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'Banksy' piece at The Greatest Auction , by met on May 18, 2023 11:11:50 GMT 1, Bankrobber wants a copy of the book. he messaged me on instagram. Sell it to him mate, he has the cash. I think he wants to see the page with the Banksy rat on. Why on earth sell the book to Robin Barton / Bankrobber? That is the very opposite of what should be done. Think it through. Barton now knows he bought a fake Ban ksy — just as many collectors also now know that, after having staked his reputation in a high‑profile, televised purchase, Barton made a complete t it of himself by paying £250,000 for a fake Ban ksy. So why would he want a copy of a book proving the above, a book attributing the rat piece to a different artist? I'm guessing he wishes to use it as evidence for the purpose of a legal claim he plans to file against the seller of that chunk of wall, in an effort to get his money back. My recommendation is to withhold such evidence from him. If Barton can be: (a) left holding the bag; and (b) publicly seen to be left holding the bag, i.e. out of pocket to the tune of a quarter of a million sterling, that would get us one step closer to restoring a karmic balance in this world. Would he be able to make any legal claim though, if it was not sold as an authentic Banksy?Maybe he's just trying to buy up every copy of that book in existence😂 I honestly thought the whole thing was set up and staged, so just hearing the news that he was trying to obtain a copy brings a smile to my fa ce
I don't know for certain.
But even if Barton were unlikely to win such a claim, he could still send a few letters via his lawyers, including letters setting out their evidence and threatening to initiate proceedings.
And in some cases, that is enough to intimidate the other side, getting them to the negotiating table with a view to reaching some kind of settlement.
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What I am also still ignorant about is whether the auction sale completed, with Barton actually paying out £250,000.
Hopefully, this was case, but it could easily be wishful thinking on my part.
So if anyone here with connections to the seller, Barton, Channel 4 or Curve Media has further information, please feel free to post.
Bankrobber wants a copy of the book. he messaged me on instagram. Sell it to him mate, he has the cash. I think he wants to see the page with the Banksy rat on. Why on earth sell the book to Robin Barton / Bankrobber? That is the very opposite of what should be done. Think it through. Barton now knows he bought a fake Ban ksy — just as many collectors also now know that, after having staked his reputation in a high‑profile, televised purchase, Barton made a complete t it of himself by paying £250,000 for a fake Ban ksy. So why would he want a copy of a book proving the above, a book attributing the rat piece to a different artist? I'm guessing he wishes to use it as evidence for the purpose of a legal claim he plans to file against the seller of that chunk of wall, in an effort to get his money back. My recommendation is to withhold such evidence from him. If Barton can be: (a) left holding the bag; and (b) publicly seen to be left holding the bag, i.e. out of pocket to the tune of a quarter of a million sterling, that would get us one step closer to restoring a karmic balance in this world. Would he be able to make any legal claim though, if it was not sold as an authentic Banksy?Maybe he's just trying to buy up every copy of that book in existence😂 I honestly thought the whole thing was set up and staged, so just hearing the news that he was trying to obtain a copy brings a smile to my fa ce I don't know for certain. But even if Barton were unlikely to win such a claim, he could still send a few letters via his lawyers, including letters setting out their evidence and threatening to initiate proceedings. And in some cases, that is enough to intimidate the other side, getting them to the negotiating table with a view to reaching some kind of settlement. __________ What I am also still ignorant about is whether the auction sale completed, with Barton actually paying out £250,000. Hopefully, this was case, but it could easily be wishful thinking on my part. So if anyone here with connections to the seller, Barton, Channel 4 or Curve Media has further information, please feel free to post.
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'Banksy' piece at The Greatest Auction , by met on May 18, 2023 9:55:39 GMT 1, I have a blackbook that I would let go for £750. I will donate 10% of the proceeds from this sale to SilentbillFree world wide shipping Bankrobber wants a copy of the book. he messaged me on instagram. Sell it to him mate, he has the cash. I think he wants to see the page with the Banksy rat on.
Why on earth sell the book to Robin Barton / Bankrobber?
That is the very opposite of what should be done.
Think it through.
Barton now knows he bought a fake Banksy — just as many collectors also now know that, after having staked his reputation in a high‑profile, televised purchase, Barton made a complete tit of himself by paying £250,000 for a fake Banksy.
So why would he want a copy of a book proving the above, a book attributing the rat piece to a different artist?
I'm guessing he wishes to use it as evidence for the purpose of a legal claim he plans to file against the seller of that chunk of wall, in an effort to get his money back.
My recommendation is to withhold such evidence from him.
If Barton can be:
(a) left holding the bag; and
(b) publicly seen to be left holding the bag, i.e. out of pocket to the tune of a quarter of a million sterling,
that would get us one step closer to restoring a karmic balance in this world.
I have a blackbook that I would let go for £750. I will donate 10% of the proceeds from this sale to SilentbillFree world wide shipping Bankrobber wants a copy of the book. he messaged me on instagram. Sell it to him mate, he has the cash. I think he wants to see the page with the Banksy rat on. Why on earth sell the book to Robin Barton / Bankrobber? That is the very opposite of what should be done. Think it through. Barton now knows he bought a fake Ban ksy — just as many collectors also now know that, after having staked his reputation in a high‑profile, televised purchase, Barton made a complete t it of himself by paying £250,000 for a fake Ban ksy. So why would he want a copy of a book proving the above, a book attributing the rat piece to a different artist? I'm guessing he wishes to use it as evidence for the purpose of a legal claim he plans to file against the seller of that chunk of wall, in an effort to get his money back. My recommendation is to withhold such evidence from him. If Barton can be: (a) left holding the bag; and (b) publicly seen to be left holding the bag, i.e. out of pocket to the tune of a quarter of a million sterling, that would get us one step closer to restoring a karmic balance in this world.
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Banksy Exhibition London in July, by met on May 17, 2023 18:58:17 GMT 1,
Below is a memorable photo from The Art of Banksy - Atlanta (3 Sep. 2021–16 Jan. 2022)*.
Some outstanding research there by the curation team. Maybe those professionals also had help from the "Global Lifestyle Brand", GUESS.
Below is a memorable photo from The Art of Banksy - Atlanta (3 Sep. 2021–16 Jan. 2022) *. Some outstanding research there by the curation team. Maybe those professionals also had help from the "Global Lifestyle Brand", GUESS.
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Banksy Exhibition London in July, by met on May 17, 2023 18:38:06 GMT 1, Much amusement at the fake Pa ris Hilton CD they're leading with on their website.
Looks like one of the CDs often referred to by fraudsters and/or the clueless as being part of the "2nd edition".
Much amusement at the fake Pa ris Hilton CD they're leading with on their website. Looks like one of the CDs often referred to by fraudsters and/or the clueless as being part of the "2nd edition".
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on May 17, 2023 11:58:09 GMT 1, ... I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of Di‑Faced Tenners is unnecessary. ... The dimension of the paper or the dimension of the print could be of interest even if it's almost impossible to measure. To replicate a Banksy tenner without the original digital file (or an original sheet of ten tenners) you would be missing the bleed. So either you have to zoom the artwork (and get a slightly larger print) or (if printed 1:1) trim the paper to a smaller size to not get any white edges.
Point duly taken, though my comment was more about emphasis — and the simple test that collectors should focus their attention on if they fear they may have acquired a counterfeit.
Given the only fakes I've seen to date have all been digital-print reproductions, taking in‑focus, hi‑res, close‑up photos of a Di‑Faced Tenner is the only action currently necessary:
When authentic notes are examined closely, the CMYK dots from the offset lithography process will be individually and clearly visible. That will not be the case with fakes.
... I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of Di‑Faced Tenners is unnecessary. ... The dimension of the paper or the dimension of the print could be of interest even if it's almost impossible to measure. To replicate a Banksy tenner without the original digital file (or an original sheet of ten tenners) you would be missing the bleed. So either you have to zoom the artwork (and get a slightly larger print) or (if printed 1:1) trim the paper to a smaller size to not get any white edges. Point duly taken, though my comment was more about emphasis — and the simple test that collectors should focus their attention on if they fear they may have acquired a counterfeit. Given the only fakes I've seen to date have all been digital-print reproductions, taking in‑focus, hi‑res, close‑up photos of a Di‑Faced Tenner is the only action currently necessary: When authentic notes are examined closely, the CMYK dots from the offset lithography process will be individually and clearly visible. That will not be the case with fakes.
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Heni x Invader 'Rubikcubism', by met on May 17, 2023 11:11:57 GMT 1, I got caught in two minds on whether to buy Marilyn or Camouflage, and missed the deadline - and HENI wouldn't take a late order - which is fair enough. For laughs, I took the suggestion of one of the members here, and got the artwork from the HENI site printed on a 1m x 1m Dibond for about €70, and it came today. Might be a bit darker, but I am very happy with the end-product. Just need to figure out a hanging solution now! Think I'll get Camouflage done too, but brighten it up a tad. I am sorry but doing this in the exact same dimensions is something you should never do. The is illegal copy, it is forbidden, you just can’t do this pal! Heni should n’y have given hd images allowing to do this but even of they did, it grives no authorisation to any body. by the way, I don’t understand what pleasure you get from this.
Although your point about the same dimensions is a strong one, I have no real problem with the actions of ronanmc.
He did make that piece in a slightly different format, with a matt finish, which does distinguish it from HENI's Dibond.
