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Dec 7, 2018 20:53:23 GMT 1
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Brexit, by gd79 on Dec 7, 2018 20:53:23 GMT 1, No shade of Brexit will get through parliament. There is no majority for anything.
If that leaves us with Corbyn, then the UK is the biggest short going.
No shade of Brexit will get through parliament. There is no majority for anything.
If that leaves us with Corbyn, then the UK is the biggest short going.
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gd79
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Dec 7, 2018 20:55:37 GMT 1
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Brexit, by gd79 on Dec 7, 2018 20:55:37 GMT 1, But we still don't know how well off / poor we will be after leaving the EU. I'm not dissing financial predictions. I am sure some are very well thought out but you are still left with the unknowns of, for example, what free trade deals with other countries will end up being like and how much they will influence GDP. There is no way you can predict what a free trade deal with, say, Australia will look like when there is no such thing in existence and not even basic preliminary principals have been agreed. I'm all for trusting experts but even experts can't predict total unknowns. A lot poorer. Here is some good work (and thatโs far from the most negative results e.g. BoE ones): ukandeu.ac.uk/new-research-shows-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-the-brexit-deal/And in terms of trade deals, what really matters itโs the deals with the EU since thatโs the biggest and (naturally) most relevant trading partner. From deals with other countries there is little to gain because 1) the UK is very unlikely to get much better deals than the EU itself (the bargaining power is a fraction of the EU one), 2) trade follows the gravity law (ie distance is the main force) hence doesnโt matter how good conditions the crazies dream one can get with eg Australia, itโs still will count for peanuts relative to the disaster of frictions in the trade with the EU.
The BoE disgraced themselves a bit with their crazy +5.75% rates forecast. There is more chance of negative rates than +5. Clouds the argument.
The crazies. Indeed. Who needs to sell services to the continent when we can import even more plastic crap from China?
But we still don't know how well off / poor we will be after leaving the EU. I'm not dissing financial predictions. I am sure some are very well thought out but you are still left with the unknowns of, for example, what free trade deals with other countries will end up being like and how much they will influence GDP. There is no way you can predict what a free trade deal with, say, Australia will look like when there is no such thing in existence and not even basic preliminary principals have been agreed. I'm all for trusting experts but even experts can't predict total unknowns. A lot poorer. Here is some good work (and thatโs far from the most negative results e.g. BoE ones): ukandeu.ac.uk/new-research-shows-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-the-brexit-deal/And in terms of trade deals, what really matters itโs the deals with the EU since thatโs the biggest and (naturally) most relevant trading partner. From deals with other countries there is little to gain because 1) the UK is very unlikely to get much better deals than the EU itself (the bargaining power is a fraction of the EU one), 2) trade follows the gravity law (ie distance is the main force) hence doesnโt matter how good conditions the crazies dream one can get with eg Australia, itโs still will count for peanuts relative to the disaster of frictions in the trade with the EU. The BoE disgraced themselves a bit with their crazy +5.75% rates forecast. There is more chance of negative rates than +5. Clouds the argument. The crazies. Indeed. Who needs to sell services to the continent when we can import even more plastic crap from China? |
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Dec 8, 2018 4:00:28 GMT 1
Brexit, by Daniel Silk on Dec 8, 2018 4:00:28 GMT 1, I think May was always given the job to take the shit and get the blame, nobody could go through being PM at this moment in time and come out looking like a hero. Iโm sure she knew full well what was going to happen, but maybe foolishly she thought it was possible to do it and go down in history as a great PM. Remember the last elections, did it seriously look like anyone wanted the job?
I think May was always given the job to take the shit and get the blame, nobody could go through being PM at this moment in time and come out looking like a hero. Iโm sure she knew full well what was going to happen, but maybe foolishly she thought it was possible to do it and go down in history as a great PM. Remember the last elections, did it seriously look like anyone wanted the job?
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Dec 8, 2018 11:40:18 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 11:40:18 GMT 1, No shade of Brexit will get through parliament. There is no majority for anything. If that leaves us with Corbyn, then the UK is the biggest short going.
If I was on the EU side I would be throwing my hands up in despair and telling the UK they will have to just crash out without a deal even though nobody wants it because there is no other way to do this.
