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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 8, 2021 20:07:49 GMT 1, Some news inside U.K. for outside U.K.
And I can tell you that this it comes from a great and serious gentleman !
He resumes all the situation in few words !
Some news inside U.K. for outside U.K. And I can tell you that this it comes from a great and serious gentleman ! He resumes all the situation in few words ! |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by samo on Jan 8, 2021 20:17:42 GMT 1, It’s for both : Imagine , you are selling a Banksy to a UK folk , he will have to pay 20% of the final price ( hard to write gift on a tube for a Banksy : customs have scanner as when you take the Eurostar : they stopped me because a little statue in my bag when I went to Dismaland, they already recognize “ art “ and I have had to say that it was my own artwork ( it was before Brexit ). By plane or boat, there will have customs too if you want to bring it to the Uk buyer, or when he will come back in UK. 20 % of a Banksy ?!! Enormous ( that’s why I’m a big hesitating for my poster. Maybe easier to write gift as it’s not a big one ) Now Europe is tucked too as UK is like USA. Sometimes you have no chance ( anyway DHL , etc .. does not give you any chance as you will have to pay VAT ) , as myself, by a shipping made by USPS for an Obey print : no chance, customs felt on the tube ( well only 2 times for 10 shipping ) : they asked me 34 euros fur a or Ig that I have paid 44 $ or 60 .. can’t remember. Vat should not exist ! It’s injustice ! And European will be all tucked too when Banksy will sell soon the GDP items ! Soon to come, another one or this BBay thing, I do not ask. The 'new' Brexit deal was sold to us in Dec 2020 as a 'Tariff Free' deal by Bojo ..?! Now as you can probably tell I am no expert but has anyone got a link to exactly what this 'New' arrangement is for trading art between the UK and the EU? These articles talk about businesses though not private individuals:
It’s for both : Imagine , you are selling a Banksy to a UK folk , he will have to pay 20% of the final price ( hard to write gift on a tube for a Banksy : customs have scanner as when you take the Eurostar : they stopped me because a little statue in my bag when I went to Dismaland, they already recognize “ art “ and I have had to say that it was my own artwork ( it was before Brexit ). By plane or boat, there will have customs too if you want to bring it to the Uk buyer, or when he will come back in UK. 20 % of a Banksy ?!! Enormous ( that’s why I’m a big hesitating for my poster. Maybe easier to write gift as it’s not a big one ) Now Europe is tucked too as UK is like USA. Sometimes you have no chance ( anyway DHL , etc .. does not give you any chance as you will have to pay VAT ) , as myself, by a shipping made by USPS for an Obey print : no chance, customs felt on the tube ( well only 2 times for 10 shipping ) : they asked me 34 euros fur a or Ig that I have paid 44 $ or 60 .. can’t remember. Vat should not exist ! It’s injustice ! And European will be all tucked too when Banksy will sell soon the GDP items ! Soon to come, another one or this BBay thing, I do not ask. The 'new' Brexit deal was sold to us in Dec 2020 as a 'Tariff Free' deal by Bojo ..?! Now as you can probably tell I am no expert but has anyone got a link to exactly what this 'New' arrangement is for trading art between the UK and the EU? These articles talk about businesses though not private individuals:
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Javier on Jan 9, 2021 12:56:48 GMT 1, So if I buy a new pair of jeans in the UK from a UK store, I pay VAT on the price. If I then sell them to someone in the EU, I have to pay VAT again (plus possibly other charges like customs and admin/processing). What a rip off!
They shouldn’t charge you the first VAT. But... don’t they do it?
So if I buy a new pair of jeans in the UK from a UK store, I pay VAT on the price. If I then sell them to someone in the EU, I have to pay VAT again (plus possibly other charges like customs and admin/processing). What a rip off! They shouldn’t charge you the first VAT. But... don’t they do it? |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Dive Jedi on Jan 9, 2021 13:16:16 GMT 1, So if I buy a new pair of jeans in the UK from a UK store, I pay VAT on the price. If I then sell them to someone in the EU, I have to pay VAT again (plus possibly other charges like customs and admin/processing). What a rip off!
If you buy jeans in UK you pay VAT.
And if you sell it to someone outside UK the buyer will have to pay VAT.
And surely admin costs. You also pay VAT over the shipping costs.