More importantly, it was for his private enjoyment, rather than as a business endeavour.
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My own position is that this forum's ire should be directed at the fraudsters among us — including the occasional and intermittent scammers who, after discovering that certain pieces in their collections are counterfeit, pass them off as genuine and try to sell them on to other members here.
That would be the case, for example, with Hendrix 69 and his fake Keith Haring subway drawings*.
Or with Art Attackkk and his fake Mr Brainwash paster and fake set (or sets?) of signed Stik posters*.
I would also focus more on knockoff merchants and parasites who churn out reproductions for commercial sale, including the bizarrely popular The West Country Prince, or the godawful Mrs Banksy.
The same goes for sponging, formulaic nonsense such as the Connor Brothers.
Or the likes of James McQueen. Seriously, what informed art collector of sound mind would ever contemplate spending a four‑figure sum on such derivative rubbish? Is that really anyone's bag? If so, fill your boots here*.
I got caught in two minds on whether to buy Marilyn or Camouflage, and missed the deadline - and HENI wouldn't take a late order - which is fair enough. For laughs, I took the suggestion of one of the members here, and got the artwork from the HENI site printed on a 1m x 1m Dibond for about €70, and it came today. Might be a bit darker, but I am very happy with the end-product. Just need to figure out a hanging solution now! Think I'll get Camouflage done too, but brighten it up a tad. I am sorry but doing this in the exact same dimensions is something you should never do. The is illegal copy, it is forbidden, you just can’t do this pal! Heni should n’y have given hd images allowing to do this but even of they did, it grives no authorisation to any body. by the way, I don’t understand what pleasure you get from this. Although your point about the same dimensions is a strong one, I have no real problem with the actions of ronanmc. He did make that piece in a slightly different format, with a matt finish, which does distinguish it from HENI's Dibond. More importantly, it was for his private enjoyment, rather than as a business endeavour. __________ My own position is that this fo rum's ire should be directed at the fraudsters among us — including the occasional and intermittent scammers who, after discovering that certain pieces in their collections are counterfeit, pass them off as genuine and try to sell them on to other members here. That would be the case, for example, with Hendrix 69 and his fake Keith Ha ring subway drawings *. Or with Art Attackkk and his fake Mr Brain wash paster and fake set (or sets?) of signed St ik posters *. I would also focus more on knockoff merchants and parasites who churn out reproductions for commercial sale, including the bizarrely popular The West Country Prince, or the godawful Mrs Banksy. The same goes for sponging, formulaic nonsense such as the Connor Brothers. Or the likes of James McQueen. Seriously, what informed art collector of sound mind would ever contemplate spending a four‑figure sum on such derivative rubbish? Is that really anyone's bag? If so, fill your boots here *.
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Banksy • Monkey Parliament Poster, by met on May 17, 2023 8:50:46 GMT 1,
I have one for sale, if you want one. Please send me a PM for more information. Would the Monkey Parliament poster that you're selling be authentic? Or is it a counterfeit one? Dutch Art CollectorAlthough perhaps a little provocative, my questions above were sincere, not rhetorical. If you are selling an authentic Monkey Parliament, then transparency is your friend. In which case, please post some photos of your poster. Conversely, lack of transparency by any seller is generally a red flag. This includes coyness with the public posting of close-up and context images (especially when the sale item isn't a unique or original artwork). It also includes being unforthcoming or evasive about provenance details. Such behaviour is quite often an indicator of bad faith. It could easily be interpreted as a cynical effort by the seller to retain deniability — so they can still plead innocent ignorance ( "Sorry mate, I had no idea.") if later called out for selling a fake.
I have one for sale, if you want one. Please send me a PM for more information. Would the Monkey Parliament poster that you're selling be authentic? Or is it a counterfeit one? Dutch Art CollectorAlthough perhaps a little provocative, my questions above were sincere, not rhetorical. If you are selling an authentic Monkey Parliament, then transparency is your friend. In which case, please post some photos of your poster. Conversely, lack of transparency by any seller is generally a red flag. This includes coyness with the public posting of close-up and context images (especially when the sale item isn't a unique or original artwork). It also includes being unforthcoming or evasive about provenance details. Such behaviour is quite often an indicator of bad faith. It could easily be interpreted as a cynical effort by the seller to retain deniability — so they can still plead innocent ignorance ( "Sorry mate, I had no idea.") if later called out for selling a fake.
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'Banksy' piece at The Greatest Auction , by met on May 17, 2023 8:35:14 GMT 1, The list of backfiring is growing. The artwork was published in a book, credited to Silent Bill, and anyone who is an expert on street art removal, Liverpool street art, or the history of Banksy, will have looked at this book. So the program researchers obviously didn't do their job, unless the point of the program is to highlight how fraud occurs within the art world. Silent Bills price/valuation has leapt up, and if I'm correct, he's owed some money. I was hoping the seller would be shamed into donating the money to charity, thats not happening. As for me being owed some money from its sale, how would I go about getting this, wont be much but I will be giving that to charity. At the very least we can all laugh at how ridiculous the so called experts have been made to look....Schadenfreude
I'd be interested to hear if the sale actually completed, i.e. whether money changed hands and the seller really did manage to fob off to Robin Barton a chunk of render for £250,000.
Would you know if that was the case?
The list of backfiring is growing. The artwork was published in a book, credited to Silent Bill, and anyone who is an expert on street art removal, Liverpool street art, or the history of Banksy, will have looked at this book. So the program researchers obviously didn't do their job, unless the point of the program is to highlight how fraud occurs within the art world. Silent Bills price/valuation has leapt up, and if I'm correct, he's owed some money. I was hoping the seller would be shamed into donating the money to charity, thats not happening. As for me being owed some money from its sale, how would I go about getting this, wont be much but I will be giving that to charity. At the very least we can all laugh at how ridiculous the so called experts have been made to look....Schadenfreude I'd be interested to hear if the sale actually completed, i.e. whether money changed hands and the seller really did manage to fob off to Robin Barton a chunk of render for £250,000. Would you know if that was the case?
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on May 15, 2023 22:48:02 GMT 1, Thanks Met for the detailed aswer, I know that the exact size in the article looks weird, the cut could not be always pefecr, but when checking mine I read this article and I had this doubt.
You are welcome.
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Below is the level of detail found on authentic Di‑Faced Tenners when examined up‑close.
Note the CMYK dots in cyan, magenta, yellow and black.
These become individually and clearly visible as one zooms in:
Thanks Met for the detailed aswer, I know that the exact size in the article looks weird, the cut could not be always pefecr, but when checking mine I read this article and I had this doubt. You are welcome. __________ Below is the level of detail found on authentic Di‑Faced Tenners when examined up‑close. Note the CMYK dots in cyan, magenta, yellow and black. These become individually and clearly visible as one zooms in:
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on May 15, 2023 17:53:51 GMT 1, I read on "ABOUT BUYING A FAKE VERSION OF A COUNTERFEIT £10 NOTE"* that the dimensions must be exactly 7.62 x 14.61 cm. Do you know if sizes above are correct? On some other websites I found diffrente dimensions, for instance here www.deodato.art/en/di-faced-tenner.html I misured mine and the shorter side looks fine, while the longer is a couple of millimiters less. Thanks! * img-journal.unibo.it/article/view/12605Thanks Met for your post! What about the size? As mentioned in my post above I have some doubt about it. Thanks!
Do give thought to the second sentence in point 5 of my earlier post.
I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of Di‑Faced Tenners is unnecessary.
That is perhaps also an unhelpful distraction from what I consider to be the key test of authenticity (see further below).
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If I may go off on a momentary tangent, it is worth keeping in mind that — when spouted with confidence — disinformation, misinformation, misleading half‑truths and complete nonsense can often be mistaken for the truth. And even more so if published, whether in hard copy or on the internet.
In our capacity as media consumers, the duty we each have to ourselves is to continually seek out all the available evidence. To question everything. This, as opposed to blind faith, or relying on assumptions — including the not‑uncommon, default assumption that providers of information are actually informed, competent and honest.
Regarding the links you posted:
1. After clicking the Deodato Arte link, I discovered it was for a gallery website. I myself would rarely attribute much weight to the technical specifications provided by potentially-conflicted individuals and entities whose primary objective is to offload product.
Moreover, in this particular case, the low‑res images of their Di‑Faced Tenner look suspicious to me. At least based on those images, the gallery appears to be selling a fake.
2. When the IMG Journal essay on the Di‑Faced Tenner stated, "The characteristics it must have are: [...] Dimensions of exactly 7.62 x 14.61 cm." (i.e. down to one‑tenth of a millimetre exactly, with no room for exceptions), that blanket assertion sounded ignorant of the printing process, and rather foolish.
It leads me to conclude the author, along with the editors of the journal itself, failed in their responsibilities to fully think through this text.
I, for example, know that my own note is genuine, and measures Y x Z cm.
But it would be intellectually lazy and unwise of me to make the leap of then presuming that (for the above reasons alone) every other genuine note must therefore also measure Y x Z cm precisely.
From the existence of the signed, limited edition of full sheets of uncut Banksy Di‑Faced Tenners, my understanding is the notes were orginally printed in sheets of 10 — and then guillotined into individual notes.
As such, it should not be surprising if there may be minor discrepancies in the dimensions of each note.
