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CONFIRMED NOT GENUINE Cut and run pin badge , by met on Aug 15, 2023 5:25:20 GMT 1, This is an official response from the Oxfam Glasgow shop. The good news is that they will destroy any badges they still have and not all 50 were sold. The bad news is that some were sold and therefore people were scammed and it means that some might end up being resold. For this reason, the thread should not be deleted so there is a record that these are not official merchandise.
My understanding from the shop manager is that just 9 pins were sold yesterday (Monday 14 August) by Oxfam Bookshop Royal Exchange Square in Glasgow.
And 3 of those were sold to Oxfam's own volunteers, meaning only 6 pins went to the general public.
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That said, for bespoke or custom-made enamel pins purchased from platforms like Etsy, there tends to be a minimum order of 100 (the total cost for such a quantity being about £150).
And so, after the present kerfuffle — or is it a brouhaha? — has died down a bit, what will happen next is anybody's guess.
For all we know, Postal Pirate's brother, niece and nephew might make a return visit to the Banksy exhibition.
It is also possible that, by pure coincidence, the stewards will (a) for a second time tragically run out of Polaroid instant film, and (b) offer the despondent niece and nephew handfuls more of these pins as consolation.
My hunch is that, having already established a clear precedent, the brother will remain true to his grabby form, by commandeering all the pins from his own children.
However, since he still isn't au fait with eBay, the brother may once again be forced to ask Postal Pirate to list the pins on his behalf. On their mother's eBay account, of course.
This is an official response from the Oxfam Glasgow shop. The good news is that they will destroy any badges they still have and not all 50 were sold. The bad news is that some were sold and therefore people were scammed and it means that some might end up being resold. For this reason, the thread should not be deleted so there is a record that these are not official merchandise. My understanding from the shop manager is that just 9 pins were sold yesterday (Monday 14 August) by Oxfam Bookshop Royal Exchange Square in Glas gow. And 3 of those were sold to Oxfam's own volunteers, meaning only 6 pins went to the general public. __________ That said, for bespoke or custom-made enamel pins purchased from platforms like Et sy, there tends to be a minimum order of 100 (the total cost for such a quantity being about £150). And so, after the present kerfuffle — or is it a brouhaha? — has died down a bit, what will happen next is anybody's guess. For all we know, Postal Pirate's brother, niece and nephew might make a return visit to the Ban ksy exhibition. It is also possible that, by pure coincidence, the stewards will (a) for a second time tragically run out of Polaroid instant film, and (b) offer the despondent niece and nephew handfuls more of these pins as consolation. My hunch is that, having already established a clear precedent, the brother will remain true to his grabby form, by commandeering all the pins from his own children. However, since he still isn't au fait with eB ay, the brother may once again be forced to ask Postal Pirate to list the pins on his behalf. On their mother's eB ay account, of course.
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Banksy's on eBay • Real or Fake?, by met on Aug 15, 2023 1:22:19 GMT 1, Hello I know that it is impossible to verify if this genuine or not, however are people able to give an opinion as to any tell tale signs? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145127019783?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=D79ez8eRT36&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rRacYc7aSYC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Thanks in advance
Question:
If members here (in other words, strangers on the internet) responded by saying the eBay street sign looked genuine and seemed like a bargain, what would you actually do with that information?
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Since joining this forum in December 2020, your five posts thus far have been about three purported Banksy items: two street signs and a print.
Each of these was fake. More to the point, they were all obvious fakes.
[Though my suspicions have since diminished, for a short while (especially with the requests for "telltale signs") I even thought you could be a fraudster yourself — one who was looking for tutorial tips on how to create more convincing fakes.]
What this tells me is that you should neither consider nor go anywhere near a purported Banksy priced above the low three figures, unless it is also accompanied by a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control Office.
Because you seem to have traits of the ideal mark:
- relative ignorance/inexperience; - naivety; - keenness to find a bargain; and - a possible proneness to self-delusion, based on "pie in the sky" wishful thinking.
That to me sounds like expensive purchase mistakes just waiting to happen.
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My advice is to exercise an abundance of caution if ever tempted to buy Banksy items. This would include:
(i) taking your time to complete your due diligence, resisting pressures to decide or act quickly;
(ii) remaining calm, thinking things fully through, and keeping all of your options in perspective;
(iii) treating those who offer you bargains with the wariness you'd feel towards a leper; and
(iv) once again, sticking with pieces that come with a COA (as well as verifying any COA with Pest Control Office before arranging a transfer of funds).
Good luck to you.
Hello I know that it is impossible to verify if this genuine or not, however are people able to give an opinion as to any tell tale signs? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/145127019783?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=D79ez8eRT36&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rRacYc7aSYC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY Thanks in advance Question:If members here (in other words, strangers on the internet) responded by saying the eB ay street sign looked genuine and seemed like a bargain, what would you actually do with that information? __________ Since joining this fo rum in December 2020, your five posts thus far have been about three purported Ban ksy items: two street signs and a print. Each of these was fake. More to the point, they were all obvious fakes. [Though my suspicions have since diminished, for a short while (especially with the requests for "telltale signs") I even thought you could be a fraudster yourself — one who was looking for tutorial tips on how to create more convincing fakes.]What this tells me is that you should neither consider nor go anywhere near a purported Ban ksy priced above the low three figures, unless it is also accompanied by a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control Office. Because you seem to have traits of the ideal mark: - relative ignorance/inexperience; - naivety; - keenness to find a bargain; and - a possible proneness to self-delusion, based on "pie in the sky" wishful thinking. That to me sounds like expensive purchase mistakes just waiting to happen. __________ My advice is to exercise an abundance of caution if ever tempted to buy Ban ksy items. This would include: (i) taking your time to complete your due diligence, resisting pressures to decide or act quickly; (ii) remaining calm, thinking things fully through, and keeping all of your options in perspective; (iii) treating those who offer you bargains with the wariness you'd feel towards a leper; and (iv) once again, sticking with pieces that come with a COA (as well as verifying any COA with Pest Control Office before arranging a transfer of funds). Good luck to you.
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CONFIRMED NOT GENUINE Cut and run pin badge , by met on Aug 14, 2023 16:47:11 GMT 1, I’m really sorry to post this, but I can’t keep this information just for me. In fact I was hoping a positive answer of the authenticity..
Oxfam Bookshop Royal Exchange Square is now aware it was misled/duped.
A very pleasant staff member from Oxfam went over to GoMA in the last hour or so, and received confirmation that the pins are knockoffs, i.e. unofficial and unauthorised.
It seems the "donation" to Oxfam was just a cynical effort to give the pins a veneer of legitimacy — presumably so that a scammer in our midst (apparently using two separate forum accounts) could try to claim he wasn't actually a scammer.
I’m really sorry to post this, but I can’t keep this information just for me. In fact I was hoping a positive answer of the authenticity.. Oxfam Bookshop Royal Exchange Square is now aware it was misled/duped. A very pleasant staff member from Oxfam went over to GoMA in the last hour or so, and received confirmation that the pins are knockoffs, i.e. unofficial and unauthorised. It seems the "donation" to Oxfam was just a cynical effort to give the pins a veneer of legitimacy — presumably so that a scammer in our midst (apparently using two separate for um accounts) could try to claim he wasn't actually a scammer.
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CONFIRMED NOT GENUINE Cut and run pin badge , by met on Aug 13, 2023 0:05:53 GMT 1, I was not at the exhibition Wasn’t able to attend I attended on opening day and plan to attend on final day My brother was given these at the exhibition yesterday I’ve deleted my post in the discord you mention as I’m sure you’re aware I’m quite public in there and with it now linking to eBay’s & other sites I feel slightly wary of what I’ve posted if I’d posted in the discord saying I’ve just posted on UAA it would have linked both my accounts which I never intended but that’s clearly done now We assume they’re legit and posted here expecting lots more people to post they had received them prior to listing on eBay You’ll also see I hit the eBay listings hard on day one of the banksy show and know how quickly these things drop In price once they become available fully so wanted to capatislise on that I didn’t want to post about it in discord saying brother had these as I don’t have them and they’re not in hand I’ve made that clear they’re his not mine hes currently in Edinburgh exploring fringe bits I assume He has two only! I don’t know what else to say but feel this has got out of hand
I can understand your position.
