones available on e-bay? Who knows? Because of the proof showed here…the credibility of GP and even MW is at stake. It was announced before the release: NO PRESALES! Why not?? Now it gets clear…because there was no 75 prints available! Thanks MW & GP for making people believe they had a fair change to get one of the 75 prints…just wasting their time. Where did the other prints go??
PosterBob has them all
Here you go. I took screenshots of the inventory before the drop. If you thought it was impossibly hard to score one... well, it was. Prefab added for comparison. Honest collector here just wanting a fair shot, so when I see stuff like this, it turns me off. free image uploadSo where is Graffiti prints with the explanation of this inventory issue? Announcing a release of 75 prints while there are just 33/35 available is just lying!! Where did the other prints go? Are these maybe the ones available on e-bay? Who knows? Because of the proof showed here…the credibility of GP and even MW is at stake. It was announced before the release: NO PRESALES! Why not?? Now it gets clear…because there was no 75 prints available! Thanks MW & GP for making people believe they had a fair change to get one of the 75 prints…just wasting their time. Where did the other prints go?? PosterBob has them all |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by kapusta on Nov 23, 2016 17:41:08 GMT 1, I guess there's nothing for them to add. This is probably standard practice in this scene. You can peek into the inventory count of most Shopify sites (though there's probably a way to hide this), so only now are we getting a glimpse behind the scenes. I've been pretty fortunate to score some in-demand Whatson's from GP before. I can only imagine how many of those were held back too.
Really wanted at least one Still Life from yesterday's drop. Not for the flip, but to keep. Hopefully some of the remaining copies surface at a fair price for the rest of us.
I guess there's nothing for them to add. This is probably standard practice in this scene. You can peek into the inventory count of most Shopify sites (though there's probably a way to hide this), so only now are we getting a glimpse behind the scenes. I've been pretty fortunate to score some in-demand Whatson's from GP before. I can only imagine how many of those were held back too.
Really wanted at least one Still Life from yesterday's drop. Not for the flip, but to keep. Hopefully some of the remaining copies surface at a fair price for the rest of us.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by winston on Nov 23, 2016 19:54:20 GMT 1, lol yeah! More likely some will turn up in a studio "clear out" at more than twice the original price!
lol yeah! More likely some will turn up in a studio "clear out" at more than twice the original price!
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by minimalistic on Nov 23, 2016 20:10:16 GMT 1, I guess there's nothing for them to add. This is probably standard practice in this scene. You can peek into the inventory count of most Shopify sites (though there's probably a way to hide this), so only now are we getting a glimpse behind the scenes. I've been pretty fortunate to score some in-demand Whatson's from GP before. I can only imagine how many of those were held back too. Really wanted at least one Still Life from yesterday's drop. Not for the flip, but to keep. Hopefully some of the remaining copies surface at a fair price for the rest of us.
You have a better chance of seeing Father Christmas than getting one of these at a fair price on the secondary market.
I guess there's nothing for them to add. This is probably standard practice in this scene. You can peek into the inventory count of most Shopify sites (though there's probably a way to hide this), so only now are we getting a glimpse behind the scenes. I've been pretty fortunate to score some in-demand Whatson's from GP before. I can only imagine how many of those were held back too. Really wanted at least one Still Life from yesterday's drop. Not for the flip, but to keep. Hopefully some of the remaining copies surface at a fair price for the rest of us. You have a better chance of seeing Father Christmas than getting one of these at a fair price on the secondary market. |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by nighthawk on Nov 23, 2016 20:46:01 GMT 1, Same whining every popular drop it seems, and as someone already pointed out, I'm sure it's a similar % of the run that was dropped, compared to their other releases. This was just a really small, and immensely popular release. That's it folks!
But coming on here and demanding GP to explain "what happened" is ridiculous.
Same whining every popular drop it seems, and as someone already pointed out, I'm sure it's a similar % of the run that was dropped, compared to their other releases. This was just a really small, and immensely popular release. That's it folks!