No shade of Brexit will get through parliament. There is no majority for anything. If that leaves us with Corbyn, then the UK is the biggest short going. I agree. No deal is ever going to get through parliament. Whatever is proposed, there will always be more people voting 'against' than 'for'. I honestly don't see how this is going to get resolved. If I was on the EU side I would be throwing my hands up in despair and telling the UK they will have to just crash out without a deal even though nobody wants it because there is no other way to do this. |
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Dec 8, 2018 15:24:34 GMT 1
Brexit, by butterknife on Dec 8, 2018 15:24:34 GMT 1, Shorting the Euro now.
Shorting the Euro now.
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Dec 8, 2018 17:54:26 GMT 1
Brexit, by detail on Dec 8, 2018 17:54:26 GMT 1, You are shorting the Euro on a Saturday afternoon? Ok, if you say so, good luck with that.
You are shorting the Euro on a Saturday afternoon? Ok, if you say so, good luck with that. |
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Dec 10, 2018 9:49:40 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 9:49:40 GMT 1, So today, despite the government spending taxpayers money trying to prevent any ruling, an EU court advocate general has ruled that UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50. Why do you think the government have fought this? Why have they actively attempted to reduce all options available to the country? The papers are making this out to be a big thing but it isn't. Nobody is asking to revoke article 50; not Labour, not the SNP, not the DUP. Incidentally, the so-called EU court advocate general has not legal authority to do anything.
And now it's confirmed by the ECJ. Massive ruling.
So today, despite the government spending taxpayers money trying to prevent any ruling, an EU court advocate general has ruled that UK can unilaterally revoke Article 50. Why do you think the government have fought this? Why have they actively attempted to reduce all options available to the country? The papers are making this out to be a big thing but it isn't. Nobody is asking to revoke article 50; not Labour, not the SNP, not the DUP. Incidentally, the so-called EU court advocate general has not legal authority to do anything. And now it's confirmed by the ECJ. Massive ruling. |
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Dec 10, 2018 12:07:17 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 12:07:17 GMT 1, The papers are making this out to be a big thing but it isn't. Nobody is asking to revoke article 50; not Labour, not the SNP, not the DUP. Incidentally, the so-called EU court advocate general has not legal authority to do anything. And now it's confirmed by the ECJ. Massive ruling.
The papers are making this out to be a big thing but it isn't. Nobody is asking to revoke article 50; not Labour, not the SNP, not the DUP. Incidentally, the so-called EU court advocate general has not legal authority to do anything. And now it's confirmed by the ECJ. Massive ruling. I'm not sure it's 'massive', to be honest. Nobody is asking for it at the moment. Even Labour can't make up it's mind whether to endorse a second referendum or not; let alone whether to revoke article 50 if the vote goes in favour of Remain. I'm not a Labour supporter but I think they are being incredibly timid over all this, despite the fact that they continually shout at Theresa May in the House of Commons. They don't want to revoke article 50; they just want to get in to power. |
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Dec 10, 2018 12:15:06 GMT 1
Brexit, by Fake on Dec 10, 2018 12:15:06 GMT 1, And now it's confirmed by the ECJ. Massive ruling. I'm not sure it's 'massive', to be honest. Nobody is asking for it at the moment. Even Labour can't make up it's mind whether to endorse a second referendum or not; let alone whether to revoke article 50 if the vote goes in favour of Remain. I'm not a Labour supporter but I think they are being incredibly timid over all this, despite the fact that they continually shout at Theresa May in the House of Commons. They don't want to revoke article 50; they just want to get in to power.
And now it's confirmed by the ECJ. Massive ruling. I'm not sure it's 'massive', to be honest. Nobody is asking for it at the moment. Even Labour can't make up it's mind whether to endorse a second referendum or not; let alone whether to revoke article 50 if the vote goes in favour of Remain. I'm not a Labour supporter but I think they are being incredibly timid over all this, despite the fact that they continually shout at Theresa May in the House of Commons. They don't want to revoke article 50; they just want to get in to power. It looks massive from outside the UK. It gives parlement a 3rd option when parlement cant agree on deal or no deal, and give the vote back to the people. (this is pretty back and white I know) |
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Dec 10, 2018 13:14:47 GMT 1
Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 13:14:47 GMT 1, It looks massive from outside the UK. It gives parlement a 3rd option when parlement cant agree on deal or no deal, and give the vote back to the people. (this is pretty back and white I know)
What would any sensible person in her position do?