[Likewise, there may be minor discrepancies in weight, or in the CMYK dot‑pattern distribution of the different notes from the same sheet of 10.]
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The key test of authenticity for your Di‑Faced Tenner is the presence or non‑presence of individual CMYK dots from the offset lithography printing process.
To this date, even the best fakes I've seen, including many sold by Dope! Gallery / roisaintlouis, have always been some form of digital‑print reproduction.
With your note, using a decent camera in natural light, take some in‑focus, hi‑res close‑up photos of Diana's face.
If that note is genuine, the individual dots in cyan, magenta, yellow and black should be clearly visible when you zoom in and examine it closely.
Such dots will not be individually and clearly visible on a counterfeit.
I read on "ABOUT BUYING A FAKE VERSION OF A COUNTERFEIT £10 NOTE"* that the dimensions must be exactly 7.62 x 14.61 cm. Do you know if sizes above are correct? On some other websites I found diffrente dimensions, for instance here www.deodato.art/en/di-faced-tenner.html I misured mine and the shorter side looks fine, while the longer is a couple of millimiters less. Thanks! * img-journal.unibo.it/article/view/12605Thanks Met for your post! What about the size? As mentioned in my post above I have some doubt about it. Thanks! Do give thought to the second sentence in point 5 of my earlier post. I would put it to you that focusing on the dimensions of Di‑Faced Tenners is unnecessary. That is perhaps also an unhelpful distraction from what I consider to be the key test of authenticity (see further below). __________ If I may go off on a momentary tangent, it is worth keeping in mind that — when spouted with confidence — disinformation, misinformation, misleading half‑truths and complete nonsense can often be mistaken for the truth. And even more so if published, whether in hard copy or on the internet. In our capacity as media consumers, the duty we each have to ourselves is to continually seek out all the available evidence. To question everything. This, as opposed to blind faith, or relying on assumptions — including the not‑uncommon, default assumption that providers of information are actually informed, competent and honest. Regarding the links you posted:1. After clicking the Deodato Arte link, I discovered it was for a gallery website. I myself would rarely attribute much weight to the technical specifications provided by potentially-conflicted individuals and entities whose primary objective is to offload product. Moreover, in this particular case, the low‑res images of their Di‑Faced Tenner look suspicious to me. At least based on those images, the gallery appears to be selling a fake. 2. When the IMG Journal essay on the Di‑Faced Tenner stated, "The characteristics it must have are: [...] Dimensions of exactly 7.62 x 14.61 cm." (i.e. down to one‑tenth of a millimetre exactly, with no room for exceptions), that blanket assertion sounded ignorant of the printing process, and rather foolish. It leads me to conclude the author, along with the editors of the journal itself, failed in their responsibilities to fully think through this text. I, for example, know that my own note is genuine, and measures Y x Z cm. But it would be intellectually lazy and unwise of me to make the leap of then presuming that (for the above reasons alone) every other genuine note must therefore also measure Y x Z cm precisely. From the existence of the signed, limited edition of full sheets of uncut Ban ksy Di‑Faced Tenners, my understanding is the notes were orginally printed in sheets of 10 — and then guillotined into individual notes. As such, it should not be surprising if there may be minor discrepancies in the dimensions of each note. [Likewise, there may be minor discrepancies in weight, or in the CMYK dot‑pattern distribution of the different notes from the same sheet of 10.]__________ random.jesThe key test of authenticity for your Di‑Faced Tenner is the presence or non‑presence of individual CMYK dots from the offset lithography printing process. To this date, even the best fakes I've seen, including many sold by Dope! Gallery / roisaintlouis, have always been some form of digital‑print reproduction. With your note, using a decent camera in natural light, take some in‑focus, hi‑res close‑up photos of Diana's face. If that note is genuine, the individual dots in cyan, magenta, yellow and black should be clearly visible when you zoom in and examine it closely. Such dots will not be individually and clearly visible on a counterfeit.
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Banksy £10 • Di-Faced Tenner, by met on May 14, 2023 20:21:58 GMT 1,
Personally I’d be sceptical about any mint condition one that was sourced from one of the stunts.
As a general preliminary comment, multiple threads on this topic appear to have been merged into a single thread by Admin, but sadly very late in the day — rather than promptly, after the duplicate threads were created, and before they started taking on extended lives of their own.
Notwithstanding the intention of good housekeeping, the result from this delayed action has been greater incoherence, with various now-overlapping posts from different threads making previously-straightforward discussions more difficult to follow.
In addition, thread-page numbers cited in a couple of earlier posts are now confusingly out‑of‑date, and the merging has also turned some previously-posted thread links into dead links.
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1. No need to look at those Di‑Faced Tenners on eBay for too long.
As stated by Man from Castle, they are counterfeit.
2. In case the tip is helpful, with links to eBay listings, look out for the relevant item number in the URL.
When the item number is followed by a question mark, both the question mark and everything afterwards can be removed, for a more concise URL:
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115794459821
3. After a listing has ended, most of the eBay platforms (including .com and .co.uk) delete the listing details after three months.
Going forward, especially with a dodgy seller, please consider also posting a screenshot of the listing, so that your post retains its value as a warning to forum members beyond this three-month period.
Typing out the user ID of a dishonest eBayer is helpful as well. This makes it easier for that username to be remembered by others, and it might also be picked up later on search-engine results pages.
4. Do check out some of the previous pages in this thread.
Pages 103‑108* have a fair amount of information about what to look out for with Banksy Di‑Faced Tenners.
They also mention some sellers/galleries that are worth avoiding.
[You will spot, for example, rather shrill posts by @mauriceuk — who is both dishonest (with a history of selling or trying to sell fake Banksy ephemera) and an ideal case study for the Dunning‑Kruger effect.
He deleted his account, just as he has done with many other accounts here, but keeps coming back under different guises.
Be wary of any current Netherlands-based member trying to sell a Di‑Faced Tenner. Or a Monkey Parliament poster. Or a Rude Snowman Christmas card.]
5. My suggestion would be to largely ignore the backstories that accompany any Di‑Faced Tenners you see for sale. In addition, avoid focusing too much on note dimensions and weight.
Simplest way to identify most fakes on the market:
Pay attention to Diana's face, keeping in mind that authentic notes are offset lithographs (and not inkjets, for example).
With the offset lithography printing process, you should be able to see the rosette patterns on Diana's face and elsewhere on the note.
When examined even closer (perhaps with the help of a magnifying glass), the individual CMYK dots in cyan, magenta, yellow, and black should also be clearly visible.
In cases where a seller hasn't provided in-focus, hi-res, close-ups of Diana's face, ask for them. And if the seller refuses this image request or unduly hesitates, then walk away.
6. Consider the eBay listing by stimulating‑things (a.k.a. Stimulating‑Creations), apparently named Charlie and based in the Bristol area.
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115794459821
Two notes for £450:
It is always worth checking an eBay seller's recently-completed listings.
In this instance, stimulating-things appears to have sold another pair of notes for £600 on 7 May 2023:
Next, let's take the best-quality photo from the listing, one that features Diana's face, then zoom in and juxtapose it with close‑ups of an authentic note in my possession.
For the images below, the close‑ups:
(i) on the left, are one of the fake notes being sold by stimulating‑things; and
(i) on the right, are of my own note.
7. Hopefully, the above will be of assistance.
The idea behind this post and plenty of others in the thread (including many currently found on pages 103‑108) is to give members the requisite knowledge — to teach them how to fish, if you will.
Those members then have all the necessary tools to make their own informed judgements about the authenticity of notes they come across, without further need for additional advice, guidance or hand-holding:
Informed independence > Ignorant dependence
Personally I’d be sceptical about any mint condition one that was sourced from one of the stunts. As a general preliminary comment, multiple threads on this topic appear to have been merged into a single thread by Admin, but sadly very late in the day — rather than promptly, after the duplicate threads were created, and before they started taking on extended lives of their own. Notwithstanding the intention of good housekeeping, the result from this delayed action has been greater incoherence, with various now-overlapping posts from different threads making previously-straightforward discussions more difficult to follow. In addition, thread-page numbers cited in a couple of earlier posts are now confusingly out‑of‑date, and the merging has also turned some previously-posted thread links into dead links. __________ yakyak1. No need to look at those Di‑Faced Tenners on eB ay for too long. As stated by Man from Castle, they are counterfeit. 2. In case the tip is helpful, with links to eB ay listings, look out for the relevant item number in the URL. When the item number is followed by a question mark, both the question mark and everything afterwards can be removed, for a more concise URL: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115794459821 3. After a listing has ended, most of the eB ay platforms (including .com and .co.uk) delete the listing details after three months. Going forward, especially with a dodgy seller, please consider also posting a screenshot of the listing, so that your post retains its value as a warning to fo rum members beyond this three-month period. Typing out the user ID of a dishonest eB ayer is helpful as well. This makes it easier for that username to be remembered by others, and it might also be picked up later on search-engine results pages. 4. Do check out some of the previous pages in this thread. Pages 103‑108* have a fair amount of information about what to look out for with Ban ksy Di‑Faced Tenners. They also mention some sellers/galleries that are worth avoiding. [You will spot, for example, rather shrill posts by @mauriceuk — who is both dishonest (with a history of selling or trying to sell fake Banksy ephemera) and an ideal case study for the Dunning‑Kruger effect.
He deleted his account, just as he has done with many other accounts here, but keeps coming back under different guises.