Still, if matters did get out of hand, this was entirely of your own making.
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You tried to create a fake reference price by deceit.
It was pretty much as follows:
"Hey guys! These badges/pins are going for £175 apiece on eBay!! But I'm not greedy. Not me. So I'm willing to do all of you a favour by selling you mine at a special mates' rate. For the discounted price of just £130 each! Because I'm such a nice bloke."
Now, the above alone doesn't make you an outright fraudster.
[NB: This comment is of course conditional. It assumes the pins actually turn out to be official, authorised Banksy merchandise — as opposed to knockoffs whose creation was arranged by you or someone you know.]
But your lying and deception both approach the realm of fraud. They certainly demonstrate a lack of integrity.
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Moreover, you treated the entire forum as a collective of fools.
I'm sure you can accept why many members will have found this grating. Nobody likes to be taken for a dupe.
And that contempt towards us, your fellow collectors, can feel even more insulting when it's coming from somebody with your level of incompetence.
I trust you will forgive my frankness here.
Although the views I've expressed are honestly‑held, there is admittedly a risk they may be miscontrued as gratuitous.
Even Damien thinks something smells really bad about this story? (hopefully those eB ay listings will disappear soon so the smell goes Yeah I’ll be deleting this thread I think it’s gone from a sales post to a witch hunt
I'm sure we'll find out more about these pins over the coming few days, unless you and your brother just got very very lucky
I really hope so! Right now this has got out of hand
Additional courtesy advice:
Seriously. Enough with your whining.
"Woe is me" is a terrible look for a wannabe scammer who's been caught out.
Just own your dishonesty. And apologise for it — with at least a modicum of sincerity and remorse.
Then try to be a better human in the future. But without any of the "I'm feeling victimised", drama‑queen antics.
Because, under the circumstances, that kind of self‑pity is grotesque.
I was not at the exhibition Wasn’t able to attend I attended on opening day and plan to attend on final day My brother was given these at the exhibition yesterday I’ve deleted my post in the discord you mention as I’m sure you’re aware I’m quite public in there and with it now linking to eBay’s & other sites I feel slightly wary of what I’ve posted if I’d posted in the discord saying I’ve just posted on UAA it would have linked both my accounts which I never intended but that’s clearly done now We assume they’re legit and posted here expecting lots more people to post they had received them prior to listing on eBay You’ll also see I hit the eBay listings hard on day one of the banksy show and know how quickly these things drop In price once they become available fully so wanted to capatislise on that I didn’t want to post about it in discord saying brother had these as I don’t have them and they’re not in hand I’ve made that clear they’re his not mine hes currently in Edinburgh exploring fringe bits I assume He has two only! I don’t know what else to say but feel this has got out of handI can understand your position. Still, if matters did get out of hand, this was entirely of your own making. __________ You tried to create a fake reference price by deceit.It was pretty much as follows: "Hey guys! These badges/pins are going for £175 apiece on eBay!! But I'm not greedy. Not me. So I'm willing to do all of you a favour by selling you mine at a special mates' rate. For the discounted price of just £130 each! Because I'm such a nice bloke."Now, the above alone doesn't make you an outright fraudster. [NB: This comment is of course conditional. It assumes the pins actually turn out to be official, authorised Banksy merchandise — as opposed to knockoffs whose creation was arranged by you or someone you know.]But your lying and deception both approach the realm of fraud. They certainly demonstrate a lack of integrity. __________ Moreover, you treated the entire fo rum as a collective of fools. I'm sure you can accept why many members will have found this grating. Nobody likes to be taken for a dupe. And that contempt towards us, your fellow collectors, can feel even more insulting when it's coming from somebody with your level of incompetence. I trust you will forgive my frankness here. Although the views I've expressed are honestly‑held, there is admittedly a risk they may be miscontrued as gratuitous. Even Damien thinks something smells really bad about this story? (hopefully those eB ay listings will disappear soon so the smell goes Yeah I’ll be deleting this thread I think it’s gone from a sales post to a witch huntI'm sure we'll find out more about these pins over the coming few days, unless you and your brother just got very very lucky I really hope so! Right now this has got out of hand Additional courtesy advice:Seriously. Enough with your whining. "Woe is me" is a terrible look for a wannabe scammer who's been caught out. Just own your dishonesty. And apologise for it — with at least a modicum of sincerity and remorse. Then try to be a better human in the future. But without any of the "I'm feeling victimised", drama‑queen antics. Because, under the circumstances, that kind of self‑pity is grotesque.
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CONFIRMED NOT GENUINE Cut and run pin badge , by met on Aug 12, 2023 21:21:14 GMT 1, Sounds like a remarkable coincidence. I'd be curious to hear the thoughts of Postal Pirate. I just replied above the one on eB ay is me just didnt want these two sites linked we only have two
Cheers for this. I appreciate your candour regarding your own dishonesty.
You mentioned your niece and nephew were given 2 badges.
And your brother seems to have expropriated both badges from his kids, asking you to sell them here.
But 2 badges have already been sold on your jadavie_47* eBay account. As shown below.
So how many of these badges do you really have?
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266368802726
Sounds like a remarkable coincidence. I'd be curious to hear the thoughts of Postal Pirate. I just replied above the one on eB ay is me just didnt want these two sites linked we only have two Cheers for this. I appreciate your candour regarding your own dishonesty. You mentioned your niece and nephew were given 2 badges. And your brother seems to have expropriated both badges from his kids, asking you to sell them here. But 2 badges have already been sold on your jadavie_47 * eB ay account. As shown below. So how many of these badges do you really have? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266368802726
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CONFIRMED NOT GENUINE Cut and run pin badge , by met on Aug 12, 2023 20:39:35 GMT 1, The OP appears to be from near Cardiff, based on acquiring the Phl egm street piece from their local council in Cardiff. The two different eB ay sellers ‘jadavie_47’ and ‘thisthatstuffs’ who have tried to sell the 2 x pin badges are both from Cwmbran Torfaen, which is near Cardiff. Both eB ay sellers have tried to sell 2 x pin badges. The OP also had 2 x pin badges. No one else has tried to sell these badges. The OP listed an XXL size Ban ksy Colston Statue T-shirt for £600 on the forum, then around the same time, the eB ay seller ‘jadavie_47’ (see previous above) sold exactly the same size XXL t-shirt for £650. The first name of the eB ay seller ‘thisthatstuffs’ is Kyle (according to the eBay business account). The first name of the OP is Kyle (as they said on the Phl egm thread - urbanartassociation.com/post/2144767/thread). I wonder what met would establish from this coincidence? 🤔
Sounds like a remarkable coincidence.
I'd be curious to hear the thoughts of Postal Pirate.
The OP appears to be from near Cardiff, based on acquiring the Phl egm street piece from their local council in Cardiff. The two different eB ay sellers ‘jadavie_47’ and ‘thisthatstuffs’ who have tried to sell the 2 x pin badges are both from Cwmbran Torfaen, which is near Cardiff. Both eB ay sellers have tried to sell 2 x pin badges. The OP also had 2 x pin badges. No one else has tried to sell these badges. The OP listed an XXL size Ban ksy Colston Statue T-shirt for £600 on the forum, then around the same time, the eB ay seller ‘jadavie_47’ (see previous above) sold exactly the same size XXL t-shirt for £650. The first name of the eB ay seller ‘thisthatstuffs’ is Kyle (according to the eBay business account). The first name of the OP is Kyle (as they said on the Phl egm thread - urbanartassociation.com/post/2144767/thread). I wonder what met would establish from this coincidence? 🤔 Sounds like a remarkable coincidence. I'd be curious to hear the thoughts of Postal Pirate.
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CONFIRMED NOT GENUINE Cut and run pin badge , by met on Aug 12, 2023 20:29:06 GMT 1, My brother niece & nephew received 2 badges today at the cut and run show in Glasgow He doesn’t use the forums an has asked me to list them for sale after seeing another on eB ay for £175 I’m going again on the final day so hopefully will get another then he is looking for offers around £130 Is your brother the one selling some on eBay?
No he saw the ones on eBay & asked me to list them here
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Noted regarding your brother.