But that's the nature of VAT.... if you resell a product you (presumably) add value.
That's why it called.......
So if I buy a new pair of jeans in the UK from a UK store, I pay VAT on the price. If I then sell them to someone in the EU, I have to pay VAT again (plus possibly other charges like customs and admin/processing). What a rip off! eeeh, no..... If you buy jeans in UK you pay VAT. And if you sell it to someone outside UK the buyer will have to pay VAT. And surely admin costs. You also pay VAT over the shipping costs. But that's the nature of VAT.... if you resell a product you (presumably) add value. That's why it called....... |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Javier on Jan 9, 2021 13:16:41 GMT 1, They shouldn’t charge you the first VAT. But... don’t they do it? Everything you buy in UK shops automatically has VAT included in the price. You can't not pay it.
They shouldn’t. It’s wrong. In an exportation you don’t pay vat at origin, you pay in the final country...
If they don’t adapt their websites so someone buying from EU doesn’t pay vat, British retail will suffer a lot
They shouldn’t charge you the first VAT. But... don’t they do it? Everything you buy in UK shops automatically has VAT included in the price. You can't not pay it. They shouldn’t. It’s wrong. In an exportation you don’t pay vat at origin, you pay in the final country... If they don’t adapt their websites so someone buying from EU doesn’t pay vat, British retail will suffer a lot |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jan 9, 2021 18:51:36 GMT 1, eeeh, no..... If you buy jeans in UK you pay VAT. And if you sell it to someone outside UK the buyer will have to pay VAT. And surely admin costs. You also pay VAT over the shipping costs. But that's the nature of VAT.... if you resell a product you (presumably) add value. That's why it called....... OK, if that is true the it still isn't fair. If, for example, I bought a new pair of jeans for £50 (including VAT) and then sold them to a friend in France for £50, they would have to pay VAT on the jeans after I had paid VAT on the jeans already. So VAT is being applied twice for the same item.
Plus you add custom fees on top of it too. Your friend in France will be refusing the gift at their front door and buying the jeans for cheaper in their own country instead.
eeeh, no..... If you buy jeans in UK you pay VAT. And if you sell it to someone outside UK the buyer will have to pay VAT. And surely admin costs. You also pay VAT over the shipping costs. But that's the nature of VAT.... if you resell a product you (presumably) add value. That's why it called....... OK, if that is true the it still isn't fair. If, for example, I bought a new pair of jeans for £50 (including VAT) and then sold them to a friend in France for £50, they would have to pay VAT on the jeans after I had paid VAT on the jeans already. So VAT is being applied twice for the same item. Plus you add custom fees on top of it too. Your friend in France will be refusing the gift at their front door and buying the jeans for cheaper in their own country instead. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Wanchope on Jan 10, 2021 12:24:16 GMT 1, Be careful what sites you buy on now. Some of the U.K sites have .ie but are based in the U.K Always check where they ship from in their terms and conditions. Anything €22 and over from the U.K to Ireland is taxed or has duty (shipping price is included for tax)Item cost €15 + €7 shipping = taxed Items €130 + €20 shipping = Duty UPS just hit me with €40 bill for a book marked as £20.
huh, wtaf!! So you have been charged 200% in taxation?? Is there more to it?
Be careful what sites you buy on now. Some of the U.K sites have .ie but are based in the U.K Always check where they ship from in their terms and conditions. Anything €22 and over from the U.K to Ireland is taxed or has duty (shipping price is included for tax)Item cost €15 + €7 shipping = taxed Items €130 + €20 shipping = Duty UPS just hit me with €40 bill for a book marked as £20. huh, wtaf!! So you have been charged 200% in taxation?? Is there more to it? |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 10, 2021 12:45:02 GMT 1, Be careful what sites you buy on now. Some of the U.K sites have .ie but are based in the U.K Always check where they ship from in their terms and conditions. Anything €22 and over from the U.K to Ireland is taxed or has duty (shipping price is included for tax)Item cost €15 + €7 shipping = taxed Items €130 + €20 shipping = Duty UPS just hit me with €40 bill for a book marked as £20.
😳 what a mess !!! How to deal again with Uk ?
And those( ⬆️ ) that find that cool as ( can’t remember the pseudo ), as if UK. will become a great nation, again, indépendant etc etc.. let me laugh ( not that’s not laughable ) , we still speak about, very soon !
