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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Bruno Art 99 on Jan 21, 2021 12:28:05 GMT 1, Great checker tool ,just to expensive to buy art from out side the UK.
Great checker tool ,just to expensive to buy art from out side the UK.
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by FЯ on Jan 21, 2021 12:41:18 GMT 1, Great checker tool ,just to expensive to buy art from out side the UK.
maybe not EU til recently, but still got to pay your dues.
if your paying 20% then its wrong
Great checker tool ,just to expensive to buy art from out side the UK. its always been 5% though and still is - no? maybe not EU til recently, but still got to pay your dues. if your paying 20% then its wrong |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by brycepen on Jan 21, 2021 13:27:36 GMT 1,
Not fucking surprised at all
Not fucking surprised at all |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 18:34:31 GMT 1, Great checker tool ,just to expensive to buy art from out side the UK. its always been 5% though and still is - no? maybe not EU til recently, but still got to pay your dues. if your paying 20% then its wrong
Fedex of course stick a £12 admin on top.
So for 400 euro piece the charge was £31.33.
Pain in the arse but I wouldn't say it makes it too expensive to buy art from outside the UK
Great checker tool ,just to expensive to buy art from out side the UK. its always been 5% though and still is - no? maybe not EU til recently, but still got to pay your dues. if your paying 20% then its wrong I've just been charge 5% by Fedex on a delivery from France. Fedex of course stick a £12 admin on top. So for 400 euro piece the charge was £31.33. Pain in the arse but I wouldn't say it makes it too expensive to buy art from outside the UK |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by chrispa on Jan 26, 2021 18:44:26 GMT 1, its always been 5% though and still is - no? maybe not EU til recently, but still got to pay your dues. if your paying 20% then its wrong I've just been charge 5% by Fedex on a delivery from France. Fedex of course stick a £12 admin on top. So for 400 euro piece the charge was £31.33. Pain in the arse but I wouldn't say it makes it too expensive to buy art from outside the UK
its always been 5% though and still is - no? maybe not EU til recently, but still got to pay your dues. if your paying 20% then its wrong I've just been charge 5% by Fedex on a delivery from France. Fedex of course stick a £12 admin on top. So for 400 euro piece the charge was £31.33. Pain in the arse but I wouldn't say it makes it too expensive to buy art from outside the UK If the seller in France was a gallery they should not have charged you VAT..which should have saved you around 80 euros |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Deleted on Jan 26, 2021 18:59:22 GMT 1, I've just been charge 5% by Fedex on a delivery from France. Fedex of course stick a £12 admin on top. So for 400 euro piece the charge was £31.33. Pain in the arse but I wouldn't say it makes it too expensive to buy art from outside the UK If the seller in France was a gallery they should not have charged you VAT..which should have saved you around 80 euros
I've just been charge 5% by Fedex on a delivery from France. Fedex of course stick a £12 admin on top. So for 400 euro piece the charge was £31.33. Pain in the arse but I wouldn't say it makes it too expensive to buy art from outside the UK If the seller in France was a gallery they should not have charged you VAT..which should have saved you around 80 euros Agreed - this was straight from the artist though |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Wanchope on Jan 26, 2021 23:25:49 GMT 1, FYI if it helps I recently bought a one off sculpture from Austria to the UK for £860 and got clobbered with £187 tax bill to pay to release it to me. It was DHL and worked out to be 21%. Prob my fault for not realising that a one off piece and sculpture attracts a full 20% ! We live and learn !
FYI if it helps I recently bought a one off sculpture from Austria to the UK for £860 and got clobbered with £187 tax bill to pay to release it to me. It was DHL and worked out to be 21%. Prob my fault for not realising that a one off piece and sculpture attracts a full 20% ! We live and learn !
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Odie on Jan 27, 2021 0:24:29 GMT 1, FYI if it helps I recently bought a one off sculpture from Austria to the UK for £860 and got clobbered with £187 tax bill to pay to release it to me. It was DHL and worked out to be 21%. Prob my fault for not realising that a one off piece and sculpture attracts a full 20% ! We live and learn !