Be wary of any current Netherlands-based member trying to sell a Di‑Faced Tenner. Or a Monkey Parliament poster. Or a Rude Snowman Christmas card.]5. My suggestion would be to largely ignore the backstories that accompany any Di‑Faced Tenners you see for sale. In addition, avoid focusing too much on note dimensions and weight. Simplest way to identify most fakes on the market:Pay attention to Diana's face, keeping in mind that authentic notes are offset lithographs (and not inkjets, for example). With the offset lithography printing process, you should be able to see the rosette patterns on Diana's fa ce and elsewhere on the note. When examined even closer (perhaps with the help of a magnifying glass), the individual CMYK dots in cyan, magenta, yellow, and black should also be clearly visible. In cases where a seller hasn't provided in-focus, hi-res, close-ups of Diana's face, ask for them. And if the seller refuses this image request or unduly hesitates, then walk away. 6. Consider the eB ay listing by stimulating‑things (a.k.a. Stimulating‑Creations), apparently named Charlie and based in the Bris tol area. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115794459821Two notes for £450: It is always worth checking an eB ay seller's recently-completed listings. In this instance, stimulating-things appears to have sold another pair of notes for £600 on 7 May 2023: Next, let's take the best-quality photo from the listing, one that features Diana's fa ce, then zoom in and juxtapose it with close‑ups of an authentic note in my possession. For the images below, the close‑ups: (i) on the left, are one of the fake notes being sold by stimulating‑things; and (i) on the right, are of my own note. 7. Hopefully, the above will be of assistance. The idea behind this post and plenty of others in the thread (including many currently found on pages 103‑108) is to give members the requisite knowledge — to teach them how to fish, if you will. Those members then have all the necessary tools to make their own informed judgements about the authenticity of notes they come across, without further need for additional advice, guidance or hand-holding: Informed independence > Ignorant dependence
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Packers in Mexico, by met on May 13, 2023 2:58:03 GMT 1, Hi there Does anyone know any decent art packers in Mexico? Thanks in advance Anyone? Need to get a massive piece shipped from there.
Try reaching out to high-end galleries and museums in Mexico, or an art fair like Zona Maco, for their recommendations.
Take advantage of the local knowledge.
Hi there Does anyone know any decent art packers in Mexico? Thanks in advance Anyone? Need to get a massive piece shipped from there. Try reaching out to high-end galleries and museums in Mexico, or an art fair like Zona Maco, for their recommendations. Take advantage of the local knowledge.
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Glasgow Children's Hospital....one last time, by met on May 11, 2023 0:56:05 GMT 1, Bank Holiday delay in post meant a great delivery today for my @ gch_charity 33rpm Art Auction @mctears . [...] 5. Demand the Impossible. All the way from Bergen by dish_kunst who even decorated the inside of the packaging. It's a fantastic piece. [...]
Obvious to many, but perhaps not to everyone (especially those who may be of a younger generation, or lack the fashion, music and youth-culture reference points):
This is a portrait of the late, great Dame Vivienne Westwood:
L-R: Steve Jones, unknown, film critic Alan Jones, Chrissie Hynde, Jordan / Pamela Rooke, Vivienne Westwood, at Westwood and Malcolm McLaren's King's Road boutique, SEX*, 1976_Photo: David Dagley
Be Reasonable, Demand the Impossible is of course an appropriation of the well-known Paris 1968 slogan, Soyez réalistes, demandez l'impossible.
Bank Holiday delay in post meant a great delivery today for my @ gch_charity 33rpm Art Auction @mctears . [...] 5. Demand the Impossible. All the way from Bergen by dish_kunst who even decorated the inside of the packaging. It's a fantastic piece. [...] Obvious to many, but perhaps not to everyone (especially those who may be of a younger generation, or lack the fashion, music and youth-culture reference points): This is a portrait of the late, great Dame Vivienne Westwood: L-R: Steve Jones, unknown, film critic Alan Jones, Chrissie Hynde, Jordan / Pamela Rooke, Vivienne Westwood, at Westwood and Malcolm McLaren's King's Road boutique, SEX*, 1976_Photo: David DagleyBe Reasonable, Demand the Impossible is of course an appropriation of the well-known Pa ris 1968 slogan, Soyez réalistes, demandez l'impossible.
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SALVADOR DALI, 'Horse of Death, by met on May 10, 2023 22:39:22 GMT 1, SALVADOR DALI, 1904 - 1989, A SIGNED ARTIST PROOF LITHOGRAPH PRINT Titled 'Horse of Death', skeleton rider with horse, signed in pencil to margin and marked 'EA', framed and glazed. (approx 35.5cm x 56cm) Condition: good [...]
Collectors with a basic knowledge of Salvador Dalí's history will be well aware of the minefield that is the artist's print market.
For any novice enthusiasts on this message board, Google "Dali" along with "fake prints" and/or "art fraud", and read some of the articles that pop up.
You can also check out Lee Catterall's book, The Great Dalí Art Fraud & Other Deceptions (1992).
As a general precaution, I suggest avoiding any prints that are not expressly referred to (being sure to make note of all relevant details, including dimensions and edition sizes) in at least one of the following publications:
(i) Albert Field: The Official Catalog of the Graphic Works of Salvador Dali (1996);
(ii) Ralf Michler and Lutz W. Löpsinger: DALI: Catalogue Raisonné of Etchings and Mixed-Media Prints, 1924-1980 (1993); and
(iii) Ralf Michler and Lutz W. Löpsinger: DALI: Catalogue Raisonné of Prints II. Lithographs and Wood Engravings 1956-1980 (1995).
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I believe the signed artist's proof (épreuve d'artiste) in this thread to be fake.
It was also a passed lot last week at Swan Fine Art Auctions* in Tetsworth, Oxfordshire.
If any potential buyer is fond of the image, Le Chevalier de la Mort, my recommendation would be to save up and focus on the recognised, signed and numbered limited edition of 250 — released in 1972 in a larger format (about 65 x 50 cm), as part of The Dalinean Horses portfolio of 25 embossed lithographs, published by Simeon Wajntraub and Jacques Carpentier.
SALVADOR DALI, 1904 - 1989, A SIGNED ARTIST PROOF LITHOGRAPH PRINT Titled 'Horse of Death', skeleton rider with horse, signed in pencil to margin and marked 'EA', framed and glazed. (approx 35.5cm x 56cm) Condition: good [...] Collectors with a basic knowledge of Salvador Dalí's history will be well aware of the minefield that is the artist's print market. For any novice enthusiasts on this message board, Google "Dali" along with "fake prints" and/or "art fraud", and read some of the articles that pop up. You can also check out Lee Catterall's book, The Great Dalí Art Fraud & Other Deceptions (1992). As a general precaution, I suggest avoiding any prints that are not expressly referred to (being sure to make note of all relevant details, including dimensions and edition sizes) in at least one of the following publications: (i) Albert Field: The Official Catalog of the Graphic Works of Salvador Dali (1996); (ii) Ralf Michler and Lutz W. Löpsinger: DALI: Catalogue Raisonné of Etchings and Mixed-Media Prints, 1924-1980 (1993); and (iii) Ralf Michler and Lutz W. Löpsinger: DALI: Catalogue Raisonné of Prints II. Lithographs and Wood Engravings 1956-1980 (1995). __________ I believe the signed artist's proof (épreuve d'artiste) in this thread to be fake. It was also a passed lot last week at Swan Fine Art Auctions * in Tetsworth, Oxfordshire. If any potential buyer is fond of the image, Le Chevalier de la Mort, my recommendation would be to save up and focus on the recognised, signed and numbered limited edition of 250 — released in 1972 in a larger format (about 65 x 50 cm), as part of The Dalinean Horses portfolio of 25 embossed lithographs, published by Simeon Wajntraub and Jacques Carpentier.
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479 SALVADOR DALI, 'Centaur De Crete', by met on May 10, 2023 22:38:59 GMT 1, SALVADOR DALI, 1904 - 1989, A SIGNED LITHOGRAPH PRINT Titled 'Centaur De Crete', mythological half man and half horse figure, signed in pencil to margin. (approx 35.5cm x 56cm) Condition: good [...]
Collectors with a basic knowledge of Salvador Dalí's history will be well aware of the minefield that is the artist's print market.
For any novice enthusiasts on this message board, Google "Dali" along with "fake prints" and/or "art fraud", and read some of the articles that pop up.
You can also check out Lee Catterall's book, The Great Dalí Art Fraud & Other Deceptions (1992).
As a general precaution, I suggest avoiding any prints that are not expressly referred to (being sure to make note of all relevant details, including dimensions and edition sizes) in at least one of the following publications:
(i) Albert Field: The Official Catalog of the Graphic Works of Salvador Dali (1996);
(ii) Ralf Michler and Lutz W. Löpsinger: DALI: Catalogue Raisonné of Etchings and Mixed-Media Prints, 1924-1980 (1993); and
(iii) Ralf Michler and Lutz W. Löpsinger: DALI: Catalogue Raisonné of Prints II. Lithographs and Wood Engravings 1956-1980 (1995).
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I believe the signed print in this thread to be fake.
It was also a passed lot last week at Swan Fine Art Auctions* in Tetsworth, Oxfordshire.