It looks massive from outside the UK. It gives parlement a 3rd option when parlement cant agree on deal or no deal, and give the vote back to the people. (this is pretty back and white I know) Exactly. It is a realistic option. No ambiguity, no arguing that it can't be done. There is no longer an argument that says we can't go back and that puts more pressure on the PM to make the right decision for the country. She's had all the info, all the impact assessments etc. It is now entirely her choice to proceed or to hand it back to the people. What would any sensible person in her position do? |
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Dec 10, 2018 16:46:46 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 16:46:46 GMT 1,
So, torn between running scared from a vote May was going to get hammered on and actually getting hammered on a vote, she's chosen to run away. What a great look.
That said, it looks as though she may be forced to have the vote anyway, although that in itself will require another vote. The absolute state of it all. We deserve so much better than this shower.
So, torn between running scared from a vote May was going to get hammered on and actually getting hammered on a vote, she's chosen to run away. What a great look. That said, it looks as though she may be forced to have the vote anyway, although that in itself will require another vote. The absolute state of it all. We deserve so much better than this shower. |
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Dec 10, 2018 17:00:02 GMT 1
Brexit, by k2 on Dec 10, 2018 17:00:02 GMT 1,
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Dec 10, 2018 17:19:50 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Dec 10, 2018 17:19:50 GMT 1, Why canโt you just leave?
Why canโt you just leave?
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Dec 10, 2018 17:37:16 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 17:37:16 GMT 1, Why canโt you just leave?
Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone.
Why canโt you just leave? Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone. |
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Dec 10, 2018 18:10:53 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Dec 10, 2018 18:10:53 GMT 1, Why canโt you just leave? Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone.
Why canโt you just leave? Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone. But this is what you voted for! |
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Dec 10, 2018 18:18:26 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 18:18:26 GMT 1, Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone. But this is what you voted for!
No it isn't. Nor is it what many, many Leavers voted for.
Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone. But this is what you voted for! No it isn't. Nor is it what many, many Leavers voted for. |
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Dec 10, 2018 18:19:34 GMT 1
Brexit, by Happy Shopper on Dec 10, 2018 18:19:34 GMT 1, Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone. But this is what you voted for!
By the same logic I might just stop paying my mortgage, because I voted to, and that's what I'm telling the bank.
Let's see how it works out for me!! 
Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone. But this is what you voted for! By the same logic I might just stop paying my mortgage, because I voted to, and that's what I'm telling the bank. Let's see how it works out for me!! |
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Dec 10, 2018 18:55:48 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Dec 10, 2018 18:55:48 GMT 1, But this is what you voted for! No it isn't. Nor is it what many, many Leavers voted for.
But this is what you voted for! No it isn't. Nor is it what many, many Leavers voted for. Why did you vote leave then? It was known what would happen. |
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Dec 10, 2018 19:33:50 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 19:33:50 GMT 1, That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge.
I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining?
That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge.
I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining?
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Dec 10, 2018 19:39:15 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Happy Shopper on Dec 10, 2018 19:39:15 GMT 1, That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining?
Boris Johnson's still promising them the moon on stick...
That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Boris Johnson's still promising them the moon on stick... |
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Dec 10, 2018 19:57:47 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Masong on Dec 10, 2018 19:57:47 GMT 1, That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining?
Yep itโs all complaining from the brexiters. Iโm just glad that there hasnโt been any complaining from the remainers. Could you just imagine had bad that would be.
That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Yep itโs all complaining from the brexiters. Iโm just glad that there hasnโt been any complaining from the remainers. Could you just imagine had bad that would be. |
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Dec 10, 2018 20:08:00 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 20:08:00 GMT 1, That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Boris Johnson's still promising them the moon on stick...
Ah, Johnson, the biggest arsehole of them all. One day he may even say something that's the truth?
Or is it Gove thats the bigger arsehole?
Or Davies?
Nope it's Mogg
It's one of them, but what one? I can never decide
Country first from these guys?