May be worth querying
VAT rate of 5 per cent. Sub-sections 5 to 6D contain definitions of the goods that qualify to be taxed on a reduced value at importation, giving an effective VAT rate of 5 per cent.
www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/imports/imps05200
FYI if it helps I recently bought a one off sculpture from Austria to the UK for £860 and got clobbered with £187 tax bill to pay to release it to me. It was DHL and worked out to be 21%. Prob my fault for not realising that a one off piece and sculpture attracts a full 20% ! We live and learn ! May be worth querying VAT rate of 5 per cent. Sub-sections 5 to 6D contain definitions of the goods that qualify to be taxed on a reduced value at importation, giving an effective VAT rate of 5 per cent. www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/imports/imps05200 |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Wanchope on Jan 27, 2021 0:49:08 GMT 1, FYI if it helps I recently bought a one off sculpture from Austria to the UK for £860 and got clobbered with £187 tax bill to pay to release it to me. It was DHL and worked out to be 21%. Prob my fault for not realising that a one off piece and sculpture attracts a full 20% ! We live and learn ! May be worth querying VAT rate of 5 per cent. Sub-sections 5 to 6D contain definitions of the goods that qualify to be taxed on a reduced value at importation, giving an effective VAT rate of 5 per cent. www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/imports/imps05200
yeah that’s worth checking out for sure, cheers for the advice!
FYI if it helps I recently bought a one off sculpture from Austria to the UK for £860 and got clobbered with £187 tax bill to pay to release it to me. It was DHL and worked out to be 21%. Prob my fault for not realising that a one off piece and sculpture attracts a full 20% ! We live and learn ! May be worth querying VAT rate of 5 per cent. Sub-sections 5 to 6D contain definitions of the goods that qualify to be taxed on a reduced value at importation, giving an effective VAT rate of 5 per cent. www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/imports/imps05200 yeah that’s worth checking out for sure, cheers for the advice! |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Wanchope on Jan 27, 2021 8:25:04 GMT 1, FYI if it helps I recently bought a one off sculpture from Austria to the UK for £860 and got clobbered with £187 tax bill to pay to release it to me. It was DHL and worked out to be 21%. Prob my fault for not realising that a one off piece and sculpture attracts a full 20% ! We live and learn ! May be worth querying VAT rate of 5 per cent. Sub-sections 5 to 6D contain definitions of the goods that qualify to be taxed on a reduced value at importation, giving an effective VAT rate of 5 per cent. www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/imports/imps05200
yeah that’s worth checking out for sure, cheers for the advice!
FYI if it helps I recently bought a one off sculpture from Austria to the UK for £860 and got clobbered with £187 tax bill to pay to release it to me. It was DHL and worked out to be 21%. Prob my fault for not realising that a one off piece and sculpture attracts a full 20% ! We live and learn ! May be worth querying VAT rate of 5 per cent. Sub-sections 5 to 6D contain definitions of the goods that qualify to be taxed on a reduced value at importation, giving an effective VAT rate of 5 per cent. www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/imports/imps05200 yeah that’s worth checking out for sure, cheers for the advice! |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by samo on Mar 24, 2021 21:26:10 GMT 1, I wanted to buy something at the Whistleblower Gallery and I'm based in the EU.
Payment
Whistleblower Gallery accepts all major credit and debit cards and secure payments are possible via Paypal in UK £ Sterling (GBP) with VAT of 20% included in the purchase price.
So all their sale prices are including 20% UK VAT and the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers. Since I'm an EU citizen, I shouldn't pay for the 20% UK VAT and the VAT is therefore charged and due in the country of import plus any additional fees. Is this correct?
I wanted to buy something at the Whistleblower Gallery and I'm based in the EU.
Payment
Whistleblower Gallery accepts all major credit and debit cards and secure payments are possible via Paypal in UK £ Sterling (GBP) with VAT of 20% included in the purchase price.