If any potential buyer is fond of the image, Le Centaure de Crête, my recommendation would be to save up and focus on the recognised, signed and numbered limited edition of 250 — released in 1972 in a larger format (about 65 x 50 cm), as part of The Dalinean Horses portfolio of 25 embossed lithographs, published by Simeon Wajntraub and Jacques Carpentier.
SALVADOR DALI, 1904 - 1989, A SIGNED LITHOGRAPH PRINT Titled 'Centaur De Crete', mythological half man and half horse figure, signed in pencil to margin. (approx 35.5cm x 56cm) Condition: good [...] Collectors with a basic knowledge of Salvador Dalí's history will be well aware of the minefield that is the artist's print market. For any novice enthusiasts on this message board, Google "Dali" along with "fake prints" and/or "art fraud", and read some of the articles that pop up. You can also check out Lee Catterall's book, The Great Dalí Art Fraud & Other Deceptions (1992). As a general precaution, I suggest avoiding any prints that are not expressly referred to (being sure to make note of all relevant details, including dimensions and edition sizes) in at least one of the following publications: (i) Albert Field: The Official Catalog of the Graphic Works of Salvador Dali (1996); (ii) Ralf Michler and Lutz W. Löpsinger: DALI: Catalogue Raisonné of Etchings and Mixed-Media Prints, 1924-1980 (1993); and (iii) Ralf Michler and Lutz W. Löpsinger: DALI: Catalogue Raisonné of Prints II. Lithographs and Wood Engravings 1956-1980 (1995). __________ I believe the signed print in this thread to be fake. It was also a passed lot last week at Swan Fine Art Auctions * in Tetsworth, Oxfordshire. If any potential buyer is fond of the image, Le Centaure de Crête, my recommendation would be to save up and focus on the recognised, signed and numbered limited edition of 250 — released in 1972 in a larger format (about 65 x 50 cm), as part of The Dalinean Horses portfolio of 25 embossed lithographs, published by Simeon Wajntraub and Jacques Carpentier.
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James Joyce 🇬🇧 New Print Release • Exhibition News , by met on May 10, 2023 20:06:35 GMT 1, James Joyce. It would be tragic if it wasn’t funny 55cm x 75cm A/P signed £250 dm for pics location London can ship worldwide still available.
Good to see an artist with integrity, one who actually numbers their artist's proofs.
This should of course be the norm, just as it was for decades in the industry — so that everyone knows the full size of a released edition, proofs included.
But with a number of newer artists and their less-than-reputable publishers, including the likes of Graffiti Prints, such transparency has sadly become a rarer commodity, leaving the field wide open for dodginess and shenanigans.
James Joyce. It would be tragic if it wasn’t funny 55cm x 75cm A/P signed £250 dm for pics location London can ship worldwide still available. Good to see an artist with integrity, one who actually numbers their artist's proofs. This should of course be the norm, just as it was for decades in the industry — so that everyone knows the full size of a released edition, proofs included. But with a number of newer artists and their less-than-reputable publishers, including the likes of Graf fiti Prints, such transparency has sadly become a rarer commodity, leaving the field wide open for dodginess and shenanigans.
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'Banksy' piece at The Greatest Auction , by met on May 10, 2023 19:30:11 GMT 1,
This wasn't a real Banksy. It was sprayed around 2014 under Banksys looping aeroplane in Liverpool and was a response to a real Banksy rat he did in around 2004 with the text "Never liked the Beatles", also in Liverpool. Guess it hit a nerve.
Even if the biplane rat had, from a technical standpoint, been perfectly executed, no Banksy enthusiast using their brain should have hesitated to describe it as a fake or an ironic homage.
Regardless of their level of experience, for anyone to have thought the piece could be authentic is evidence of their failure to understand the sensibility of the artist.
Because believing it might be genuine would require also believing that Banksy would ever refer to his work or to himself in the third person — like some self‑indulgent prat suffering from the street‑art equivalent of Mott the Hoople syndrome.
This wasn't a real Banksy. It was sprayed around 2014 under Banksys looping aeroplane in Liverpool and was a response to a real Banksy rat he did in around 2004 with the text "Never liked the Beatles", also in Liverpool. Guess it hit a nerve. Even if the biplane rat had, from a technical standpoint, been perfectly executed, no Ban ksy enthusiast using their brain should have hesitated to describe it as a fake or an ironic homage. Regardless of their level of experience, for anyone to have thought the piece could be authentic is evidence of their failure to understand the sensibility of the artist. Because believing it might be genuine would require also believing that Ban ksy would ever refer to his work or to himself in the third person — like some self‑indulgent prat suffering from the str eet‑art equivalent of Mott the Hoople syndrome.
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EBay £9.99 start price x ten listings , by met on May 6, 2023 16:34:23 GMT 1, What happened with the Nick Smith print? Sold for £300 on Wednesday (auction). Now listed for £549.99 (BIN)
Same story with the penny
It’s the third time you’ve listed one of the Penny’s - seems very sketchy and instantly reposted them as well didn’t even give the buyer a clear chance to pay Really seems sketchy I’m sure the penny’s are genuine because anyone who could fake them well would be known Artist in their own right but it’s just looks super shady the way these auctions have gone down. It sells for £820 and you list for £599 buy it now just seems very odd man.
1. Consider the details that are still publicly visible on eBay for completed auctions* by the eBay account, doolally12345.
This would include the various Bidding history pages which (especially when viewed in aggregate) show repeated, unusual bidding activity for many of the auctions, most obviously for those that had low starting prices.
2. Consider the multiple relistings by the seller, sometimes:
(i) immediate, i.e. before even the expiry of the four days that eBay gives winning bidders to pay for their items; and
(ii) with Buy‑it‑now prices way out of sync with the winning-bid amounts in the seller's previous auctions for the very same items.
3. Consider the frankly implausible excuses offered by the seller, and also only after concerns were raised here about their auction anomalies.
On the balance of probabilities, shill bidding seems the most likely explanation.
Using a cool head and detached objectivity, it is up to each forum member to make their own decision about Art Attackkk, between:
(a) continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt; or
(b) based on the compelling available evidence, concluding he is dishonest at heart, trying to take buyers for fools — and at times succeeding in doing so.
What happened with the Nick Smith print? Sold for £300 on Wednesday (auction). Now listed for £549.99 (BIN) Same story with the penny It’s the third time you’ve listed one of the Penny’s - seems very sketchy and instantly reposted them as well didn’t even give the buyer a clear chance to pay Really seems sketchy I’m sure the penny’s are genuine because anyone who could fake them well would be known Artist in their own right but it’s just looks super shady the way these auctions have gone down. It sells for £820 and you list for £599 buy it now just seems very odd man. 1. Consider the details that are still publicly visible on eB ay for completed auctions * by the eB ay account, doolally12345. This would include the various Bidding history pages which (especially when viewed in aggregate) show repeated, unusual bidding activity for many of the auctions, most obviously for those that had low starting prices. 2. Consider the multiple relistings by the seller, sometimes: (i) immediate, i.e. before even the expiry of the four days that eB ay gives winning bidders to pay for their items; and (ii) with Buy‑it‑now prices way out of sync with the winning-bid amounts in the seller's previous auctions for the very same items. 3. Consider the frankly implausible excuses offered by the seller, and also only after concerns were raised here about their auction anomalies. On the balance of probabilities, shill bidding seems the most likely explanation. Using a cool head and detached objectivity, it is up to each fo rum member to make their own decision about Art Attackkk, between: (a) continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt; or (b) based on the compelling available evidence, concluding he is dishonest at heart, trying to take buyers for fools — and at times succeeding in doing so.
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Javier Calleja 🇪🇸 Málaga, Spain • Drawings • Sculture, by met on May 5, 2023 14:55:47 GMT 1, Selling a new , boxed pair of the original colour pop top vases DM me sensible offer.
I am not entirely convinced the forum's demographic is best suited to this sale.
But I could easily be wrong.
In which case, a ballpark indication of how much you're looking to receive might be helpful. To better manage expectations.
If a potential buyer wanted to secure a deal, would they, for example, need to hand over one week's worth of their allowance / pocket money — or are we talking closer to two weeks' worth?
Selling a new , boxed pair of the original colour pop top vases DM me sensible offer. I am not entirely convinced the fo rum's demographic is best suited to this sale. But I could easily be wrong. In which case, a ballpark indication of how much you're looking to receive might be helpful. To better manage expectations. If a potential buyer wanted to secure a deal, would they, for example, need to hand over one week's worth of their allowance / pocket money — or are we talking closer to two weeks' worth?