When Johnson becomes Prime Minister after the dust has settled and we are pretty fucked... oh i cant even be bothered
That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Boris Johnson's still promising them the moon on stick... Ah, Johnson, the biggest arsehole of them all. One day he may even say something that's the truth? Or is it Gove thats the bigger arsehole? Or Davies? Nope it's Mogg It's one of them, but what one? I can never decide Country first from these guys? When Johnson becomes Prime Minister after the dust has settled and we are pretty fucked... oh i cant even be bothered |
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Dec 10, 2018 20:15:34 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 20:15:34 GMT 1, Oh, and don't get me wrong, Labour leadership is currently no better.
Doomed, we are dooooomed
Oh, and don't get me wrong, Labour leadership is currently no better.
Doomed, we are dooooomed
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Dec 10, 2018 20:28:59 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Dec 10, 2018 20:28:59 GMT 1, Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone. But this is what you voted for!
Itโs what about a third of eligible voters voted for.
That said, if you are from one of the other European countries I can understand your frustration with us.
Because it would ruin the economy and cause legal chaos for just about everyone. But this is what you voted for! Itโs what about a third of eligible voters voted for. That said, if you are from one of the other European countries I can understand your frustration with us. |
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Dec 10, 2018 20:29:17 GMT 1
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Dec 10, 2018 20:42:52 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 20:42:52 GMT 1, No it isn't. Nor is it what many, many Leavers voted for. Why did you vote leave then? It was known what would happen.
No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation.
On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end.
No it isn't. Nor is it what many, many Leavers voted for. Why did you vote leave then? It was known what would happen. No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end. |
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Dec 10, 2018 20:48:35 GMT 1
Brexit, by wardance on Dec 10, 2018 20:48:35 GMT 1, A fine example of the pioneering, go-getting entrepreneurial British citizen over his shoulder I see. The future's safe in their hands. Worth looking at the website he's promoting.
A fine example of the pioneering, go-getting entrepreneurial British citizen over his shoulder I see. The future's safe in their hands. Worth looking at the website he's promoting. |
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Dec 10, 2018 20:52:25 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Dec 10, 2018 20:52:25 GMT 1, That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Yep itโs all complaining from the brexiters. Iโm just glad that there hasnโt been any complaining from the remainers. Could you just imagine had bad that would be.
The difference between leave and remain, is that leave have been complaining for +40 years, but failed in that time to come up with any viable alternative. The remain complaints kinda stem from being subjected to that level of ineptitude.
That's the trouble with Leavers. They thought it would be easy peasy...and now they're complaining that it isn't. And not only that, they are shifting all the blame on to Theresa May when the same outcome would arise whoever was in charge. I knew 2 years ago that it would be painful and difficult and the Brexiters wouldn't get all what they wanted. Why are they surprised? Why are they now complaining? Yep itโs all complaining from the brexiters. Iโm just glad that there hasnโt been any complaining from the remainers. Could you just imagine had bad that would be. The difference between leave and remain, is that leave have been complaining for +40 years, but failed in that time to come up with any viable alternative. The remain complaints kinda stem from being subjected to that level of ineptitude. |
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Dec 10, 2018 20:52:55 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 20:52:55 GMT 1, Why did you vote leave then? It was known what would happen. No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end.
I knew exactly what I was voting for
I asked my 4 Children what they thought I should do, they all said vote remain as thats what would give them the best opportunities in life
So I did, and it would have.
Why did you vote leave then? It was known what would happen. No one knew exactly what they were voting for at the time of the vote. Show me someone who says they did and I'll show you a liar. That's why we are where we are now, because it's all unraveling. It's proving to be too difficult to implement, without screwing the country up. Not that the Tories seem to be interested in the future of the nation. On a personal level, I voted Remain. My life has been enhanced by the UK being in the EU. If we leave, and I'm still doubtful we will, I hope to follow the advice of the very many learned Leavers who've asked me why, if I love the EU so much, don't I go and live there? Whilst me and the French Mrs love living up here in the lakes, I'd move to France in a heartbeat. The Mrs has a Gallic stubbornness and will resist being 'forced out' until the bitter end. I knew exactly what I was voting for I asked my 4 Children what they thought I should do, they all said vote remain as thats what would give them the best opportunities in life So I did, and it would have. |
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