So all their sale prices are including 20% UK VAT and the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers. Since I'm an EU citizen, I shouldn't pay for the 20% UK VAT and the VAT is therefore charged and due in the country of import plus any additional fees. Is this correct?
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Ildefonso 77 on Mar 26, 2021 2:32:39 GMT 1, ive given up using DHl. There is no way making them see your point despite the valid paperwork.
I shipped a sorayama from Japan and got taxed around 30%. What is messed up is they even taxed
The shipping fee!
ive given up using DHl. There is no way making them see your point despite the valid paperwork.
I shipped a sorayama from Japan and got taxed around 30%. What is messed up is they even taxed
The shipping fee!
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 9:29:37 GMT 1, ive given up using DHl. There is no way making them see your point despite the valid paperwork. I shipped a sorayama from Japan and got taxed around 30%. What is messed up is they even taxed The shipping fee!
ive given up using DHl. There is no way making them see your point despite the valid paperwork. I shipped a sorayama from Japan and got taxed around 30%. What is messed up is they even taxed The shipping fee! The shipping fee is always included in the taxable amount. It makes no sense, but it's the rule. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Ildefonso 77 on Mar 26, 2021 9:46:14 GMT 1, ive given up using DHl. There is no way making them see your point despite the valid paperwork. I shipped a sorayama from Japan and got taxed around 30%. What is messed up is they even taxed The shipping fee! The shipping fee is always included in the taxable amount. It makes no sense, but it's the rule.
and you know how these galleries charge for freight. paid like like 350$ for the sexy robot 
ive given up using DHl. There is no way making them see your point despite the valid paperwork. I shipped a sorayama from Japan and got taxed around 30%. What is messed up is they even taxed The shipping fee! The shipping fee is always included in the taxable amount. It makes no sense, but it's the rule. and you know how these galleries charge for freight. paid like like 350$ for the sexy robot |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by ecudat on Mar 26, 2021 10:16:03 GMT 1, I'm totally confused by the VAT stuff tbh.
I bought a (gyclee) print from the US through ebay, which does all the customs charges etc upfront as part o their international shipping arrangements stuff. Based on the amount paid, the VAT was charged at 20%. Does that mean I should contact ebay?
I'm totally confused by the VAT stuff tbh.
I bought a (gyclee) print from the US through ebay, which does all the customs charges etc upfront as part o their international shipping arrangements stuff. Based on the amount paid, the VAT was charged at 20%. Does that mean I should contact ebay?
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by ajr on Mar 26, 2021 10:28:31 GMT 1, I'm totally confused by the VAT stuff tbh. I bought a (gyclee) print from the US through ebay, which does all the customs charges etc upfront as part o their international shipping arrangements stuff. Based on the amount paid, the VAT was charged at 20%. Does that mean I should contact ebay?
Only if you buy privately on ebay (i.e not part of the global shipping program), you will then be responsible for VAT and customs, but can make any claims to HMRC for refunds etc.
I'm totally confused by the VAT stuff tbh. I bought a (gyclee) print from the US through ebay, which does all the customs charges etc upfront as part o their international shipping arrangements stuff. Based on the amount paid, the VAT was charged at 20%. Does that mean I should contact ebay? Unfortunately nothing you can do if buying via Ebay global shipping program. You basically sign away any rights by accepting their terms. You cannot recover any VAT etc What you see is what you pay. They will slap 20% flat charge on everything and then their agents will handle customs and can claim any refunds. You are not entitled to anything. Only if you buy privately on ebay (i.e not part of the global shipping program), you will then be responsible for VAT and customs, but can make any claims to HMRC for refunds etc. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Poster Bob on Mar 26, 2021 12:54:05 GMT 1, I'm surprised to hear that people are having problems with DHL. I've always found that they and Fed Ex were quick to adjust tax bills appropriately with a single email. TNT (owned by Fed Ex) however, were a nightmare and insisted that a tax-free book and an art print (5% tax) combined constituted a collectable, taxed at a higher rate. After three months of back and forth emails they sent a final notice saying that if I didn't pay the bill at the tax rate they applied that my account would no longer be in good standing. So I paid.