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EBay £9.99 start price x ten listings , by met on May 4, 2023 18:19:55 GMT 1, Dear met, after viewing your other posts I’m assuming with your forensic knowledge of it’s seems pretty much everything and anything, you must actually work for the metropolitan police, hence the name? I can tell from your eloquence, grammar, punctuation and spelling that you must have had a very good education, but that doesn’t make you an expert of everything and anything. I didn’t respond to your previous message about the mr brainwash madonna paster as you kind of lost the argument when you said you weren’t a fan of mr b’s work and didn’t actually have any of his work, BUT then carried on with a seemingly vast in-depth knowledge of his paint-strokes, signature, the blotches on Madonna’s neck and numerous other things, which clearly if you say are not correct as a non-expert must mean this is therefore a fake. I’ve been on this earth for long enough to sometimes not bother responding to people, as arguing with some people is like arguing with a seagull - you are never going to win the argument and they will always shit on your head. For your information I did contact mr b however never received a response as I’ve told numerous people who contacted me wanting to know the history via eBay messages, as I did ask for this on my previous post. I’m sure if I was an artist and was contacted by someone selling their work on eBay when they would get no ARR for this, I certainly wouldn’t be very helpful in confirming its authenticity. Maybe selling something at an auction house when they would get 4% for the help may warrant a response? At the end of the day, buyers on eBay have full eBay protection, so if by any slim chance this isn’t genuine then eBay protect the buyer. Unfortunately you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this when you have already said you aren’t an expert. I’m not an expert on the lives of partula snails in Polynesia so wouldn’t offer my opinion and argue with someone who was, by telling them the snail was actually a slug. I have many pieces by mr brainwash and so I would consider myself more of an expert than you. His signatures vary hugely for example. You commented before about some of the blurry photos on the eBay listing, which you assumed I was therefore hiding something, so I added more photos as you requested. If anyone has any questions for me on this or any of my other listings, please contact me via eBay for those that have bids, or on here or eBay for those without bids as I previously asked. There is then a history of conversations for your eBay protection. Good luck again for anyone who decides to take a risk on these when someone randomly decides and accuses someone of selling something that is fake without actually really having any knowledge of the artist or indeed the history of said piece. Enjoy the rest of your weekend 😁
Your disingenuousness and doubling down are unfortunate, but not surprising.
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There is little point in continuing a discussion when one's counterpart is responding in bad faith.
But for the benefit of other members who take an interest in fraudsters and their tactics, I'll continue to post about this matter next week or so in the original sales thread:
urbanartassociation.com/thread/183745/thierry-noir-smith-fanakapan-penny
In addition, I will walk through some basic due diligence checks — each, in its own right, allowing the Mr Brainwash paster of Madonna to be identified as an obvious counterfeit with a fake signature.
And just for emphasis on this point, a 12-year-old or an intelligent monkey could have carried out these checks themselves. So the likelihood of innocent ignorance on the part of Art Attackkk is just too low to be credible. Because nobody here is that stupid.
It is also worth keeping in mind his continued efforts to offload the counterfeit on eBay, along with the attempts to cover his tracks by deleting some of his posts in the original thread, after the fakery was expressly brought to his attention.
Those are hardly the actions of an honest seller.
Dear met, after viewing your other posts I’m assuming with your forensic knowledge of it’s seems pretty much everything and anything, you must actually work for the metropolitan police, hence the name? I can tell from your eloquence, grammar, punctuation and spelling that you must have had a very good education, but that doesn’t make you an expert of everything and anything. I didn’t respond to your previous message about the mr brainwash madonna paster as you kind of lost the argument when you said you weren’t a fan of mr b’s work and didn’t actually have any of his work, BUT then carried on with a seemingly vast in-depth knowledge of his paint-strokes, signature, the blotches on Madonna’s neck and numerous other things, which clearly if you say are not correct as a non-expert must mean this is therefore a fake. I’ve been on this earth for long enough to sometimes not bother responding to people, as arguing with some people is like arguing with a seagull - you are never going to win the argument and they will always shit on your head. For your information I did contact mr b however never received a response as I’ve told numerous people who contacted me wanting to know the history via eBay messages, as I did ask for this on my previous post. I’m sure if I was an artist and was contacted by someone selling their work on eBay when they would get no ARR for this, I certainly wouldn’t be very helpful in confirming its authenticity. Maybe selling something at an auction house when they would get 4% for the help may warrant a response? At the end of the day, buyers on eBay have full eBay protection, so if by any slim chance this isn’t genuine then eBay protect the buyer. Unfortunately you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this when you have already said you aren’t an expert. I’m not an expert on the lives of partula snails in Polynesia so wouldn’t offer my opinion and argue with someone who was, by telling them the snail was actually a slug. I have many pieces by mr brainwash and so I would consider myself more of an expert than you. His signatures vary hugely for example. You commented before about some of the blurry photos on the eBay listing, which you assumed I was therefore hiding something, so I added more photos as you requested. If anyone has any questions for me on this or any of my other listings, please contact me via eBay for those that have bids, or on here or eBay for those without bids as I previously asked. There is then a history of conversations for your eBay protection. Good luck again for anyone who decides to take a risk on these when someone randomly decides and accuses someone of selling something that is fake without actually really having any knowledge of the artist or indeed the history of said piece. Enjoy the rest of your weekend 😁 Your disingenuousness and doubling down are unfortunate, but not surprising. __________ There is little point in continuing a discussion when one's counterpart is responding in bad faith. But for the benefit of other members who take an interest in fraudsters and their tactics, I'll continue to post about this matter next week or so in the original sales thread: urbanartassociation.com/thread/183745/thierry-noir-smith-fanakapan-pennyIn addition, I will walk through some basic due diligence checks — each, in its own right, allowing the Mr Brain wash paster of Madonna to be identified as an obvious counterfeit with a fake signature. And just for emphasis on this point, a 12-year-old or an intelligent monkey could have carried out these checks themselves. So the likelihood of innocent ignorance on the part of Art Attackkk is just too low to be credible. Because nobody here is that stupid. It is also worth keeping in mind his continued efforts to offload the counterfeit on eB ay, along with the attempts to cover his tracks by deleting some of his posts in the original thread, after the fakery was expressly brought to his attention. Those are hardly the actions of an honest seller.
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Keith Haring Lagit or Fake? Please Help me, by met on May 2, 2023 17:31:22 GMT 1, Can anyone help me... are these drawings original? what value can they have? the seller has no other documents but only the two works. thank you [...]
Obvious fakes.
Get your money back immediately. You have been defrauded.
I strongly recommend keeping away from the Haring market for the time being.
Because you lack sufficient knowledge to protect yourself from being scammed.
Can anyone help me... are these drawings original? what value can they have? the seller has no other documents but only the two works. thank you [...] Obvious fakes. Get your money back immediately. You have been defrauded. I strongly recommend keeping away from the Ha ring market for the time being. Because you lack sufficient knowledge to protect yourself from being scammed.
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EBay £9.99 start price x ten listings , by met on Apr 30, 2023 11:38:56 GMT 1, I’ve listed a few things on eBay as these will never make the wall. There are ten that I’ve listed with a starting price of £9.99 so you could grab a bargain. Listings end in 6-10 days so you’ve a while yet. links to a few of them below, but you can see the others by clicking on “see other items”. Open to offers on eBay or here for any that haven’t had bids already placed on them. Any questions around the ones with bids please message me on eBay. Any questions for those listings without bids you can ask me here or via eBay. Ben eine riot www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354741007581nick smith psycolourgy second edition www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354738688260Penny stencil note www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354741007197good luck!
User error - sorry but eBay set the shipping prices as I use their global shipping programme for non UK shipping as they cover insurance and collection of local taxes, so that price depends on how much you bid I think, but then you shouldn’t have the worry about having to pay US import taxes. It should explain all of this as I’ve bought things from eBay from sellers in the US and it makes it clear when I bid or send an offer that the shipping cost includes UK import tax and shipping. Octopus UK - sorry, I thought I’d made clear that for any of the listed items that HAD been bid on I couldn’t accept offers on eBay or here, as the auction has to run its course. For any of my listing that HAVE NOT had a bid placed, I’m happy to accept an offer on eBay or directly on here via a PM. Some people like the protection of eBay so prefer to buy off there rather than a stranger off here, so I’ve given people the option. I’ve got a low value eBay sellers fee atm so I’m not really fussed where I sell as won’t have to pay eBay their usual high seller fees. Let me know if you need any more info. Thanks. This link below is probably more useful as shows ALL my listings including the ten that started @ £9.99. www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?item=354734454437&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562&_ssn=doolally12345
Art Attackkk / doolally12345*
Have you considered responding to comments in your previous thread about the counterfeits you were/are selling?
urbanartassociation.com/thread/183745/thierry-noir-smith-fanakapan-penny
Taking the example of the Madonna paster, that piece was shown beyond a reasonable doubt to be a fake Mr Brainwash with a fake signature.
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In this kind of situation, when a seller can no longer rely on deniability, i.e. the pretense of innocent ignorance, they will quite often take a longer break from trying to sell the fakes in their collection — allowing more time for the dust to settle.
In your case, however, you just decided to:
(i) delete a few of your posts in your previous thread, including the opening post (which highlights why members should always think about making use of the quote option, to better preserve the historical record);
(ii) ignore the last comments in your previous thread that raised authenticity concerns about some of your sale items;
(iii) wait about seven weeks before starting a completely new thread, as if nothing ever happened; and
(iv) yet again, relist your items on eBay, including the very same fake signed Mr Brainwash paster of Madonna.
This is regrettable. Because it demonstrates you are knowingly trying to pass off a counterfeit as genuine.
Granted, there will always be potential buyers who really are ignorant or stupid.
But it seems like you assumed everyone on this message board has the memory of a goldfish — or that nobody here would be willing to step up, put their head above the parapet, and call you out one more time.