But would you yourself have a connection (direct or indirect) with any of the eBay accounts that (a) have already sold or (b) are currently selling these badges/pins?
My brother niece & nephew received 2 badges today at the cut and run show in Glasgow He doesn’t use the forums an has asked me to list them for sale after seeing another on eB ay for £175 I’m going again on the final day so hopefully will get another then he is looking for offers around £130 Is your brother the one selling some on eBay?No he saw the ones on eBay & asked me to list them here Postal PirateNoted regarding your brother. But would you yourself have a connection (direct or indirect) with any of the eB ay accounts that (a) have already sold or (b) are currently selling these badges/pins?
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CONFIRMED NOT GENUINE Cut and run pin badge , by met on Aug 12, 2023 19:33:41 GMT 1, Has anyone other than the OP seen or been handed any of these at the show?
That is the first question I would also ask.
Has anyone other than the OP seen or been handed any of these at the show? That is the first question I would also ask.
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Aug 10, 2023 17:38:00 GMT 1, Best track of the year so far. Fact. you can’t ban a coat can you?
While there was never an outright ban, I do recall the days of yesteryear when my dear mother would try to discourage me from buying used trenchcoats, overcoats and suits.
Unsurprisingly given the generational divide, our respective notions of "cool" were often at variance. If not incompatible.
In fairness, this was also before the rebranding took place:
Back then, used garments were still just "second‑hand". Only much later, having undergone a sudden magical transformation, did they begin being referred to as "vintage", "antique" or "preloved".
My mother had always been highly sensitive to odours.
[As a child, I'd have to keep re‑learning that the hard way, every time she caught me playing with matches. This, despite my repeated certainty about having left the windows open long enough to fool her.]
In relation to second‑hand garments, the chemical smell of mothballs made her especially uneasy.
More to the point, she disliked the idea — both of "dead‑people's clothes" being brought into her home, and one of her offspring actually wearing them.
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Thank you for posting.
Catchy song, fun video.
The look of Daisy Smith has a separate nostalgic appeal for me:
Good dancer, crazy eyes, severe fringe, and Breton shirt.
What's not to like?
Best track of the year so far. Fact. you can’t ban a coat can you?While there was never an outright ban, I do recall the days of yesteryear when my dear mother would try to discourage me from buying used trenchcoats, overcoats and suits. Unsurprisingly given the generational divide, our respective notions of "cool" were often at variance. If not incompatible. In fairness, this was also before the rebranding took place: Back then, used garments were still just "second‑hand". Only much later, having undergone a sudden magical transformation, did they begin being referred to as "vintage", "antique" or "preloved". My mother had always been highly sensitive to odours. [As a child, I'd have to keep re‑learning that the hard way, every time she caught me playing with matches. This, despite my repeated certainty about having left the windows open long enough to fool her.]In relation to second‑hand garments, the chemical smell of mothballs made her especially uneasy. More to the point, she disliked the idea — both of "dead‑people's clothes" being brought into her home, and one of her offspring actually wearing them. __________ Thank you for posting. Catchy song, fun video. The look of Daisy Smith has a separate nostalgic appeal for me: Good dancer, crazy eyes, severe fringe, and Breton shirt. What's not to like?
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Adam Neate Print, Canvas, WANTED, by met on Aug 9, 2023 21:11:57 GMT 1, And the deal has been done! Thanks to everyone who offered a piece and especially to Johnny Sarcasm for a really smooth transaction, completely trustworthy guy with an epic collection. 9 hours after setting off this morning I'm finally home with it hung on the wall...I think you will all agree...I've got a good 'un. The photos really don't do the piece or the frame justice...it's absolutely stunning. Oh...and it's MASSIVE. The monitor is a 34inch... That is quite a statement piece… no doubt it will cause a stir in the home office with plenty of discussion stimulated. Well done on going bold.
The Believers (2007)
Perhaps both in the home office and at the Home Office.
[Cheers for the assist.]
That said, polygamy/polyamory sometimes feels a bit overrated.
And the deal has been done! Thanks to everyone who offered a piece and especially to Johnny Sarcasm for a really smooth transaction, completely trustworthy guy with an epic collection. 9 hours after setting off this morning I'm finally home with it hung on the wall...I think you will all agree...I've got a good 'un. The photos really don't do the piece or the frame justice...it's absolutely stunning. Oh...and it's MASSIVE. The monitor is a 34inch... That is quite a statement piece… no doubt it will cause a stir in the home office with plenty of discussion stimulated. Well done on going bold. The Believers (2007)Perhaps both in the home office and at the Home Office. [Cheers for the assist.]That said, polygamy/polyamory sometimes feels a bit overrated.
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Banksy Print, Canvas, WANTED, by met on Aug 8, 2023 17:25:01 GMT 1, Looking for a Very Little Helps - unframed, excellent condition and realistically priced please. What is "realistically priced"?
Excellent question, even if facetious.
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As is also the case with "reasonably priced" and "fairly priced", the meaning of these terms often varies according to the individuals using them:
1. When used by buyers, some are just alluding to current market value, pure and simple. This is the all‑inclusive price an artwork is known to typically sell for at auction, in galleries, and/or via private sales by dealers or individual collectors.
2. Other buyers are referring to a certain middle‑ground price point — for example, the average hammer price an artwork has achieved in recent auction sales (unless deemed to be outliers).
Financially, this is mutually beneficial for both buyer and seller, since it is about midway between:
(a) what the buyer would have had to pay at auction, including buyer's premium and applicable VAT or import duties; and
(b) what the auction seller/consignor would presumably have received, net of their seller's fees (assuming such fees were incurred).
3. Yet other buyers are referring instead to the net‑proceeds amount that sellers/consignors will have received in recent auction sales, i.e. after deduction of their seller's fees.
4. Lastly, one senses a substantial number of buyers view the terms "realistically priced", "reasonably priced" and "fairly priced" in a very fluid manner and euphemistically, unconcerned about definitional precision.
They sometimes appear to use this wording synonymously with, "suitably‑priced for a fire sale".
Or "priced sufficiently below market value to make the purchase worth my while".
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Transparency, and even relative transparency, can certainly be nerve‑racking. Nobody really likes to show their hand.
But if we wish to demonstrate integrity, reduce confusion, and minimise the risk of wasting other people's time, it seems preferable to be clear and avoid using expressions that are open to conflicting interpretations.
When buyers are less than forthright about what they really mean, that is not especially comforting to potential sellers. It does little to encourage the making of initial contacts between the parties, let alone further engagement.
Because, rightly or wrongly, an apparent lack of candour can easily be interpreted as suspicious.
It might even suggest the buyer is of bad faith — a chancer or opportunist hoping to come across some dupe who's willing to sell their artwork for substantially less than what it's really worth.
Looking for a Very Little Helps - unframed, excellent condition and realistically priced please. What is "realistically priced"?Excellent question, even if facetious. __________ As is also the case with "reasonably priced" and "fairly priced", the meaning of these terms often varies according to the individuals using them: 1. When used by buyers, some are just alluding to current market value, pure and simple. This is the all‑inclusive price an artwork is known to typically sell for at auction, in galleries, and/or via private sales by dealers or individual collectors. 2. Other buyers are referring to a certain middle‑ground price point — for example, the average hammer price an artwork has achieved in recent auction sales (unless deemed to be outliers). Financially, this is mutually beneficial for both buyer and seller, since it is about midway between: (a) what the buyer would have had to pay at auction, including buyer's premium and applicable VAT or import duties; and (b) what the auction seller/consignor would presumably have received, net of their seller's fees (assuming such fees were incurred). 3. Yet other buyers are referring instead to the net‑proceeds amount that sellers/consignors will have received in recent auction sales, i.e. after deduction of their seller's fees. 4. Lastly, one senses a substantial number of buyers view the terms "realistically priced", "reasonably priced" and "fairly priced" in a very fluid manner and euphemistically, unconcerned about definitional precision. They sometimes appear to use this wording synonymously with, "suitably‑priced for a fire sale". Or "priced sufficiently below market value to make the purchase worth my while". __________ Transparency, and even relative transparency, can certainly be nerve‑racking. Nobody really likes to show their hand. But if we wish to demonstrate integrity, reduce confusion, and minimise the risk of wasting other people's time, it seems preferable to be clear and avoid using expressions that are open to conflicting interpretations. When buyers are less than forthright about what they really mean, that is not especially comforting to potential sellers. It does little to encourage the making of initial contacts between the parties, let alone further engagement. Because, rightly or wrongly, an apparent lack of candour can easily be interpreted as suspicious. It might even suggest the buyer is of bad faith — a chancer or opportunist hoping to come across some dupe who's willing to sell their artwork for substantially less than what it's really worth.