I'm surprised to hear that people are having problems with DHL. I've always found that they and Fed Ex were quick to adjust tax bills appropriately with a single email. TNT (owned by Fed Ex) however, were a nightmare and insisted that a tax-free book and an art print (5% tax) combined constituted a collectable, taxed at a higher rate. After three months of back and forth emails they sent a final notice saying that if I didn't pay the bill at the tax rate they applied that my account would no longer be in good standing. So I paid.
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Mar 26, 2021 16:47:56 GMT 1, DHL ?!?!
Just received that for 4 miserable postcards of Mason Storm ( I don’t understand Stowe gallery that did not answered me when I asked him about vat, that took more than one month to send me these postcards ( is Mason Banksy so ? 30 £ was the price and I paid already 15/25 for shipping ?!! ) , so I don’t understand why Stowe used DHL to send 4 postcards, DHL that is not quicker and that sent me this incredible bill ?!!! Some galeries play it correct with sale and shipping and in the other side.. nothing ! They could warned us !
Anyway should I pay or not ? DHL has the right to ask me this money ? And if I refuse to pay, the package will go back to
Stowe (who are charging to pay fees of return ? ) , does Stowe will automatically refund me ? Thank you for your answer
DHL ?!?! Just received that for 4 miserable postcards of Mason Storm ( I don’t understand Stowe gallery that did not answered me when I asked him about vat, that took more than one month to send me these postcards ( is Mason Banksy so ? 30 £ was the price and I paid already 15/25 for shipping ?!! ) , so I don’t understand why Stowe used DHL to send 4 postcards, DHL that is not quicker and that sent me this incredible bill ?!!! Some galeries play it correct with sale and shipping and in the other side.. nothing ! They could warned us ! Anyway should I pay or not ? DHL has the right to ask me this money ? And if I refuse to pay, the package will go back to Stowe (who are charging to pay fees of return ? ) , does Stowe will automatically refund me ? Thank you for your answer |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by charles bukowski on Mar 26, 2021 16:53:51 GMT 1, DHL ?!?! Just received that for 4 miserable postcards of Mason Storm ( I don’t understand Stowe gallery that did not answered me when I asked him about vat, that took more than one month to send me these postcards ( is Mason Banksy so ? 30 £ was the price and I paid already 15/25 for shipping ?!! ) , so I don’t understand why Stowe used DHL to send 4 postcards, DHL that is not quicker and that sent me this incredible bill ?!!! Some galeries play it correct with sale and shipping and in the other side.. nothing ! They could warned us ! Anyway should I pay or not ? DHL has the right to ask me this money ? And if I refuse to pay, the package will go back to Stowe (who are charging to pay fees of return ? ) , does Stowe will automatically refund me ? Thank you for your answer I too had a message from DHL I have not yet been to see how much I owe them for my Mason Storms, me too for 4 prints and I too am from France;) 50 € piss off
DHL ?!?! Just received that for 4 miserable postcards of Mason Storm ( I don’t understand Stowe gallery that did not answered me when I asked him about vat, that took more than one month to send me these postcards ( is Mason Banksy so ? 30 £ was the price and I paid already 15/25 for shipping ?!! ) , so I don’t understand why Stowe used DHL to send 4 postcards, DHL that is not quicker and that sent me this incredible bill ?!!! Some galeries play it correct with sale and shipping and in the other side.. nothing ! They could warned us ! Anyway should I pay or not ? DHL has the right to ask me this money ? And if I refuse to pay, the package will go back to Stowe (who are charging to pay fees of return ? ) , does Stowe will automatically refund me ? Thank you for your answer I too had a message from DHL I have not yet been to see how much I owe them for my Mason Storms, me too for 4 prints and I too am from France;) 50 € piss off |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Lroy on Mar 26, 2021 17:13:59 GMT 1, DHL ?!?! Just received that for 4 miserable postcards of Mason Storm ( I don’t understand Stowe gallery that did not answered me when I asked him about vat, that took more than one month to send me these postcards ( is Mason Banksy so ? 30 £ was the price and I paid already 15/25 for shipping ?!! ) , so I don’t understand why Stowe used DHL to send 4 postcards, DHL that is not quicker and that sent me this incredible bill ?!!! Some galeries play it correct with sale and shipping and in the other side.. nothing ! They could warned us ! Anyway should I pay or not ? DHL has the right to ask me this money ? And if I refuse to pay, the package will go back to Stowe (who are charging to pay fees of return ? ) , does Stowe will automatically refund me ? Thank you for your answer I too had a message from DHL I have not yet been to see how much I owe them for my Mason Storms, me too for 4 prints and I too am from France;) 50 € piss off
Jasmine from Stowe , told me that he will refund us if we refuse to pay DHL but not the shipping. Shipping was only 15 that’s it ?