I’ve listed a few things on eBay as these will never make the wall. There are ten that I’ve listed with a starting price of £9.99 so you could grab a bargain. Listings end in 6-10 days so you’ve a while yet. links to a few of them below, but you can see the others by clicking on “see other items”. Open to offers on eBay or here for any that haven’t had bids already placed on them. Any questions around the ones with bids please message me on eBay. Any questions for those listings without bids you can ask me here or via eBay. Ben eine riot www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354741007581nick smith psycolourgy second edition www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354738688260Penny stencil note www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354741007197good luck! User error - sorry but eBay set the shipping prices as I use their global shipping programme for non UK shipping as they cover insurance and collection of local taxes, so that price depends on how much you bid I think, but then you shouldn’t have the worry about having to pay US import taxes. It should explain all of this as I’ve bought things from eBay from sellers in the US and it makes it clear when I bid or send an offer that the shipping cost includes UK import tax and shipping. Octopus UK - sorry, I thought I’d made clear that for any of the listed items that HAD been bid on I couldn’t accept offers on eBay or here, as the auction has to run its course. For any of my listing that HAVE NOT had a bid placed, I’m happy to accept an offer on eBay or directly on here via a PM. Some people like the protection of eBay so prefer to buy off there rather than a stranger off here, so I’ve given people the option. I’ve got a low value eBay sellers fee atm so I’m not really fussed where I sell as won’t have to pay eBay their usual high seller fees. Let me know if you need any more info. Thanks. This link below is probably more useful as shows ALL my listings including the ten that started @ £9.99. www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?item=354734454437&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562&_ssn=doolally12345 Art Attackkk / doolally12345 *Have you considered responding to comments in your previous thread about the counterfeits you were/are selling? urbanartassociation.com/thread/183745/thierry-noir-smith-fanakapan-pennyTaking the example of the Madonna paster, that piece was shown beyond a reasonable doubt to be a fake Mr Brainwash with a fake signature. __________ In this kind of situation, when a seller can no longer rely on deniability, i.e. the pretense of innocent ignorance, they will quite often take a longer break from trying to sell the fakes in their collection — allowing more time for the dust to settle. In your case, however, you just decided to: (i) delete a few of your posts in your previous thread, including the opening post (which highlights why members should always think about making use of the quote option, to better preserve the historical record); (ii) ignore the last comments in your previous thread that raised authenticity concerns about some of your sale items; (iii) wait about seven weeks before starting a completely new thread, as if nothing ever happened; and (iv) yet again, relist your items on eB ay, including the very same fake signed Mr Brainwash paster of Madonna. This is regrettable. Because it demonstrates you are knowingly trying to pass off a counterfeit as genuine. Granted, there will always be potential buyers who really are ignorant or stupid. But it seems like you assumed everyone on this message board has the memory of a goldfish — or that nobody here would be willing to step up, put their head above the parapet, and call you out one more time.
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The Next Banksy Project?, by met on Apr 29, 2023 21:38:09 GMT 1, Cheer up you missable sod … and I apologise for the grammar … it wasn’t my intention to try and post a master piece it was just a bit of light hearted fun … this place 😂😂😂
Try embracing any criticism your art receives. Welcome it.
Whether positive or negative, honest feedback always has value.
Consider its potential merits, like every artist should if they have a desire to improve. You might learn something, get fresh ideas, reassess and view things from a different perspective, be encouraged to think your future concepts through more carefully before execution, and/or feel a pride-based need to up your game.
Make the most of these opportunities.
When it comes to the appraisal of your work, online strangers are probably more likely to be straight with you (even if only through silence) than your family and friends in the real world.
Cheer up you missable sod … and I apologise for the grammar … it wasn’t my intention to try and post a master piece it was just a bit of light hearted fun … this place 😂😂😂 Try embracing any criticism your art receives. Welcome it.Whether positive or negative, honest feedback always has value. Consider its potential merits, like every artist should if they have a desire to improve. You might learn something, get fresh ideas, reassess and view things from a different perspective, be encouraged to think your future concepts through more carefully before execution, and/or feel a pride-based need to up your game. Make the most of these opportunities. When it comes to the appraisal of your work, online strangers are probably more likely to be straight with you (even if only through silence) than your family and friends in the real world.
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Be Kind Penguin • Artist on Instagram, by met on Apr 29, 2023 15:19:39 GMT 1,
Apologies for my ignorance, but I am not sure what you mean.
I would be grateful if you could clarify:
(a) specifically which peace movements you're referring to; and
(b) what stance they hold that is hypocritical.
Apologies for my ignorance, but I am not sure what you mean. I would be grateful if you could clarify: (a) specifically which peace movements you're referring to; and (b) what stance they hold that is hypocritical.
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Show everyone your latest Art Purchase?, by met on Apr 29, 2023 15:01:41 GMT 1, Tomas Harker Dead Elvis Love this painting
It is likely that you spotted the art-historical reference with Elvis Skull at the time of your purchase.
But for the benefit of members who are less observant, the painting appears to be a parody of, or at least a nod to, Head of a Skeleton with a Burning Cigarette.
Tomas Harker (2019)
Vincent van Gogh (1886)
Tomas Harker Dead Elvis Love this painting It is likely that you spotted the art-historical reference with Elvis Skull at the time of your purchase. But for the benefit of members who are less observant, the painting appears to be a parody of, or at least a nod to, Head of a Skeleton with a Burning Cigarette. Tomas Harker (2019)Vincent van Gogh (1886)
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Keith Haring • Crack Down, by met on Apr 29, 2023 10:07:06 GMT 1, Keith Haring Crack Down poster for sale Mint condition 1st printing stored in acid free file comes with provenance £110 plus postage
Just in case you're unaware, this Keith Haring poster remains available at source, Wolfgang's in Nevada, currently retailing for US $94.00 (approx. £75.00 at the time of posting):
www.wolfgangs.com/posters/crack-down-benefit/poster/MSG861031.html
Keith Haring Crack Down poster for sale Mint condition 1st printing stored in acid free file comes with provenance £110 plus postage Just in case you're unaware, this Keith Har ing poster remains available at source, Wolfgang's in Nevada, currently retailing for US $94.00 (approx. £75.00 at the time of posting): www.wolfgangs.com/posters/crack-down-benefit/poster/MSG861031.html
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Best shipping company to send Insured for £1k from UK to US , by met on Apr 29, 2023 9:49:36 GMT 1, While you might feel secure with a service supported by Parcel to Go, make sure you read the small print. You could end up paying for insurance that's completely invalid. See the following from p2g; No Protection items: The following items (or any item similar in description or content) can only be carried on a no-protection basis on any service. Any person sending such an item does so at their own risk: Ceramics / Porcelain / China / Stone / Granite / Marble Glass Items Of Any Type - Including Glassware, Crystal, Bulbs, Screens, Fiberglass, Fish Tanks, Mirrors, Spectacles, Windows, Perspex Packaging - Including The Box, Media Packaging, Suitcases Used As Packaging Precious Metals And Stones - Including Gold, Silver, Gems, Diamond - Including In Jewellery Form Small Vehicle Parts Including Headlights, Taillights, Gearboxes Watches
Thank you for the reminder.
Indeed, this point was a glaring omission from my initial post.
Always read the exclusion clauses if placing any reliance on insurance.
Courier companies and intermediary platforms like Parcel2Go can easily instill a false sense of security — encouraging their customers to think they're covered or partly covered, and even allowing those customers to senselessly pay extra for additional insurance.
But, as mentioned in a separate thread*, if a problem later arises and a customer then files a claim, it is at that moment they will be pointed to the relevant exclusion clause in their contract.
The onus is always on each individual to do their own due diligence and ensure they aren't taking out insurance on excluded items. Perhaps unjustly, a courier company or intermediary platform has no duty to warn its customers when, through ignorance, the latter choose to waste their money on invalid insurance.
Artwork, watches and jewellery are commonly-excluded items.
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In this particular case, with Parcel2Go's exclusion of Perspex, things do not look very promising insurance-wise:
www.parcel2go.com/prohibited-items
Options available will then include:
(i) first seeking express clarification in writing from a senior and duly-authorised representative of Parcel2Go (regarding the insurance status of the Perspex-framed music award) before moving forward;
(ii) taking the risk of shipping uninsured; or
(iii) finding a more specialised courier — perhaps one whose focus is art and antiques — that expressly agrees to insure the Perspex-framed music award (no doubt at additional cost, and possibly significant additional cost).
While you might feel secure with a service supported by Parcel to Go, make sure you read the small print. You could end up paying for insurance that's completely invalid. See the following from p2g; No Protection items: The following items (or any item similar in description or content) can only be carried on a no-protection basis on any service. Any person sending such an item does so at their own risk: Ceramics / Porcelain / China / Stone / Granite / Marble Glass Items Of Any Type - Including Glassware, Crystal, Bulbs, Screens, Fiberglass, Fish Tanks, Mirrors, Spectacles, Windows, Perspex Packaging - Including The Box, Media Packaging, Suitcases Used As Packaging Precious Metals And Stones - Including Gold, Silver, Gems, Diamond - Including In Jewellery Form Small Vehicle Parts Including Headlights, Taillights, Gearboxes Watches Thank you for the reminder. Indeed, this point was a glaring omission from my initial post. Always read the exclusion clauses if placing any reliance on insurance.Courier companies and intermediary platforms like Parcel2Go can easily instill a false sense of security — encouraging their customers to think they're covered or partly covered, and even allowing those customers to senselessly pay extra for additional insurance. But, as mentioned in a separate thread *, if a problem later arises and a customer then files a claim, it is at that moment they will be pointed to the relevant exclusion clause in their contract. The onus is always on each individual to do their own due diligence and ensure they aren't taking out insurance on excluded items. Perhaps unjustly, a courier company or intermediary platform has no duty to warn its customers when, through ignorance, the latter choose to waste their money on invalid insurance. Artwork, watches and jewellery are commonly-excluded items. __________ In this particular case, with Parcel2Go's exclusion of Perspex, things do not look very promising insurance-wise: www.parcel2go.com/prohibited-itemsOptions available will then include: (i) first seeking express clarification in writing from a senior and duly-authorised representative of Parcel2Go (regarding the insurance status of the Perspex-framed music award) before moving forward; (ii) taking the risk of shipping uninsured; or (iii) finding a more specialised courier — perhaps one whose focus is art and antiques — that expressly agrees to insure the Perspex-framed music award (no doubt at additional cost, and possibly significant additional cost).