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Art Wanted, by met on Aug 7, 2023 18:52:15 GMT 1, Looking for works by Alfie Caine. Please get in touch if you have something for sale.
Over the past few months, I've been tempted to torpedo the Charlotte Keates thread* on this message board.
To be clear, Keates is not a bad artist.
But she is terribly average in my view, and unworthy of the level of enthusiasm she often receives here.
Her shtick — heavily influenced by the interiors of David Hockney and, more recently, the likes of Jonas Wood — is a style that has also been aped, borrowed and appropriated by so many other artists who still wear their influences so visibly on their sleeves.
When viewed, not simply in isolation, but among this broader pool of young Hockney acolytes, the singular features of Charlotte Keates' work become less evident, less notable. Worse still, they start to feel clichéd.
However, I really cannot say the same about Alfie Caine.
For years now, I've kept a distant yet keen eye on his architecture and interiors-themed paintings.
His art had been the example I planned to use by way of comparison, to put the limitations of Keates' talent more clearly into perspective. To my mind, Caine blows her (and most of their contemporaries) out of the water.
For the benefit of other members unfamilar with Caine's art, note his distinctive palette, the dreamlike or semi‑surreal tone of his work, its composition, the general calibre of execution, and some of the subtle details that aren't always noticed at first glance — like the silhouette shadow in the first piece below:
Looking for works by Alfie Caine. Please get in touch if you have something for sale. Over the past few months, I've been tempted to torpedo the Charlotte Keates thread * on this message board. To be clear, Kea tes is not a bad artist. But she is terribly average in my view, and unworthy of the level of enthusiasm she often receives here. Her shtick — heavily influenced by the interiors of David Hockney and, more recently, the likes of Jonas Wood — is a style that has also been aped, borrowed and appropriated by so many other artists who still wear their influences so visibly on their sleeves. When viewed, not simply in isolation, but among this broader pool of young Ho ckney acolytes, the singular features of Charlotte Kea tes' work become less evident, less notable. Worse still, they start to feel clichéd. However, I really cannot say the same about Alfie Caine. For years now, I've kept a distant yet keen eye on his architecture and interiors-themed paintings. His art had been the example I planned to use by way of comparison, to put the limitations of Keates' talent more clearly into perspective. To my mind, Ca ine blows her (and most of their contemporaries) out of the water. For the benefit of other members unfamilar with Ca ine's art, note his distinctive palette, the dreamlike or semi‑surreal tone of his work, its composition, the general calibre of execution, and some of the subtle details that aren't always noticed at first glance — like the silhouette shadow in the first piece below:
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Ai Weiwei Avant Art Releases 2023, by met on Aug 6, 2023 16:58:04 GMT 1, Priming is the idea that exposure to one stimulus may influence a response to a subsequent stimulus, without conscious guidance or intention. The priming effect refers to the positive or negative effect of a rapidly presented stimulus on the processing of a second stimulus that appears shortly after. Does anyone know what sort of prices the private sales are doing for these? I’m aware of a Mayfair gallery placing one of these with a collector for £12k
That is a helpful explanation of the priming effect.
And a fitting caveat, especially on this message board.
A complementary psychological term would be the anchoring effect:
www.pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/the-drawbacks-of-goals/
The anchoring effect is a cognitive bias that describes the common human tendency to rely too heavily on the first piece of information offered (the “anchor”) when making decisions.
During decision making, anchoring occurs when individuals use an initial piece of information to make subsequent judgments. Once an anchor is set, other judgments are made by adjusting away from that anchor, and there is a bias toward interpreting other information around the anchor.
For example, the initial price offered for a used car sets the standard for the rest of the negotiations, so that prices lower than the initial price seem more reasonable even if they are still higher than what the car is really worth.
Priming is the idea that exposure to one stimulus may influence a response to a subsequent stimulus, without conscious guidance or intention. The priming effect refers to the positive or negative effect of a rapidly presented stimulus on the processing of a second stimulus that appears shortly after. Does anyone know what sort of prices the private sales are doing for these? I’m aware of a Mayfair gallery placing one of these with a collector for £12k That is a helpful explanation of the priming effect. And a fitting caveat, especially on this message board. A complementary psychological term would be the anchoring effect: www.pon.harvard.edu/daily/negotiation-skills-daily/the-drawbacks-of-goals/The anchoring effect is a cognitive bias that describes the common human tendency to rely too heavily on the first piece of information offered (the “anchor”) when making decisions.
During decision making, anchoring occurs when individuals use an initial piece of information to make subsequent judgments. Once an anchor is set, other judgments are made by adjusting away from that anchor, and there is a bias toward interpreting other information around the anchor.
For example, the initial price offered for a used car sets the standard for the rest of the negotiations, so that prices lower than the initial price seem more reasonable even if they are still higher than what the car is really worth.
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Damien Hirst H13 • Where the Land Meets the Sea, by met on Aug 6, 2023 15:40:57 GMT 1, Doldrums is the only one worth buying
Got to be Blizzard for me
Although envy is a terribly unattractive emotion, I must admit feeling envious about your respective levels of certainty.
Just like at the supermarket, when faced with 25 brands of olive oil, Damien Hirst and HENI are leaving me somewhat paralysed by the options they have on offer with Where the Land Meets the Sea:
heni.com/primary/collection/where-the-land-meets-the-sea
In this respect, abundance of choice, which should at least in theory confer freedom and vivication to members of society, can in practice have the very opposite effect.
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After hours of anxious dithering, I finally got my purchase shortlist down to three Hirst pieces, each of them being a definite maybe:
(i) Ha-ha! ;
(ii) What on Earth Were You Thinking? ; and
(iii) You Made Your Bed, Now Lie In It .
By tomorrow evening, I hope to have selected the perfect print to spend thousands of dollars on ("+ shipping and any applicable taxes").
Doldrums is the only one worth buying Got to be Blizzard for me Although envy is a terribly unattractive emotion, I must admit feeling envious about your respective levels of certainty. Just like at the supermarket, when fa ced with 25 brands of olive oil, Damien Hirst and HENI are leaving me somewhat paralysed by the options they have on offer with Where the Land Meets the Sea: heni.com/primary/collection/where-the-land-meets-the-seaIn this respect, abundance of choice, which should at least in theory confer freedom and vivication to members of society, can in practice have the very opposite effect. __________ After hours of anxious dithering, I finally got my purchase shortlist down to three Hi rst pieces, each of them being a definite maybe: (i) Ha-ha! ; (ii) What on Earth Were You Thinking? ; and (iii) You Made Your Bed, Now Lie In It . By tomorrow evening, I hope to have selected the perfect print to spend thousands of dollars on ( "+ shipping and any applicable taxes").
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Damien Hirst H10 • The Empresses, by met on Aug 5, 2023 19:10:45 GMT 1, Has anyone already had experience with the Empresses, more specifically the glitter on the surface and dust, and can report back? If you do a keyword search for "fluff", I think the original Empresses thread had some comments about glitter coming off, dust, fluff, etc.
Although not specific to any particular artworks, an informative general article about unframed (or framed without glazing) diamond-dust and glitter-covered pieces can be found on the website, DustMagnetsRUs.co.uk.
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Specifically regarding Damien Hirst's laminated inkjet and glitter prints, The Empresses, there used to be two other threads with posts on the issue of fluff and dust.
However, I sadly can no longer find these threads with the forum's Search facility. It's possible they have since been merged or moved elsewhere.
One was headed, Liberace's Wallpaper.
The other had a 'Recommendations Wanted'-style title. If memory serves, it was something like, Looking for home decor resembling the inside of my kaleidoscope.