DHL ?!?! Just received that for 4 miserable postcards of Mason Storm ( I don’t understand Stowe gallery that did not answered me when I asked him about vat, that took more than one month to send me these postcards ( is Mason Banksy so ? 30 £ was the price and I paid already 15/25 for shipping ?!! ) , so I don’t understand why Stowe used DHL to send 4 postcards, DHL that is not quicker and that sent me this incredible bill ?!!! Some galeries play it correct with sale and shipping and in the other side.. nothing ! They could warned us ! Anyway should I pay or not ? DHL has the right to ask me this money ? And if I refuse to pay, the package will go back to Stowe (who are charging to pay fees of return ? ) , does Stowe will automatically refund me ? Thank you for your answer I too had a message from DHL I have not yet been to see how much I owe them for my Mason Storms, me too for 4 prints and I too am from France;) 50 € piss off Jasmine from Stowe , told me that he will refund us if we refuse to pay DHL but not the shipping. Shipping was only 15 that’s it ? |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by ecudat on Mar 29, 2021 10:45:33 GMT 1, I'm totally confused by the VAT stuff tbh. I bought a (gyclee) print from the US through ebay, which does all the customs charges etc upfront as part o their international shipping arrangements stuff. Based on the amount paid, the VAT was charged at 20%. Does that mean I should contact ebay? Unfortunately nothing you can do if buying via Ebay global shipping program. You basically sign away any rights by accepting their terms. You cannot recover any VAT etc What you see is what you pay. They will slap 20% flat charge on everything and then their agents will handle customs and can claim any refunds. You are not entitled to anything. Only if you buy privately on ebay (i.e not part of the global shipping program), you will then be responsible for VAT and customs, but can make any claims to HMRC for refunds etc. Thanks a lot for this. I'm learning as I go and will try to avoid the same mistake in future! Missing out on the original drop of the print was more painful tbf!
I'm totally confused by the VAT stuff tbh. I bought a (gyclee) print from the US through ebay, which does all the customs charges etc upfront as part o their international shipping arrangements stuff. Based on the amount paid, the VAT was charged at 20%. Does that mean I should contact ebay? Unfortunately nothing you can do if buying via Ebay global shipping program. You basically sign away any rights by accepting their terms. You cannot recover any VAT etc What you see is what you pay. They will slap 20% flat charge on everything and then their agents will handle customs and can claim any refunds. You are not entitled to anything. Only if you buy privately on ebay (i.e not part of the global shipping program), you will then be responsible for VAT and customs, but can make any claims to HMRC for refunds etc. Thanks a lot for this. I'm learning as I go and will try to avoid the same mistake in future! Missing out on the original drop of the print was more painful tbf! |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by korovev on Apr 8, 2021 22:51:50 GMT 1, I wanted to buy something at the Whistleblower Gallery and I'm based in the EU.
Payment
Whistleblower Gallery accepts all major credit and debit cards and secure payments are possible via Paypal in UK £ Sterling (GBP) with VAT of 20% included in the purchase price.
So all their sale prices are including 20% UK VAT and the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers. Since I'm an EU citizen, I shouldn't pay for the 20% UK VAT and the VAT is therefore charged and due in the country of import plus any additional fees. Is this correct?