We perfectly know that most UKIP or not, anyway far right Brexiters voted for that because of discrimination with some European countries,, racism and no migrants ( the contrary of #helprefugees and #banksy ‘s mind ! )..
It’s funny as we are on a Banksy forum and Banksy painted about that, and we all know that he is a nihilist, anarchist, rebel, etc ..
i would not buy any artworks from a far right artist, why to covet and buy Banksy so ?
Just for inversement ?
My god, I like this guy for what he has done, socially, for his criticism of our mercantile and political society, etc etc .., For his artworks too. So ironic and well thought !
Opening an hotel in Palestine, wow ! 👏 even Dali would applaud about that !
Be careful what sites you buy on now. Some of the U.K sites have .ie but are based in the U.K Always check where they ship from in their terms and conditions. Anything €22 and over from the U.K to Ireland is taxed or has duty (shipping price is included for tax)Item cost €15 + €7 shipping = taxed Items €130 + €20 shipping = Duty UPS just hit me with €40 bill for a book marked as £20. 😳 what a mess !!! How to deal again with Uk ? And those( ⬆️ ) that find that cool as ( can’t remember the pseudo ), as if UK. will become a great nation, again, indépendant etc etc.. let me laugh ( not that’s not laughable ) , we still speak about, very soon ! We perfectly know that most UKIP or not, anyway far right Brexiters voted for that because of discrimination with some European countries,, racism and no migrants ( the contrary of #helprefugees and #banksy ‘s mind ! ).. It’s funny as we are on a Banksy forum and Banksy painted about that, and we all know that he is a nihilist, anarchist, rebel, etc .. i would not buy any artworks from a far right artist, why to covet and buy Banksy so ? Just for inversement ? My god, I like this guy for what he has done, socially, for his criticism of our mercantile and political society, etc etc .., For his artworks too. So ironic and well thought ! Opening an hotel in Palestine, wow ! 👏 even Dali would applaud about that ! |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 10, 2021 12:48:26 GMT 1, Banksy hates people waving flags ( quote ) . So the lion roaring again !? In which century are we ?!
Banksy hates people waving flags ( quote ) . So the lion roaring again !? In which century are we ?!
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jan 10, 2021 12:53:22 GMT 1, UPS just hit me with €40 bill for a book marked as £20. huh, wtaf!! So you have been charged 200% in taxation?? Is there more to it?
Breakdown is €20 tax and €20 handling fee. 0 on VAT which is correct but the others shouldn’t have been the amount they charged. (Well the handling fee is a free for all.
Typically I can’t get through to them, but be prepared for surprise custom bills.
UPS just hit me with €40 bill for a book marked as £20. huh, wtaf!! So you have been charged 200% in taxation?? Is there more to it? Breakdown is €20 tax and €20 handling fee. 0 on VAT which is correct but the others shouldn’t have been the amount they charged. (Well the handling fee is a free for all. Typically I can’t get through to them, but be prepared for surprise custom bills. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Wanchope on Jan 10, 2021 12:58:34 GMT 1, Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition
Cheers
Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition
Cheers
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by irl1 on Jan 10, 2021 13:13:03 GMT 1, huh, wtaf!! So you have been charged 200% in taxation?? Is there more to it? Breakdown is €20 tax and €20 handling fee. 0 on VAT which is correct but the others shouldn’t have been the amount they charged. (Well the handling fee is a free for all. Typically I can’t get through to them, but be prepared for surprise custom bills.
UPS are a nightmare with fees. Some of their agents can't even give you a breakdown when you ring.
Try this Dublin number 01 5245446 best to ring between 9 am to 12.
Or if your in Dublin call into this address
M50 Business Park
Upper Ballymount Avenue
Ballymount
Dublin 12
huh, wtaf!! So you have been charged 200% in taxation?? Is there more to it? Breakdown is €20 tax and €20 handling fee. 0 on VAT which is correct but the others shouldn’t have been the amount they charged. (Well the handling fee is a free for all. Typically I can’t get through to them, but be prepared for surprise custom bills. UPS are a nightmare with fees. Some of their agents can't even give you a breakdown when you ring. Try this Dublin number 01 5245446 best to ring between 9 am to 12. Or if your in Dublin call into this address M50 Business Park Upper Ballymount Avenue Ballymount Dublin 12 |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Poster Bob on Jan 10, 2021 13:17:27 GMT 1, Sounds like third-party insurance. In the past I have paid people to take out a year-long subscription to third-party insurance in order to save money. Ask for proof of the policy and make sure that the item is covered if there is a discrepancy between the declared price and the price paid.
Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers
Sounds like third-party insurance. In the past I have paid people to take out a year-long subscription to third-party insurance in order to save money. Ask for proof of the policy and make sure that the item is covered if there is a discrepancy between the declared price and the price paid. Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Wanchope on Jan 10, 2021 13:20:31 GMT 1, Sounds like third-party insurance. In the past I have paid people to take out a year-long subscription to third-party insurance in order to save money. Ask for proof of the policy and make sure that the item is covered if there is a discrepancy between the declared price and the price paid. Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers
ok sounds like good advice and will do
Sounds like third-party insurance. In the past I have paid people to take out a year-long subscription to third-party insurance in order to save money. Ask for proof of the policy and make sure that the item is covered if there is a discrepancy between the declared price and the price paid. Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers ok sounds like good advice and will do |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Wanchope on Jan 10, 2021 13:40:34 GMT 1, Sounds like third-party insurance. In the past I have paid people to take out a year-long subscription to third-party insurance in order to save money. Ask for proof of the policy and make sure that the item is covered if there is a discrepancy between the declared price and the price paid. ok sounds like good advice and will do
also who do you think are good third party insurers for art and I will contact them? Cheers for your advice by the way
Sounds like third-party insurance. In the past I have paid people to take out a year-long subscription to third-party insurance in order to save money. Ask for proof of the policy and make sure that the item is covered if there is a discrepancy between the declared price and the price paid. ok sounds like good advice and will do also who do you think are good third party insurers for art and I will contact them? Cheers for your advice by the way |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Happy Shopper on Jan 10, 2021 16:06:26 GMT 1, Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers
You might be on dodgy ground if the declared value doesn’t match.
I recently got a letter from Parcel Force / Customs saying things didn’t match and I had to declare the true value (someone marking down something sent to me from US)
Assuming the amounts haven’t changed this year, then Duty should just be 5% on art (£250 on your £4000)
Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers You might be on dodgy ground if the declared value doesn’t match. I recently got a letter from Parcel Force / Customs saying things didn’t match and I had to declare the true value (someone marking down something sent to me from US) Assuming the amounts haven’t changed this year, then Duty should just be 5% on art (£250 on your £4000) |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Wanchope on Jan 10, 2021 16:29:39 GMT 1, Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers You might be on dodgy ground if the declared value doesn’t match. I recently got a letter from Parcel Force / Customs saying things didn’t match and I had to declare the true value (someone marking down something sent to me from US) Assuming the amounts haven’t changed this year, then Duty should just be 5% on art (£250 on your £4000)
ok and really appreciate your reply, looks like the auction is going nuts on the piece I wanted so prob not going to get it but will work in the basis of 5% from no on!
Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers You might be on dodgy ground if the declared value doesn’t match. I recently got a letter from Parcel Force / Customs saying things didn’t match and I had to declare the true value (someone marking down something sent to me from US) Assuming the amounts haven’t changed this year, then Duty should just be 5% on art (£250 on your £4000) ok and really appreciate your reply, looks like the auction is going nuts on the piece I wanted so prob not going to get it but will work in the basis of 5% from no on! |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 10, 2021 16:47:04 GMT 1, Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers
I have done that for a seller in Australia ( if my memory is good ) and quite big deal. Customs have no views in insurance.
Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers I have done that for a seller in Australia ( if my memory is good ) and quite big deal. Customs have no views in insurance. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 10, 2021 16:52:12 GMT 1, Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers You might be on dodgy ground if the declared value doesn’t match. I recently got a letter from Parcel Force / Customs saying things didn’t match and I had to declare the true value (someone marking down something sent to me from US) Assuming the amounts haven’t changed this year, then Duty should just be 5% on art (£250 on your £4000)
It depends if the service I guess ? Some as La poste , national ones , are regardless ..
UPS DHL etc are maybe more right.