Has anyone already had experience with the Empresses, more specifically the glitter on the surface and dust, and can report back? If you do a keyword search for "fluff", I think the original Empresses thread had some comments about glitter coming off, dust, fluff, etc. Although not specific to any particular artworks, an informative general article about unframed (or framed without glazing) diamond-dust and glitter-covered pieces can be found on the website, DustMagnetsRUs.co.uk. __________ Specifically regarding Damien Hirst's laminated inkjet and glitter prints, The Empresses, there used to be two other threads with posts on the issue of fluff and dust. However, I sadly can no longer find these threads with the fo rum's Search facility. It's possible they have since been merged or moved elsewhere. One was headed, Liberace's Wallpaper. The other had a 'Recommendations Wanted'-style title. If memory serves, it was something like, Looking for home decor resembling the inside of my kaleidoscope.
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Banksy Show • Cut & Run • Glasgow , by met on Aug 4, 2023 14:55:07 GMT 1, Interesting addition to the Duke of Wellington statue....
A criterion like conceptual freshness is always pertinent when judging the artistic value of a new piece. It helps to separate the innovative from the hackneyed. The wheat from the chaff.
My own assessment of the above intervention would be in line with that of the pigeon's.
Interesting addition to the Duke of Wellington statue.... A criterion like conceptual freshness is always pertinent when judging the artistic value of a new piece. It helps to separate the innovative from the hackneyed. The wheat from the chaff. My own assessment of the above intervention would be in line with that of the pigeon's.
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Cleon Peterson • Tote Bag, by met on Aug 4, 2023 11:54:06 GMT 1,
Those additional steps are perhaps overly-complicated, even fussy.
In its current, original state, the stiffened-canvas Cleon Peterson was already made to be ready‑to‑hang.
No framing even needed, let alone separate D‑rings with cord or wire.
Just stick a nail in a wall, hang the piece by its handle, and that's you sorted.
Those additional steps are perhaps overly-complicated, even fussy. In its current, original state, the stiffened-canvas Cl eon Pet erson was already made to be ready‑to‑hang. No framing even needed, let alone separate D‑rings with cord or wire. Just stick a nail in a wall, hang the piece by its handle, and that's you sorted.
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What Music are you listening to at the moment ?, by met on Aug 3, 2023 22:13:43 GMT 1, There is some magic happening here
Query whether the moments of magic you're referring to could perhaps in part be a gentle nod (even a subconscious one) to Burt Bacharach and Perry Como:
There is some magic happening here Query whether the moments of magic you're referring to could perhaps in part be a gentle nod (even a subconscious one) to Burt Bacharach and Perry Como:
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CharityStars • Genuine or Fake?, by met on Aug 3, 2023 21:55:16 GMT 1,
Regrettably, that print is not by Andy Warhol.
If you bring it into any credible auction house (e.g. Christie's, Sotheby's or Phillips), or any credible specialist dealer of Warhol artworks, they will immediately confirm the same.
I would now focus your efforts on trying to get a refund from CharityStars.com. They are rather notorious scammers.
If you wisely paid using a debit or credit card, then contact your card issuer in the first instance and request they iniate a chargeback.
Going forward, please beware of giving any entity the benefit of the doubt simply because they cynically included the words "charity", "auctions" or "gallery" in their business names.
A couple of forum threads for additional reference:
urbanartassociation.com/thread/183829/banksy-fakes-on-charitystars
urbanartassociation.com/thread/183566/charitystars
Regrettably, that print is not by Andy War hol. If you bring it into any credible auction house (e.g. Ch ristie's, So theby's or Phi llips), or any credible specialist dealer of War hol artworks, they will immediately confirm the same. I would now focus your efforts on trying to get a refund from CharityStars.com. They are rather notorious scammers. If you wisely paid using a debit or credit card, then contact your card issuer in the first instance and request they iniate a chargeback. Going forward, please beware of giving any entity the benefit of the doubt simply because they cynically included the words "charity", "auctions" or "gallery" in their business names. A couple of fo rum threads for additional reference: urbanartassociation.com/thread/183829/banksy-fakes-on-charitystarsurbanartassociation.com/thread/183566/charitystars
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TOX 🇬🇧 Graffiti • Street Art • Art For Sale, by met on Aug 3, 2023 20:44:03 GMT 1, I love this one, just released this year
The original at Beyond the Streets. 🙌🏻🙏🏻
Obvious to many, but perhaps not to everyone — especially if they have never visited London, or if they shy away from public transportation:
The Tox pieces are based on the London Underground map, originally created in the early 1930s by Henry Beck*:
Beck's design was arguably revolutionary. It foregoed geographical accuracy in favour of user‑friendliness:
(i) colour‑coded Tube lines;
(ii) Tube lines often laid out horizontally or vertically; and
(iii) stations more‑equally‑spaced on the map, regardless of the actual distances between them in situ.
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Tox's imagery is of course self‑referencing.
In graffiti parlance, the writer is confirming that he is all‑city as far as London is concerned.
And for the benefit of anyone who is unaware, DDS (a.k.a. Diabolical Dubstars, or other stylised variants of that name) is a prolific, old‑school crew that has been around for 3+ decades.
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By way of aside, it felt a little surprising to discover Tox and 10 Foot had taken part in the corporate-sponsored, commercial extravaganza that was Beyond the Streets.
Unlike a few other DDS crew members who have happily collaborated with the likes of Palace and Maharishi, Tox and 10 Foot always came across as particularly uncompromising to me.
Moreover, to see their work at a venue like Saatchi Gallery also jarred.
The Continental and North American artist and writer participants at the show could be forgiven for their ignorance. But any Brit would or should have known that Charles Saatchi was a key figure who helped bring Margaret Thatcher into power in 1979, with the admittedly-inspired campaign, Labour Isn't Working*.
Perhaps legacy considerations took precedence over how comfortably a Thatcher‑crony venue sat with the cultures of graffiti and street art.
I'll leave that issue for other forum members to consider.
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Over the course of three series between 2003–2006, ITV London aired a documentary programme called The Tube, which was broadcast as well by Sky.
The following clip focuses largely on Tox and is worth a watch. It's an amusing extract from Episode 1 of Series 2 (Underground Crime) from 2004:
The Tube - Tox Graffiti Special - uploaded by Graffwarsdotcom
This Financial Times profile on 10 Foot, dated 3 February 2023, is also a good read:
www.ft.com/content/45a184ee-b7d9-4c16-b1c2-71def32ccf98
I love this one, just released this year The original at Beyond the Streets. 🙌🏻🙏🏻 Obvious to many, but perhaps not to everyone — especially if they have never visited Lon don, or if they shy away from public transportation: The Tox pieces are based on the London Underground map, originally created in the early 1930s by Henry Beck*: Beck's design was arguably revolutionary. It foregoed geographical accuracy in favour of user‑friendliness: (i) colour‑coded Tube lines; (ii) Tube lines often laid out horizontally or vertically; and (iii) stations more‑equally‑spaced on the map, regardless of the actual distances between them in situ. __________ Tox's imagery is of course self‑referencing. In graffiti parlance, the writer is confirming that he is all‑city as far as Lon don is concerned. And for the benefit of anyone who is unaware, DDS (a.k.a. Diabolical Dubstars, or other stylised variants of that name) is a prolific, old‑school crew that has been around for 3+ decades. __________ By way of aside, it felt a little surprising to discover Tox and 10 Foot had taken part in the corporate-sponsored, commercial extravaganza that was Beyond the Streets. Unlike a few other DDS crew members who have happily collaborated with the likes of Palace and Maharishi, Tox and 10 Foot always came across as particularly uncompromising to me. Moreover, to see their work at a venue like Saatchi Gallery also jarred. The Continental and North American artist and writer participants at the show could be forgiven for their ignorance. But any Brit would or should have known that Charles Saatchi was a key figure who helped bring Margaret Thatcher into power in 1979, with the admittedly-inspired campaign, Labour Isn't Working*. Perhaps legacy considerations took precedence over how comfortably a Thatcher‑crony venue sat with the cultures of gra ffiti and str eet art. I'll leave that issue for other fo rum members to consider. __________ Over the course of three series between 2003–2006, ITV Lon don aired a documentary programme called The Tube, which was broadcast as well by Sky. The following clip focuses largely on Tox and is worth a watch. It's an amusing extract from Episode 1 of Series 2 ( Underground Crime) from 2004: The Tube - Tox Graffiti Special- uploaded by GraffwarsdotcomThis Financial Times profile on 10 Foot, dated 3 February 2023, is also a good read: www.ft.com/content/45a184ee-b7d9-4c16-b1c2-71def32ccf98
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Mason Storm 🇬🇧 New Print Release • Who is Mason Storm?, by met on Aug 3, 2023 17:51:46 GMT 1, Is this based off a notable original work? Not familiar with it...