You say "the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers". Are you sure? Have you asked them? My understanding is that a UK company will now deduct VAT (-20%) for EU customers and then you will pay VAT when it enters your own country. I would e-mail them and check, if I was you.
Let's say the item was 100 GBP. I asked if that price included the 20% vat, and it did.
So I assumed - and actually asked if, for me, being Italy based, the price would have been 80 GBP.
But they told me that the price was still 100 GBP and "any customs charges will be up to 20% of that price".
Then they corrected to "22%" because in Italy VAT is at 22%, but that's not the point of course: the point is that if this is true (they confessed they wasn't sure of what will happen once the item arrives at the border) , I will be paying the VAT two times. Shouldn't they "cut" the price to 80GBP?
What am I missing here? (a lot I guess)
I wanted to buy something at the Whistleblower Gallery and I'm based in the EU.
Payment
Whistleblower Gallery accepts all major credit and debit cards and secure payments are possible via Paypal in UK £ Sterling (GBP) with VAT of 20% included in the purchase price.
So all their sale prices are including 20% UK VAT and the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers. Since I'm an EU citizen, I shouldn't pay for the 20% UK VAT and the VAT is therefore charged and due in the country of import plus any additional fees. Is this correct?
You say "the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers". Are you sure? Have you asked them? My understanding is that a UK company will now deduct VAT (-20%) for EU customers and then you will pay VAT when it enters your own country. I would e-mail them and check, if I was you. Today I talked with a different gallery in the UK about the "brexit side effects" on an item I'd like to buy from them. Let's say the item was 100 GBP. I asked if that price included the 20% vat, and it did. So I assumed - and actually asked if, for me, being Italy based, the price would have been 80 GBP. But they told me that the price was still 100 GBP and " any customs charges will be up to 20% of that price".
Then they corrected to "22%" because in Italy VAT is at 22%, but that's not the point of course: the point is that if this is true (they confessed they wasn't sure of what will happen once the item arrives at the border) , I will be paying the VAT two times. Shouldn't they "cut" the price to 80GBP? What am I missing here? (a lot I guess) |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Balboa on Apr 9, 2021 10:46:32 GMT 1, You say "the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers". Are you sure? Have you asked them? My understanding is that a UK company will now deduct VAT (-20%) for EU customers and then you will pay VAT when it enters your own country. I would e-mail them and check, if I was you. Today I talked with a different gallery in the UK about the "brexit side effects" on an item I'd like to buy from them. Let's say the item was 100 GBP. I asked if that price included the 20% vat, and it did. So I assumed - and actually asked if, for me, being Italy based, the price would have been 80 GBP. But they told me that the price was still 100 GBP and " any customs charges will be up to 20% of that price".
Then they corrected to "22%" because in Italy VAT is at 22%, but that's not the point of course: the point is that if this is true (they confessed they wasn't sure of what will happen once the item arrives at the border) , I will be paying the VAT two times. Shouldn't they "cut" the price to 80GBP? What am I missing here? (a lot I guess)
Well, firstly you are missing the fact that 20 is 20% of 100, not 20% from 100 
You should be charged £83.33 by the gallery (plus whatever they add for freight) and IT customs should charge you at whatever VAT rate is established for importing art on the £83.33 plus shipping.
You say "the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers". Are you sure? Have you asked them? My understanding is that a UK company will now deduct VAT (-20%) for EU customers and then you will pay VAT when it enters your own country. I would e-mail them and check, if I was you. Today I talked with a different gallery in the UK about the "brexit side effects" on an item I'd like to buy from them. Let's say the item was 100 GBP. I asked if that price included the 20% vat, and it did. So I assumed - and actually asked if, for me, being Italy based, the price would have been 80 GBP. But they told me that the price was still 100 GBP and " any customs charges will be up to 20% of that price".