I will put “gift” anyway for simple letters no ? As for France to USA and some of the USA has done for me ( gift or low value )
Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers You might be on dodgy ground if the declared value doesn’t match. I recently got a letter from Parcel Force / Customs saying things didn’t match and I had to declare the true value (someone marking down something sent to me from US) Assuming the amounts haven’t changed this year, then Duty should just be 5% on art (£250 on your £4000) It depends if the service I guess ? Some as La poste , national ones , are regardless .. UPS DHL etc are maybe more right. I will put “gift” anyway for simple letters no ? As for France to USA and some of the USA has done for me ( gift or low value ) |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 10, 2021 19:33:16 GMT 1, It depends if the service I guess ? Some as La poste , national ones , are regardless .. UPS DHL etc are maybe more right. I will put “gift” anyway for simple letters no ? As for France to USA and some of the USA has done for me ( gift or low value ) On high value items, putting "gift" doesn't make any difference. The buyer will still have to pay VAT and possibly custom charges as well. Putting gift/cadeau only helps if it is a very low value item. I think it is below £15.
Why does it work for USA ?!
Anyway it’s not below 15 £ ?
And I will know it soon as I’m expecting a package from London of a signed artwork : you bet that I won’t pay any VAT?
Gift is gift, just have to put a value of 10 quid, on the C23 international form.
Same as USA.
Maybe I’m wring but why it should be different ?!
Just sent an art book for an Ebayer of Beijing China ( never deal with this one swindler ). He asked me to put it as gift on the form. He did not had problems and did not pat taxes !
Are you working at customs or on a vat Offce ?
( it’s not irony )
It depends if the service I guess ? Some as La poste , national ones , are regardless .. UPS DHL etc are maybe more right. I will put “gift” anyway for simple letters no ? As for France to USA and some of the USA has done for me ( gift or low value ) On high value items, putting "gift" doesn't make any difference. The buyer will still have to pay VAT and possibly custom charges as well. Putting gift/cadeau only helps if it is a very low value item. I think it is below £15. Why does it work for USA ?! Anyway it’s not below 15 £ ? And I will know it soon as I’m expecting a package from London of a signed artwork : you bet that I won’t pay any VAT? Gift is gift, just have to put a value of 10 quid, on the C23 international form. Same as USA. Maybe I’m wring but why it should be different ?! Just sent an art book for an Ebayer of Beijing China ( never deal with this one swindler ). He asked me to put it as gift on the form. He did not had problems and did not pat taxes ! Are you working at customs or on a vat Offce ? ( it’s not irony ) |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Happy Shopper on Jan 10, 2021 19:46:09 GMT 1, On high value items, putting "gift" doesn't make any difference. The buyer will still have to pay VAT and possibly custom charges as well. Putting gift/cadeau only helps if it is a very low value item. I think it is below £15. Why does it work for USA ?! Anyway it’s not below 15 £ ? And I will know it soon as I’m expecting a package from London of a signed artwork : you bet that I won’t pay any VAT? Gift is gift, just have to put a value of 10 quid, on the C23 international form. Same as USA. Maybe I’m wring but why it should be different ?! Just sent an art book for an Ebayer of Beijing China ( never deal with this one swindler ). He asked me to put it as gift on the form. He did not had problems and did not pat taxes ! Are you working at customs or on a vat Offce ? ( it’s not irony )
I don’t think they have import duty on things to US, or at least they seem to hardly ever get charged!
Maybe China is the same.
But definitely in Europe it doesn’t matter if you say it’s a gift, import duty still applies.
On high value items, putting "gift" doesn't make any difference. The buyer will still have to pay VAT and possibly custom charges as well. Putting gift/cadeau only helps if it is a very low value item. I think it is below £15. Why does it work for USA ?! Anyway it’s not below 15 £ ? And I will know it soon as I’m expecting a package from London of a signed artwork : you bet that I won’t pay any VAT? Gift is gift, just have to put a value of 10 quid, on the C23 international form. Same as USA. Maybe I’m wring but why it should be different ?! Just sent an art book for an Ebayer of Beijing China ( never deal with this one swindler ). He asked me to put it as gift on the form. He did not had problems and did not pat taxes ! Are you working at customs or on a vat Offce ? ( it’s not irony ) I don’t think they have import duty on things to US, or at least they seem to hardly ever get charged! Maybe China is the same. But definitely in Europe it doesn’t matter if you say it’s a gift, import duty still applies. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 10, 2021 19:54:24 GMT 1, Why does it work for USA ?! Anyway it’s not below 15 £ ? And I will know it soon as I’m expecting a package from London of a signed artwork : you bet that I won’t pay any VAT? Gift is gift, just have to put a value of 10 quid, on the C23 international form. Same as USA. Maybe I’m wring but why it should be different ?! Just sent an art book for an Ebayer of Beijing China ( never deal with this one swindler ). He asked me to put it as gift on the form. He did not had problems and did not pat taxes ! Are you working at customs or on a vat Offce ? ( it’s not irony ) I don’t think they have import duty on things to US, or at least they seem to hardly ever get charged! Maybe China is the same. But definitely in Europe it doesn’t matter if you say it’s a gift, import duty still applies. To resume, each gift ( you have a gran 'ma intheother side of the channel ) will be taxed ?! It's not possible, a git is a gift.