The Bullingdon Club*, group photo, 1987:
Unsurprisingly, the new Mason Storm is another tired rehash of the underlying idea for Banksy's artwork, Question Time / Devolved Parliament:
Is this based off a notable original work? Not familiar with it... The Bullingdon Club*, group photo, 1987: Unsurprisingly, the new Mason Storm is another tired rehash of the underlying idea for Ban ksy's artwork, Question Time / Devolved Parliament:
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Gagosian Art Galleries, by met on Aug 3, 2023 17:28:48 GMT 1, The merging of multiple posts/threads seems forced in this instance. It has created a thread that is now disjointed. And wanting in coherence, since only the last post dated 28 July (with attached link) is actually relevant to the title. __________ Cheers for recommending the Larry Gagosian profile. Engaging and informative. I was unable to read the article because I've already used up my free allocation with The New Yorker. However, after accessing the site again, I did have about eight seconds to click the start icon for Listen to this story (just beneath the article's banner image and title) before I got the message, "You’ve read your last free article."And fortunately, once started, the audio continued even after the paywall had popped up. That also turned what would otherwise have been a long read into an easy-listening podcast — albeit one whose duration was close to two hours. Among the snippets of info I was previously ignorant about was the extent of the influence that Gagosian's backing had on the career of Cy Twombly in his later years. More anecdotally, I had no idea that Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth was once an employee of Gagosian. Thanks again for the tip. met you can use this site 12ft.io/ to get around most paywalls, it's how I was able to read the article.
Duly noted.
Curiously, viewing the Gagosian article from The New Yorker via that site excludes the audio/podcast option and some of the photos.
Yet just being aware this kind of paywall bypass actually exists was an eye‑opener for me.
I also tried 12ft.io to access Artnet News Pro — which often features articles with interesting‑sounding titles (especially by the Art Business Editor, Tim Schneider). But sadly no joy on that front.
Thank you for the recommendation. Looking forward to making good use of this site in the future.
The merging of multiple posts/threads seems forced in this instance. It has created a thread that is now disjointed. And wanting in coherence, since only the last post dated 28 July (with attached link) is actually relevant to the title. __________ Cheers for recommending the Larry Gagosian profile. Engaging and informative. I was unable to read the article because I've already used up my free allocation with The New Yorker. However, after accessing the site again, I did have about eight seconds to click the start icon for Listen to this story (just beneath the article's banner image and title) before I got the message, "You’ve read your last free article."And fortunately, once started, the audio continued even after the paywall had popped up. That also turned what would otherwise have been a long read into an easy-listening podcast — albeit one whose duration was close to two hours. Among the snippets of info I was previously ignorant about was the extent of the influence that Gagosian's backing had on the career of Cy Twombly in his later years. More anecdotally, I had no idea that Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth was once an employee of Gagosian. Thanks again for the tip. met you can use this site 12ft.io/ to get around most paywalls, it's how I was able to read the article. Duly noted. Curiously, viewing the Gagosian article from The New Yorker via that site excludes the audio/podcast option and some of the photos. Yet just being aware this kind of paywall bypass actually exists was an eye‑opener for me. I also tried 12ft.io to access Artnet News Pro — which often features articles with interesting‑sounding titles (especially by the Art Business Editor, Tim Schneider). But sadly no joy on that front. Thank you for the recommendation. Looking forward to making good use of this site in the future.
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Gagosian Art Galleries, by met on Jul 31, 2023 22:55:13 GMT 1,
The merging of multiple posts/threads seems forced in this instance.
It has created a thread that is now disjointed. And wanting in coherence, since only the last post dated 28 July (with attached link) is actually relevant to the title.
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Cheers for recommending the Larry Gagosian profile. Engaging and informative.
I was unable to read the article because I've already used up my free allocation with The New Yorker.
However, after accessing the site again, I did have about eight seconds to click the start icon for Listen to this story (just beneath the article's banner image and title) before I got the message, "You’ve read your last free article."
And fortunately, once started, the audio continued even after the paywall had popped up.
That also turned what would otherwise have been a long read into an easy-listening podcast — albeit one whose duration was close to two hours.
Among the snippets of info I was previously ignorant about was the extent of the influence that Gagosian's backing had on the career of Cy Twombly in his later years. More anecdotally, I had no idea that Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth was once an employee of Gagosian.
Thanks again for the tip.
The merging of multiple posts/threads seems forced in this instance. It has created a thread that is now disjointed. And wanting in coherence, since only the last post dated 28 July (with attached link) is actually relevant to the title. __________ Cheers for recommending the Larry Gagosian profile. Engaging and informative. I was unable to read the article because I've already used up my free allocation with The New Yorker. However, after accessing the site again, I did have about eight seconds to click the start icon for Listen to this story (just beneath the article's banner image and title) before I got the message, "You’ve read your last free article."And fortunately, once started, the audio continued even after the paywall had popped up. That also turned what would otherwise have been a long read into an easy-listening podcast — albeit one whose duration was close to two hours. Among the snippets of info I was previously ignorant about was the extent of the influence that Gagosian's backing had on the career of Cy Twombly in his later years. More anecdotally, I had no idea that Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth was once an employee of Gagosian. Thanks again for the tip.
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For Sale: Alec Monopoly / Kai art / WRDSMTH, by met on Jul 27, 2023 13:59:08 GMT 1, I am open to proposal. You can DM me Thanks David
Although the advice below may sound old‑fashioned, it is based on human psychology and therefore retains a modern‑day relevance:
Being seen to rush into these things unfortunately suggests desperation. And that alone will be an immediate turnoff for many.
You will likely receive far greater interest just by playing it cool instead. Let people get to know you first. Keep things light and pressure‑free. At least initially, until they become emotionally invested.
An invitation for coffee, or even to an art show, might be a good start.
That would let you meet potential candidates beforehand. Conveniently, it would thereby also allow you to exclude any suitors with, for example, personal hygiene issues. Or those who no longer have their own teeth.
I am open to proposal. You can DM me Thanks David Although the advice below may sound old‑fashioned, it is based on human psychology and therefore retains a modern‑day relevance: Being seen to rush into these things unfortunately suggests desperation. And that alone will be an immediate turnoff for many. You will likely receive far greater interest just by playing it cool instead. Let people get to know you first. Keep things light and pressure‑free. At least initially, until they become emotionally invested. An invitation for coffee, or even to an art show, might be a good start. That would let you meet potential candidates beforehand. Conveniently, it would thereby also allow you to exclude any suitors with, for example, personal hygiene issues. Or those who no longer have their own teeth.
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Collecting Pottery & Ceramics, by met on Jul 21, 2023 6:49:00 GMT 1, Its all got so confusing. where would I find 'post Your new art' and all the cool other stuff. The index has all gone. Its now 'new posts' or 'new threads'. Don't they know we are all old people and do not embrace change.
Don't know about 'post Your new art', I'm afraid.
But all the cool other stuff is easy to locate.
If having difficulties, could there be an issue with your web browser?
Maybe try shutting down your computer and then restarting it again.
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In case it makes any difference, I'm using Firefox, and the Search options are working fine on my laptop.
These step-by-step instructions may also assist:
1. From the UAA homepage, just beneath the advertising banners and rows headed New Posts and New Threads, you should be able to spot the following four rows / subsection headings:
- Urban Art • Street Art - Art For Sale - Urban Art Auctions - Framing • Art Restoration
2. Click any of the four subsection headings (it doesn't matter which one, because the end result is conveniently always the same).
This will take you to a new page.
3. Now, make sure you've scrolled all the way up the screen.
4. Can you see the very first thread, which has been helpfully prioritised?
Its title includes a reference to "TOP 10".
That is where all the cool stuff is found on the forum.