Then they corrected to "22%" because in Italy VAT is at 22%, but that's not the point of course: the point is that if this is true (they confessed they wasn't sure of what will happen once the item arrives at the border) , I will be paying the VAT two times. Shouldn't they "cut" the price to 80GBP? What am I missing here? (a lot I guess) Well, firstly you are missing the fact that 20 is 20% of 100, not 20% from 100 You should be charged £83.33 by the gallery (plus whatever they add for freight) and IT customs should charge you at whatever VAT rate is established for importing art on the £83.33 plus shipping. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by artzzzy on Apr 9, 2021 10:55:47 GMT 1, You say "the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers". Are you sure? Have you asked them? My understanding is that a UK company will now deduct VAT (-20%) for EU customers and then you will pay VAT when it enters your own country. I would e-mail them and check, if I was you. Today I talked with a different gallery in the UK about the "brexit side effects" on an item I'd like to buy from them. Let's say the item was 100 GBP. I asked if that price included the 20% vat, and it did. So I assumed - and actually asked if, for me, being Italy based, the price would have been 80 GBP. But they told me that the price was still 100 GBP and " any customs charges will be up to 20% of that price".
Then they corrected to "22%" because in Italy VAT is at 22%, but that's not the point of course: the point is that if this is true (they confessed they wasn't sure of what will happen once the item arrives at the border) , I will be paying the VAT two times. Shouldn't they "cut" the price to 80GBP? What am I missing here? (a lot I guess)
It should not be like this at all!
I’m based in Italy and been buying from UK galleries before and after Brexit.
Actually I’ve just finalized a deal for a piece that will be shipped from London.
The gallery deducted the UK VAT completely.
I will pay taxes for the artwork during custom clearance when it enters Italy.
Same process at this point as when you buy from the US.
You say "the VAT doesn't get deducted at checkout for EU customers". Are you sure? Have you asked them? My understanding is that a UK company will now deduct VAT (-20%) for EU customers and then you will pay VAT when it enters your own country. I would e-mail them and check, if I was you. Today I talked with a different gallery in the UK about the "brexit side effects" on an item I'd like to buy from them. Let's say the item was 100 GBP. I asked if that price included the 20% vat, and it did. So I assumed - and actually asked if, for me, being Italy based, the price would have been 80 GBP. But they told me that the price was still 100 GBP and " any customs charges will be up to 20% of that price".
Then they corrected to "22%" because in Italy VAT is at 22%, but that's not the point of course: the point is that if this is true (they confessed they wasn't sure of what will happen once the item arrives at the border) , I will be paying the VAT two times. Shouldn't they "cut" the price to 80GBP? What am I missing here? (a lot I guess) It should not be like this at all! I’m based in Italy and been buying from UK galleries before and after Brexit. Actually I’ve just finalized a deal for a piece that will be shipped from London. The gallery deducted the UK VAT completely. I will pay taxes for the artwork during custom clearance when it enters Italy. Same process at this point as when you buy from the US. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Reader on Apr 9, 2021 11:29:41 GMT 1, Today I talked with a different gallery in the UK about the "brexit side effects" on an item I'd like to buy from them. Let's say the item was 100 GBP. I asked if that price included the 20% vat, and it did. So I assumed - and actually asked if, for me, being Italy based, the price would have been 80 GBP. But they told me that the price was still 100 GBP and " any customs charges will be up to 20% of that price".
Then they corrected to "22%" because in Italy VAT is at 22%, but that's not the point of course: the point is that if this is true (they confessed they wasn't sure of what will happen once the item arrives at the border) , I will be paying the VAT two times. Shouldn't they "cut" the price to 80GBP? What am I missing here? (a lot I guess) It should not be like this at all! I’m based in Italy and been buying from UK galleries before and after Brexit. Actually I’ve just finalized a deal for a piece that will be shipped from London. The gallery deducted the UK VAT completely. I will pay taxes for the artwork during custom clearance when it enters Italy. Same process at this point as when you buy from the US.