But coming on here and demanding GP to explain "what happened" is ridiculous.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by thomasmer on Nov 30, 2016 15:25:28 GMT 1, But coming on here and demanding GP to explain "what happened" is ridiculous.
But coming on here and demanding GP to explain "what happened" is ridiculous. Yeah because hes busy in Miami splashing all the cash on strippers and cocaine. |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by smokinfish on Dec 1, 2016 6:38:23 GMT 1, So does this mean my Whatson Still Life #1 of an edition of 10 is now worth more? 
So does this mean my Whatson Still Life #1 of an edition of 10 is now worth more? |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Winks on Dec 1, 2016 9:21:33 GMT 1, Agree with Nighthawk. It's no different to other gallery releases.
I recall one gallery offering different variants on offer and the most popular was sold out before drop day but not disclosed. So 0% available.
Be a shame if GP doesn't come on here because of these comments.
Today's Whatson is tomorrow's chip paper.
Kind of.
Agree with Nighthawk. It's no different to other gallery releases.
I recall one gallery offering different variants on offer and the most popular was sold out before drop day but not disclosed. So 0% available.
Be a shame if GP doesn't come on here because of these comments.
Today's Whatson is tomorrow's chip paper.
Kind of.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by ABC on Dec 1, 2016 10:35:36 GMT 1, Not to rub it in but I have just received mine and it looks pretty damn good.
I not going to try and defend anyone with my two pence worth but if you have been around the market for a while you will understand that this is normal procedure. A printer will always keep a number back for the artist /gallery and spares, the amount varies.Take Laz for example, how do you think he has so many prints? It's not because he is buying them back at today's rates. He has more than likely always had them. The last time my F5 finger saw this much action was in the last few online banksy sales (and I bet they were not all available)
Not to rub it in but I have just received mine and it looks pretty damn good.
I not going to try and defend anyone with my two pence worth but if you have been around the market for a while you will understand that this is normal procedure. A printer will always keep a number back for the artist /gallery and spares, the amount varies.Take Laz for example, how do you think he has so many prints? It's not because he is buying them back at today's rates. He has more than likely always had them. The last time my F5 finger saw this much action was in the last few online banksy sales (and I bet they were not all available)
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by duggyfresh on Dec 1, 2016 10:59:12 GMT 1, I think most people know the crack with galleries and how they operate. But the issue with most people on the release was the fact that GP said, no pre orders we are selling the whole edition on the drop.
I think most people know the crack with galleries and how they operate. But the issue with most people on the release was the fact that GP said, no pre orders we are selling the whole edition on the drop.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Poster Bob on Dec 1, 2016 11:05:45 GMT 1, Not to rub it in but I have just received mine and it looks pretty damn good. I not going to try and defend anyone with my two pence worth but if you have been around the market for a while you will understand that this is normal procedure. A printer will always keep a number back for the artist /gallery and spares, the amount varies.Take Laz for example, how do you think he has so many prints? It's not because he is buying them back at today's rates. He has more than likely always had them. The last time my F5 finger saw this much action was in the last few online banksy sales (and I bet they were not all available)
While I understand your point, there is a massive difference between holding a few back when stating that they all go online and holding back 66% of the run for pre-sales. I'm sure that the majority of Laz's prints are from his collection, hence their immaculate condition, but he does also buy prints.
Not to rub it in but I have just received mine and it looks pretty damn good. I not going to try and defend anyone with my two pence worth but if you have been around the market for a while you will understand that this is normal procedure. A printer will always keep a number back for the artist /gallery and spares, the amount varies.Take Laz for example, how do you think he has so many prints? It's not because he is buying them back at today's rates. He has more than likely always had them. The last time my F5 finger saw this much action was in the last few online banksy sales (and I bet they were not all available) While I understand your point, there is a massive difference between holding a few back when stating that they all go online and holding back 66% of the run for pre-sales. I'm sure that the majority of Laz's prints are from his collection, hence their immaculate condition, but he does also buy prints. |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Art Fan 2011 on Dec 1, 2016 11:13:18 GMT 1, I think most people know the crack with galleries and how they operate. But the issue with most people on the release was the fact that GP said, no pre orders we are selling the whole edition on the drop.