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Best shipping company to send Insured for £1k from UK to US , by met on Apr 29, 2023 1:04:01 GMT 1, Hi all i need to ship a music award, it’s framed with Perspex just wondered who is the best value to ship with? UK to USA insured for £1,000 thanks In advance
There probably isn't one answer, since multiple factors can influence in different ways the rates charged by various courier companies — including the dimensions of your parcel, its weight, the proposed date of shipment, and the speed of service required.
Note that "best value" typically translates into longer delivery times, meaning an increased risk of loss, damage or destruction in transit. This could then end up being a false economy for you.
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One of the most obvious first ports of call is a courier-comparison website.
Did you try one of those already? If not, why not?
Remember that knocking and bashing in transit is inevitable.
It would be best to therefore work on the assumption that, during its journey, the parcel that will contain your music award will be thrown with force against hard surfaces or jagged edges a few times. Make sure to package your music award accordingly — using suitably-robust cardboard (possibly more than one layer thereof), along with sufficient buffer space inside that is stuffed with crumpled brown paper and/or bubble wrap.
Now determine the dimensions and weight of your parcel, and fill in those details and the destination country (USA) on a comparison site like Parcel2Go.com:
www.parcel2go.com/
Next, click 'Quote & Book' to see what your options are with companies like Evri, DPD, Parcelforce and FedEx. You can list the results by:
(a) speed of delivery (Express, Economy, or Super Economy); (b) price; or (c) the ratings of the courier companies.
While the default level of insurance on Parcel2Go is typically £25 or £50, additional protection (up to £5,000) can be added to your order during the booking process.
Hi all i need to ship a music award, it’s framed with Perspex just wondered who is the best value to ship with? UK to USA insured for £1,000 thanks In advance There probably isn't one answer, since multiple factors can influence in different ways the rates charged by various courier companies — including the dimensions of your parcel, its weight, the proposed date of shipment, and the speed of service required. Note that "best value" typically translates into longer delivery times, meaning an increased risk of loss, damage or destruction in transit. This could then end up being a false economy for you. __________ One of the most obvious first ports of call is a courier-comparison website. Did you try one of those already? If not, why not? Remember that knocking and bashing in transit is inevitable. It would be best to therefore work on the assumption that, during its journey, the parcel that will contain your music award will be thrown with force against hard surfaces or jagged edges a few times. Make sure to package your music award accordingly — using suitably-robust cardboard (possibly more than one layer thereof), along with sufficient buffer space inside that is stuffed with crumpled brown paper and/or bubble wrap. Now determine the dimensions and weight of your parcel, and fill in those details and the destination country (USA) on a comparison site like Parcel2Go.com: www.parcel2go.com/Next, click 'Quote & Book' to see what your options are with companies like Evri, DPD, Parcelforce and FedEx. You can list the results by: (a) speed of delivery (Express, Economy, or Super Economy); (b) price; or (c) the ratings of the courier companies. While the default level of insurance on Parcel2Go is typically £25 or £50, additional protection (up to £5,000) can be added to your order during the booking process.
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JR - LES ENFANTS D'OURANOS, LUNE, 2023, by met on Apr 27, 2023 9:33:37 GMT 1, Hi All, Writing about JR's latest hand-finished prints: Les Enfants d'Ouranos, Lune, 2023 Dimensions: 57 x 47 x 4 cm - 22.4 x 18.5 x 1.6 inches approx. Technique: 2 colors lithograph with multiple black layers printed on Marinoni machine & manual collage Paper: White paper BFK Rives - 300 grammes Numbered /50 on the bottom left corner Signed by JR on the bottom right corner (embossed and lead) Lithograph sold framed Release prince: €3,800 (Sold out on JR's website) Did some of you manage to cop it?
If this was guess the artist, JR wouldn't have made my list. Icy and Sot?
JR is occasionally prone to releasing this kind of insipid, rather mawkish imagery.
Unfortunate, in my view, as if aiming for mass-market appeal. In other words, lowest common denominator. And suitable for high street galleries or Athena-style poster shops.
Icy and Sot previously also indulged in soppiness, especially with their frequent, clichéd use of children as subject matters.
But their more recent work has been of greater interest — significantly stronger and more mature (in particular, their conceptually-simple sculptures and installations).
In this instance with Les Enfants d'Ouranos, Lune, I'd say the naff artistic sensibility is closer to that of John Doe.
Hi All, Writing about JR's latest hand-finished prints: Les Enfants d'Ouranos, Lune, 2023 Dimensions: 57 x 47 x 4 cm - 22.4 x 18.5 x 1.6 inches approx. Technique: 2 colors lithograph with multiple black layers printed on Marinoni machine & manual collage Paper: White paper BFK Rives - 300 grammes Numbered /50 on the bottom left corner Signed by JR on the bottom right corner (embossed and lead) Lithograph sold framed Release prince: €3,800 (Sold out on JR's website) Did some of you manage to cop it? If this was guess the artist, JR wouldn't have made my list. Icy and Sot? JR is occasionally prone to releasing this kind of insipid, rather mawkish imagery. Unfortunate, in my view, as if aiming for mass-market appeal. In other words, lowest common denominator. And suitable for high street galleries or Athena-style poster shops. Icy and Sot previously also indulged in soppiness, especially with their frequent, clichéd use of children as subject matters. But their more recent work has been of greater interest — significantly stronger and more mature (in particular, their conceptually-simple sculptures and installations). In this instance with Les Enfants d'Ouranos, Lune, I'd say the naff artistic sensibility is closer to that of John Doe.
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Banksy stamp & Invader Giveaway, by met on Apr 26, 2023 10:53:39 GMT 1, That's really awesome Street Arted 2020 ! My daughters (9 and 10) recently started an art collection; they only have a few small pieces so these would make a great addition. PS: I’ll share their instagram account on the forum soon, cause I know they'd love it when some ‘fellow art collectors’ would follow their art account. 👍👍👍
A few years ago, I promoted* a January 2019 exchange between Joe Rogan and Jonathan Haidt, which I felt was fascinating, informative and insightful.
Sadly, the full podcast is no longer available on YouTube. But it does remain accessible to anyone willing to open a free account on Spotify.
I would continue to highly recommend that episode:
The Joe Rogan Experience - #1221 - Jonathan Haidt (2:05:11)
open.spotify.com/episode/40C1TzeSXuEnqQomY8ayQW
Jonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. He's also the author of books such as "The Happiness Hypothesis" and "The Coddling of the American Mind".
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Many people will lack the inclination to invest two hours of their time.
And for them, I would suggest they check out some of the five or so extracts of the podcast on YouTube (uploaded by JRE Clips). These shorter clips are good tasters of the full podcast.
Below is one covering the impact of social media on the mental health of youngsters. Of particular interest to me were the startling differences in levels of harm between:
(i) girls vs boys; and
(ii) preteens and young teenagers (primary and middle school) vs older teenagers and young adults (high school and college).
Joe Rogan & Jonathan Haidt - Social Media is Giving Kids Anxiety (21:09) - uploaded by JRE Clips on 7 January 2019
That's really awesome Street Arted 2020 ! My daughters (9 and 10) recently started an art collection; they only have a few small pieces so these would make a great addition. PS: I’ll share their instagram account on the forum soon, cause I know they'd love it when some ‘fellow art collectors’ would follow their art account. 👍👍👍 A few years ago, I promoted * a January 2019 exchange between Joe Rogan and Jonathan Haidt, which I felt was fascinating, informative and insightful. Sadly, the full podcast is no longer available on You Tube. But it does remain accessible to anyone willing to open a free account on Spotify. I would continue to highly recommend that episode: The Joe Rogan Experience - #1221 - Jonathan Haidt (2:05:11)open.spotify.com/episode/40C1TzeSXuEnqQomY8ayQWJonathan Haidt is a social psychologist and Professor of Ethical Leadership at New York University's Stern School of Business. He's also the author of books such as "The Happiness Hypothesis" and "The Coddling of the American Mind".__________ Many people will lack the inclination to invest two hours of their time. And for them, I would suggest they check out some of the five or so extracts of the podcast on You Tube (uploaded by JRE Clips). These shorter clips are good tasters of the full podcast. Below is one covering the impact of social media on the mental health of youngsters. Of particular interest to me were the startling differences in levels of harm between: (i) girls vs boys; and (ii) preteens and young teenagers (primary and middle school) vs older teenagers and young adults (high school and college). Joe Rogan & Jonathan Haidt - Social Media is Giving Kids Anxiety (21:09)- uploaded by JRE Clips on 7 January 2019
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