Today I talked with a different gallery in the UK about the "brexit side effects" on an item I'd like to buy from them. Let's say the item was 100 GBP. I asked if that price included the 20% vat, and it did. So I assumed - and actually asked if, for me, being Italy based, the price would have been 80 GBP. But they told me that the price was still 100 GBP and " any customs charges will be up to 20% of that price".
Then they corrected to "22%" because in Italy VAT is at 22%, but that's not the point of course: the point is that if this is true (they confessed they wasn't sure of what will happen once the item arrives at the border) , I will be paying the VAT two times. Shouldn't they "cut" the price to 80GBP? What am I missing here? (a lot I guess) It should not be like this at all! I’m based in Italy and been buying from UK galleries before and after Brexit. Actually I’ve just finalized a deal for a piece that will be shipped from London. The gallery deducted the UK VAT completely. I will pay taxes for the artwork during custom clearance when it enters Italy. Same process at this point as when you buy from the US. Yep, this has been my experience, though I imagine some of the smaller less professional set ups just charge everyone the same flat rate. |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by artzzzy on Apr 9, 2021 12:12:24 GMT 1, It should not be like this at all! I’m based in Italy and been buying from UK galleries before and after Brexit. Actually I’ve just finalized a deal for a piece that will be shipped from London. The gallery deducted the UK VAT completely. I will pay taxes for the artwork during custom clearance when it enters Italy. Same process at this point as when you buy from the US. Yep, this has been my experience, though I imagine some of the smaller less professional set ups just charge everyone the same flat rate.
Yeah, many small businesses just have a standardized checkout for everybody..
In this case I usually email them and explain that they should deduct the VAT
90% of the time they do it, especially if I mention that otherwise I’m not buying
It should not be like this at all! I’m based in Italy and been buying from UK galleries before and after Brexit. Actually I’ve just finalized a deal for a piece that will be shipped from London. The gallery deducted the UK VAT completely. I will pay taxes for the artwork during custom clearance when it enters Italy. Same process at this point as when you buy from the US. Yep, this has been my experience, though I imagine some of the smaller less professional set ups just charge everyone the same flat rate. Yeah, many small businesses just have a standardized checkout for everybody.. In this case I usually email them and explain that they should deduct the VAT 90% of the time they do it, especially if I mention that otherwise I’m not buying |
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by mrizzle on Aug 4, 2021 14:06:00 GMT 1, I wonder if someone might be able to advise, is the correct code for original works of art (in this case a painting) 9701100000? I’ve bought a piece that will be shipped (from Portugal to the U.K.) in October and just trying to ensure that the correct code is on the final invoice and corresponding paperwork ahead of when it gets shipped. Thanks in advance!!
I wonder if someone might be able to advise, is the correct code for original works of art (in this case a painting) 9701100000? I’ve bought a piece that will be shipped (from Portugal to the U.K.) in October and just trying to ensure that the correct code is on the final invoice and corresponding paperwork ahead of when it gets shipped. Thanks in advance!!
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by Georgie Poppit on Aug 4, 2021 17:36:53 GMT 1, I had a correct code that FedEx ignored and charged me 20%. Emailed them 3 months ago and no reply.
I had a correct code that FedEx ignored and charged me 20%. Emailed them 3 months ago and no reply.
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BREXIT and Double VAT, by mrizzle on Aug 4, 2021 17:46:00 GMT 1, I had a correct code that FedEx ignored and charged me 20%. Emailed them 3 months ago and no reply.
FedEx are useless and I’ve had my own issues with them recently. I did, however, manage to resolve both incidences but one of those took months and they made a litany of errors in the process. My advice would be to phone them rather than email them. I found them unresponsive to email but had more success phoning. Be prepared for a lengthy wait time though!! Good luck.
I had a correct code that FedEx ignored and charged me 20%. Emailed them 3 months ago and no reply. FedEx are useless and I’ve had my own issues with them recently. I did, however, manage to resolve both incidences but one of those took months and they made a litany of errors in the process. My advice would be to phone them rather than email them. I found them unresponsive to email but had more success phoning. Be prepared for a lengthy wait time though!! Good luck. |
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