Are you sure ? And how to know a price or import duty on a used or second hand item ? I read that it was the same than for USA, that's all..
We need a lawyer on here please ?  Why does it work for USA ?! Anyway it’s not below 15 £ ? And I will know it soon as I’m expecting a package from London of a signed artwork : you bet that I won’t pay any VAT? Gift is gift, just have to put a value of 10 quid, on the C23 international form. Same as USA. Maybe I’m wring but why it should be different ?! Just sent an art book for an Ebayer of Beijing China ( never deal with this one swindler ). He asked me to put it as gift on the form. He did not had problems and did not pat taxes ! Are you working at customs or on a vat Offce ? ( it’s not irony ) I don’t think they have import duty on things to US, or at least they seem to hardly ever get charged! Maybe China is the same. But definitely in Europe it doesn’t matter if you say it’s a gift, import duty still applies. To resume, each gift ( you have a gran 'ma intheother side of the channel ) will be taxed ?! It's not possible, a git is a gift.
Are you sure ? And how to know a price or import duty on a used or second hand item ? I read that it was the same than for USA, that's all..
We need a lawyer on here please ? |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 10, 2021 20:52:05 GMT 1, And If I ship it to Ireland and then the Irish mate is shipping it to uk, it sounds good innit ?
anyway a gif is a gift, my mom always said that.
And If I ship it to Ireland and then the Irish mate is shipping it to uk, it sounds good innit ?
anyway a gif is a gift, my mom always said that.
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Guy Denning on Jan 10, 2021 21:59:37 GMT 1, Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers I have done that for a seller in Australia ( if my memory is good ) and quite big deal. Customs have no views in insurance.
This is why I won't be shipping work to the UK unless it's all tied down in contractual paperwork between myself and the buyer regarding responsibilities for insurance, possible delays and storage in god knows what atmospheres and humidities... and any other charges...
It's one big bag of shite.
I certainly won't be doing the online sales of cheap work to the UK for the forseable because as it stands at the moment HMRC expect me to register with them as an overseas business collecting VAT on their behalf. They can fuck the fuckity fuck fuck right off.
Ok so here is a conundrum, I am looking at buying a secondary market via ebay for piece from France for a value of maybe £4000. I’ve just said to the seller so disappointed I can’t make a bid as the imports are just going to be too high. He has said he has looked into it for a while and he would mark it at a very low value like 20 euros which would solve the problem but then it would be insured for the real value of say £4000. Does this work because surely if he is stating the insurance value at 4K how can he mark down the value at 20 euros?? Anyone with knowledge on this as it’s a lot of money to spend but a particular piece I’ve been after and in mint condition Cheers I have done that for a seller in Australia ( if my memory is good ) and quite big deal. Customs have no views in insurance. Hmm... I remember sending artwork by tracked, insured post internationally by La Poste (the French postie) to Malta. When it finally arrived it looked like it had been eaten with a bag of nails by a serious masticator. Where it went from and to was recorded. Where the damage happened wasn't. Malta said 'Not us guv'nor.' France said 'Not us matey...' So I had to make the work again for the buyer. Not their fault obviously. So i wouldn't do anything that potentially added to the chance of the postal service insurance service saying 'Non.' Also, from France now, posters have to fill out a white customs declaration form, as well as filling out the 'non EU recipient' parts of the post office paperwork. And it's not an EU destination either - so that's an additional charge. If you want a 4K piece of work to get to you I'd ask for it to be sent by an alternative to the postal service. Especially if you want it insured and that insurance to be worth something. And yes - you will get hit by the 20% import duty. This is why I won't be shipping work to the UK unless it's all tied down in contractual paperwork between myself and the buyer regarding responsibilities for insurance, possible delays and storage in god knows what atmospheres and humidities... and any other charges... It's one big bag of shite. I certainly won't be doing the online sales of cheap work to the UK for the forseable because as it stands at the moment HMRC expect me to register with them as an overseas business collecting VAT on their behalf. They can fuck the fuckity fuck fuck right off. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Jan 11, 2021 11:41:58 GMT 1, Hi 🙋♀️ Guy Denning
' Also, from France now, posters have to fill out a white customs declaration form, as well as filling out the 'non EU recipient' parts of the post office paperwork «
Where can we find this white custom declaration form ?