We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available!
I think most people know the crack with galleries and how they operate. But the issue with most people on the release was the fact that GP said, no pre orders we are selling the whole edition on the drop. I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available! |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Nick on Dec 1, 2016 11:20:13 GMT 1, We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works
We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works Still I wouldn't expect a gallery to hold them back to just sell to the highest bidder on ebay which seems to be happening at this very moment. Added to that there is some very questionable bidding going on. |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Poster Bob on Dec 1, 2016 11:22:51 GMT 1, I think most people know the crack with galleries and how they operate. But the issue with most people on the release was the fact that GP said, no pre orders we are selling the whole edition on the drop. I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available!
I think most people know the crack with galleries and how they operate. But the issue with most people on the release was the fact that GP said, no pre orders we are selling the whole edition on the drop. I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available! They put up 24 and 25 prints right? That's just 1/3 of the run that was for sale. |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Art Fan 2011 on Dec 1, 2016 11:26:14 GMT 1, We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works Still I wouldn't expect a gallery to hold them back to just sell to the highest bidder on ebay which seems to be happening at this very moment. Added to that there is some very questionable bidding going on.
We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works Still I wouldn't expect a gallery to hold them back to just sell to the highest bidder on ebay which seems to be happening at this very moment. Added to that there is some very questionable bidding going on. That`s what GP does though, nothing new and nothing changes! Always find it amazing how the items they put on ebay go for CRAZY money way over market value - Let`s not forget that the secondary prices of Mr Whatson are key to GP, he pays the mortgage at GP HQ id imagine so they have more than a vested interest in his prices...... They are free to do as they please, but I think we all agree some honesty is always nice (if that exist`s this day in age!) |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Nick on Dec 1, 2016 11:33:54 GMT 1, Still I wouldn't expect a gallery to hold them back to just sell to the highest bidder on ebay which seems to be happening at this very moment. Added to that there is some very questionable bidding going on. That`s what GP does though, nothing new and nothing changes! Always find it amazing how the items they put on ebay go for CRAZY money way over market value - Let`s not forget that the secondary prices of Mr Whatson are key to GP, he pays the mortgage at GP HQ id imagine so they have more than a vested interest in his prices...... They are free to do as they please, but I think we all agree some honesty is always nice (if that exist`s this day in age!)
Irrelevant really..and won't stop people wanting the next release, even if chances are slimmer. Business will go on as usual.
Still I wouldn't expect a gallery to hold them back to just sell to the highest bidder on ebay which seems to be happening at this very moment. Added to that there is some very questionable bidding going on. That`s what GP does though, nothing new and nothing changes! Always find it amazing how the items they put on ebay go for CRAZY money way over market value - Let`s not forget that the secondary prices of Mr Whatson are key to GP, he pays the mortgage at GP HQ id imagine so they have more than a vested interest in his prices...... They are free to do as they please, but I think we all agree some honesty is always nice (if that exist`s this day in age!) Free to do as they please yes, but shill bidding your own auctions under a gallery name doesn't scream of best practice. Irrelevant really..and won't stop people wanting the next release, even if chances are slimmer. Business will go on as usual. |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Dr Plip on Dec 1, 2016 11:43:14 GMT 1, I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available! They put up 24 and 25 prints right? That's just 1/3 of the run that was for sale. Print sells out in record time. Fans are upset they didn't manage to purchase such a popular print. Fans go to eBay to purchase the print that the weren't able to purchase from original source. Original source sells them one on eBay.