Its all got so confusing. where would I find 'post Your new art' and all the cool other stuff. The index has all gone. Its now 'new posts' or 'new threads'. Don't they know we are all old people and do not embrace change. Don't know about 'post Your new art', I'm afraid. But all the cool other stuff is easy to locate. If having difficulties, could there be an issue with your web browser? Maybe try shutting down your computer and then restarting it again. __________ In case it makes any difference, I'm using Firefox, and the Search options are working fine on my laptop. These step-by-step instructions may also assist: 1. From the UAA homepage, just beneath the advertising banners and rows headed New Posts and New Threads, you should be able to spot the following four rows / subsection headings: - Urban Art • Street Art - Art For Sale - Urban Art Auctions - Framing • Art Restoration2. Click any of the four subsection headings (it doesn't matter which one, because the end result is conveniently always the same). This will take you to a new page. 3. Now, make sure you've scrolled all the way up the screen. 4. Can you see the very first thread, which has been helpfully prioritised? Its title includes a reference to "TOP 10". That is where all the cool stuff is found on the fo rum.
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met and co's critique on MBW, by met on Jul 19, 2023 12:53:19 GMT 1, met is undoubtedly one of the most helpful and valuable contributors on this fo rum, especially when it comes to calling out misleading, dubious or deceiving posts However this sales thread is none of those things Quite the contrary : it is forthcoming, legible, detailed, illustrated, with a price guide, and invitation for discussion. Commenting on the art is probably best reserved to the dedicated sections
Thank you for this.
And apologies in advance. Because debate‑wise, the wall of text that follows may be a little dull, with so little appearing to separate our respective positions.
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There are some resellers who wish to use this forum as their personal selling platform, but without the bothersome eBay or auction‑house fees. And without the inconvenience of negative quips by other members.
We see this rather often. A misplaced entitlement by resellers is immediately exposed each time one of them refers to "my thread". Such wording almost suggests they believe a thread they initiated on a public message board should be treated by others as their private property. In other words, something they (in their own minds) feel they have the right to be territorial over.
And when that sense of entitlement is somehow threatened, a number of these resellers quickly pivot to shrill mode: defensive, passive‑aggressive, and/or hysterical.
For an adult, one who should normally possess an adult‑level of resilience, that sort of behaviour seems unbecoming.
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Thankfully, yet also unsurprisingly given your posting history, I sense no general desire by you to stifle discussion or commentary.
The appropriate location for comments may well be the sole point on which we diverge.
And actually, the scope of our disagreement is possibly even more limited:
Perhaps you aren't referring to all comments — but only those that could be perceived as criticisms, whether in substance or tone.
Please correct me if this speculation on my part is wrong.
I mention the point because I've never witnessed a reseller throw a hissy fit when the works they were offloading received any comments of praise. You know the type:
"Stunning print, mate. GLWTS"
"Awesome!!! This will be gone in a flash!!!"
"If I didn't already own one of these prints, I would bite your hand off at that price."
etc., etc.
Such remarks can quickly lead to the kind of thread‑post asymmetry that is loved by resellers who want it both ways. Their thoughts easily summarised:
"Commentary is most welcome in my sales thread, but please respect the fact that only positive comments are acceptable."
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Cheers again for your kind words on the contributions I try to make regarding dubious or deceptive posts.
There is though another broad area I frequently allocate my time to. Eschewing false modesty, this is where I believe I can occasionally also bring something fresh to table, and hopefully add value to the forum. Predictably, however, my posts on these matters are more contentious (whether or not due to vested interests that might be affected).
For me as a long‑term art enthusiast, the target audience here is especially fellow members who may be less informed, less experienced, less discerning, or simply less demanding.
Such posts are never intended to tell anybody what to think, but rather to encourage more thinking. In a clearheaded manner.
"Question everything" (including everything I write) would be the highly‑unoriginal advice I find myself repeating, either earnestly or through attempts at humour.
Obvious basic questions exist, that each of us must consider when weighing up a possible purchase.
But with newer, younger or overly‑enthusiastic collectors, I often sense they aren't actually asking themselves these questions, let alone answering them. It may be that they're sometimes under the undue influence of sales patter, hype, the fear of missing out, or a sense of false urgency.
And so, one of my duties (which others have every right to knock, should they so wish) is to encourage those collectors to step back, pause, and reflect a little further. With a more critical and discriminating mindset. To reduce their likelihood of making what they might later deem to be purchase mistakes.
I've cited them before*, but here is a handful of these questions:
(i) Why exactly do I like this piece?
Or, if the reasons are different, Why do I want to own this piece?
(ii) What are the artwork's strengths, and what are its weaknesses?
(iii) Is the art / artist actually any good?
(iv) Am I perhaps buying with my ears rather than my eyes, and therefore behaving like a lemming? To what extent is my desire to acquire this piece being influenced by what other people are buying, or appearing to buy?
To potential purchasers, I believe that direct or indirect reminders of these basic questions are opportune and most helpfully relevant when posted within actual sale threads. If only for balance.
In addition, such reminders arguably become pressing, if not urgent, for works with sale prices in the four+ figures.
And all the more so when, individual tastes and preferences aside*, and according instead to standards/criteria broadly accepted by the art world, those works can without unfairness be dismissed as objectively poor — for example, due to their patently derivative, trite, formulaic, incoherent or vacuous nature.
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While I don't expect to sway many members, especially resellers, as to the merits of my stance, I do hope the above will assist in showing that my occasional pisstaking is motivated neither by pettiness nor by malice.
Of course, some of the thinner‑skinned resellers among us will always take issue with a bit of cheerful ribbing.
But I suspect that is also offset by the casual offensiveness of their own actions — particularly when they cynically target naive or less‑informed members with bad art at exhorbitant prices. And then expect everyone else to shut up.
Thus, rather fortuitously, mutual grievances on the forum tend to balance each other out. What we end up with collectively is a harmonious‑dissonance.
And I myself am reasonably comfortable with that.