In the post office ? It’s the usual CN23 no ? ( in 3 sheets )
Or it’s in + of the « non eu recipient form » ?
Anyway it’s the same as USA no ?
Also what about trading or exchange ( I received a too small tee, I have to paid for an exchange with a UK guy per example ? )
Just received the Phlegm book : it was sent from USA to Germany then to me, with only a custom declaration : « movie poster 25 $ «
Hi 🙋♀️ Guy Denning' Also, from France now, posters have to fill out a white customs declaration form, as well as filling out the 'non EU recipient' parts of the post office paperwork « Where can we find this white custom declaration form ? In the post office ? It’s the usual CN23 no ? ( in 3 sheets ) Or it’s in + of the « non eu recipient form » ? Anyway it’s the same as USA no ? Also what about trading or exchange ( I received a too small tee, I have to paid for an exchange with a UK guy per example ? ) Just received the Phlegm book : it was sent from USA to Germany then to me, with only a custom declaration : « movie poster 25 $ « |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by charles bukowski on Jan 11, 2021 11:46:26 GMT 1, Hi 🙋♀️ Guy Denning ' Also, from France now, posters have to fill out a white customs declaration form, as well as filling out the 'non EU recipient' parts of the post office paperwork « Where can we find this white custom declaration form ? In the post office ? It’s the usual CN23 no ? ( in 3 sheets ) Or it’s in + of the « non eu recipient form » ? Anyway it’s the same as USA no ? Also what about trading or exchange ( I received a too small tee, I have to paid for an exchange with a UK guy per example ? ) Just received the Phlegm book : it was sent from USA to Germany then to me, with only a custom declaration : « movie poster 25 $ « I sent a package to the usa last week, no more customs paper to fill in all this done by internet, then he gives you a code, to give to your postman
Hi 🙋♀️ Guy Denning ' Also, from France now, posters have to fill out a white customs declaration form, as well as filling out the 'non EU recipient' parts of the post office paperwork « Where can we find this white custom declaration form ? In the post office ? It’s the usual CN23 no ? ( in 3 sheets ) Or it’s in + of the « non eu recipient form » ? Anyway it’s the same as USA no ? Also what about trading or exchange ( I received a too small tee, I have to paid for an exchange with a UK guy per example ? ) Just received the Phlegm book : it was sent from USA to Germany then to me, with only a custom declaration : « movie poster 25 $ « I sent a package to the usa last week, no more customs paper to fill in all this done by internet, then he gives you a code, to give to your postman |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Schrödinger's Chat on Jan 20, 2021 20:42:58 GMT 1, Some nice releases from Buffmonster this Friday but Brexshit rains on the UK parade
"Shipping Changes
Because of Brexit, there are new shipping rules, but if you’re in the UK, you probably already know that. These new rules take time to review and implement, and as a small business owner, I have just not had the time to deal with this. I very much appreciate my collectors in the UK, but for now, if you have a delivery address in the UK, you won’t be able to place an order."
Some nice releases from Buffmonster this Friday but Brexshit rains on the UK parade
"Shipping Changes
Because of Brexit, there are new shipping rules, but if you’re in the UK, you probably already know that. These new rules take time to review and implement, and as a small business owner, I have just not had the time to deal with this. I very much appreciate my collectors in the UK, but for now, if you have a delivery address in the UK, you won’t be able to place an order."
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Jan 21, 2021 12:18:24 GMT 1,
I used it last week and haven’t bought anything since. Lol.
I used it last week and haven’t bought anything since. Lol. |
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