I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available! They put up 24 and 25 prints right? That's just 1/3 of the run that was for sale. Print sells out in record time. Fans are upset they didn't manage to purchase such a popular print. Fans go to eBay to purchase the print that the weren't able to purchase from original source. Original source sells them one on eBay.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Dr Plip on Dec 1, 2016 11:46:46 GMT 1, I think many of us suspect that galleries/print manufacturers engage in hype tactics, but it's a different matter when a gallery/retailer flatly says one thing and then is apparently caught lying.
I think many of us suspect that galleries/print manufacturers engage in hype tactics, but it's a different matter when a gallery/retailer flatly says one thing and then is apparently caught lying.
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Lroy on Dec 1, 2016 12:07:53 GMT 1, I think most people know the crack with galleries and how they operate. But the issue with most people on the release was the fact that GP said, no pre orders we are selling the whole edition on the drop. I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available!
yes well said. I can affirm too that I had the prior too for some " artworks " Just asking before .
I think that really there is in fact only 25 or 35 % really In sale st the drop. So you have no chance to get one, others have softwares ( same as trader in Wall Street etc ) , That make shortcuts to get the print quicker ... F5 is a lure...
I think most people know the crack with galleries and how they operate. But the issue with most people on the release was the fact that GP said, no pre orders we are selling the whole edition on the drop. I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available! yes well said. I can affirm too that I had the prior too for some " artworks " Just asking before . I think that really there is in fact only 25 or 35 % really In sale st the drop. So you have no chance to get one, others have softwares ( same as trader in Wall Street etc ) , That make shortcuts to get the print quicker ... F5 is a lure... |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by meloveart66 on Dec 1, 2016 12:10:59 GMT 1, So actually the galleries/artists themselves are part of the flipper industry they condemn so much? Always thought so. Haha… I remember GP with the Kunstrasen Spot Remover release was announcing proudly to block the orders from people selling on eBay…haha what a farce/joke. Just be honest…GP in this case is losing it's credibility more and more.
Luckily i missed out on this Whatson print and saved some funds, there are these days so many other lovely prints available
So actually the galleries/artists themselves are part of the flipper industry they condemn so much? Always thought so. Haha… I remember GP with the Kunstrasen Spot Remover release was announcing proudly to block the orders from people selling on eBay…haha what a farce/joke. Just be honest…GP in this case is losing it's credibility more and more. Luckily i missed out on this Whatson print and saved some funds, there are these days so many other lovely prints available |
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Martin Whatson • Still Life 2 Print, by Dr Plip on Dec 1, 2016 12:11:32 GMT 1, I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available! yes well said. I can affirm too that I had the prior too for some " artworks " Just asking before . I think that really there is in fact only 25 or 35 % really In sale st the drop. So you have no chance to get one, others have softwares ( same as trader in Wall Street etc ) , That make shortcuts to get the print quicker ... F5 is a lure... You know how they have the same software as the city traders? They ARE the city traders.
Those crazy art loving, coke sniffing, Porsche driving, hooker murdering, futures gambling, lovable maniacs.
I agree, the fact that they felt the need to state no pre-sales and gave the impression "most" of the prints would be up for grabs, gave us all a little hope. To then only put up for sale 2/3 or 1/2 of the run is a little disappointing. We all know pre-sales happen, and prints are help back for shows, fairs, charitable donations etc - thats just the way it works so just be honest about it, then the only thing we can all moan about is simply missing out on the few that were available! yes well said. I can affirm too that I had the prior too for some " artworks " Just asking before . I think that really there is in fact only 25 or 35 % really In sale st the drop. So you have no chance to get one, others have softwares ( same as trader in Wall Street etc ) , That make shortcuts to get the print quicker ... F5 is a lure... You know how they have the same software as the city traders? They ARE the city traders.
Those crazy art loving, coke sniffing, Porsche driving, hooker murdering, futures gambling, lovable maniacs.
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