met is undoubtedly one of the most helpful and valuable contributors on this fo rum, especially when it comes to calling out misleading, dubious or deceiving posts However this sales thread is none of those things Quite the contrary : it is forthcoming, legible, detailed, illustrated, with a price guide, and invitation for discussion. Commenting on the art is probably best reserved to the dedicated sections Thank you for this. And apologies in advance. Because debate‑wise, the wall of text that follows may be a little dull, with so little appearing to separate our respective positions. __________ There are some resellers who wish to use this fo rum as their personal selling platform, but without the bothersome eB ay or auction‑house fees. And without the inconvenience of negative quips by other members. We see this rather often. A misplaced entitlement by resellers is immediately exposed each time one of them refers to "my thread". Such wording almost suggests they believe a thread they initiated on a public message board should be treated by others as their private property. In other words, something they (in their own minds) feel they have the right to be territorial over. And when that sense of entitlement is somehow threatened, a number of these resellers quickly pivot to shrill mode: defensive, passive‑aggressive, and/or hysterical. For an adult, one who should normally possess an adult‑level of resilience, that sort of behaviour seems unbecoming. __________ Thankfully, yet also unsurprisingly given your posting history, I sense no general desire by you to stifle discussion or commentary. The appropriate location for comments may well be the sole point on which we diverge. And actually, the scope of our disagreement is possibly even more limited: Perhaps you aren't referring to all comments — but only those that could be perceived as criticisms, whether in substance or tone. Please correct me if this speculation on my part is wrong. I mention the point because I've never witnessed a reseller throw a hissy fit when the works they were offloading received any comments of praise. You know the type: "Stunning print, mate. GLWTS""Awesome!!! This will be gone in a flash!!!""If I didn't already own one of these prints, I would bite your hand off at that price."etc., etc. Such remarks can quickly lead to the kind of thread‑post asymmetry that is loved by resellers who want it both ways. Their thoughts easily summarised: "Commentary is most welcome in my sales thread, but please respect the fact that only positive comments are acceptable."__________ Cheers again for your kind words on the contributions I try to make regarding dubious or deceptive posts. There is though another broad area I frequently allocate my time to. Eschewing false modesty, this is where I believe I can occasionally also bring something fresh to table, and hopefully add value to the for um. Predictably, however, my posts on these matters are more contentious (whether or not due to vested interests that might be affected). For me as a long‑term art enthusiast, the target audience here is especially fellow members who may be less informed, less experienced, less discerning, or simply less demanding. Such posts are never intended to tell anybody what to think, but rather to encourage more thinking. In a clearheaded manner. "Question everything" (including everything I write) would be the highly‑unoriginal advice I find myself repeating, either earnestly or through attempts at humour. Obvious basic questions exist, that each of us must consider when weighing up a possible purchase. But with newer, younger or overly‑enthusiastic collectors, I often sense they aren't actually asking themselves these questions, let alone answering them. It may be that they're sometimes under the undue influence of sales patter, hype, the fear of missing out, or a sense of false urgency. And so, one of my duties (which others have every right to knock, should they so wish) is to encourage those collectors to step back, pause, and reflect a little further. With a more critical and discriminating mindset. To reduce their likelihood of making what they might later deem to be purchase mistakes. I've cited them before *, but here is a handful of these questions: (i) Why exactly do I like this piece?Or, if the reasons are different, Why do I want to own this piece?(ii) What are the artwork's strengths, and what are its weaknesses?(iii) Is the art / artist actually any good?(iv) Am I perhaps buying with my ears rather than my eyes, and therefore behaving like a lemming? To what extent is my desire to acquire this piece being influenced by what other people are buying, or appearing to buy?To potential purchasers, I believe that direct or indirect reminders of these basic questions are opportune and most helpfully relevant when posted within actual sale threads. If only for balance. In addition, such reminders arguably become pressing, if not urgent, for works with sale prices in the four+ figures. And all the more so when, individual tastes and preferences aside*, and according instead to standards/criteria broadly accepted by the art world, those works can without unfairness be dismissed as objectively poor — for example, due to their patently derivative, trite, formulaic, incoherent or vacuous nature. __________ While I don't expect to sway many members, especially resellers, as to the merits of my stance, I do hope the above will assist in showing that my occasional pisstaking is motivated neither by pettiness nor by malice. Of course, some of the thinner‑skinned resellers among us will always take issue with a bit of cheerful ribbing. But I suspect that is also offset by the casual offensiveness of their own actions — particularly when they cynically target naive or less‑informed members with bad art at exhorbitant prices. And then expect everyone else to shut up. Thus, rather fortuitously, mutual grievances on the fo rum tend to balance each other out. What we end up with collectively is a harmonious‑dissonance. And I myself am reasonably comfortable with that.
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met and co's critique on MBW, by met on Jul 17, 2023 6:42:58 GMT 1, Love me my MBW.
Moi non plus.
Love me my MBW. Moi non plus.
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Gonefellow 🇬🇧 Print Release • Street Art • Art For Sale, by met on Jul 15, 2023 3:11:01 GMT 1, I don’t know how do you find threads, my friends, I never have the luck or the intelligence ( who knows ? ) to find one ! Anyway, before Covid some years ago, at the autumn if my memory is good, an exhibition of Gonefellow was envisaged in Lon don. Today, GF made an update on Insta ! I really need a passport quickly ( not before autumn ) .. Listen, there is music ... 🎶 www.instagram.com/reel/CurlcPdJI2R/?igshid=Y2IzZGU1MTFhOQ==
I've always viewed Gonefellow as a non‑talent. Or, if being generous, a middling talent.
That said, he does have a knack for selecting which associations to force, and what coattails to ride.
In this instance, I applaud the choice of music accompanying his latest Instagram post (even if merely the result of Googling songs with the word "fragile" in the lyrics):
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CurlcPdJI2R
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Although a rarely mentioned bit of trivia, on the evening of 13 November 2015, the Eagles of Death Metal weren't actually the scheduled main event at the Bataclan in Paris.
The final performance was reserved for Karen Carpenter, who had then recently been brought back from the dead. Moreover, she had successfully recovered from her long‑term anorexia.
Notwithstanding the unexpected, significant obstacles at the venue that night, Carpenter remained ever the professional.
Instinctively she just knew. Since her teenage years, it had always been drummed into her:
The show must go on.
Weyes Blood - It's Not Just Me, It's Everybody (2022)
I don’t know how do you find threads, my friends, I never have the luck or the intelligence ( who knows ? ) to find one ! Anyway, before Covid some years ago, at the autumn if my memory is good, an exhibition of Gonefellow was envisaged in Lon don. Today, GF made an update on Insta ! I really need a passport quickly ( not before autumn ) .. Listen, there is music ... 🎶 www.instagram.com/reel/CurlcPdJI2R/?igshid=Y2IzZGU1MTFhOQ==I've always viewed Gonefellow as a non‑talent. Or, if being generous, a middling talent. That said, he does have a knack for selecting which associations to force, and what coattails to ride. In this instance, I applaud the choice of music accompanying his latest Ins tagram post (even if merely the result of Googling songs with the word "fragile" in the lyrics): https://www.instagram.com/reel/CurlcPdJI2R __________ Although a rarely mentioned bit of trivia, on the evening of 13 November 2015, the Eagles of Death Metal weren't actually the scheduled main event at the Bataclan in Paris. The final performance was reserved for Karen Carpenter, who had then recently been brought back from the dead. Moreover, she had successfully recovered from her long‑term anorexia. Notwithstanding the unexpected, significant obstacles at the venue that night, Carpenter remained ever the professional. Instinctively she just knew. Since her teenage years, it had always been drummed into her: The show must go on.Weyes Blood - It's Not Just Me, It's Everybody (2022)
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met and co's critique on MBW, by met on Jul 15, 2023 1:35:26 GMT 1, Mr. Brainwash Anarchy Soldier, 2012 Screenprint and stencil in colors on paper 30 × 22 3/8 in | 76.2 × 56.8 cm Edition/250 signed and thumb print there are 2 on eb ay @ £5000 fa ir art have 1 for £4000 looking for offers around £3k if im off with price please correct me located Lon don
A fitting tribute by Mr Brainwash.
The individual depicted quite rightly deserves wider recognition.
Easily missed at first glace, but behold the levels of skill and dexterity on display:
This particular foot guard was able to apply acrylic or oil to a wall with a large paint roller — and yet still make the finished work look like it was spraypainted.
To my eyes, that is as impressive as the aerosol x‑ray art by SHOK‑1.
Mr. Brainwash Anarchy Soldier, 2012 Screenprint and stencil in colors on paper 30 × 22 3/8 in | 76.2 × 56.8 cm Edition/250 signed and thumb print there are 2 on eb ay @ £5000 fa ir art have 1 for £4000 looking for offers around £3k if im off with price please correct me located Lon don A fitting tribute by Mr Brainwash. The individual depicted quite rightly deserves wider recognition. Easily missed at first glace, but behold the levels of skill and dexterity on display: This particular foot guard was able to apply acrylic or oil to a wall with a large paint roller — and yet still make the finished work look like it was spraypainted. To my eyes, that is as impressive as the aerosol x‑ray art by SHOK‑1.
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DRAN Print, Canvas, WANTED, by met on Jul 15, 2023 0:02:29 GMT 1, This is random but came across this photo of Jason Statham and couldn't help but notice the Dran pieces behind them
Forgive my indulgence, but I will prolong the pleasure of veering off course for a moment.
Given his delightfully idiosyncratic CV, I cannot help but cheer on Jason Statham for his successes:
1990 - Commonwealth Games, Auckland, NZ Ozzy Man Reviews: Jason Statham Diving — uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews
1994 - Erasure music video Erasure - Run to the Sun — uploaded by erasureinfo
2015 - Spy Spy jason statham scene 2 — uploaded by Keepintouch Kumariung
This is random but came across this photo of Jason Statham and couldn't help but notice the Dran pieces behind them Forgive my indulgence, but I will prolong the pleasure of veering off course for a moment. Given his delightfully idiosyncratic CV, I cannot help but cheer on Jason Statham for his successes: 1990 - Commonwealth Games, Auckland, NZOzzy Man Reviews: Jason Statham Diving — uploaded by Ozzy Man Reviews1994 - Erasure music videoErasure - Run to the Sun — uploaded by erasureinfo2015 - SpySpy jason statham scene 2 — uploaded by Keepintouch Kumariung
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